Good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to Ares Commercial Real Estate Corporation's Second Quarter Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions]. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded on Tuesday, August 5, 2025. I would now like to turn the call over to Mr. John Stilmar, Partner of Public Markets Investor Relations. Please go ahead, sir.

Thank you, and good afternoon, everybody. Thanks for joining us on today's conference call. In addition to our press release and the 10-Q that we filed with the SEC, we have posted an earnings presentation under the Investor Resources section of our website at www.arescre.com. Before we begin, I want to remind everyone that comments made during the course of this conference call and webcast as well as the accompanying documents contain forward-looking statements and are subject to risks and uncertainties. Many of these forward- looking statements can be identified by the use of words such as anticipates, believes, expects, intends, will, should, may and similar such expressions. These forward-looking statements are based on management's current expectations of market conditions and management's judgment. These statements are not guarantees of future performance, condition or results and involve a number of risks and uncertainties. The company's actual results could differ materially from those expressed in the forward-looking statements as a result of a number of factors, including those listed on its SEC filings. Ares Commercial Real Estate assumes no obligation to update any such forward- looking statements. During this call, we will refer to certain non-GAAP financial measures. We use these as measures of operating performance, and these measures should not be considered in isolation from or as a substitute for measures prepared in accordance with generally accepted accounting principles. These measures may not be comparable to like titled measures used by other companies. Now I'd like to turn the call over to our CEO, Bryan Donohoe. Bryan.

Thank you, John. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us. I am also joined today by Jeff Gonzales, our Chief Financial Officer; Tae-Sik Yoon, our Chief Operating Officer; as well as other members of the management and Investor Relations team. During the second quarter, we continued to execute on our strategic objectives. We maintained a strong balance sheet, which has driven our progress addressing our risk-rated 4 and 5 loans and further reducing our office loans in the quarter. Importantly, the portfolio no longer includes loans collateralized by properties that are primarily used for life sciences. Given the progress we have made in narrowing the range of potential outcomes in our portfolio and having achieved our target balance sheet objective, we have begun investing in new and attractive loans. As we look forward, we expect origination activity to increase as we collect repayments and further address our risk-rated 4 and 5 loans and reduce our office loan holdings. Let me now walk you through the details of the quarter and lay the foundation for how we see these activities unfolding in order to drive higher levels of distributable earnings and dividend coverage. During the second quarter, we reduced our office loans to $524 million, a decrease of 10% quarter-over-quarter and a decrease of 30% year-over-year. This decrease was driven by repayments, active asset management and the decision to accelerate resolutions. Across office loans, including our rated 5 office loan, we saw improved leasing fundamentals and broadly speaking, more positive capital markets around the sector, which may also impact the rate of resolutions. During the second quarter, we exited a $51 million office life sciences loan and took a $33 million realized loss, which was in excess of the prior quarter CECL reserve. While we don't take any loss…

Thank you, Bryan. For the second quarter of 2025, we reported a GAAP net loss of approximately $11 million or $0.20 per diluted common share. Our distributable earnings for the second quarter of 2025 was a net loss of approximately $28 million or $0.51 per diluted common share. This includes the impact from the realized loss of $33 million or $0.60 per diluted common share related to the exit of a Massachusetts office life sciences loan. Distributable earnings for the second quarter, excluding this loss, was approximately $5 million or $0.09 per diluted common share. During the quarter, we also collected $3 million or $0.05 per diluted common share of cash interest on loans that were on nonaccrual and was accounted for as a reduction in our loan basis. In the second quarter of 2025, we collected an additional $30 million of repayments, bringing the year-to-date total repayments to $337 million, nearly 3x the amount of repayments in the first half of 2024. The acceleration of repayments that began in the second half of 2024 and which has continued through the first half of 2025 have bolstered our liquidity position and further strengthened our balance sheet. While these repayments are having an impact on our near- term earnings, we believe our strengthened balance sheet provides us the flexibility to accelerate resolutions and opportunistically deploy capital into new loans. Reinforced by the repayments and purposeful execution, we maintained the financial flexibility and balance sheet positioning we achieved in the first quarter. We maintained our net debt-to-equity ratio, excluding CECL, at 1.2x at the end of the second quarter, stable quarter-over-quarter, but down from 1.9x year-over-year. We reduced our outstanding borrowings further to $889 million at the end of the quarter, a decrease of 6% quarter-over-quarter and a decrease of 39% year-over-year.…

Thanks, Jeff. As we sit here today, halfway through 2025, we are proud of our progress and accomplishments. While we recognize that quarter-to-quarter earnings results may vary, our conviction remains firm and our strategy remains unchanged. The success and conviction of our strategy is evidenced by record low leverage, high levels of liquidity, double-digit decreases in our risk-rated 4 and 5 loans and office portfolio over the last year and ACRE's 3Q 2025 return to new loan investing. We believe that this is the first of many investments as we reshape ACRE's portfolio for future growth. We believe that the power of the Ares platform and the greater Ares real estate team provides us with the right people, comprehensive capabilities and robust pipeline to continue to execute upon this strategy. Looking ahead, we're encouraged by the signs of stabilization and gradual improvement of the commercial real estate market, particularly driven by valuation stability due to the lack of new inventory in certain property types and submarkets. Through consistent execution, we are confident that ACRE is on the right track to drive shareholder value and benefit from the secular growth of the nonbank commercial real estate lending opportunity. In closing, we would like to take a moment to extend our deepest sympathies to the families of those who lost their lives during last week's tragedy at 345 Park Avenue. In times like these, we are reminded of the importance of standing together as a community with compassion, resilience and support for one another. We are keeping all who have been affected in our thoughts. As always, we appreciate you joining our call today, and we'd be happy to open the line for questions.

[Operator Instructions] We go first to Rick Shane of JPMorgan.

Look, I'm curious, it sounds like from a balance sheet perspective, you feel like you've reached an inflection point in terms of starting to deploy capital, working through the nonaccruals. On a year-over-year basis, net revenue is down about 25%. Net interest income is down even more than that. Is the second quarter the trough? Or should we expect that because of the timing in the third quarter that it will be sequentially down again and then potentially start to rebuild from there?

Thanks for the question, Rick. So yes, we did reset our dividend in the first quarter to align with our strategic objectives. As you mentioned, we did reach our balance sheet positioning goals, which is allowing us to maximize some of the resolutions of our 4 and 5 loans and accelerate those and also begin to start investing in loans. So as Bryan mentioned in his prepared remarks, we do expect to have the portfolio 12 months from now be at the level it's at today or higher. We do continue to source new loan opportunities, and we do expect to originate additional loans moving forward throughout the third quarter and in the fourth quarter that will -- should absorb any repayments that happen.

Got it. And so does that imply if the balance sheet is going to be roughly the same size a year from now, but you're going to have presumably less drag from nonaccruals that even at a flat balance sheet, you would expect to see net interest income start to rebuild from here.

Yes, that's correct.

And remind me, I know I've got it, and we'll see it in the transcript, but what was the drag this quarter from nonaccruals on NII?

The drag is about $0.17.

Okay. And absolute dollars, I apologize. .

Absolute dollars in the $8 million, $9 million range.

We go next now to Tom Catherwood at BTIG.

Bryan, I appreciate your comments on origination activity increasing going forward and that it's likely to track repayments and watch list resolutions. Given your low debt levels, you could lever up that equity that comes back from repayments and really ramp originations beyond even past the repayment levels. Is that your plan as you're looking at through originations for the rest of '25?

Yes. I appreciate the question, Tom. I think certainly -- and if you look at what Jeff walked through in terms of the accordion feature of the Morgan Stanley facility, I think that represents the fact that, as you know, there is more leverage available than what we have sought to utilize on our balance sheet. So yes, there is the opportunity to lever up as you put it. And I do think the earnings power will be reflective of what we try to reflect is a market that we think is constructive for whole loan originations and certainly a constructive market for repo or warehouse line debt against those assets. So we feel good about both the gross deployment and the net interest margin that we could create based on that borrowing even on a static level or increasing it, as you said.

Got it. Appreciate that. And then if we think of just your origination pipeline as it's shaping up now, obviously, you put the money to work with the self-storage loans thus far in 3Q. But how is that pipeline shaping up for the rest of '25?

Yes. We walked through a lot of what we've done on a platform basis. And I think that should be reflective of the fact that we feel we are in a strong standing position in this market as we think about nonbank lender participation continuing to increase. And I think our presence in the market has improved over the past 5, 6 years, right? So I think we have a robust market to originate into. One thing I'd note is I think there's been so much volatility in rates. It's interesting. If you look at the first half of the year and look at treasuries, we kind of ended up where we started, but with intraday volatility that was fairly historic. And I mentioned that because I think the real estate industry is still kind of coming to grips with these higher rates to some degree. I think it's to the benefit of the lending community over equity to -- on some basis. But deal velocity is coming back, but it ebbs and flows. So I just reflect that, but I do think that the pipeline has been consistent for us throughout the year, and that's a function of being able to refinance versus needing those willing buyers and sellers to consummate that transaction. So long-winded answer, Tom, but we feel good about the pipeline as we sit here today.

Appreciate that, Bryan. And last one for me on the Chicago loan, given that occupancy is above 90% and you received a $3 million paydown in 3Q, is there a consideration to extending the loan beyond, obviously, what was the July maturity and then putting it back on accrual? Or is there something else that's keeping that at a 5 risk rating?

Yes. With respect to the asset itself and our business plan, our interaction with the borrowers, certainly, we like to keep our borrowers in their seat as the equity owner. But I think you can read through what we described and think about this being a mid- to high single- digit yield. And I think that cash flow profile provides a lot of different options for us as we attempt to resolve it. And I think we've reflected over prior quarters, we'd like to move on from it. But we want to make sure that market value reflects the intrinsic value that we see in this asset as well. So the cash flow profile provides us those opportunities. I think we mentioned in the prepared remarks the fact that there's still stress from a valuation perspective around office assets generally. So while I don't see a pathway to returning it to accrual, we do think that the yield from this asset is such that we do have options available to us as we go through the next few months.

We go next now to Jade Rahmani of KBW.

There's a ton of economic noise right now, and we're all trying to assess potential risks due to tariffs and other uncertainties. At the same time, one of your peers characterized the CRE lending market as frothy. I think I saw GSE multifamily quote at a spread inside of 100 basis points on stabilized multifamily. So just curious your read of the landscape and if -- what your views are about real estate fundamentals, if you're seeing any deterioration in performance across the Ares platform. if your view is that things are kind of stable? And then also a comment on the health of the -- or competitiveness of the CRE lending markets.

Yes, it's a great question, Jade, and obviously, one we ponder most days here as investors in the sector. I would say that we've seen some relative stability, as I mentioned, Tom's question on as rates have kind of coalesce where they've ended up here. I think you've got this -- you've got what's being printed today in terms of relatively stagnant markets from a leasing and fundamental perspective in certain asset classes. But with the forward supply-demand balance in multifamily and industrial and self-storage that are kind of evolving from, I'd say, yellow towards green over the next 24 to 36 months. So I think while today, we have a little bit of a muted growth story or at least maybe said differently, a difficult to predict where the drivers of growth will come from in certain asset classes. I think over the next 3 to 5 years, you can make a case for that supply-demand imbalance leading to higher rent growth than we're seeing currently, right? In terms of your question on the debt markets, I think you've had a consolidation in the sector where banks have changed the way they participate in the market to some degree. I think you're seeing the larger participants probably take market share from some of the smaller -- and to the extent you're referencing a tightening or a frothy lending market, I think it depends on your perspective. I think we're finding plenty to do with ROEs that would be in keeping with our subject sector from a historical perspective, and I'm sure our peers would say similar and also something that is a very attractive return on equity from any market participant across debt and equity, right? The current income profile of lending today historically referenced, I find to be still very attractive. And I'd say one of the things, Jade, in that equation is we've also seen a reset in asset values, right? So your attachment point to these properties is lower than it would have been 2, 3 years ago. And I think you have to take that into account as you think about the relative value in our sector versus other real asset type categories. So hopefully, that answered your question, but happy to delve further if helpful.

Yes, that's great. Exactly what I was looking for. And I think what you put forth is well reasoned, balanced as always. Can you comment on multifamily trends you're seeing? I think we've seen some mixed reports from the apartment REITs depending on the Sunbelt exposure. Curious as to your views on the multifamily space.

Yes. Jade, it's something that, again, I'd say, echoes what I said in terms of the forward supply versus demand being in favor of rent growth. In the immediate case, the data sometimes can be difficult to digest, right? A lot of the CPI data is based on I'd characterize as more local mom-and-pop type landlords, in which case, there's probably a lot of loss to lease still in those rent rolls and you're seeing renewal rents outpace the degree of rent increases for new tenants. And so I think we're in a digestion phase. I would say that the -- it is very market to market and asset to asset in terms of underlying performance. I do feel like we've departed the stage where most owners are going to give up their right or their option to continue in their standing, if you will, right? So if you have an asset that might be overlevered that you purchased in early '23 by way of example, I think you've kind of made that option payment. You've cured a lot of debt service that you didn't anticipate paying due to higher rates. And at this point, you're looking over the next 24 months to a more constructive environment for rents. Obviously, the proof will be in where those rents ultimately get. I don't think we're returning to a 5% to 7% rent growth market, but I think CPI plus would be reasonable based on the statistics that we are seeing. And again, I'd echo what I said earlier, the reset of basis for new loans against those assets, I think, is very, very attractive.

We go next now to Doug Harter of UBS.

Can you talk about your thought process and whether you considered repurchasing stock at the current discount to book dividend yield versus deploying that into new loans and kind of how -- what you thought about that -- those trade-offs?

Yes, absolutely, Doug, and it's certainly a fair question, and we consider repurchases and the quantitative impact is fairly linear, right? So we certainly get it. Right now, we're in favor of investing in new loans as we try to reposition this portfolio and bring us back to scale and deployment and really recharacterize the book, which we think over the long term will be rewarding for our shareholders. But Beyond that, I think we -- there's the practical size of our company, which we have to consider those expense efficiencies. The scale of the portfolio I mentioned and how we finance that portfolio will benefit from parts of that scale. And then other factors come into play like covenants and prospects for our growth. So certainly, it's a tool that we have access to. We understand the quantitative aspects, but a little bit more goes into it before we would execute there.

[Operator Instructions] We'll go next now to Chris Muller of Citizens Capital Markets.

So can you walk me through the mechanics of the $33 million realized loss in the CECL release with $33 million loss on a $51 million loan and about a $20 million release. And I think you guys said that you sold -- or the property was sold below your reserve basis. So I'm just trying to understand how all that fits together.

Yes. Thanks for the question, Chris. Yes, so as you saw, there was a $33 million gross loss in our earnings presentation, we broke out what the impact was that we had on the reserve there. So $19 million reserve. So the net difference that was affecting book value this quarter and that's running through GAAP earnings would be $14 million.

So is the right way to look at that is that $51 million loan was fully reserved for and then it was sold for like $33 million?

It was a $19 million reserve on a $51 million loan.

Okay. Maybe we can take this offline later and just dig a little bit deeper. So I guess the other question I have here. So you guys talked about how the top 2 loans, I think you said were 75% of that problem loan bucket. So should we expect new originations going forward to be smaller in size? And it looks like the dynamic with third quarter originations is exactly playing out like that. So just curious how you guys are thinking about loan sizing on new originations going forward.

Yes. It's a good question, Chris. I think that a couple of factors to take into account. One, with respect to the originations post quarter end, self-storage assets are generally going to be smaller in nature. I think structurally, we've also grown the rest of our platform such that we have a broader array of origination opportunities and capital sources in front of us today, and we have the potential to maybe split loans between those vehicles. And I think what that should lead to is better diversification while continuing to target the institutional borrower set institutional assets throughout the U.S. So I think the average ticket that goes into ACRE will likely come down to some degree, but we will maintain a bias towards the institutional asset class.

And it appears we have no further questions today. Mr. Donohoe, I'd like to turn things back to you, sir, for any closing comments.

Appreciate it, sir. And I just want to thank everybody for their time today. We appreciate your continued support of Ares Commercial Real Estate. We look forward to speaking with you all on our next earnings call. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Donohoe. Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes our conference call for today. If you missed any part of today's call, an archived replay of this conference will be available approximately 1 hour after the end of this call through September 5, 2025, to domestic callers by dialing 1 (800) 677-7085 and to international callers by dialing 1 (402) 220-0665. An archived replay will also be available on a webcast link located on the homepage of the Investor Resources section of our website. Again, thanks so much for joining us, everyone, and we wish you all a great day. Goodbye.