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Q2 2013 Earnings Call· Fri, Aug 9, 2013

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, and welcome to the Assured Guaranty Ltd. Second Quarter 2013 Earnings Conference Call and Webcast. [Operator Instructions] Please note, this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Robert Tucker, Managing Director, Investor Relations and Corporate Communications. Please go ahead.

Robert S. Tucker

Analyst · UBS

Thank you, operator. Good morning, and thank you for joining Assured Guaranty for our Second Quarter 2013 Financial Results Conference Call. Today's presentation is made pursuant to the Safe Harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. It may contain forward-looking statements about our new business and credit outlooks, market conditions, credit spreads, financial ratings, loss reserves, financial results, future rep and warranty settlement agreements or other items that may affect our future results. These statements are subject to change due to new information or future events. Therefore, you should not place undue reliance on them, as we do not undertake any obligation to publicly update or revise them, except as required by law. If you're listening to a replay of this call or if you're reading the transcript of the call, please note that our statements made today may have been updated since this call. Please refer to the Investor Information section of our website for our recent presentations, SEC filings, most current financial filings and for the risk factors. In turning to the presentation, our speakers today are Dominic Frederico, President and Chief Executive Officer of Assured Guaranty Ltd.; and Rob Bailenson, our Chief Financial Officer. After their remarks, we will open the call to your questions. [Operator Instructions] I will now turn the call over to Dominic.

Dominic J. Frederico

Analyst · Dowling & Partners

Thank you, Robert. And welcome to everyone attending today's call. I'd like to start the call by discussing 2 important developments that were part of our 2013 three-prong new strategic initiatives. First, we increased our capital flexibility by obtaining permission from the Maryland and New York insurance regulators for our direct financial guaranty subsidiaries to reassume contingency reserves previously ceded to AG Re. And secondly, we launched MAC, the new municipal bond insurance platform we promised in January. For my first point, AGC and AGM expect to reassume the contingency reserves from AG Re over a 3-year period. Reassumptions permit AG Re to reduce collateral that was required to secure its reinsurance liabilities to AGC and AGM by approximately $171 million in 2013 and by $517 million in total over 3 years. Additionally, AGM and AGC will not cede contingency reserves to AG Re in the future. The reassumptions have no impact on the statutory capital, the rating agency capital of AGC and AGM, as the contingency reserves are considered part of statutory capital of each company. The second important development was the launch of Municipal Assurance Corporation. MAC is intended to expand market demand for bond insurance by appealing to issuers and investors who prefer a bond insurer with exposure to only the most familiar and well-understood types of U.S. municipal bonds such as general obligations, tax-backed issues and public electric, water, sewer and transportation revenue bonds. MAC's profile is unique in the industry. It starts out with $111 billion of 100% investment-grade, geographically diversified portfolio of U.S. municipal bonds, which is reinsured from our 2 other U.S. subsidiaries AGM and AGC. In addition to ceding business to MAC, AGM and AGC have provided approximately $800 million in cash and securities to capitalize the new company and become its…

Robert A. Bailenson

Analyst · Dowling & Partners

Thank you, Dominic. And good morning to everyone on the call. Operating income for the second quarter of 2013 was $98 million. This brings our year-to-date operating income to $358 million, which is a 94% increase over the 6-month period of June 30, 2012. Second quarter 2013 operating income was lower than second quarter 2012 largely due to the scheduled amortization of the insurance portfolio and lower premium accelerations, offset in part by reduced losses and other expenses. On a year-to-date basis, operating income benefited from various settlement agreements, including UBS, while 2012 reflected losses on Greek [ph] exposures. On a per share basis, operating income was $0.52 for the second quarter of 2013, and $1.87 on a year-to-date basis. During the second quarter of 2013, we repurchased 9.6 million shares at an average price of $21.42 per share, bringing our year-to-date repurchases to 11.5 million shares or $244 million. On a per share basis, our share buyback added $1.65 to adjusted book value, $0.66 to operating book value and $0.20 to GAAP book value. Share repurchases added $0.02 to second quarter operating income per share and $0.04 to our year-to-date operating income per share. We have $71 million left in our current share buyback authorization, which we will use at our discretion. One of the most important drivers of our ability to execute future share repurchases is the level of unencumbered assets at AG Re, our Bermuda reinsurance subsidiary which is the primary source of cash for the holding company. As of July 31, 2013, AG Re had unencumbered assets available for dividends of approximately $280 million. However, the amount of unencumbered assets varies each quarter based on changes in both the amount of ceded reserves and the fair value of the underlying assets in the reinsurance trust. Our…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And our first question comes from Geoff Dunn of Dowling & Partners. Geoffrey M. Dunn - Dowling & Partners Securities, LLC: First, could you comment? The ratio of PVP to par dropped off significantly this quarter. Can you discuss what drove that? It didn't look like the average rating changed that much.

Dominic J. Frederico

Analyst · Dowling & Partners

No, but it really does break down the -- by issuers in terms of who's in the market and, obviously, the rates and spreads at the time. So it's more reflective of the type of business and the current market conditions than anything else, Geoff. Geoffrey M. Dunn - Dowling & Partners Securities, LLC: Would that be expected to rebound in the third quarter? Or with rates changing, et cetera, are we looking at a lower run rate there?

Dominic J. Frederico

Analyst · Dowling & Partners

I think, we'll rebound as rates change and spreads widen, and which we've seen a little bit of that at the end of the quarter. Geoffrey M. Dunn - Dowling & Partners Securities, LLC: Okay. And then could you again explain what you expect to happen to AG Re's unencumbered assets? I didn't quite fully understand that. So the third quarter impact, you said I think, you believe it's going to decline.

Robert A. Bailenson

Analyst · Dowling & Partners

Yes. I mean, Geoff, we have about $280 million of unencumbered assets at AG Re. We also have $47 million at the holding company. As you know, AG Re is the significant supporter of the dividends to the holding company for our equity dividend. And AG Re did assume $175 million of pension obligation bonds from Detroit, that Dominic mentioned, from the ceding company. And as required under our reinsurance agreements, when we are ceded a loss reserve or central loss reserve on a board row, we're required to put those assets in trust. We are expecting to be ceded a loss reserve on that obligation, we just don’t know the number at this time.

Dominic J. Frederico

Analyst · Dowling & Partners

The second thing, Geoff, too, is remember, these are in collateral trust that are represented by securities. So as interest rates change and the valuation of those securities change, it requires us, in a rising interest rate environment, to top up the trust. Obviously, in a declining interest rate environment, with a fixed income portfolio, you'd see gains in the portfolio. So both of those are kind of a drain on the free assets that we have to anticipate and try to plan for, quarter to quarter, making sure we still enough cushion to pay the necessary dividend expenses, et cetera. At least for the time being, while we still rely on AG Re as the principal source of cash flow to the parent company. Geoffrey M. Dunn - Dowling & Partners Securities, LLC: Okay. So from a high level, you guys have been very aggressive with returning capital to date. You've made progress on capitalizing MAC and restructuring AG Re this quarter. How do we think about the pace of capital return, if you still find the stock attractive? Is this is something where we're running into a slowdown in activity? Or do you think your resources will continue to support a good cliff of repurchase business?

Dominic J. Frederico

Analyst · Dowling & Partners

Well, remember, we had a strategy to address this, right? So first and foremost, we've looked first to our ratings and make sure that anything we do relative to the return of capital has no impact on ratings. The second thing we have to do is look at the liquidity of the free unencumbered assets currently at AG Re, right? As we said, we have a three-pronged strategy. We accomplished 2 out of the 3 in the quarter, the launch of MAC and the restructuring, at least from a contingency reserve and reinsurance part with both New York and Maryland. We still have the third component of the restructuring, which we didn't refer to in the quarter because it hasn't been completed yet. There are some administrative issues and issues relative to global regulation that have to be resolved, and we hope to get them resolved in the near term, which would then take this pressure off of AG Re. So in the meantime, we have to look at AG Re, manage accordingly, as Rob said, the available or free cash flow and, obviously, maintain our ratings and then, to the extent we have the free cash flow and we're comfortable with the ratings, provide that as part of our official capital -- efficient capital management, which is absolutely the return of capital to the shareholders.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Sean Dargan of Macquarie.

Sean Dargan - Macquarie Research

Analyst · Macquarie

I just want to follow up on what Dominic was just talking about, the third component. And it sounds like global regulators are involved. Can you give us any more color on what form this may take to enable you to not have to pay the withholding tax in bringing capital out of the U.S.?

Dominic J. Frederico

Analyst · Macquarie

I figured you can kind of follow that lead, right? So we said it involves a restructuring, we said it involves a regulator's sign off and approval. And as we're ready to announce exactly what we've -- we've obviously chosen a strategic direction. We've done the majority of the required applications, et cetera. And we're now in the final stages and just resolving some open issues relative to, basically, administrative and global regulation, which we hope to finally resolve in this quarter. And as we get that done, you can figure that it involves a restructuring and, therefore, it provides a greater liquidity of capital through the entire organization.

Sean Dargan - Macquarie Research

Analyst · Macquarie

And the news flow out of Detroit has been pretty steady and sometimes confusing. Can you just tell us where this -- I guess there's a federalism issue. Can you just tell us where this stands in terms of state court and how it looks like it's going -- how this proceeding is going to go forward?

Dominic J. Frederico

Analyst · Macquarie

Well, you're basically in untested waters, right? So historically, the full pledge of taxing resources or taxing authority and full faith and credit and resources has typically been considered secured and always has been worked out, as opposed to eliminated or written down. Obviously, the early indications out of Detroit was they were not going to honor that, they were going to treat the ULT bonds or the tax-backed bonds as unsecured creditors. A lot of people quote, "Well, this is protected by the state constitution, much like retirement benefits." Well, so is the bond obligations. And the tricky part here is, as you apply for bankruptcy, you're now in federal court, not state court. And therefore, the state constitution would typically be secondary to the federal. Federal trumps state, typically, in a federal bankruptcy proceeding, so that is where the confusion lies. We look at it on a broader basis, so, "Hang on a second, this full faith and credit pledge is not a promise, it's a pledge." You commit resources to the taxing authority, et cetera, to make sure that these obligations are met, and we don't consider that an unsecured credit. Number two, there was an enormous impact not only to Detroit, but especially to the state of Michigan to the extent that the governor and the legislature do not support the position of, basically, the people that provides funding for valuable infrastructure needs and expansion, et cetera, to those municipalities if you're going to consider them not protected. So there's an issue of federal versus state, there's an issue of what has historically been treated as secured with the true foundation. If you read the language, it appears to provide that lien position, and yet Detroit has chosen a different way. And I think what you've…

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Brian Meredith of UBS.

Brian Meredith - UBS Investment Bank, Research Division

Analyst · UBS

Couple of questions here for you. First, I'm wondering if you could give us what's your total certificate of participation kind of in par exposure is? And how much of that is below investment grade?

Dominic J. Frederico

Analyst · UBS

For Detroit, or for everybody?

Brian Meredith - UBS Investment Bank, Research Division

Analyst · UBS

Just in general. Kind of give a sense of kind of what it's like.

Dominic J. Frederico

Analyst · UBS

Well, I don't have that number off the top of my head. I mean, obviously, we list of all of our large exposures, we list all of our below investment-grade exposures. We did look at that, Brian, I just don't have the number with me.

Brian Meredith - UBS Investment Bank, Research Division

Analyst · UBS

Okay, okay. I'll follow-up on that one.

Dominic J. Frederico

Analyst · UBS

Yes, we would never have released that.

Robert S. Tucker

Analyst · UBS

We'll get back to you.

Brian Meredith - UBS Investment Bank, Research Division

Analyst · UBS

And just a second question. I'm just curious, Dominic, have we seen any kind of change in the pricing in the market given the bands out there now? Is it effective pricing at all?

Dominic J. Frederico

Analyst · UBS

Well, you're seeing, obviously, a widening out of spreads. So you're starting to see pricing change. Obviously, you're seeing it from Michigan because people were saying, "Well, this is a national problem." I view it no, it's a Michigan problem. So certain states do stand behind the financial efficacy of their municipalities. So I think, if you look at what Rhode Island did and you look at what Pennsylvania did, but I think in certain places, yes. And for us, we have to look at our underwriting and our risk acceptance. So you brought up the general fund liabilities like pension certificate, well, obviously, we're no longer into that business. So anyone that was looking at that as a potential source of being able to fund those liabilities because of how Stockton has tried to treat them, how Detroit has tried to treat them, obviously they become no longer underwritable for us. And therefore, those things are going to have a lot tougher time getting placed in the market, if at all, and if so, at what price do they get placed in the market. And so I think everything -- like anything else in any business, your pricing model has to take into consideration all cost. And as the risk cost goes up, the pricing model has to accommodate for that. But in our case, we really do write to a 0 loss ratio, right, so at the end of the day, that becomes a risk that we can no longer do.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And our next question comes from Bill Clark of KBW. William Clark - Keefe, Bruyette, & Woods, Inc., Research Division: Dominic, you mentioned a couple of deals that ended up getting postponed. And you also kind of said it was maybe just a Michigan-only problem. But I'm just wondering if you've seen any kind of movement towards your industry in terms of potentially being able to provide some solutions there, or enhancements, that would help kind of get some of those deals completed.

Dominic J. Frederico

Analyst · KBW

Well, that's a good point. And typically, we would look to provide valuable services and the access to the market, but we have to be in a secured position. So obviously, anything that we would propose has to protect the company, first and foremost. Obviously, underwriting is job one, two, three and four. And therefore, if they're willing to come back to the market in some sort of a secured position and a dedicated revenue position, obviously, we'd be available to help them. William Clark - Keefe, Bruyette, & Woods, Inc., Research Division: Okay. And then on the refundings and terminations, it's kind of come down in a pretty quick pace the last couple of quarters. Just wondering if we've hit a level that you think is kind of sustainable for the near term or it kind of just depends on the interest rate movement and those things and it's just going to bounce around from here.

Dominic J. Frederico

Analyst · KBW

Well, if you look at our strategy for 2013, and it was just similar in '12 and '11, right, it's obviously less reliant on new business because of where interest rates are and spreads are, and overall demand, which we see improving a bit towards the end of the quarter, as I said. But over this last few years, it's been very low. So you're going to have to make your money in a different way. So we've concentrated on rep and warranties, and I think we've been the most successful company in pursuing that strategy and generating significant positive results. We looked at the terminations as both an earnings benefiter because you get to recognize the premium and, at the same time, you're deleveraging the company and, therefore, creating excess capital. Those things don't move uniformly. So therefore, income is going to be lumpy. And as you look at our quarter, it's below consensus. We might argue that people didn't quite factor in Detroit to the level they should have, but it's because we had so much accelerations and recoveries in the first quarter and you don't see that same amount of volume. But we still believe there is a lot of activity and opportunity remaining in the portfolio, at least as we look out over the next, say, 12 to 18 months. And we continue to focus a lot of our resources on exactly the execution of that strategy. And today, it's a lot more focused. We think it will be further assisted as these new capital rules take further hold in Europe, specifically, where we do have a lot of counterparty exposure in Europe, and they're going to need to start to manage the capital exposure differently and therefore, they might want to terminate further deals that we target. At the same time, we're in negotiated settlements where we're dealing with the counterparty and it might be another RMBS issue where we ought to have other exposure with them on a CDS that we try to work everything into a single bundle of, in effect, the remedy to solve the problem. And you've seen a little bit of that in the current quarter. So I think there is still volume out there to be had, but the numbers are going to be lumpy. So it's hard to predict quarter after quarter in terms of what a number would be.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from Scott Frost of Bank of America Merrill Lynch.

Scott Frost - BofA Merrill Lynch, Research Division

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch

I'd like to talk about Kroll a little bit. Kroll, it's a 3-year-old NRSRO run by Jules Kroll but not affiliated with Kroll Inc. that Marsh bought and sold. Why do we believe that investors and issuers will accept Kroll as an alternative to Moody's or Fitch?

Dominic J. Frederico

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Well, I think the market has been looking for alternatives to the existing incumbents based on, obviously, the problems that have been experienced through the financial crisis with the stability or consistency of ratings. Obviously, we believe we're a poster child for that inconsistency. And there are some really interesting numbers. If you look at our numbers as of January 1, 2008, and January 1, 2013, and if you don’t conclude we're a lot stronger a company over that period of time, I don't know what else you could conclude. Our ratings are obviously significantly different than that. But first and foremost, Kroll has been very transparent in their approach to how they rate and their rating methodology, which is out there for anyone to see. So one way you get comfort is you make sure people understand how you approach things and are very clear and transparent about it, which they've done. I think they've been very thorough in the credit work they've done. On the municipal side, for the municipalities they've rated, I think they've put out very, very strong reports. The report that they did on us following their own methodology was obviously very complete and thorough. So they have a very experienced team, if you look at the people that they employ. And as I said, I think the market is looking for someone that's going to be consistent, transparent and stand behind the rating and the methodology. And if you look at the Kroll approach, it's very much deeply embedded in financial strength. And so since these are called our financial strength ratios and really should look to what is the probability of a potential default, then obviously, the lower the probability, the higher the rating. I think they've basically stayed to that knitting, which is I think how you have to look at financial strength ratings. If you want to talk about enterprise ratings more of on an equity basis, then fine, you have the right to make any subjective adjustments you want. But if you're looking at financial strength and the standpoint of an investor bondholder that says, "Will I get paid by timely principal interest? That's the most important thing I have to concern myself with." I think Kroll stayed close to that faith, that religion, in how they look at ratings. So I think there is an opportunity for them. As I said, transparency is king. Clarity is king. And they've taken a consistent approach, and we're happy to have them. And we'd, obviously, welcome other people coming into the market that can know [ph] on the same type of basis.

Scott Frost - BofA Merrill Lynch, Research Division

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Well, that's a -- and that's the other thing that sort of stuck out. I mean, most of the personnel there look like they're former rating agency guys from S&P and Moody's and Fitch...

Dominic J. Frederico

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch

I'd hate to say, a lot of our guys are exactly the same way. There's kind of a training ground...

Scott Frost - BofA Merrill Lynch, Research Division

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Well, that was not a criticism. That was just a -- that's a fact. I mean, as the -- but I'm -- what I'm trying to figure out...

Dominic J. Frederico

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch

You can make it a criticism. I'm okay with that as well.

Scott Frost - BofA Merrill Lynch, Research Division

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch

So what I'm trying to figure out is, I mean, it sounds like what you're saying is this is a -- you think this is a better process than Moody's or Fitch and that's why you chose it. And what I'm trying to figure out is, have -- has the feedback from issuers and, ultimately, investors has been, "Yes, I will accept a lower rate on a rep-ed bond because I believe Kroll's ratings versus, say, Moody's or Fitch or versus an un-rep bond"? I mean, has that been what's been going on? Or what's been sort of the color so far?

Dominic J. Frederico

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Well, I think you need to talk to them, more importantly, about how they believe their market penetration is. But obviously, they've been new to the game. It takes a while to generate critical mass. I think they've been very successful in what they've been able to rate to date. And we can only, much like you, watch and see how strong the acceptance is, how wide their acceptance becomes as they get to rate more things. I think we look at that as a true value, to get in on the kind of ground floor and as it grows, get the benefit of their growth. I'm sure, with Mr. Kroll's success, that he's going to -- with the right resources and make sure this is successful as any of the other venturers that he's done. And we're happy to be a part of it.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from Josh Bederman of Pyrrho Capital.

Josh H. Bederman - Pyrrho Capital Management, LP

Analyst · Pyrrho Capital

Can you -- you guys, on the fourth quarter call, gave an estimate of $800 million of excess capital bond with your AAA rating. Can you update that estimate for where we are now at June 30?

Dominic J. Frederico

Analyst · Pyrrho Capital

Well, the only one that we look at that has given us a capital model that we can actually calculate is Standard & Poor's. And as of their most recent rating, I think they evaluated us with either $500 million or $600 million of excess capital. There are still some questions that we have relative to that capital calculation. There are some strange numbers on RMBS that we'd like to get a further explanation, but I think that's the last number that's been communicated.

Josh H. Bederman - Pyrrho Capital Management, LP

Analyst · Pyrrho Capital

Okay, thanks. And then just one more thing. You said there's about $47 million of unencumbered assets at the holdco, $280 million at AG Re, but that might go down. You're working on the structural changes here, so what else -- what do you guys look at as the kind of unencumbered assets that will be available post the finalization of all the administrative stuff of the restructuring?

Dominic J. Frederico

Analyst · Pyrrho Capital

Well, that number is going to be significant because, remember, if you pay -- from my comments, we got roughly $170 million of contingency reserve released in the current period. However, there is an agreement at AG Re will no longer have to post any contingency reserves. And that number, in the aggregate, including the $170 million, is $517 million. So our expectation is that over the next 2 years, the remainder of that gets released. So obviously that would significant free cash flow to AG Re.

Robert A. Bailenson

Analyst · Pyrrho Capital

In addition -- we will -- we have 2 operating subsidiaries in the U.S. and we can dividend up to the holding company. And assuming we get what we want to get accomplished, that money could be used as well.

Josh H. Bederman - Pyrrho Capital Management, LP

Analyst · Pyrrho Capital

And what's that figure?

Robert A. Bailenson

Analyst · Pyrrho Capital

We -- I mean...

Dominic J. Frederico

Analyst · Pyrrho Capital

It's in the Q.[indiscernible].

Robert A. Bailenson

Analyst · Pyrrho Capital

It's in the Q. We have a 10% -- you can dividend up to 10% of its statutory surplus. And so that number is about -- I would -- I think it's about $200 million a year, both companies.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from Larry Vitale of Moore Capital.

Lawrence R. Vitale - Moore Capital Management, LP

Analyst · Moore Capital

I just had a couple of follow-ups. The $87 million of economic loss, can you break that down? Detroit, RMBS and then you said there were some recoveries in there as well.

Dominic J. Frederico

Analyst · Moore Capital

Yes, Larry. It -- there's a ton of adjustments or positives and negatives. The predominate charge in the quarter, though, is good old Detroit.

Lawrence R. Vitale - Moore Capital Management, LP

Analyst · Moore Capital

Okay, all right. And then rep and warranty reserves -- or sorry, the rep and warranty cases that you're involved with, what's left? You've settled a lot of these things.

Dominic J. Frederico

Analyst · Moore Capital

We still have some of the old boys left. So in the quarter, we settled 2, we're close to a third. Obviously, the big boy is Crédit Suisse, who is probably the most -- in terms of par left. But then remember, we told you we still have the swap side open with Deutsche Bank. We have the swap side open with Bank of America. We have a couple other small guys in there. So there's probably about 3 or 4 still left, of which Crédit Suisse and the swaps on Deutsche Bank are the 2 largest.

Lawrence R. Vitale - Moore Capital Management, LP

Analyst · Moore Capital

Okay, all right. And then my last question is your $175 million reinsurance exposure to Detroit, you expect to get loss reserves ceded to you. Do you have any idea how much that might be, if you could ballpark it for us? And then are you required to collateralize those on a dollar-for-dollar basis? So if you get $100 million ceded to you, you have to put up collateral of $100 million? I'm just making that number up.

Dominic J. Frederico

Analyst · Moore Capital

No, you're fine. So there's 2 questions in there. Question a, we have a view of what the losses were, right, in terms of how this will proceed. And obviously, we'll discuss that with the ceding company because we have to follow their fortunes. But to your latter question, you're exactly right, if they advise us of a case reserve, we have to post that amount of collateral whether we agree or not agree with the amount of the case reserve being advised.

Operator

Operator

This concludes our question-and-answer session. I'd like to turn the conference back over to Mr. Tucker for any closing marks.

Robert S. Tucker

Analyst · UBS

Thank you, operator. I'd like to thank everybody for joining us on today's call. If you have additional questions, please feel free to give us a call. Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.