Good day, ladies and gentlemen and welcome to the Axcelis Technologies’ Call to discuss the Company’s Results for the Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2024. My name is Deedee, and I will be your coordinator for today. I would now like to turn the presentation over to your host for today’s call, David Ryzhik, Senior Vice President of Investor Relations and Corporate Strategy.

Thank you, operator. This is David Ryzhik, Senior Vice President of Investor Relations and Corporate Strategy. And, with me today is Russell Low, President and CEO; and Jamie Coogan, Executive Vice President and CFO. If you have not seen a copy of our press release issued yesterday, it is available on our website. In addition, we have prepared slides accompanying today’s call, and you can find those on our website as well. Playback service will also be available on our website as described in our press release. Please note that comments made today about our expectations for future revenues, profits, and other results are forward-looking statements under the SEC’s Safe Harbor provision. These forward-looking statements are based on management’s current expectations and are subject to the risks inherent in our business. These risks are described in detail in our Form 10-K Annual Report and other SEC filings, which we urge you to review. Our actual results may differ materially from our current expectations. We do not assume any obligation to update these forward-looking statements. Now, I’ll turn the call over to our President and CEO, Russell Low. Russell?

Good morning and thank you for joining us for our fourth quarter and full year 2024 results earnings call. Beginning on Slide Number 3 we exited the year on a solid note with revenues for the fourth quarter at $252 million and earnings per diluted share of $1.54. Revenue was slightly better and our expectations and strong demand for our off the market CS&I sales partially offset the anticipated sequential declines in system sales. This strength in our CS&I business was the primary target behind our better than expected margins and EPS in the quarter. Within our system sales, a sequential decline in Power and Image Sensors was offset by an improvement in General Mature and Memory sales. Our backlog declined during the quarter, but remained at healthy levels. We also saw booking stabilized, which came in flat on a sequential basis. Turning to Slide 4, in the quarter as well as for the full year, sales in mature node applications remained a lion's share of our business in particular, Power and General Mature. Now let me review shipped systems revenue by end market, and I will begin with mature nodes on Slide 5. Revenues from our power market was 51% of our mix down sequentially from 57% in Q3 2024. Shipments of Silicon Carbide applications moderated slightly in the fourth quarter. However, on a full year 2024 basis, our system sales of Silicon Carbide grew approximately 6% year-over-year. Over the past several years, Axcelis has established itself as a market and technology leader in ion implantation for Silicon Carbide, one of the defining process steps in device manufacturing. We were first identified as emerging opportunity several years ago, and quickly leveraged our Purion platform to drive necessary innovation. This included the development of a differentiated medium current implanter, followed…

Thank you, Russell. And good morning, everyone. I'll first start with some additional detail on our fourth quarter and full year results before turning to our outlook for Q1. Starting on Slide 10, fourth quarter revenue was $252.4 million with systems revenue at $187.4 million and CS&I at $65 million. This was above our outlook, largely driven by better than expected CS&I sales. As a reminder, CS&I is driven by our installed base and represents consumables, spares, services, and upgrades. In the quarter, we saw stronger upgrade activity as customers are looking for ways to enhance their technology within the same factory footprint. We also executed well on service contracts. From a geographic perspective, China remained our strongest region at 49% of total shipped system sales with the sequential decline quarter-over-quarter, primarily due to an anticipated decline in Image Sensor following a large order in the third quarter, as well as a moderation in sales to the Power market. On the other hand, we saw system sales to Korea improved to 11% in the fourth quarter compared to only 1% in the third quarter, mainly due to improved shipments in memory. Bookings in the fourth quarter were $84.5 million or flat on a sequential basis, while backlog exiting the year was $646 million. On a full year basis, 2024 revenue totaled $1.02 billion, consisting of $783 million in systems revenue and $235 million in CS&I revenue. Turning to Slide 11 for additional detail on the fourth quarter and full year results, gross margins in the fourth quarter was 46%, which exceeded our outlook of 42.5%, driven primarily by stronger than expected CS&I revenue, which carries higher than corporate average margins. Operating expenses totaled $61.7 million, slightly above our outlook of $60 million, partly due to higher variable compensation associated with…

Thank you, Jamie. We exit 2024 on a strong note and a focus on capturing the growth opportunities that lie ahead. We're investing in innovation, managing our costs, and working closely with customers on their technology roadmaps, which we believe will help us in an even stronger position for the next upturn. In closing, I want to thank our customers, employees, shareholders, and partners for their continued support and trust in Axcelis. With that, operator, we are ready to take your questions.

Thank you. [Operator Instructions]. Our first question comes from Charles Shi of Needham & Company. Your line is open.

Thanks. Hi, good morning. Maybe the first question, I want to get a sense of your assessment, slightly better second half for the year. I heard you are guiding, I mean, roughly speaking, flattish into Q2, but what are some of the factors you are seeing that could get your second half slightly higher than the first half? That's the first question. Thank you.

Yeah, hi, Charles. It's Russell. Thank you for your question. So, I think why do we believe the second half is going to be stronger than the first half? So this view is based on our backlog, our conversations with customers, and our own internal work. So, obviously we're continuing to monitor bookings for the course of the year. They seem to have actually stabilized, and I'd say at this stage of the quarter we're actually ahead of bookings compared to say Q4. So that's giving us some encouragement there. Each and every one of the tools in the forecast now actually belongs to a project, a customer project. So with the turn of the year, customers have put their budgets in place. They begin to formalize and stabilize their plans for the year, and that's allowing us to work with the customers to make sure we understand their shipping plans. So, I would say that we have fairly good confidence that the second half is going to be better than the first half.

Yeah, and just to add into that, although we're not giving specific revenue figures for 2025, Charles, and as I said in the prepared remarks we do expect a slight uptick in the second half of 2025, but again, all the factors Russell just mentioned, our backlog, the customer conversations, it doesn't take a whole lot of incremental systems for us to sort of be in and around that $800 million number for the full year period.

And then Charles, as you know, the secular drivers are still very much intact. This is a cycle, we've been through many, many cycles. So, we do expect the cycle to disappear, start to see growth again. And, we'd like to think that 2026 will be a growth year for us as well. So we'd like to see the second half of 2025 be better than the first half, and we'd like to see some of that strength continue into 2026.

Thanks for walking us through a few of the market assumptions behind the outlook. Maybe another question or maybe this is not a big part of the business. I do want to ask about memory. Sounds like you guys still think vast majority of the memory revenue in 2025 is going to come from DRAM, but over the course of the last couple of weeks, we did hear a little bit more positive commentary from some of your peers on NAND side of the spending, but sounds like you're not expecting a pickup in NAND. Wonder if this is still a difference between Greenfield versus Node upgrade, or maybe there's some hope or maybe at some point you're going to see some upside in NAND, I just want to get your thoughts on that?

Right. So we do believe that NAND is still going to be very muted in 2025. So yes, you're correct. What we're seeing in 2025, which we are seeing an improved memory situation in 2025 relative to 2024, albeit 2024 is a low base. Thinking specifically about NAND, we only sell more implanters to memory in general, both DRAM and NAND when they expand the number of wafers out. So if they change the technology node, and in terms of NAND they put more and more layers on, that might be great for depth and edge. It's not really helping the number of wafers out. So right now I'd say that, customers in the quiet times, they use that time to do node changes, and those node changes may drive some revenue to our peers. But until we start to see more capacity, and bear in mind, a lot of these customers do have actually capacity planned, but until they start filling those new factories, we won't start to see the benefits of that.

Got it. Maybe a last question about export control. I recognize some of the expected China weakness, probably has very little to do with export control, but you are actually seeing potentially the impact that could be at low end, of your previously guided range. Wonder what's the reason for that, and what do you see, why you feel like you are able to actually ship some of the -- I don't know if it's a product or a service, but that you are able to sell a little bit more than you thought?

Yeah, no, Charles, thanks for the question on that. In the 8K that we prepared, we ultimately -- that was a preliminary estimate based on our review of the rules. And added an abundance of caution, we included some system shipments in that number to build us up to the high end. So you may recall the low end represented, sort of the CS&I impact and the high end included some incremental systems, that could be at risk based on the interpretation of the rules. Since then we've received some incremental, information and data, that provides confidence in our ability, to be able to deliver on those system shipments, which is why we're now predicting, the impact to be closer to the low end of that range, and that low end of the range, has already been baked into our guidance for the full year.

Thank you.

Thank you. Our next question comes from Craig Ellis with B. Riley Securities, your line is open.

Yeah, thanks for taking the question, and congratulations on 2024's gross margin performance guys. I wanted to start, just focused on some of the near term dynamics. So, what are the things that, you're seeing in the business that might indicate that the first quarter would be a bottom for the digestion, that's occurring and alternatively, what might be indicating that, that may play out more in the second quarter and related to digestion, since Power and General Mature, digestion is mostly in China. Does that mean there are some more positive things going on in other geos or just an easier base coming off of the second half of last year?

Hey Craig, thanks for the question. So, I think we've said that, we believe the first half will be lower than the second half. We haven't kind of broken it down into quarters at this point. We do think that, obviously there's a lot of digestion in Mature Technologies in China. That digestion isn't necessarily, just over supply, in some cases, it's getting to grips with the technology, ramping and making sure the yield holds together. So as you know, China certainly has ambitions to be very self-sufficient, they're not close to that at this stage, so I think right now really, it's all about kind of getting the technology under control before ramping. And outside of China, I'd say that, we have, it's been resilient, let's say, I'd say that we do see, a business outside of China, still actually holding together for 2025, and obviously you've heard about automotive, and in general IGBTs have been very soft, but I'd say, in general, we're actually seeing positive spots from the U.S., from Europe, from Korea, and other locations.

Yeah, just to add into that right, I guess each of the, based on our customer conversations and what we're hearing right, each of them are in a different point in their investment cycle, Craig and so get some who are continuing to push ahead, and we think about this in the vein of Silicon Carbide, right, that we still have customers outside of China who are pushing ahead with their investments, and building out capacity. We have others who are being a little bit more cautious, in the spend of those CAPEX dollars in 2025. But that mix as you noted, relative to where we were in 2024, 2025 outside of China is still going to be relatively resilient as Russell noted. We are seeing a bit of weakness in that Silicon IGBT market, and so I think that the level of digestion there is a little bit greater in the Silicon IGBT space. A smaller portion of the business for us coming into 2025, relative to where we had been historically. And then generally speaking memory is again, looks like there's some again continued uptick relative to where we were in 2024. We do expect memory, specifically in DRAM to be good for us.

Yeah, and just kind of going to build on that, so we mentioned IGBT power is down, so when we look at Power business, in 2024 we were up in Silicon Carbide relative to 2023. And even into 2025 we believe that it's still going to be a resilient market for us. So, it's the Silicon IGBT bit that is soft, the Silicon Carbide part it seems to be remaining resilient, for us.

That's really helpful color guys. And then Jamie, I wanted to follow up with some of the full year color that was provided on the shape of potential revenues to see if you could provide some color not precise guidance, but some color on what the contours of gross margin and OPEX would look like, especially on the former, does it look like 2025 can be a year where the business realizes, another material gain in gross margin year-on-year? Thank you.

Yes. So coming into the quarter, we expect gross margins to be at the low point in Q1 here. There's some cost absorption flowing through as well as mix within the period and a little bit lower CS&I as we saw some nice volumes in CS&I in the fourth quarter, Craig, specifically in the upgrade space as customers were going through and getting those throughput efficiencies and better utilizing the factory footprint they have. We -- that is not uncommon for us to see sort of a little bit of a tick up in the fourth quarter as folks are going through their budgets for the full year and trying to sort of clear some of those budgets out and then stock up on the shelf. So we're going to see a little bit of offset here in Q1 on lower CS&I mix. We are expecting memory to be a little bit higher in Q1 as well, which is going to add to some of that gross margin pressure. But ultimately, the team does a really nice job of trying to control costs relative to volume. And as those plans go into place and continue, we do expect the margins to uptick throughout the course of the year given the mix and the volume that we see in the back half of the year. On the OPEX front, right, I think it's important that we've talked about our capital allocation strategy a lot, and we've said time and again that our number one priority is organic growth and making sure that the business is positioned to be able to hit the long-term technology trends that our customers expect from us. So we're going to use 2025 really as an opportunity to continue to make those investments. And so OPEX is…

Thanks for the granularity on those guys.

Thank you. Our next question comes from Jed Dorsheimer of William Blair. Your line is open.

Hi, thanks for taking my questions. And I guess first one, if we look at the Silicon Carbide business and we look at it last year, roughly about 60 tools, that you guys did. As you're looking forward, is China still about half of -- or was China roughly half of that, I'm just trying to gauge as you look into 2025 the total exposure, I know you talked about the 8-K and around trade, but I'm looking in absolute terms what that exposure may look like? And then I have a follow-up.

Yeah, hey Jed, it's Russell. So just to kind of recap on Silicon Carbide. So we were up in 2024 relative to 2023. And we're basically saying we won't be down slightly in 2025, but it's like we say, it's still a robust business for us. I would say that we have exposure to every Silicon Carbide project globally. China is a piece of it. Obviously, it's a very important piece to it. But we don't necessarily break out our Silicon Carbide out of Power by region. What I would say is that when you talk about the export compliance issues, the most recent export compliance issues that were released on the 2nd of December, we have had the opportunity to have kind of a Q&A with the BIS guys to help clarify. And coming away from that it is very apparent that it's very similar to the previous administration and the continuation of the trend, which is 300-millimeter equipment going into advanced memory and Advanced Logic. So the Silicon Carbide business at this stage, we do not believe will be impacted by that. So the Silicon Carbide, like I've said, it obviously varies from customer to customer. We've talked about the low penetration of Silicon Carbide into EVs and the low penetration of EVs into the automotive industry. The Chinese definitely want to be self-sufficient. They do have some capacity. There's not a huge amount of capacity, and I think a lot of them are at the moment trying to optimize that architecture of the devices, they are looking to improve their yields. And I think you're going to see the digestion in Silicon Carbide that would occur in China is not necessarily because of oversupply, it might be the fact they haven't got the quality applications they're looking for qualified like automotive or they may not have got the yield and the processes fully run out.

That's helpful, Russell. Then just a two-part follow-up if you will. I guess and maybe for Jamie. What percentage of your backlog is secured by customer deposits? And then Russell, just as you mentioned, on some of the DRAM and Advanced Logic, is there a technology trend that you've developed that we should be aware of in medium current and in high current that positions Axcelis vis-a-vis the competition of what we saw with high energy for Silicon Carbide? Thanks.

Yes. Jed, thanks for the question on that. Again, I would say the majority of our backlog to new entrants into the market and new geographies into the space, that's where you're going to find our customer deposits as we sort of manage the collection risk associated with that. And the more traditional semiconductor customers that may be domestic or European-based, we're less likely to secure customer deposits on those, just given the long tenure of our relationships and the strength of their balance sheet that they have in place. We haven't broken out specifically that number to kind of give a frame of reference for that. But the backlog itself, I'd say it is not -- it is a smaller portion of the backlog than you would imagine all things being equal.

Hi Jed, so just to clarify, so you were talking about do we have a differentiation in our high current and medium current products that we believe will allow us to take market share in memory and logic, was that the crux of your question?

Yes. Your market share in high energy is materially different than medium current and high current. And so I'm just wondering, as you start focusing on these applications for medium and high current, has there been a recent development in the use of the linear accelerator, for example, something that differentiates you vis-a-vis the competition for those other applications?

Right, absolutely. So as far as logic, for example, you're absolutely right. It doesn't use high energy. It really is high current and medium current. The real opportunities are in high current. That's where a lot of the sales are. And I would say that the front end has as an established competitor there. So really, when we look at Advanced Logic, we're looking at new application in the middle of the line and the end of line. So think about the kind of applications that would have been in the old back end metallization, for example, backside power. So that's where we're looking to go, and a lot of that is material modification. So we are always looking to get very close to our customers, make sure we innovate with and solve their valuable problems, and that's exactly what we're doing. In addition, I should point out that not only are we working with our customers on Advanced Logic problems, but we're also working with a very advanced institute in Europe to work out what are going to be the next set of issues as the architectures change. So we're always looking to see an inflection point where we can take advantage of that. And we've said in the past, we do have architectural differentiation in our products. And in some cases, we've been able to take a really good advantage of that, like in our music technology, where that really is architecturally entitlement. Regarding memory, I think it's fair to say that the tool has been battle hardened for memory. And what you see for memory is a bunch of specific applications. And in many cases, what looks like dedication of species and our tool has been optimized to really perform well under those situations. So basically, since it's been battle tested and fielded, high current and actually medium current, but specifically high current we're now looking to fan that out to other customers who are in that same memory segment.

Thank you.

Thank you. Our next question comes from Jack Egan of Charter Equity Research. Your line is open.

Great, thanks for taking the questions. I was hoping you could go over the big increase in CS&I. I mean, 17% sequential growth is pretty big for that business. So, you mentioned that it was stronger upgrade activity and execution on some of your service contracts. Was that strength particularly pronounced in any end market or region?

Yes. No, I mean honestly, it was fairly broad-based in the fourth quarter. It was multiple customers across multiple regions where we saw the strength. I think we did see people taking advantage. We've talked a lot about how as our customers start to slow down, they try to find ways, they take advantage of these points to find ways to improve the efficiency and yield, and throughput of their devices and to optimize the current fab space that they're utilizing. And this is, I think, the yin and the yang to our business at the end of the day. We've increased the number of Purion products out into the field fairly materially over the last few years. The power of that installed base is what provides us the opportunity to take advantage of these cycles and our team goes in specifically targeting upgrades as we have them available. We focus on making sure that our research, development, and engineering team is working on differentiated upgrades that provide efficiencies to our customers into their fab space. And so I think that's kind of what we were seeing here in the fourth quarter as well as a little bit of the budgeting as we talked about before. Some of our fab partners and customers were looking through and working through their budget opportunities for the period. Going into 2025, we've got some relative expectations for upgrades throughout the course of the year, although we're not going to -- we don't -- are not currently forecasting the same level of upgrade activity in the first quarter of this year, which is why we are seeing a little bit of moderation in margin. Upgrades typically provide our highest margin relative to the consolidated average just given how valuable they can be to the customer at the end of the day.

Yes, just kind of follow on to that. This is a very focused strategy. We have been investing heavily in upgrades because it's a great opportunity for us. And the good thing about an upgrade is you get to sell it to the entire industry base. So -- and then obviously, we've been making progress on contracts as well as we try to look to kind of create an annuity stream of aftermarket.

Great. Yes, that's super helpful. And then on Silicon Carbide, where we're seeing more weakness crop up there, specifically like in the financial results of the device manufacturers. But you mentioned that Silicon Carbide is still generally pretty resilient and that I think you said it'd only be down a bit in 2025. But with that lower EV adoption and industrial demand kind of starting to flow through the financials for that industry, could that be kind of a risk to your guidance for the second half to be slightly better than the first half or is that largely contemplated in your guidance as it is today?

Yes. I think it's -- Jack, it's -- as we sit here and say, it's expectations relative today based on customer conversations, discussions, reviewing the current backlog as well as some of the bookings activity we've seen through the first quarter so far year-to-date. As Russell sort of said earlier, where we sit right now, we're a little bit of an encouraging sign, probably too early to call it a victory but encouraging signs relative to bookings where at the same point in the fourth quarter, we're ahead of our bookings rate in 2025, where we were at the same time in the Q4 time frame. As we think about Silicon Carbide broadly, right, I think what we are seeing is truly diversity in the way our customers are engaging with the product. So some of them align very well with their public commentary in terms of how they're thinking about making investments going over the course of 2025, whereas others again, not that they're not -- they're inconsistent, but they have a path in place to spend the CAPEX dollars and build out the capacity. And we see those in our expectations for 2025. So what I think helps us is we have a broad range of customers in the Silicon Carbide space. And we're not overly tied to one in particular customer in order for us to meet our financial results and objectives in the course of the year. And I think that is really what maybe differentiates the expectations of our performance relative to a single customer's expectations or public conduct.

I think that's exactly right. Each customer is slightly different. So you've got some that want to build ahead of demand, some that are optimizing their yield because they want to get into opportunities, some that are looking to gain market share, but it's difficult given the time it takes to get qualified. Some are taking the opportunity to transition to 200-millimeter, go to 400 to 800-volt architectures, which would be tranche and super junction. So a lot of customers are doing different things. So I would say that it is very customer specific.

Great, that’s super helpful. Thanks guys.

Thank you. Our next question comes from David Duley of Steelhead Securities. Your line is open.

Yeah, thanks for taking my questions. I guess, first, just a clarification. Can you help us with what Silicon Carbide revenue was in Q4 and for calendar 2024 dollar or percentage? And then as a follow-up...

As a percentage, this is Dave Ryzhik. Yes, it should be in the slide presentation, I think we can pull that up.

36% for the quarter and 41% for the full year for Silicon Carbide.

6% up year-over-year. Did that help you, Dave?

Yes, very much so. Do you expect the Silicon Carbide business to be part of the second half improvement or I was a little -- this is a follow-on to Charles' question is what exact geographic regions or is silicon carbide expected to be up in the second half of the calendar year?

Yes. So geography-wise, as we talked about, right, again we're very broad-based across the board in Silicon Carbide Dave. And so again, we are seeing digesting. We expect China to be a lower portion of our revenue base right across the entirety of the portfolio in 2025. And so there are strengths, there are other geographies that are having strength in the product offer to offset some of that. But we haven't given specific details on geographical expectations or anything like that.

But what we can tell you, Dave is now that things customers have worked at their plans for years, we are working very, very closely to them. We are looking at our bookings. We are looking at the forecast. And so we do know pretty much project by project where we believe these tools are going to go to. And yes, we've double, double check that the fab will be ready for the tools, etcetera. So this is -- and I'd say that we've talked about the first half being in China digestion. We've talked about us being very broad based on Silicon Carbide. And we've talked about outside of China, actually remaining relatively resilient, I'd say.

Yes. And just again, it's -- broadly speaking, it's going to be down year-on-year, but not as much as other parts of the mature book of business for us, Dave.

Yes, so General Mature is going to be down more and other Power stuff is going to be down more than SiC is your message?

Silicon Carbide.

Yes, that's correct.

And did you -- I'm sorry, you didn't -- you talked about not wanting to break things out in geographic regions. Do you expect Silicon Carbide to be up in the second half of the year, even though there is a digestion in the first half?

Yes. We're not going to get into that level of granularity just yet, Dave.

Okay, thanks.

Thank you. Our next question comes from Tom Diffely of D.A. Davidson Company. Your line is open.

Yes, good morning. And thanks for the question. Russell, I was hoping you could give us a little bit of an update on your plans to expand more into Japan in that geographic region?

Hey Tom, thanks for the question, and good morning. So yes, so Japan represents about $450 million in any given year. Our percentage of that is, as you know, sub-5%. So it's a really good opportunity for us. We've actually managed to make a bit of a beachhead there in Power and actually, in some other areas as well, but like Power has been a great opportunity. So obviously, the local vendors of our implantation have often had the lion's share of the business, they haven't innovated and moved forward as quickly. So sorry, as Japan got into a Power Silicon and Silicon Carbide. They were looking for the right equipment that you need to get into high volume, which is the whole portfolio. You can't just have a medium current machine need the high current and the high energy, and that's what we've been able to form in. And so now we're working with those customers, we are working on their road maps and making sure that we continue to expand in those applications of power. But obviously, it's not just power. I think it's interesting, we've just shipped a -- so I think in Q2, we mentioned we've got a system shipping into Japan for Advanced Logic. So that's all shipped in Q4, and we're now in discussions for actually follow-on businesses there as well. So naturally, we wanted to build our footprint through our strongest product. But as you know, once we get in with a product, we want to fan out the applications and bring the rest of our product portfolio through with us. So I think year-over-year, we're going to see a modest improvement in revenue in Japan, and this is what I consider to be the seeds. You want to get into these projects early in where it's a mini line. And then when that mini line start to ramp up, you want to make sure you get the volume there. So hopefully, that gives you a little bit more clarity there, Tom.

Yes. So is it safe to assume that both Japan and Advanced Logic are more of a 2026-2027 story?

I think -- so we haven't -- so when we built a $1.6 billion model back in the summer we did actually have -- we want to see secular growth in Silicon Carbide. We've talked about that, we want to see recovery in Memory and General Mature. When it came to Advanced Logic in Japan, we had modest numbers in the model for that in 2027. So you're going to see, again, a modest improvement year-over-year building towards a modest component in our $1.6 billion business. And remember, that $1.6 billion we're expecting, say, $400 million of that to be aftermarket. So really, we're looking to have a very modest amount of equipment in Advanced Logic, where we're selling seeds in Japan, where we're selling seeds as a component of that.

Great. And then just as a quick follow-up. Jamie, on the backlog side, have you seen an extension or expansion of the duration of your backlog and has anything fallen off the backlog?

So again, we see customer pushouts occur, right, and so these will be for purchase orders in backlog, Tom, and that was some of the activity that we saw between our third quarter call and fourth quarter call here was the customer request to push out some delivery dates and expectations. Not inconsistent with what our customers have said externally relative to their views on this. So yes, to some extent, there's a bit of extension of the duration in the backlog as a result of that.

But does the backlog represent the next 12 months or is it total backlog going forward?

Total backlog -- some of it goes to the first couple of quarters of 2026.

Okay, alright. Thank you.

Thank you. Our next question comes from Mark Miller of The Benchmark Company. Your line is open.

Thank you for the questions. I just had a question. You're projecting the significantly lower sales in the first quarter and OPEX is going to be somewhat higher. I'm just wondering if you can kind of break that down in terms of SG&A and R&D, what's going on there?

Yes. So as it relates to -- I think the general commentary is our view is to have to kind of -- in the first quarter, specifically, it's going to be relatively flat to what we saw with a slight uptick, just given the seasonal component of some of the way the expenses roll through and that impacts all the line items fairly equally across the board. And then throughout the rest of the year, we anticipate finding ways to continue to invest in our RD&E business, and we'd expect as a percentage of sales, that number to be slightly higher than what we've had historically for that business, sort of compensating that would be the difference would go through the SG&A line item.

Yes, Mark, I think it's clear that we believe investing in our products and services, working close to our customers is one of the best returns we can have. So we actually kind of see the downturn slightly as an opportunity in the sense that customers have more bandwidth, we can work with them, we can develop new products, get those products qualified. So then when the upturn arrives, we have new products and services to offer, and that's where we take advantage. So yes, we are definitely, as Jamie mentioned, focused on products and services working with our customers.

Yes. And through this transitory cyclical digestive period, right, we do expect to kind of resume growth in 2026. And so we want to make sure that we're positioned for that, Mark.

Yes. Okay. So basically, for the first quarter, both SG&A and R&D is flat to slightly up, is that correct?

Yes.

Okay, thank you.

Thank you. Our next question comes from Christian Schwab of Craig-Hallum Capital. Your line is open.

Great, just on the mix of business if we look at it by end market, call it auto and industrial, is it as simple as taking Silicon Carbide and IGBT versus General Mature to get the mix of business between end market shipments to say, auto and industrial?

So again, I don't fully follow the question, but I would say, Christian, that basically our General Mature nodes are very driven by consumer, industrial, automotive. And the biggest use of Silicon Carbide is number one, the biggest market is automotive. But the second market that's growing actually really quite quickly is the industrial part.

Similar dynamic. [Multiple Speakers].

So that was my question. I'm just trying to get end market exposure. So in 2024, what percentage of your revenue do you believe went to automotive and what percentage went to industrial/consumer applications?

Yes, that's not how we track it. So we don't know. It's very hard for us to know what our customers ship their products into.

Correct. We don't get discrete data like that from the customers on the -- where they're ultimately putting. So we're using the same sort of general data on the utilization of Silicon IGBT and Silicon Carbide in general assumptions. We don't have specific end product applications necessarily.

Great. And then a follow-up to that. On your automotive exposure, what percentage of that do you think services the domestic Chinese market versus global players?

On Silicon Carbide products we sell right, I would say our European customers are largely the ones putting those Silicon Carbide devices into the automotive.

It's fair to say that the domestic Chinese manufacturers, even the BYDs this world, we don't believe they're qualified yet to put their devices because of the reliability of requirements into their own electric cars. I can think of maybe one company in China that may be ahead of the curve. But ultimately, pretty much -- if you go to put Silicon Carbide into an electric vehicle, it's going to come from the North Americans, Europeans, and the Japanese.

Perfect, thank you for that clarity. And then…

Bear in mind, that's for the all-important MOSFET in the drive system. Remember, there's an awful a lot of diodes that go into these cars as well. And I think the Chinese do manufacture a large part of those components, Silicon Carbide diodes.

Correct. Yes. Got it. And then we talked about an investment year for customer ramps. I guess I'm kind of confused on what technology investments you're investing for, is this for new upgrades, the machines, and if you could provide greater clarity of what that exactly means, is there a transitions in what you're providing as far as a box structure for different applications, current energy, etcetera for 400 to 800 gig volt changing transition. I'm trying to understand the investments that you're making to drive future growth, what's changing that you're sustaining the investment?

Yes. So part of it, it's a little bit all of the above, right, at the end of the day. So part of it is incremental upgrade opportunities that then flow into new product development and technology. So as we think about our power customers very broadly, our team is working through solving some of their critical challenges to improve throughput efficiency, reliability of the devices at the end of the day. And so we're making investments to ensure that, one, we can go back and upgrade the suite of tools that we have available for those and continue to transition our products to sort of the next generation of the technology. There's examples of investments we're making in memory tools and technologies to meet our customer road maps in that space.

Yes, I think it's fair to say, even though we might call these like Mature Technologies, the equipment that goes into them are anything but. So if you think about what we've been going through with Silicon Carbide, we started off with a medium current machine, but we knew that as people move to trend shares and super junctures, they needed a high energy. And in fact, the energy has actually been creeping up and up and up. So that's an example of where we have to develop the right equipment, and that's where we're putting our resources. The other thing is, I mean, we haven't talked much about it, but proton implantation for IGBTs. Those energies have gone up significantly, and that takes a lot of innovation to be able to support our customers with a highly productive tool that can achieve the energy. So our stated strategy of driving with the secular growth in Silicon Carbide, making sure we have a recovery in Memory and General Mature, and that still takes work, while actually expanding into Advanced Logic and Japan, all of that strategy is very well aligned with our spending on our products and services.

Those are multiyear, right, those are multiyear projects that we're committed to.

Right. And then my last question. Your implied guidance for revenue in 2025 call it $800 million plus or minus substantially below your 2027 goal of $1.6 billion. I'm having a tough time reconciling what would have to happen in end markets for that to still be an attainable objective?

Right. So that was the model we provided back in July. And we showed a very kind of clear path from where we were to where we need to get to. Yes, it's fair to say that things have changed. But that was a very thoughtful model. And what I would say about that model is like, one, we're not looking to update it every quarter. But the strategy remains exactly the same. The strategy that we've outlined doesn't change. So we actually feel fairly comfortable with the 1.6 if the timing that's a little bit uncertain. So obviously, trying to predict the timing in the middle of a downturn when people kind of doom and gloom, wouldn't be productive. So I think we are focused on the long-term secular growth in power, market recovery in Memory and General Mature share gain in Advanced Logic and geographic expansion in Japan. And we believe, like I say, that will get us to 1.6. The timing is unclear right now.

Great, no I have no further questions. Thank you guys.

Thank you. This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn it back to David Ryzhik at this time for closing remarks.

Thank you, Deedee. I want to thank everyone for joining our call and your interest in Axcelis. Deedee, you can now close the call.

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