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Q4 2020 Earnings Call· Thu, Feb 11, 2021

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Operator

Operator

Hello, and welcome to the Q4 2020 American Assets Trust, Inc., Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions]. It is now my pleasure to turn the call over to your host for today, Mr. Adam Wyll, EVP and Chief Operating Officer. Sir, the floor is yours.

Adam Wyll

Analyst

Thank you. Good morning, everyone. Welcome to American Assets Trust, Inc.'s Fourth Quarter and Year-end 2020 Earnings Call. Yesterday afternoon, our earnings release and supplemental information were furnished to the SEC on Form 8-K. Both are now available on the Investors section of our website, americanassetstrust.com. Telephonic replay and on-demand webcast will also be available for this call over the next week. During this call, we will discuss non-GAAP financial measures, which are reconciled to our GAAP financial results in our earnings release and supplemental information. We will also be making forward-looking statements based on our current expectations. These statements are subject to risks and uncertainties discussed in our SEC filings. You are cautioned not to place undue reliance on these forward-looking statements. Actual events could cause our results to differ materially from these forward-looking statements for a number of reasons, including uncertainty related to the scope, severity and duration of the COVID-19 pandemic on us and on our tenants. With that, I'll turn the call over to Ernest Rady, our Chairman and CEO, to begin the discussion of our fourth quarter and year-end 2020 results. Ernest?

Ernest Rady

Analyst

Thanks, Adam. Great job. First and foremost, I would like to wish all our stakeholders and their loved ones continued health and safety during these truly unprecedented times. Now that people are starting to get vaccinated, we are optimistic and even hopeful that eventually this pandemic will no longer be a threat. Lives will return to some kind of normalcy, and the economy will recover. However, at the present time, this pandemic continues to create challenges within our portfolio, particularly for our 3 theaters, gyms and our Waikiki Beach Walk properties. As most of you know, all of our properties in Hawaii are own, fee simple and are very valuable. We have a strong view that post pandemic, Waikiki will return to normal with pent-up tourism returning and every night being like a Friday night. While this pandemic still remains a threat, we believe we are well prepared to endure a prolonged pandemic with our irreplaceable portfolio, our best-in-class operating platform, our top-notch management team, our disciplined financial strength and a very strong balance sheet. In such regard, I am extremely proud to announce that our inaugural public offering, which we closed on January 26, 2021. The offering consists of $500 million of 3.375% senior unsecured notes due 2031, and by the way it was oversubscribed 4x. This bond offering provides substantial liquidity staying power and provided for the repayment of $200 million -- $250 million of debt and provides all funds needed for the development of La Jolla Commons III, which we plan to break ground this April. Success and demand of this bond offering in the midst of a pandemic is truly a testament to our incredible properties, efficient operating platform and our top-notch management team. Bob will provide more financial details on the bond offering. Finally, I'd like to mention that the Board of Directors have approved a quarterly dividend of $0.28 for the first quarter, an increase of $0.03 from our previous dividend, which we believe is supported by our collection efforts in the fourth quarter and is an expression of our Board's confidence in the embedded growth of our portfolio that we believe will recover post pandemic. And Bob, Adam and Steve will go into more detail on our various asset segments and financial results. And I will be available for any questions you may have at the conclusion of our prepared remarks. I'm now going to turn the call back over to Adam. Adam, please.

Adam Wyll

Analyst

Thanks, Ernest. Good job. We remain optimistic...

Ernest Rady

Analyst

We were mutually cooperative.

Adam Wyll

Analyst

We remain optimistic with the overall performance of our portfolio, even in light of the pandemic, and we are pleased to report that 100% of our properties are currently open and accessible by our tenants in each of our markets. Of course, we too have felt the bumps along road, like everyone else in our sectors, yet our collections of monthly recurring billings due continue to improve in Q4 over Q3 and Q3 over Q2, with total collections to date of approximately 92% in Q4 versus 90% in Q3 and 87% in Q2. January is currently trending consistent with Q4, just over 91% to date, and likely to increase further, all despite the headwinds of Governor Newsom's shutdown restrictions in California that lasted through most of December and January. Collections for essential tenants in our retail portfolio, which represent approximately 1/3 of retail billed rents, were almost 100% in Q3 and Q4. And collections for nonessential tenants continue to improve from 69% in Q3 to over 74% in Q4. Of note, no tenant in our retail portfolio represents more than 2% of our ABR, and less than 6% of our retail portfolio is due to expire in 2021, assuming no exercise of lease options. And of the approximately 500 tenants in our retail portfolio, since the beginning of the pandemic, we have had 13 retailers file bankruptcy, covering 18 total tenant lease spaces, of which 13 spaces have been assumed or are in the process of being assumed in bankruptcy, which we believe is a testament to us having superior locations that these restructured tenants want to remain in. Notably, the rejected leases to date were less than 13,000 square feet in the aggregate. As you would expect, our primary collection challenges remain in the retail segment with our movie…

Robert Barton

Analyst

Good morning, and thank you, Ernest and Adam. Last night, we reported fourth quarter and year ended 2020 FFO per share of $0.41 and $1.89, respectively, and fourth quarter and year ended 2020 net income attributable to common stockholders per share of $0.05 and $0.46, respectively. The lower FFO in the fourth quarter, which is approximately $0.05 lower than the Bloomberg consensus is primarily the result of additional reserves for theaters, gyms and Waikiki Beach Walk Retail. Nevertheless, we remain optimistic of this portfolio even in light of the pandemic. The highlights of this quarter are: one, we have ample liquidity. As Ernest previously mentioned, we recently completed our inaugural public bond offering. In the midst of this unprecedented pandemic, we closed on $500 million of 3.375% 10-year senior unsecured notes. With the proceeds from the offering, we repaid $150 million senior guaranteed note Series A and repaid the $100 million outstanding on a revolving line of credit. We expect to use the remaining $236 million of proceeds to fund our La Jolla Commons III development in the UTC submarket of San Diego, as well as continue our renovation of One Beach Street in San Francisco, with the remaining amounts for general corporate purposes and potential accretive acquisition opportunities. At the beginning of this week, we had approximately $380 million of cash on the balance sheet with 0 outstanding on our $350 million line of credit. We chose to access the public debt markets now because of the low treasury yield and strength of the credit markets that we have been seeing during this pandemic. We had the ability to access the public debt market several years prior to this, but we weren't ready to commit to being a regular issuer on a frequent basis until now. What's changed is…

Steve Center

Analyst

Thanks, Bob. At the end of the fourth quarter, net of One Beach, which is under redevelopment, our office portfolio stood at approximately 95% leased, with just under 5% expiring through the end of 2021. Our top 10 office tenants represent 51.5% of our total office-based rent. Given the quality of our assets and the strength of the markets in which they are located, with technology and life sciences the key market drivers, we continue to execute leases at favorable rental rates, delivering continued NOI growth in our office segment even in this challenging environment. The weighted average base rent increase for the 7 renewals completed during the fourth quarter was 5%. With leases already signed, we have locked in approximately $24 million of NOI growth in our office segment, comprised of approximately $14 million in 2021 and $10 million in 2022. We anticipate additional NOI growth in 2022 and 2023 through the redevelopment and leasing of 102,000 rentable square feet at One Beach Street in San Francisco and 33,000 rentable square feet at 710 Oregon Square in the Lloyd submarket of Portland. With the recent entitlements for 2 blocks at Oregon Square in Portland, we can add up to an additional 555,000 rentable square feet to the portfolio. However, we continue evaluating market conditions and prospective tenant interest before commencing development of that project. In the next few months, we will commence construction of Tower 3 at La Jolla Commons, a 213,000 rentable square foot, 11-story Class A plus office tower in the UTC submarket of San Diego. With expected completion in Q2 or Q3 of 2023, La Jolla Commons Tower 3 will grow our office portfolio by 6.1%. We're moving forward because we believe in the long-term fundamentals of the market, especially in UTC. Direct vacancy remains low…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. Your first question comes from the line of Craig Schmidt from Bank of America.

Craig Schmidt

Analyst

I'm wondering what does the retail leasing pipeline look like heading into 2021? And what do you think you'll do relative to the 303,000 you leased in 2020?

Ernest Rady

Analyst

Chris, can you answer that?

Christopher Sullivan

Analyst

Yes.

Ernest Rady

Analyst

I know it's not as -- the pipeline is not as barren as the press says, but certainly it's not as billions and -- as we'd like.

Christopher Sullivan

Analyst

Yes. Craig, can you repeat the second half of your question? You had a number there. You said 300,000?

Craig Schmidt

Analyst

Yes. I had 303,000 total retail square foot leased in 2020.

Christopher Sullivan

Analyst

All right. I was thinking you were referring to the roll that is going to -- that comes up through 2021. From a pipeline standpoint, you're starting to see retailers pop their heads back out. So given your activity started picking up a little bit in Q4, and it's continuing to roll some momentum coming into first quarter of 2021. I can't give you the exact number, but I'm way more bullish that they're starting to look around. I'm starting to do tours. Again, the phones are ringing with more activity. And then of course as for the roll of our renewals coming up, I think the majority of those will probably get renewed. As Bob said earlier, I think we really hit the trough in Q4. There's still some turbulence ahead. But spring is coming, and you're starting to see talk of going back to school, vaccines are coming and retailers are getting more optimistic.

Craig Schmidt

Analyst

Great. And then the trend of leasing spreads turned negative in the fourth quarter, but it sounds like you're going to -- you'll see a more positive results on leasing spreads in '21?

Christopher Sullivan

Analyst

Craig, I hope so. It's combat leasing from what I can tell you. The retailers, I don't know when the last time you bought a new suit was or any of us, but the retailers are still having their troubles in quite a few categories. So I don't want to lean to tell you that I'm going to be seeing rates come up. Some situations, it's a balancing act between occupancy and rate. And I'm always a fan of let's be there to fight another battle.

Ernest Rady

Analyst

It's hand-to-hand combat, Craig, and the retailers at the moment have the upper hand. I think that the biggest cost in real estate is vacancy, and we're going to focus on keeping our properties well occupied as possible, particularly as we come out of this difficult pandemic.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Haendel St. Juste from Mizuho.

Haendel St. Juste

Analyst

Ernest, a question for you, I guess on the dividend. I guess we're all -- some of us are scratching our head here on why you're raising the dividend now versus maybe saving the cash and delevering a bit more, your leverage is above 7x? I understand the higher collections and confidence, but there's still a lot of uncertainty, spreads are under a bit of pressure, it sounds, Hawaii seems like it's going to be soft good near term. So I guess why not hold off a bit and delever a bit more?

Ernest Rady

Analyst

Haendel, that's a very good question. I suggested to the Board that to increase the dividend $0.01 or $0.02 to indicate that we have confidence in the quality of our portfolio, our financial position and our management. They felt that I was underestimating all those three, and they added another $0.01. So the Board made that decision independently. And I think they were fine. I mean we've differed by $0.01, but not much more. I think that -- this is going to be a significant recovery once we get a vaccine.

Robert Barton

Analyst

Yes. Haendel, let me just add to that, is -- it's -- the methodology is also consistent with our collections. And we try to stay consistent on that or the Board try to stay consistent on that. And from -- the other thing is -- as we mentioned, is that we believe that Q4 is the bottom or if not close to the bottom. And what's changed is also too is that people are starting to get vaccines. So there's a lot more data points out there. And we think -- the Board thought that this is the right thing to do.

Haendel St. Juste

Analyst

Thanks for that, Bob. Maybe as an add-on for you. You mentioned the mid-5x debt-to-EBITDA as a long-term target. Curious on when do you think we'll get there? And do we start to see some inflection here in the next quarter or 2? The last couple of quarters, you've been trending up. So just curious on some perspective on reaching that long-term mid-size target?

Ernest Rady

Analyst

He wants to know when you're going to hit 5.5x. You said you'd like to get there and he wants a time frame.

Robert Barton

Analyst

Okay. Well, thanks for that question, Haendel.

Ernest Rady

Analyst

I get paid extra for being an interpreter.

Robert Barton

Analyst

Well, Haendel, that's why we also set a framework on how to think about the portfolio. I can't tell you what that percentage is for the second half of this year. But our view or my particular view would be -- is that once everybody in America is vaccinated or want to be vaccinated, and we get that herd immunity, it gives us approximately 12 months from that period of time, and I think we will trend back down to that 5.5x. Based on the growth, based on -- I mean think about how much we've lost out of Embassy and Waikiki Beach Walk Retail. I mean both of those -- each of those, the retail -- the Waikiki Beach Walk Retail and the Embassy are anywhere from $12 million to $14 million each of cash NOI. So that's probably about $0.14 each of them for additional FFO. So let us rebound. I mean let us get to the vaccine, get me to that point and give us 12 months.

Ernest Rady

Analyst

You have no idea how focused he is on 5.5x. I say good morning, Bob. He replies, 5.5.

Haendel St. Juste

Analyst

And then on Hawaii, I guess, what are you hearing for tourism expectations for this year? Obviously, there's lots of uncertainty. But I guess, what's the latest? Any stats from the tourism board? Or anything that you could put some numbers around to help us understand perhaps what the expectation is?

Ernest Rady

Analyst

I don't think we could tell you anything which you could take to the bank. It's just so uncertain. On the other hand, the direction seems to be right with vaccines become available. I feel strongly that there is a pent-up demand for Americans to travel. And many of us have the resources to travel. We've been pent-up for this last 9 months. And once we get out of home, we're going to travel. So I think -- I don't know how and I don't know when, but I expect it's coming.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Rich Hill from Morgan Stanley.

Richard Hill

Analyst

Ernest, I'm really curious about where you're going to go first when the world does reopen, but we can have that conversation off-line. Bob, I do have some questions for you. I appreciate the guidance or the nonguidance guidance, is that the way we're supposed to call it, Bob?

Robert Barton

Analyst

Yes.

Richard Hill

Analyst

As you think about 2021, it occurs to us that there's a lot of noise on straight-line rents and abatements. 4Q is a miss versus our numbers was almost all straight-line rents. So as you think about the leasing environment in 2021, and I appreciate the guidance about how we should think about the velocity in 1Q, 2Q, 3Q and 4Q. But can you maybe talk about what -- are all the abatements supposed to go away or all the deferrals supposed to go away? How are you thinking about that as you negotiate with retailers or retailers and office tenants for that matter?

Robert Barton

Analyst

Well, I think here, I'll try to answer that. I mean I think what is out there in terms of straight-line, in terms of deferred rents, we expect to collect those to the extent that we don't collect them or we don't think that we're 75% or more confident that we're going to collect them, we'll put a reserve up. But right now, I mean we're still confident on what remains on the books in terms of collecting those in 2021. We're hopeful. And I think everybody in the real estate industry is hopeful that once this vaccine comes together, you will start seeing the retail to start opening. And you'll start seeing the companies and the tenants that we do have straight-line rent across pursuing their growth in their companies that we've tried to nurse through this ugly pandemic. So we're still confident on what we got.

Richard Hill

Analyst

Got it. So it sounds like 1Q and 2Q are going to be still a little bit messy, hand-to-hand combat, but then the world get back to normal from an abatement and deferral standpoint and rent growth standpoint thereafter. Is that a right characterization?

Robert Barton

Analyst

That would be my perspective where I stand today. That's our best guesstimate. And we think with the amount of vaccines that are being disseminated across at this point in time, I think Ernest had his second shot this last weekend.

Ernest Rady

Analyst

I've been hugging everybody.

Robert Barton

Analyst

That this world -- this pandemic will ultimately come to an end, and things will get better.

Unidentified Company Representative

Analyst

From both your lips to God's ears, let's make it happen.

Richard Hill

Analyst

Yes. So Steve, one quick question for you. I'm nitpicking here, but it looks like occupancy maybe declined slightly for La Jolla and One Beach, if I was looking at it correctly. Again, very, very slightly. Could you just maybe go into a little bit more detail on any quarter-over-quarter change in demand that you're seeing on those two properties?

Steve Center

Analyst

That wasn't One Beach. So I want to think about -- One Beach is kind of off-line right now as we redevelop it. But in UTC, we had TriNet who had subleased their space, move out of a 6,000 foot space. That was the blip there, if you will. But we successfully renewed other tenants. It's smaller tenants now in that building. So we've been really successful holding rates. There's no COVID discount. We've been more flexible on lease term, with smaller tenants who are uncertain about their future. I mean I've got an engineering firm that's got 3 people over 65. And so they're kind of -- I don't know that I can commit long-term right now. Fortunately, as we pointed out on the call, we've got -- about 51.5% of our tenants are our top 10 and very stable. Furthermore, they continue to grow. I mean, VMware, they're coming up 1 -- they've got 35,000 feet rolling next year. And we're already in discussions about trying to find another full floor for them in the building as well as talking renewal. So we're fortunate in that regard. I don't know about the other property. And then here in Del Mar Heights, we've strategically let a couple of smaller tenants roll to aggregate bigger blocks of space. So that's being smart about commodity space versus big blocks, which are scarce, we're going to get premium rents for. So the blip that you saw -- I mean there is some softness due to COVID, clearly. I mentioned the engineering firm. Our teams are doing a great job of taking care of our tenants. They want to stay with us. Some just say, I don't need 5,000 feet, I need 3,000. And if we're able to accommodate them and keep our…

Richard Hill

Analyst

Got it. That's helpful.

Robert Barton

Analyst

One Beach, to make it clear, we emptied it so that we could reposition it.

Richard Hill

Analyst

Okay. I'll go back and look at the disclosure. Bob, just one more question for me. Given that you're guiding without guiding, can you talk about 2022 a little bit? And is it just going to be back to -- I actually don't -- I'm not sure the market even cares about 2021 at this point. Is 2022 business as usual and all the plans that we were previously discussing this time last year fully intact?

Robert Barton

Analyst

Yes. Nothing's changed on that. I mean we still expect our cash NOI to increase in the office sector by, I think, $12 million in '21, $13 million in '22. And we're just -- as we begin our development on La Jolla Commons III, which should conclude -- should be completed by the end of '23, I see a big pickup after that. And One Beach, One Beach should be finished by the end of '22. So what we're doing is we're taking advantage of the opportunities that currently exist within our own portfolio. We don't need any acquisitions to create value at this point in time. We're always looking. But we have plenty just within our home portfolio to create significant value.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Todd Thomas from KeyBanc Capital Market.

Todd Thomas

Analyst

The first question just around the color in detail for '21 and '22. Bob, appreciate those comments. And you mentioned that 4Q would likely be the bottom or close to the bottom. Is that inclusive of the $0.05 make-whole that will be recognized in the first quarter? Meaning that excluding that make-whole, you would expect to be at around $0.46 as sort of a baseline, is that the right way to think about it?

Robert Barton

Analyst

Yes, that is. I mean -- so $0.41 does not include the make-whole. So that's -- so if you continue that, based on my comments, you would say, start with $0.41 in Q1. From that, you would deduct $0.05 for that make-whole and add -- and deduct another $0.03 for incremental interest expense in Q1. So on the script that we just shared with you, it will give you a road map on how we -- a road map for a framework on how I think or we think that you can view '21. And then in the second half of that, you make your own assessment or determine what you think the percentage should be on the pickup in that. But keep in mind, of that $0.41 for Q4 that I'm suggesting we start with in Q1, that includes $0.10 of reserves, $7.6 million of reserves in the fourth quarter. So as you start the second half, is that really going to happen? I don't think so.

Todd Thomas

Analyst

Okay. Got it. So $0.41 goes to $0.36 with the make-whole in the first quarter less some incremental interest expense, and then you'd expect to build back throughout the year, obviously, adjusting for the $0.05 make-whole?

Robert Barton

Analyst

Yes. Yes.

Todd Thomas

Analyst

All right. That's helpful.

Robert Barton

Analyst

And then if you get -- if you have any questions of, please feel free to reach out.

Todd Thomas

Analyst

Sure. I appreciate that. And then Steve or Bob, maybe regarding the $24 million of office cash NOI that's locked in, that's expected to commence during '21 and '22. How much of that is being straight-line today versus what has yet to commence for FFO purposes on a GAAP basis?

Robert Barton

Analyst

Yes. I don't have that in front of me. But really, that's been included in our presentation in terms of that -- the cash NOI growth. And really what we're showing is the growth in that FAD. And that obviously will drop on down and, obviously, has to be adjusted for anything related to the straight-line on that. But I don't have the exact number on that.

Todd Thomas

Analyst

Okay. And in terms of the $14 million in '21, what's kind of the cadence sort of quarterly? How should we think about the timing of the cash commencements throughout the year?

Robert Barton

Analyst

Well, in Q1 and Q2, we have big TIs going out. We have probably $25 million of TIs related to large tenants up in Landmark. So it will probably be more in the second half of the year.

Todd Thomas

Analyst

Okay. And then with -- at the multifamily assets, so it sounds like you saw a bounce in occupancy in January at Hassalo. Can you just talk a little bit about the pricing strategy there and use of concessions? And maybe provide some color on leasing activity in general. It sounds like you're -- it seems like you're holding rates in anticipation of a further return in demand. Just curious if you could sort of talk about Hassalo a little bit and the Portland assets?

Ernest Rady

Analyst

Yes. As Steve pointed out, our office portfolio in Portland is excellent. Our portfolio of residential is we had a management issue, which we've now taken care of. So it's too early to say how much of a recovery we're going to make. But the early indications, as Bob pointed out in his report, is that we're leasing up. The biggest cost in real estate is vacancy. So we may do some things in the short run to increase our occupancy and eliminate some of the vacancy. So I don't know how to answer that question properly. It's too early to say, but we'll make it work. I'll tell you that.

Todd Thomas

Analyst

Okay. And can you share what the occupancy build looked like in January?

Ernest Rady

Analyst

Do we have that?

Robert Barton

Analyst

I don't...

Ernest Rady

Analyst

I think we went from 75% to 85% or 87% occupancy, not that much...

Robert Barton

Analyst

Low 80s.

Unidentified Company Representative

Analyst

Low 80s.

Ernest Rady

Analyst

So I mean, yes, we don't have that right in front of us.

Unidentified Company Representative

Analyst

But we turned the corner. We're in an upward trajectory.

Todd Thomas

Analyst

Okay. Got it. And just one last one, if I could, on the master lease at Loma Palisades and Pacific Ridge. Can you just remind us when that expires? And do you expect the school to re-up and renew that master lease? Or -- what do you expect to happen there?

Robert Barton

Analyst

I don't know that we have an expectation. We're certainly working on it. Abigail, do you want to say something, when it expires?

Abigail Rex

Analyst

So that master lease for both Pacific Ridge and Loma expires on May 31 of this year.

Ernest Rady

Analyst

And have you had any discussions about renewing it? Or is that still off the table?

Abigail Rex

Analyst

So off the table. We all hope that with the vaccine, students will be able to return to school in the fall. And that is the hope, I think, of every university. We'll just have to play it by ear and to hope that there's a renewal or that there's further partnership. But I don't have any further information at this current moment.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Daniel Ismail from Green Street.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

This is Dillon on for Danny. Just a few questions on the development of one Landmark. You guys mentioned, I think, starting that sometime in the next few months. Are you guys -- is that subject to a pre-lease? Are you guys willing to start that on stack?

Ernest Rady

Analyst

Which one?

Unidentified Company Representative

Analyst

One Beach probably.

Ernest Rady

Analyst

Are you talking about One Beach or La Jolla Commons down in UTC?

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Sorry, La Jolla Commons.

Ernest Rady

Analyst

There's no pre-leasing. I had lunch yesterday with one of the senior partners in the law firm and they were considering that site, and they weren't sure if we'd start. There's never been pre-leasing in San Diego. So we have a couple of years to build it. During that time, we hope the market recovers. It's a very strong market. And that's kind of the story.

Robert Barton

Analyst

We're going.

Unidentified Company Representative

Analyst

Yes. Danny, I think Steve's comments that he shared are very strong reasons why we should pursue that without any pre-lease. For instance, on 2 remaining lots in Oregon Square, that's not a -- that is something that you would want to pre-lease.

Ernest Rady

Analyst

That you would want to rebuild. You wouldn't go...

Unidentified Company Representative

Analyst

You wouldn't go -- yes -- you [indiscernible]. Correct. Yes. Thank you. That you'd want to get a tenant before you build that. Like Ernest said, in UTC and for what Steve's comments were, those are all the comments why you would want to go forward without a tenant at this point in time. Obviously, you would love to have a tenant. But by the time you finish, that's going to be an even stronger market than it is today.

Ernest Rady

Analyst

And we've used this time to buy the project out and I think we've had some savings that we would not have had if we were trying to build it a year from now.

Robert Barton

Analyst

So we are going.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Perfect. That all makes sense. And then just kind of as a follow-up to that. I think our math where implies $80 rent a square foot at that property? Is that -- I guess, a, is that accurate? And b, how does that compare to where you guys signed the Illumina lease back in, I think, late '19 when you guys initially acquired those properties over there?

Steve Center

Analyst

Rents for new product are much higher. We're in the high 4s, triple net with $1.70 expenses. I'm talking on a monthly basis. I haven't converted to a gross per annual, but the Illumina lease started at $490 full-service and has 3% annual bump. So -- and that -- the rents I just mentioned -- the triple net rents I just mentioned are affirmed by two recent deals, one in June and one December for deals in new product. So that's today's rents, and that's what we put in the pro forma, and we'll see how the market goes, but we're bullish.

Ernest Rady

Analyst

Bullish, and we're also praying that the economy recovers. And -- but in the short run, the leasing is less certain than we'd like. In the long run, it's a giant win. It's a great location, great property.

Operator

Operator

And I show no further questions at this time. I will now turn the call to Mr. Ernest Rady for any closing remarks.

Ernest Rady

Analyst

Guys, thanks for all those great questions. I hope you're all able to get a vaccine as quickly as possible so that we can all end this distance of interacting, and we can all get together. I miss you all. I hope to work with you again as quickly as possible. And thank you for your interest in our great company.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today's conference. We thank you for your participation. You may now all disconnect.