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Q2 2020 Earnings Call· Sun, Aug 9, 2020

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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for standing by, and welcome to the ACM Research Second Quarter 2020 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions]. As a reminder, we are recording today's call. If you have any objections, you may disconnect at this time. Now I will turn the call over to Mr. Gary Dvorchak, Managing Director of The Blueshirt Group. Mr. Dvorchak, please go ahead. Thank you.

Gary Dvorchak

Analyst

Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us on today's call to discuss second quarter 2020 results. We released results after the U.S. market closed yesterday. The release is available on our website as well as from Newswire services. There's also a supplemental slide deck posted to the investor portion of our website that we will reference during our prepared remarks. On the call with me today are our CEO, Dr. David Wang; our CFO, Mark McKechnie; and Lisa Feng, the CFO of our operating subsidiary, ACM Shanghai. Before we continue, please turn to Slide 2. Let me remind you that remarks made during this call may include predictions, estimates or other forward-looking information, other information might be considered forward-looking. These forward-looking statements represent ACM's current judgment for the future. However, they are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially. Those risks are described under Risk Factors and elsewhere in ACM's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Please do not place undue reliance on these forward-looking statements, which reflect ACM's opinions only as of the date of this call. ACM is not obliged to update you on any revisions to these forward-looking statements. Also, certain of the financial results that we provide on this call will be on a non-GAAP basis, which excludes stock-based compensation as well as losses relating to a change in fair value of a financial liability. For our GAAP results and reconciliations between GAAP and non GAAP amounts, you should refer to our earnings release, which is posted on the IR section of our website. With that, let me now turn the call over to David Wang, who will begin with Slide 3. David?

David Wang

Analyst · Needham & Company

Thanks, Gary, and welcome, everyone, to today's call. Before we discuss our second quarter results, I want to briefly comment on the COVID-19 situation, which continues to impact families, business and market openly. I would like to recognize the great effort of our ACM team as we have adopted a new working environment and redesigned our workflow. Since our last quarterly report, we have seen a full return to normal activities in our Asia operations, with nearly all of their restrictions within Mainland China and Taiwan and Korea now lifted. Travel in and out of China is still restricted, but we have been able to work around to mitigate any potential impact to our business as of yet. With all that, we had another very busy and very productive quarter with good financial results, new product activity and solid progress on our strategic initiatives. We are pleased with our financial performance. We delivered revenue of $39 million, up 35% year-over-year. Revenue in the quarter was evenly split between our 3D NAND customer and our 2 foundry customers. Shipments were $45 million, up 36% year-over-year and a strong rebound from the pause in Q1. We delivered good balance of growing versus profitability, with almost a 50% gross margin and 21% operating margin. We remain committed to delivering profitable growth as we continue to invest in R&D for new products and global sales and marketing. We ended the quarter with $86 million of cash. This includes $59 million of PE funds received by ACM Shanghai in connection with its listing on the Shanghai Stock Exchange stock market, which we released from voluntarily restricted cash. The quarter end amount was net of $50 million of income payments for the purchasing of the CPE land right to build our new facilities and employee dormitories…

Mark McKechnie

Analyst · Patrick Ho from Stifel Nicolaus

Thank you, David, and good day, everyone. We had strong financial results in the second quarter. Unless I note otherwise, I will refer to non-GAAP financial measures, which exclude stock-based compensation and a new line item change in fair value of financial liability, which I'll describe shortly. Reconciliation of these non-GAAP measures to comparable GAAP measures is included in our earnings release. Turn to page -- Slide 9. For the second quarter, revenue was $39 million, up 35%. Growth was driven by solid demand for our front-end equipment and back-end tools. As David noted, we had a balanced revenue contribution from our 3D NAND customer and our 2 logic customers. Total shipments were $45 million versus $33 million in the year ago quarter and $12 million last quarter. This includes deliveries for which revenue was recognized in the quarter as well as deliveries of systems awaiting customer acceptance for potential revenue in future quarters. Gross margin was 49.7% versus 45.4% in the prior year period. Gross margin was above our long-term target of 40% to 45%. Gross margin varies on a quarterly basis due to a variety of factors, such as sales volume and product mix. Operating expenses were $11.2 million, up 42%. The increase in operating expenses was related to higher R&D on new products and increased sales-related activities, including additional activities in the U.S. market. Operating income was $8.2 million versus $5.3 million in the year ago period. Operating margin was 21% versus 18.2% in the prior year period. And now I want to provide some detail below the operating line. Our GAAP results included a loss of $5.4 million described as a change in fair value of financial liability. I want to be clear, this was a nonoperating, noncash accounting entry that is excluded from our non-GAAP…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. And our first question comes from the line of Quinn Bolton from Needham & Company.

Quinn Bolton

Analyst · Needham & Company

Hey guys congratulation on the nice results and the higher outlook for 2020. Maybe just wanted to start with the announcement yesterday of the $36 million of orders. Can you give us a little bit more detail on timing and delivery of those tools? And it sounds like it's for a pretty full suite of your white cleaning products.

David Wang

Analyst · Needham & Company

Okay. Thank you. So actually, this is the 2 new customers we're penetration in the China market. And as we indicated, both customer, major product is analog and also power devices, such as IGBT. I think they're -- we've got a very good traction from them. And both company order multiple products and a total of $36 million. We're still negotiating more of their PO and their progress also. So it's a very good market in China. As I mentioned, this is a fast growing and analog and for 5G and also electrical vehicle IGBT devices. And also, we can see a digital customer maybe come out to play in this field. So our semi-critical process tool and which auto bench and backside cleaning and also the scrubber and some SAPS tool as really they like very much. And also including customer interest in our copper plating tool. So as the product is going on, I can see our vertical furnace would also attract their attention, and they will also target now future vertical furnace application, either BSBD or high temperature Neo in their future application.

Quinn Bolton

Analyst · Needham & Company

And David, just to confirm, this is more than just bids going out, that these are confirmed orders that you have now received from those customers?

David Wang

Analyst · Needham & Company

Actually, $33 million is a portion of its deal, portion in the quarter final bidding process. The typical Chinese customer and some customer, they have to go through the formal bidding process. However, before the bidding, they're going to mostly select the technology, specking and all their requirements they feel comfortable, then they can put in the bidding process. Yes, both.

Quinn Bolton

Analyst · Needham & Company

Okay. Okay. And then on Tahoe, congratulations on the second shipment of a production tool. But I think you also mentioned delivering additional eval tools this -- later this year. Just wondering, are those all within your existing Chinese customer base? Or are those also starting to sample to a wider base of customers, potentially even outside of China?

David Wang

Analyst · Needham & Company

Yes. Okay. I should say, this moment, we talk to their existing customer base. And also, we see the interest also from new customer Phase II. And so we see a couple of opportunities right now. And hopefully, we can capture both.

Quinn Bolton

Analyst · Needham & Company

Great. And then just last question for me on the U.S. delivery of the SAPS tool to the OEM demo lab. Can you talk to us about how that sort of helps the business? Obviously, it sounds like you wouldn't sell additional tools to that OEM, but it sounds like perhaps more of a sort of a cross-selling or joint selling opportunity that is IDNs come into that demo lab, they see your SAPS tool and hopefully, to the extent that the U.S. OEM sells its process tools, you would gain SAPS orders as part of that equipment set. Is that the right way to think about that arrangement?

David Wang

Analyst · Needham & Company

Yes. Let's give you the background. Actually, this is OEM customer, obviously, with NDA, we're not allowed to disclose name. And they have a special requirement and to do actually preclean and process or maybe also post cleaning process. And they found our tool and running very well. And from there, actually a common customer in Asia. So the critical in the process, for their process working well is a real precleaning cleaning. And that's why they identify our cleaning tool as a very critical element for enabling their better performance. So that's the point of selecting our tool. And from our point of view, obviously, we view this good partner, right they value our tool and also helping process. And hopefully, this integration process and will make both benefit, right? So that's we're looking for a lot of effort together. Actual tool has been installation finished in this demo lab of their OEM customer. And we're expecting our cleaning capability will enhance their performance, therefore, end of -- they get a better penetration for their next-generation device through in the customer side.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. And your next question comes from the line of Patrick Ho from Stifel Nicolaus.

J. Ho

Analyst · Patrick Ho from Stifel Nicolaus

Congrats on the nice quarter and outlook. David, maybe first off, in terms of the ramp that you're seeing now. Obviously, a little bit of it was built up from pent-up demand from the March quarter when restrictions were in place. But we're getting indications that overall Chinese capital spending is increasing. Do you believe some of this is maybe the Chinese industry pulling in, trying to get as many tools and ramp up capacity as soon as possible? Or is the timing from your perspective within the range that you looked at for 2020 as a whole before COVID-19?

David Wang

Analyst · Patrick Ho from Stifel Nicolaus

Well, that's a good question. Actually, there a lot of existing customers, they only give us a prediction or projection even early beginning of this year, right? So that's something I think our existing customers so far exactly follow their plan. And also, as you say, executing the plan very well. And not much impact by the COVID-19 after January timeline. And also, we see additional new customer come up, like I say, two new customers we work -- we have PO and also bidding process. And they're pretty also come to our attention or they become our new -- I should say, our new breaking through customer. So they're also increasing they're building fab and they're going with the next end of this year, obviously, continue to invest next year. So from this point view, I should say, the Chinese semiconductor equipment continue to grow. And also, even we see the better next year grow from so far our information we get from customer side. So next year is a better year than this year.

J. Ho

Analyst · Patrick Ho from Stifel Nicolaus

Great. That's helpful. And maybe as a follow-up question for you, Mark, in terms of the inventory levels. You answered the question on the prepared remarks about the evaluation units on the inventory line. But at the same time, as you're looking at a bigger ramp potentially in the second half of the year. How are you managing core parts inventory, whether you're still seeing any supply chain disruptions? Or is it more a "normalized operations" in terms of your parts and inventory procurement in terms of building systems?

Mark McKechnie

Analyst · Patrick Ho from Stifel Nicolaus

Yes. No, Patrick, thanks for the question. So we -- our shipments are really looking pretty strong for the back half of the year. We gave you our revenue outlook. The 2 new customers, those will be shipments but probably not revenue this year. So the factories are going to be pretty busy through year-end. So on the supply chain, we've done a lot of work. Again, as you know, a lot of our supply chain, we're fortunate is in Asia. China is certainly back to business as we speak. There are some components that we have to get in Japan or even some in the U.S. that we have seen some lead times stretch out. But we're managing it closely, and we feel we've got that mitigated. Nothing that's -- at this point, or really that we expect would interrupt our plans for the back half of the year.

Operator

Operator

And your next question comes from the line of Suji Desilva from ROTH Capital.

Suji Desilva

Analyst · Suji Desilva from ROTH Capital

Congratulations on the progress here. Very impressive. So the 2 new China analog power customers, a new category, I guess, for you guys. David or Mark, can you talk about the addressable opportunity in the analog power customers longer term versus the existing memory or foundry customer sets you have, just the size -- relative sizes. And are there additional analog power customer opportunities either in China or globally that become open with this kind of breaking into these too?

David Wang

Analyst · Suji Desilva from ROTH Capital

Yes. Okay. Well, actually, the -- as I said, it's a new customer, and it's a real indication, and this is a big demand and also market demand in China. We view this a very good opportunity, and we work with them actually from end of last year. And actually, the point is really interesting. We're not penetrating one tool by one tool. They give us a batch of the order, right, at one time, because they're building their fab very rapidly. And also our tool has been selected in phase 1. Obviously, when expanding Phase 2 as a very good candidate for the [indiscernible] tool. So we're very happy with the -- so far, talking, working with the customer. And also they like our technology and also they check all our reference. They found a tool in other customer site and working very well. And as we have given the confidence to give us a batch of order. And it's a very good indication. Plus, as I mentioned, there will be leading to other product we are on the development right now. So that's really open big window for us to penetrate into the power device and analog market.

Mark McKechnie

Analyst · Suji Desilva from ROTH Capital

Yes. Suji, yes, just one thing I'd add. In David's prepared remarks, we talked about the TAM. And so we always have been talking about our core cleaning products. And before we used to talk about SAPS, TEBO, Tahoe addressed about 50% of the $3 billion cleaning TAM. With the new semi-critical tools, we've taken that to 80%. So I'd say we look at it by a product basis across all the different segments. So that's where it's captured in our TAM calculation.

Suji Desilva

Analyst · Suji Desilva from ROTH Capital

Okay. That's very helpful. And then also on this U.S. partnership you've announced, how does this partnership progress from here? What are the next milestones and timeframes for kind of for an opportunity from there now that you're in that lab?

David Wang

Analyst · Suji Desilva from ROTH Capital

Well, actually, this is the OEM demo lab, they're probably going buy one, right, and our tool. And our goal is really working closely with this partner, and they can benefit our clean technology, and therefore, they can demonstrate a better performance in the customer site. And then meanwhile, this is, I call it post and training cleaning as that's definitely open potential window for us, right, getting to the customer, hopefully, in global in the U.S. So we view this as a very good collaboration, good effort together because we found that cleaning becomes more and more important in their process, right, a variety of process important. So we see that our technology has found a real niche, another very important process step. You have to clean the real small particles and reach the almost particle free performance. And that's really our SAPS and potential TEBO will play, including our Tahoe brand become -- they also not just their I call performance. And also, we have a very heavy cost saving for their asset. So that's really -- we see more and more demand for our technology and also we are confidence and almost each -- almost every customer needed technology, get into their production, the improving yield and see the chemistry.

Operator

Operator

And your next question comes from the line of Christian Schwab from Craig-Hallum Capital.

Christian Schwab

Analyst · Christian Schwab from Craig-Hallum Capital

Congrats on a great quarter. I just have one quick follow-up question with SMIC. What is your -- given the products that you're working with as a valued supplier with them, can you kind of quantify what your potential revenue opportunity would be in the new 100,000 wafer start per month fab?

David Wang

Analyst · Christian Schwab from Craig-Hallum Capital

Yes. Well, actually, SMIC as they are basically 2 major effort, right, expanding their fabric capacity. And this year, they're already expanding their 28 nano manufacturing nodes and above in the Beijing fab. And the one I mentioned this is a new 100,000 wafer with investment about a total $7 billion more investment, that's a new capacity they talk about. So we are very in a good position. And in terms of this fab 28 nanotechnology and because they use a lot of our I call them core technology SAPS, TEBO also Tahoe. And also more important they use a lot of semicritical process, order bench, backside cleaning and also scrub tube. So that's really become a very -- a promise revenue growth driver. And plus, they also have the expanding 40 nano fab in Shanghai, too. And that's also their new technology. They need more of a processing wafer site, which, again, our SAPS, TEBO and Tahoe become important. And also, we have our cleaning tools in from an ECP map. And we believe that both tool will be very important and attractive for them and to -- for their fab expansion tool. Further than that, also, we try to also work on the vertical furnace. We already have one tool has been passing, debugging in another foundry in China. All those process be qualifying, and we also see the opportunity of vertical furnace also can be getting to their, as I mentioned, expansion plan.

Christian Schwab

Analyst · Christian Schwab from Craig-Hallum Capital

Fabulous. Can you just give us a little bit more clarity, you guys kind of hinted that obviously, in your prepared comments that you would expect them to be a top 3 customer in the near future. Can you give us an idea of if the shipments for new activity begin to be recognized in size sometime in the second half of this year? Or is that more of a '21 event?

David Wang

Analyst · Christian Schwab from Craig-Hallum Capital

Yes. Probably, I should say, again, the SMIC has been ordered quite a bit, right? And even their existing 20 nano above expansion in Beijing. So probably this year, they already get in the top 3, I should say, right? Well, end up the real final announcement at the end of the year. And obviously, next year, they're getting to the top 3. So we see there is the moment in 1TC and Huahong, Huali Group. And SMIC will be the top 3 major player. I mean, you are a customer [indiscernible]. And beyond that, also I see other continually, I call it, probably muted recover in DRAM, and that will be -- add value and better portion of the revenue from Hynix and also other new customers in China.

Mark McKechnie

Analyst · Christian Schwab from Craig-Hallum Capital

Yes. Christian, one other thing. So for SMIC, I think one of the ways to think about it. They've been a customer for a while, right? But we've been fairly underrepresented there. But there are some tools that we ship before they've been accepted, that will be taken as revenue. But then there are some other tools that will be first tools this year and the timing of the revenue on those this year and next year.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. And your next question comes from the line of Mr. Charlie Chan from Morgan Stanley.

Charlie Chan

Analyst · Mr. Charlie Chan from Morgan Stanley

David, Mark. Also congratulations for your great resource and adding those new customers. So my first question is really about your progress in other overseas customers, including the top foundry customer and also another U.S. IDN. Can you give us some updates for those customer win?

David Wang

Analyst · Mr. Charlie Chan from Morgan Stanley

Yes. Actually, we're working very close for the top 2 tier, and you mentioned about one major in Taiwan and other one in the U.S., they also have the memory fab in China, too. So I think this year, we're still working closely, and hopefully, we'll break one. And it very well can break 2, but this moment or go is probably at least break one of their penetration one customer. The reason for that is we found our SAPS, TEBO and Tahoe. All 3 products become attractive for them. And also the cleaning become more important right now. So the technology benefits, technology security, and that's their point of interest. So we're working on that. And when the time and reach there, we're going to make as much we can to announce that. So this moment still working on that right now.

Charlie Chan

Analyst · Mr. Charlie Chan from Morgan Stanley

Sure, sure. Understood. So I guess the next question is to CFO. So I'm very impressed by your gross margin second quarter, 49%. So what's the right way to think about your long-term gross margin trend by considering the product mix, higher revenue scale, also the new factory ramp, you said that 49% was sustainable or even see some upside in the long term? And also just a very, very small question about your onetime financial liability loss. Because the press release suggested that, that terminated in July. So does that mean that you are going to reverse that loss to a gain in third quarter?

Mark McKechnie

Analyst · Mr. Charlie Chan from Morgan Stanley

Yes. Thanks, Charlie. So you managed to get a lot of good questions in your 2 limits, but it's impressive. So yes, in terms of the gross margin, look, we're pleased with the gross margin this quarter. As we kind of say, it has to do with product mix and scale as well. We encourage the street to manage and the expectation should be 40% to 45% on that gross margin level. We don't want to get too excited. We have a big quarter because of 1 or 2 tools could really move it. And we certainly wouldn't be disappointed if we had it kind of in the -- more towards the mid-range of our outlook. So longer term, as we move to scale, we could reconsider that 40% to 45%. But I think at this point in time, for your modeling horizon, we'd prefer if you maintain that 40% to 45% outlook. Yes, let me take a second on this noncash nonoperating charge. It really is a technical accounting issue with no impact to non-GAAP. I'll give you some detail. At the start of the second quarter, SMC held 242,000 shares of stock. And really to comply with the STAR Market IPO, they surrendered the stock on April 30. There was some optionality in the agreement, and so the obligation to return the stock is carried as a liability in our books. So from April 30 to quarter end, stock moved about $22. And that stock move had to be mark-to-market, which is what drove the accounting loss. So that accounting loss is going to carry into our Q3 result, not in Q4. And the reason it's carried into Q3 is we actually didn't terminate the agreement until July 28. And then we issued the warrant to SMC. So at that point, the 242,000 shares of SMC stock, they were part of the warrant. They go into our share count calculation with no mark-to-market requirement. And the other side of it, it will -- the loss will never see -- the book loss isn't going to come back through our income statement, but it will be seen in our paid-in capital that removes the liability. So like we said on the call, this is a good outcome forward progress towards the STAR Market IPO.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] All right. Seeing no more question in the queue, let me turn the call back --

Mark McKechnie

Analyst · Patrick Ho from Stifel Nicolaus

Wait, wait. Operator, we see two more questions.

David Wang

Analyst · Needham & Company

Mark Miller?

Operator

Operator

Yes. Next is Mark Miller from The Benchmark Company.

Mark Miller

Analyst

Congrats on your new customers and your momentum here. Just wanted to ask the -- you guys -- you were developing new tools. The R&D costs went up by almost 50% in the June quarter. Where do you see R&D trending for the rest of the year?

Mark McKechnie

Analyst · Patrick Ho from Stifel Nicolaus

Yes, you bet. So Mark, we -- yes, that's a good question. And I think we always started the year, we have a discipline internally to balance our near-term profitability with investments in the longer-term opportunities. And so when we saw our revenue moving -- got confidence, and we saw some additional upside to take our range up. We started investing in some additional new products. So R&D for the year, we see it kind of staying at about that level, about the $5 million or so per quarter. If we see some additional revenue, we might increase that to bring some new products to market faster.

Mark Miller

Analyst

Okay. And just in terms of your new plant. As you load that plant, would you expect that to have a benefit on your margins as factory loading goes up in the second facility?

Mark McKechnie

Analyst · Patrick Ho from Stifel Nicolaus

The second facility. Yes.

David Wang

Analyst · Needham & Company

Maybe a comment, and Mark is the new facility is obviously --

Mark McKechnie

Analyst · Patrick Ho from Stifel Nicolaus

He's talking about the [indiscernible] -- he's asking about the [indiscernible] factory, I think. Right, Mark.?

David Wang

Analyst · Needham & Company

[Indiscernible] talk about the Lingang new facility.

Mark Miller

Analyst

Yes. I'm talking about just generally factory loading with the new facility coming up, is that going to help you with margins?

David Wang

Analyst · Needham & Company

Yes, okay. Good. And we have bought purchased land and right for 50 years. And with the new factory, we introduced more of our sophistical manufacture system, also a lot of automation going on with that in the process and definitely will lower our manufacturing costs. And also more important, will be more of a precisely machine under assembly line and also inventory control. So with that system implemented, we probably can control our inventory and also precisely management working in progress schedule. That we think was the lower manufacturing costs.

Mark McKechnie

Analyst · Patrick Ho from Stifel Nicolaus

Yes, Mark, I think one of the earlier questions asked about our longer-term gross margins. So yes, I mean, we would think that, hopefully, we'd be in a position to reevaluate our margin range on that front. But really, Mark, when we think about this new facility, it's -- there's a lot of things you need to do to be able to track some larger customers, right? It's not just a great product. It's not just a balance sheet. It's not just a strong services organization. It's really about the production capacity. And so we think this will help to our efforts with bigger customers.

David Wang

Analyst · Needham & Company

Yes. Actually, we [indiscernible] facility before. With this, we calculate between either we continue renting a new facility versus we building our own. In the long run, we talked about probably more than 50% to 65% saving in terms of rental outside. More importantly, we can have a building on long term and strong R&D facility, which normally, we cannot spend money on rental -- rental area, right? And the 5 years have a go at a different place. So that really make us a decision to get this land and build a long-term R&D facility that will also increase our R&D capability and also much better control and also put more effort in building on the lab. So that's another benefit with this new land purchasing and also the facility build-out.

Operator

Operator

And your last question comes from the line of Krish Sankar from Cowen & Company.

Krish Sankar

Analyst · Cowen & Company

And David and Mark, congrats on the really strong results. I had a couple of them. David, when you look at the single-wafer clean product, now that you're shipping into a wide range of customers, how would you characterize the single base of clean intensity between logic, foundry, memory and also now analog and IGBT customers, who's the most single effort in terms of and who's the least?

David Wang

Analyst · Cowen & Company

Yes. Okay. I think that -- you look at last year, our logic versus memory, and we're almost at half and half, right? And so that's pretty much equally divided. Even looking this year, I should say, we still have roughly probably close to that half and half, maybe heavy on the memory a little bit. So we see that both opportunity is important, either logic or fab and also this, I call the logic or foundry versus memory, right? So you know that we have 2. This moment we have 3 memory hubs buying our tool right now. One is obviously our older SK Hynix and YMTC. Also, we have a tool and almost qualify in the 6 MP and hub 8. So that's our third customer and on the memory side, and we'll continue exploring other new memory and facility another customer, too. So beyond that in their foundry wise, as I said, we are normal logical devices, now we're getting analog and also the power device, too. So that's another market, and we see it grow. And we have a capture 2 customer. And we probably will capture another power device customer, hopefully, beginning next year with another increase for market expansion.

Krish Sankar

Analyst · Cowen & Company

All right. Got it. And then for Mark, a two part question. Thanks for the color on the gross margin, how should we think about op margin, would it scale with revenues? Or would there be ebb and flows to it since the new product introduction in eval tools can impact op margin?

Mark McKechnie

Analyst · Cowen & Company

Yes. I think it's a good question. So yes, on the operating margins, I mean, we really talk a lot about balancing near-term profitability versus, really, we think it's a really important time to expand our product line right now because of the customer activity that we're seeing. So we'd expect to spend in this opportunity. You saw an uptick in our R&D and our spend in Q2. I think mid-teens operating margin is the right way to think about us. We'll continue to spend into that and hopefully see some leverage on that as we move into next year. But yes, I think that's -- it's the right thing to do at this point in time. So yes, that's -- I don't think I -- yes. I don't know David if you had anything to add to that.

David Wang

Analyst · Cowen & Company

Actually, I want to say that at this moment, we really try to balance between our spending versus profitability, right? So we think working to heavily invest in R&D and also in the customer -- other sales and marketing activity. But at the same time, we keep a certain profitability in our line. So I think so far, we did very well, and we'll continue to do that, the balance between the 2 factors. And in other words, we have also continued to invest heavily. We're also working on a new product, and hopefully, we can announce next year. So that's our effort and put together. And again, try to grow our market opportunity and also we try to catch more customers in China, also outside China.

Mark McKechnie

Analyst · Cowen & Company

Yes. Krish, one thing I did forget to mention. As our shipments, some of the shipments you won't see showing up in our revenue and so that's going to drive a pretty heavy OpEx. So you'll get sales commissions and what have you driving our costs on the revenue, plus on the demo tools as well, that won't show up in our revenue.

Krish Sankar

Analyst · Cowen & Company

Got it. Got it. That makes sense. And just a final question from my end. With the new Lingang facility, what is the revenue capacity for the company right now?

David Wang

Analyst · Cowen & Company

Good question. Actually, by our plan, we're building almost about 1 million square feet of their facility, right? And in that, actually about 40,000 square feet will be for their 2 identical fab. So with other, we're working on right now, we think about at least 5x more than today is our capacity. So probably about $1.5 billion revenue is probably the capacity we're working right now. And with more automation, more of a spacing of their -- efficiently using, and that's our goal, 5x of today. So $1.5 billion. That's our revenue target.

Operator

Operator

Seeing no more question in the queue. Let me turn the call back to David Wang for the closing remarks.

David Wang

Analyst · Needham & Company

Okay. Thank you, operator, and thank you all for participating on today's call and for your support. Before we close, Gary is going to mention some upcoming Investor Relations events. Gary, please.

Gary Dvorchak

Analyst

Thanks, David. We have a number of events coming up over the next few weeks. All of these are virtual at this point, of course, and they're all invitation only. So if you want to meet with us or attend the presentation, please contact respective sales representative. On August 13, we'll participate in the Needham Virtual Semi Cap and EDA conference. On August 27, we'll attend the Nomura Virtual China Investor Forum. Also, we'll participate in the Jefferies 2020 Virtual Semiconductor IT Hardware and Communications Summit on September 1. And on September 9, we'll attend Citigroup's 2020 Global Technology Virtual Conference. Finally, on September 11, we'll participate at the Crédit Suisse Asia Technology Virtual Conference. This concludes the call. Thank you for attending. You may all now disconnect.

Operator

Operator

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