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Antelope Enterprise Holdings Limited (AEHL)

Q1 2013 Earnings Call· Tue, May 14, 2013

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Operator

Operator

Good morning my name is Kimberley and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the China Ceramics First Quarter 2013 Earnings Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks there will be a question-and-answer session. (Operator Instructions) Thank you, Mr. David Rudnick. You may begin your conference.

David Rudnick

Management

Thank you, Kimberley. Good morning ladies and gentlemen and good evening to those of you who are joining us from China. Welcome to China Ceramics first quarter 2013 earnings conference call. With us today are China Ceramics', Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Mr. Jia Dong Huang and the Chief Financial Officer, Mr. Edmund Hen. Before I turn the call over to Mr. Huang, I remind all listeners that during this call management's prepared remarks contain forward-looking statements which are subject to risk and uncertainties and management may make additional forward-looking statements in response to your questions. Therefore the company claims protection of the Safe Harbor for forward-looking statements that is contained in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Actual results may differ from those discussed today and we refer you to a more detailed discussion of the risks and uncertainties with the company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. In addition, any projections as the company's future performance represents management's estimates as of today, May 14th, 2013. China Ceramics assumes no obligation to update these projections in the future as market conditions changed. To supplement its financial results presented in accordance with IFRS, management may make reference to certain non-GAAP financial measures, which the company believes provide meaningful additional information to understand the company's performance. The statement reconciling any non-GAAP measures to nearest GAAP equivalents can be found on the earnings press release issued earlier today. And now, it is my pleasure to turn the call over to China Ceramics Chairman and CEO, Mr. Jia Dong Huang; and China Ceramics CFO, Mr. Edmund Hen. CCG's Mabel Zhang will be translating for Mr. Huang. Mr. Huang, you may proceed.

Jia Dong Huang

Management

Thank you, David. On behalf of the company I would like to welcome everyone to our first quarter 2013 earnings conference call. We recorded lower than expected financial results for the first quarter of 2013 due to continued challenging market conditions in China's real estate and construction markets. These conditions resulted in a decrease in the sales volume and average selling price of our ceramic tile products for the quarter. The intensified price competition that has occurred in our sector caused us to reduce the price of our products to retain market share beginning in the fourth quarter of 2012. While our pricing has begun to improve, our strategy to reduce prices on some of our products continued to affect our financial results in the first quarter. Though we were able to generate positive cash flow, this pricing strategy to retain our market position caused a decline in revenue and gross margin, which resulted in a net loss for the quarter. Given that our financial results were due to a general contraction in our sector, we believe that we have retained our competitive positioning and are well positioned for a turnaround in the market. In order to further adjust to the current market conditions and reduce operating costs, we shut down additional plant capacity in the first quarter. We are currently utilizing production facilities capable of producing 20 million square meters per year, a decrease from the total annual production capacity of 56 million square meters utilized in the fourth quarter of 2012. We will continue to monitor the macro environment for signs of an inflection point and we are confident that our modern and efficient production capacity will enable us to generate superior performance once conditions improve. We are confident that urbanization and demographic trends in China are a long-term phenomenon, and will lead to arising future demand for our products, as current real estate fluctuations, moderate overtime. We continue to be strategically proficient as a producer of high-end ceramic tiles that are becoming a standard in many new construction and development projects. Even as our -- even as we adapt measure in the short-term to enable us to reach our customers more effectively. We are confident that our branding and positioning will enable us to successfully execute upon our long-term strategies, which is to be a preeminent producer of specialized building material products. At this time, I'd like to turn over the call to the company's Chief Financial Officer, Mr. Edmund Hen, who will discuss the company's earnings results in more detail. Thank you.

Edmund Hen

Management

Thank you, Mr. Huang. I will now move on to a more detailed discussion of our preliminary financial results for the first quarter end March 31st, 2013. Our revenue for the first quarter of 2013 was RMB 149.2 million or US$24 million, down 59.9% from the first quarter of 2012. The year-over-year decrease in revenue was due to a 47.9% decrease in the sales volume of ceramic tiles to 6.1 million square meters in the first quarter of 2012 as compared to the year-ago quarter, as well as a 23.3% decrease in the company's average selling price versus the comparable year-ago quarter. We attribute the reduced sales volume in the quarter to the challenging business conditions in China's construction sector, and the decrease in our average selling price to competitive pressures and our strategy to hold our market position. Gross profits for the first quarter of 2013 was RMB 5.1 million or US$1.8 million as compared to RMB 113 million or US$18 million for the fourth quarter of 2012. The year-over-year decrease in gross profit was due to lower sales volumes and the decrease in the average sales price of our ceramic tiles in the most recent quarter. Our gross profit margin for the first quarter was 3.4% compared to 30.4% for the same period of 2011 and was caused primarily by a decrease in the average selling price of ceramic tiles in the quarter, bringing further loss from operations before taxes for the first quarter of 2013 of RMB 6.5 million or US$1.1 million, as compared to earnings from operations before taxes of RMB 96.6 million or US$15.4 million in the first quarter of 2012, although, we had a positive EBITDA of RMB 11.5 million or US$1.9 million for the first quarter. We reported a net loss of RMB…

Operator

Operator

(Operator Instructions) Your first question comes from the line of Howard Flinker. Howard Flinker - Flinker & Co.: I've a few questions, Edmund. First, what was your capital expenditures be for the rest of the year?

Edmund Hen

Management

That probably will be to the minimum within RMB 10 million or RMB 15 million range I think, because most of them would be used to replace whole equipment or have some modifications for the existing procurement. Howard Flinker - Flinker & Co.: Okay. Second, while you were talking, I calculated roughly your run rate of sales for April and May and the higher price, and tried to calculate what you might earn for the June quarter. My guess, please correct me if I'm wrong. My guess is that you might earn in June quarter what you did earn in the December quarter, is that approximately correct, the current production rates and current prices?

Edmund Hen

Management

Can you repeat your question? I'm sorry. Howard Flinker - Flinker & Co.: Yeah, you mentioned what your sales volume and units would be for April and May. So I added June at the same rate, and then I added a higher price to the raised price since December, or since January, and I tried to guess at what your profits might be at that rate, my assumptions of course, not yours. What your profits might be in the June quarter, and it looks like the profits would be in the June quarter at that rate what they were in the December quarter. Is that approximately correct?

Edmund Hen

Management

This is very difficult to say at this moment and though we've not finalized all this roughly in June. Yeah. Howard Flinker - Flinker & Co.: Yes, I know. I'll state it in another way. At the current run rate are you in the black?

Edmund Hen

Management

The current rate? Howard Flinker - Flinker & Co.: Yes.

Edmund Hen

Management

And what would be there for the second quarter this year will be a bit of factor and we can only tell you after all this has been finished. Howard Flinker - Flinker & Co.: A little bit better would be a small profit in other words, right?

Edmund Hen

Management

Yeah. Howard Flinker - Flinker & Co.: And finally there's a calculation that some old timers like me engage in. It's called networking capital, which is basically current assets minus all liabilities, not only short-term liabilities, all of them and for your company it comes up to US$4.60 a share. It's also known as networking capital or net-net in the United States. Is there any way you could use your balance sheet to gain more customers from your competitors are obviously in hurting as well or worse than you?

Edmund Hen

Management

You mean in China? Howard Flinker - Flinker & Co.: Yeah.

Edmund Hen

Management

I think in China it's a very different situation. It's a vertical go to, use the banner and ship to a trader to have better relationship with our customers. And it's just a very different way to do business in China. Howard Flinker - Flinker & Co.: So you can't for example extend better terms to your customers or faster delivery because you can stock more goods. Can you do that or not?

Edmund Hen

Management

We can do that. But that will not be a very large portion for our business. Only a few percentage of, a few customer or supply would like to look at it in such way. Howard Flinker - Flinker & Co.: Actually I've one more question. Have any of your competitor shutdown capacity or closed altogether?

Edmund Hen

Management

Yeah, some of our small competitors has already stopped down their production facility and even closed it. Some of them even closed down their business. Howard Flinker - Flinker & Co.: And some of the large ones have very reduced capacity the way you did or not?

Edmund Hen

Management

Yes they do. Howard Flinker - Flinker & Co.: Okay. And those are my only questions. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from the line of Steven Martin.

Steven Martin - Slater Capital Management

Analyst

Yes, I apologize I'm on a cell phone. As a follow-up to the previous caller's question, what efforts can you make to reduce your inventory further and your receivables, because while sales were down dramatically inventory is still very high?

Edmund Hen

Management

As you know, we've decreased selling price in December and January in order to maintain certain levels of the relationship with our customers. And from now, we just also slowed down our capacity, and we believe before we have give up our spare capacity, we have to go to decrease our inventory. And that means we tried to defer our inventory as much as possible in the coming quarters, before we use our fair capacity in our country.

Steven Martin - Slater Capital Management

Analyst

Let me ask the question this way. Should we expect that your inventory at June 30th is going to be lower than inventory of March 31st?

Edmund Hen

Management

We believe we have much reasonable inventory level in the end of June.

Steven Martin - Slater Capital Management

Analyst

Okay. And should be expect that receivables will continue to come down ragging the sale secrets?

Edmund Hen

Management

We're trying our best and also we believe that the receivables will be much better in the coming quarters.

Steven Martin - Slater Capital Management

Analyst

Therefore our cash balance in June should be higher especially since you're not going to build any -- you're not going to spend anymore CapEx?

Edmund Hen

Management

Yeah, we do not have very aggressive plan to expand on the CapEx.

Steven Martin - Slater Capital Management

Analyst

Okay. Can you talk to us about your efforts to sell internationally and the arrangement you made with that government organization and that you're now still, I guess it was four or five months ago?

Edmund Hen

Management

Yes. We're still following up with the customer. And we also, the fortune is some time to follow-up especially just after the Chinese New Year. We hope we will have some orders from them in the coming quarter or very soon. And at this moment just after Chinese New Year for about two months, so a lot of things have to be follow-up at this moment.

Operator

Operator

(Operator Instructions) You've a follow-up question from the line of Howard Flinker. Howard Flinker - Flinker & Co.: Did you say to me your CapEx for the rest of the year retained to RMB 15 million or for the whole year will be RMB 10 million to RMB 15 million?

Edmund Hen

Management

We have no forecast on this except CapEx at this moment. But we believe that we'll be around that range and most of them will be used for this replacement or modification for the existing procurement. Howard Flinker - Flinker & Co.: That range for what period? For the 9 months or for the 12 months?

Edmund Hen

Management

For the nine months.

Operator

Operator

And there are no further questions at this time. (Operator Instructions) There are no further questions. I'd now like to turn the call back over to Mr. David Rudnick.

David Rudnick

Management

Okay. Thank you, Kimberley. On the behalf of the entire China Ceramic's management team we would like to thank all of you for your interest and participation on this call. This concludes China Ceramics first quarter 2013 earnings conference call. Thank you all very much.

Operator

Operator

That does conclude the call. You may now disconnect.