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Q4 2017 Earnings Call· Tue, Mar 13, 2018

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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Synalloy Fourth Quarter Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question-and-answer session and instructions will follow at that time. [Operator Instructions]. As a reminder, this conference call may be recorded. I would now like to introduce your host for today's conference, Mr. Craig Bram, President and CEO of Synalloy Corporation. Mr. Bram, you may begin.

Craig Bram

Analyst

Good morning, everybody. Welcome to Synalloy Corporation's Fourth Quarter 2017 Conference Call. As usual, Dennis Loughran, our CFO is with me today. Dennis will provide a review of the Q4 financials and then I'll provide some comments on our business segments and what we're seeing so far in 2018. We will then open the call to questions. Dennis?

Dennis Loughran

Analyst

Good morning, everyone. As usual, the financial results will be presented using three different methods; GAAP based EPS; adjusted net income, a non-GAAP measure as defined in the earnings release; and adjusted EBITDA, a non-GAAP measure also defined in the earnings release. Along with that standard comment, I need to point everyone’s attention to the special note that was included in the earnings release pertaining to an adjustment in the presentation of our two non-GAAP measures. In short and concert with comments from and discussions with the SEC staff, we have amended our formats to exclude from both adjusted EBITDA and adjusted net income four measures and they include; the inventory pricing change loss, inventory cost adjustments, aged [ph] inventory adjustments, and manufacturing variances. While we will continue to identify and discuss the comparability of those values between periods, they will no longer be included in the reported non-GAAP totals. The significance of this change as it pertains to our non-GAAP results for 2017 and 2016 presented in our earnings release filing is that both years will show lower results than the previous presentation, especially our previous guidance which included all of the items. As an example, underlying adjusted EBITDA performance improvement as presented in the filing is approximately $10.5 million from 2016 to 2017, nearly identical to the improvement that would have been shown under the old format. However, that comparability would not be the same for all periods due to the significant variability of the factors in question. For that reason, we continue to present the calculated factors as notes to the exhibits to the earnings release in hopes that they will provide investors with valuable insights into year-to-year results. We can address any questions you may have at the end of the prepared remarks. Fourth quarter GAAP-based…

Craig Bram

Analyst

Thanks, Dennis. Revenue and earnings momentum continued to build in the fourth quarter and the company achieved record revenue on a continuing operations basis of $201 million for the year. Each product line in the Metals Segment showed positive sales growth against the prior year’s quarter and on a year-to-date basis. Sales in the Chemicals Segment in the fourth quarter turned positive with a 5% increase over the same quarter of 2016. Wrapping up 2017, several of our key indicators were flashing positive signals. In the Metals Segment, order activity continued to strengthen across all product lines. Since mid 2017, pricing has also improved every quarter. Some of this reflects general firming in overall pricing and some is due to better product mix. The backlog in the stainless steel product line as of year-end had average pricing that was 45% higher than the average price realized throughout 2017. Pricing in the storage tank and vessel backlog at year end was 27% higher than the average price realized throughout 2017. With raw material prices increasing in the Chemicals Segment, we’re beginning to see selling prices increase there as well. Business activity has continued to accelerate in the first quarter of this year. With two months in the books on an unaudited basis, both the Metals and Chemical segments are posting excellent year-over-year sales gains. The Metals Segment, excluding the Marcegaglia acquisition which was not in place until March 1st of last year, had sales gains of 21% while the Chemical Segment was up 10% year-over-year. Consolidated gross profit has also shown substantial improvement companywide, up 57% year-over-year, excluding the Marcegaglia acquisition. Our February year-to-date 2018 operating profit for the company came in at $3.3 million compared to just over breakeven last year-to-date. Adjusted EBITDA, as redefined in our earnings release in…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. Our first question comes from Mike Hughes with SGF Capital. Your line is now open.

Mike Hughes

Analyst

Good morning, guys. Thanks for taking my questions. Craig, I just wanted to clarify. Did you say the adjusted EBITDA for the first two months of this year which I realize is on an unaudited basis is $4.8 million?

Craig Bram

Analyst

That’s exactly right.

Mike Hughes

Analyst

Okay. So for the full quarter, I don’t know if the first two months of the quarter are typically stronger than March, but if that trend continued, that’d be roughly $7 million for the quarter which annualizes to $28 million. So I think the full year guidance is $20 million. So I guess my question is, what’s the disconnect and when was the budget put together, it’s just there’s been an environmental end market change since you compiled the budget numbers?

Craig Bram

Analyst

Yes, Mike, for starters we put the budget together back in September. It got revised a few times and then eventually approved by the Board in November. So there’s been a lot of activity on multiple fronts, particularly on the Metals side. The tariff situation has certainly – has been a positive in terms of order activity. The whole pricing dynamic that we’ve talked about from this time last year after acquiring Marcegaglia, timing wise that couldn’t have been better for us. What we’re seeing in the market generally is ability for domestic mills to have some pricing power for the first time in probably a decade and because Bristol Metals following the Marcegaglia acquisition is controlling about 38% of that market right now. We have continued to take the lead on pricing increases. We had two price increases in the latter part of 2017. The freight, the increase or a separate charge for freight is something we’ve talked about for years and really have not been able to implement. We did that March 1st and it’s gone through without any hitches. All the domestic competitors followed suit. The price increase today will basically position the domestic producers – our pricing at a level following the tariffs that would be basically comparable. So we’re taking advantage of the opportunity to improve pricing in the welded stainless steel pipe and tube market. So that’s certainly driving part of it. We’ve also had improved nickel pricing. So in the first two months of this year we experienced about $1.4 million in inventory profits versus $700,000 of inventory profits in the first two months of last year. Surcharges are continuing to move up. So we would expect to continue to participate in the inventory profit picture going forward. It’s unknown at this point obviously what that may look like on a month-to-month or quarter-to-quarter basis. But based on where the surcharges are currently sitting, we would expect Q1 and Q2 to be very strong and that’s also a reflection of our backlog and general order activity on the pipe side. We’ve also seen a lot of increased activity on the heavy wall seamless carbon business. That business had a much improved 2017 and they’re off to a very, very strong start in 2018. The same with Palmer; we’re seeing improved activity there as well. So at this point, the projections that we laid out for the 2018 plan are looking pretty conservative.

Mike Hughes

Analyst

Okay. And then the $40 million in backlog, did that include the Marcegaglia or is that a legacy number?

Craig Bram

Analyst

Well, 40 million does include Marcegaglia. So it’s Bristol and Marcegaglia. The bookings that have occurred in the last five weeks of $23 million had been spread over those two facilities. And I would tell you that a third of that $40 million, or what we would refer to as Cadillac products, they are the products with high margins, special alloys, heavy wall/quick turn that’s a reflection of the investment that we made in Bristol. So we’re really starting to see the new investments, the new equipment that we’ve purchased last year, starting to fill out with some very nice volume.

Mike Hughes

Analyst

Okay. And can you summarize in percentage terms what’s happened to pricing or where it stands today versus a year ago putting aside the surcharges, just the pure pricing number if that’s possible on the Metals business?

Craig Bram

Analyst

I don’t have it precise, I can be there. I mean I can tell you that we’ve instituted in the latter part of 2017, we had two price increases that in total were roughly 7.5% combined. The price increase that we’re rolling out today is 10%. And if you look at our backlog in the Bristol facility at the end of year was roughly $3.10 a pound. It was $2.35 a pound for all of 2017. And at Munhall, the backlog at the end of 2017 was $2.80 a pound and that was up from about $1.80, $1.85 range for all of 2017. So there’s base price increases in those numbers but there’s also product mix that’s reflected in those numbers. And of course, we’ve been saying all along we wanted to see our product mix move away from heavy commodity into special alloy, and so we’re starting to see that as well.

Mike Hughes

Analyst

Okay. Just one follow up and then one more question for you. So the 10% price increase that you just announced, number one, is not embedded in the guidance that you gave for the year today. And then number two, it’s basically 10% on a $3 number which is $0.30 times what’s your annual production, did you say it’s roughly – if you could just cite that number again that would be helpful?

Craig Bram

Analyst

Yes, we did 50 million pounds – just shy of 50 million pounds last year. Our original plan was for 56 million pounds this year and we’re probably going to be tracking closer to 65 million pounds in 2018 now.

Mike Hughes

Analyst

Okay. And again that 10% price increase isn’t in today’s guidance for 2018?

Craig Bram

Analyst

That’s right.

Mike Hughes

Analyst

Okay. Last question for you. M&A, it’s noted in the press release that you’ve acquired some stock in a publicly traded company. I’m not sure if you’re willing to or want to talk about whether that’s on the Metals side or the Chemicals side. And then just maybe size on how you’d potentially finance that acquisition.

Craig Bram

Analyst

I can tell you it’s on the Chemicals side and that’s about all I can tell you about that at this time. I can tell you we’re continuing to look at opportunities. We’ve got some interesting opportunities on the Metals side as well. So hopefully we’ll have more to report on that later in the first half of this year.

Dennis Loughran

Analyst

Yes, and for funding, Mike, we have ample revolver facility. We’ve discussed with our partner BB&T potential of a combination revolver and term combination and certainly if we ever got to the point where we needed to look at our capital structure and our stock price was in the place where we thought it was appropriate, a balanced equity might – to get us to the right debt equity ratios that are good for our company would be also in play for something big enough.

Mike Hughes

Analyst

Okay. And Dennis, remind me, what’s the maximum debt to EBITDA you would go to?

Dennis Loughran

Analyst

We’d like to be at 2 or under, but certainly in terms of post-transaction kind of stuff getting up to 3 and then getting it back down to 2 as quickly as possible and lower would be desirable.

Mike Hughes

Analyst

Okay. Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions]. I am not showing any further questions at this time. I would now like to turn the call back over to Craig Bram for any further remarks.

Craig Bram

Analyst

As always, we appreciate everyone’s support. We’re very excited about how 2018 has started out and we’re looking forward to harvesting some of the benefits of the spending that we made in 2017 as we push further into 2018. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for participating in today's conference. This does conclude today's program. You may all disconnect. Everyone, have a wonderful day.