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Alaska Air Group, Inc. (ALK)

Q2 2018 Earnings Call· Thu, Jul 26, 2018

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Operator

Operator

Good morning. My name is Amber, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Alaska Air Group Second Quarter Earnings Release Conference Call. Today's call is being recorded and will be accessible for future playback at www.alaskaair.com. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session for analysts. Thank you. I would now like to turn the call over to Alaska Air Group's Director of Investor Relations, Matt Grady.

Matt Grady - Alaska Air Group, Inc.

Management

Thanks, Amber. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us for our second quarter 2018 earnings call. On the call today, our CEO, Brad Tilden, will provide an overview of the business; Andrew Harrison, our Chief Commercial Officer, will share an update on our revenue results and outlook; and our CFO, Brandon Pedersen, will discuss our cost performance and cash flows. Several other members of our management team are also on hand to help answer your questions. Earlier this morning, Alaska Air Group reported second quarter GAAP net income of $193 million. Excluding merger related costs and mark-to-market fuel hedging adjustments, Air Group reported adjusted net income of $206 million and adjusted earnings per share of $1.66 ahead of the First Call consensus. As a reminder, our comments today will include forward-looking statements regarding our future expectations, which may differ significantly from actual results. Information on risk factors that could affect our business can be found in our SEC filings. On today's call, we will refer to certain non-GAAP financial measures such as adjusted earnings and unit costs excluding fuel. And as usual, we have provided a reconciliation between the most directly comparable GAAP and non-GAAP measures in our earnings release. And now, I will turn the call over to Brad.

Bradley D. Tilden - Alaska Air Group, Inc.

Management

Thanks, Matt, and good morning everyone. We're halfway through 2018 and 19 months have passed since our merger closed. We're very pleased with the operational and customer service performance of the company and we're very happy to have the vast majority of our systems and processes and facilities integrated and have this work done at a pace that is equal to or more rapid than virtually every other merger in the industry. But we're not satisfied with our financial performance and we're working hard to lean out our cost structure and to achieve revenues in the marketplace that the – that recover the much higher fuel prices that every airline is experiencing. Fuel prices have been steadily increasing for 10 quarters now and they are about $1 per gallon higher than they were in the first quarter of 2016. At our volumes, that means we have about $850 million of cost increases. It may be that the early 2016 prices were unusually low, but it's clear that we have higher costs and we need to be focused on taking actions that help us recover these higher costs. Mergers are complicated as anyone who's been involved in one can attest. Ours has required significant focus and has brought our front line employees through a period of considerable change, transition and growth. At the same time we've been managing rising fuel prices, significant network expansion and elevated competition. Our team has been resilient and has secured a number of important accomplishments that have laid the foundation for our long-term growth and success. As we sit here today, we believe we've now passed through the inflection point of the merger and while we have a lot of work ahead of us to lean out our cost structure and drive revenues higher, we feel…

Andrew R. Harrison - Alaska Air Group, Inc.

Management

Thanks, Brad, and good morning, everyone. Total revenues for the second quarter rose 3% to $2.2 billion on capacity growth of 7.8%. As we shared on our last call, the second quarter reflected our highest capacity growth of the year, the highest competitive capacity growth of the year and a difficult comp with Easter. In addition, we had a significant increase in award travel following our conversion to a single reservation system in April. As you know, the conversion went flawlessly from an operational perspective, but it did release pent-up demand for award redemptions on our broader network. In fact, redemptions grew by 22%. Our goal is to make award travel easy for our guests, but we need to balance that with the revenue dilution it creates. We've already made the adjustments necessary to award seats and redemption prices so that the impact of higher award redemptions will moderate by the fourth quarter. So while we are not happy with our unit revenues, we believe they represent the low point of our march towards stronger revenues and margins during the second half of the year and into 2019. Before turning to the future, I'd like to provide more color on our results, roughly 3 points of our 5 point RASM decline was driven by same-store markets and the remaining 2 points resulted from new markets, and I'll address each of these separately. First, same-store markets or markets in operation longer than 12 months, 1 point of the decline came from the shift in the timing of Easter, while another 1.5 points came from the increase in award redemption activity I just mentioned. And while we had budgeted for 50 basis points of dilution from award travel, the rapid acceleration in redemptions in May and June led to an additional 100…

Brandon S. Pedersen - Alaska Air Group, Inc.

Management

Thanks, Andrew. Good morning, everyone. As you've seen Air Group posted a second quarter adjusted net profit of $206 million or $1.66 a share. Our pre-tax margin was about 13%, an 11 point decline from last year. These results reflect the revenue pressures we faced, markedly higher fuel prices and a step function increase in payroll costs. I'm going to echo the theme that you heard already, that these results are not the "new normal" for Alaska. We're working hard to improve the returns that this business can generate. I too want to offer a bit more color on our decision to scale back 2019 growth. We believe the slower growth rate makes sense because with fuel and industry capacity at current levels we just don't see the same opportunity to produce the returns we're seeking. We're solidly in returns improvement mode and 2% growth helps us get there because it will improve our ability to manage fares in a way that will help cover the cost increases we've seen. Like our 4% plan before it, the 2% plan lets us leverage the considerable growth that we've had over the last five years, but demonstrates once again that Alaska is willing to right-size capacity when needed. You've heard about the important initiatives that the commercial team is working on, on the cost side of the house we're demonstrating better cost control than we've seen in about two years. We're having a good year in almost all divisions as people embrace the hard work of cost management. There are new processes that occur daily to manage productivity in our operation. Our marketing team gets a shout-out for beating what I would say was an aggressive plan through 6 months and our call center team is not just under plan, but 4%…

Operator

Operator

Your first question comes from the line of Rajeev Lalwani with Morgan Stanley. Rajeev Lalwani - Morgan Stanley & Co. LLC: Good morning, gentlemen.

Bradley D. Tilden - Alaska Air Group, Inc.

Management

Good morning.

Brandon S. Pedersen - Alaska Air Group, Inc.

Management

Good morning, Rajeev. Rajeev Lalwani - Morgan Stanley & Co. LLC: Brandon, a question for you. You're obviously pulling in your capacity growth quite a bit going into next year. Is that going – creating sort of a CASM problem, do you think you could do a lot to down or I don't know if that's guidance, but I think your target was to sort of do that. And then just relating to that, I don't think your CapEx numbers change despite pulling in capacity, so just some color on both of those would be great?

Benito Minicucci - Alaska Air Group, Inc.

Analyst

Hey, Rajeev, this is Ben Minicucci. Normally, Brandon would take that CASM question, but I think I'm going to start and have Brandon chime in. Simply because on the operations side we drive mainly the execution part of the cost side and what I want to say is from me, I am totally committed and my leadership team is totally committed and accountable to achieving our CASM targets, maybe just a few points just to reiterate from the script. First, we are past the biggest part of the integration. And so, we are now squarely focused on running this operation well, and while I say as a well-run operation has lower costs and on top of that we don't buy our performance. So that is something that after this integration, we are fully focused on that. Second is this network schedule, we are working hand-in-hand with Andrew in getting this network schedule right, optimizing it for revenue and profit as well as cost and productivity is critical for us as we calibrate our growth to 2%. Third, and I am going to put another exclamation point on this, is getting back to this high productivity. As we have always had high productivity in our history and we are going back to our peak levels that we've had pre-integration. My team's every division has clear goals on productivity. For this year, you've seen good cost performance this year on productivity. And as we're developing the 2019 budget, our productivity goals are clear and we're managing this at the daily and weekly level so that we can make adjustments as we go. We're not waiting till the end of the month. And lastly, we're going to attack overhead. We got initiatives on healthcare, crew hotel costs and management headcounts. So with all of that, we're feeling confident on how we're going to attack CASM with our 2% growth that we're putting in place.

Brandon S. Pedersen - Alaska Air Group, Inc.

Management

Hey, Rajeev, it's Brandon, good morning, I'll take the second part of the question. Your question was, did CapEx come down, given the lower growth rate? The answer is no. Although we were looking at that just yesterday, I will remind you that we brought our 2019 CapEx guide down to $750 million from like $1.2 billion or something like that. That was a big move. At this point, I think we're through with our aircraft delivery stream restructuring. What we're going to do to accommodate the lower capacity is just try to get the mods done and the paints done more quickly, which I think is ultimately great for the guest experience and great for our ability to get through the integration fully and on to better things. Rajeev Lalwani - Morgan Stanley & Co. LLC: Thanks. Just a brief follow-up. Ben, I appreciate your thoughts and your color, but what does it actually means for unit cost going forward? I mean, can we do sort of flattish, down, just some color? Brandon, that's for you as well, obviously?

Brandon S. Pedersen - Alaska Air Group, Inc.

Management

Yeah, I might jump in. Ben did a good job listing all of the things that we're working on the cost side. What I would say is we had a very aggressive planning mindset around costs coming out of the integration to get those to be flat to down on 4% growth. What I can tell you is things are different around here in terms of our mindset about costs following the integration, as I said. We have no less vigor in the aggressiveness with which we're working in the cost planned, we just have fewer ASMs now to spread those costs over. So we're going to get into the budget process and we'll see where that ultimately takes us.

Bradley D. Tilden - Alaska Air Group, Inc.

Management

And Brandon, this Investor Day, is that your...

Brandon S. Pedersen - Alaska Air Group, Inc.

Management

Yeah.

Bradley D. Tilden - Alaska Air Group, Inc.

Management

...target for 2019 cost guidance.

Brandon S. Pedersen - Alaska Air Group, Inc.

Management

Yeah, exactly. Rajeev Lalwani - Morgan Stanley & Co. LLC: Okay. I'll leave it there. Thanks, guys.

Bradley D. Tilden - Alaska Air Group, Inc.

Management

Thanks, Rajeev.

Brandon S. Pedersen - Alaska Air Group, Inc.

Management

Thanks, Rajeev.

Operator

Operator

Your next question is from the line of Michael Linenberg with Deutsche Bank.

Michael Linenberg - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.

Analyst

Yeah, hey. Two kind of network questions here. Andrew, maybe you can help, and Brad, you can chime in as well. When I look at some of the capacity changes that you've made, it's good you're trying to do the right thing and it looks like markets that maybe aren't as relative accretive or even maybe they're relative diluted that you are backing off of. And when I look at a market like Chicago to the West Coast and you scale back maybe to one or two flights a day, on one hand, it may become a more profitable market on one hand and yet, you run the risk of becoming less relevant. And I mean you look at the competition in that market and some of your competitors may have half a dozen or even a dozen flights a day with some bigger airplanes. So can you talk about your thought there? Maybe you just want to cater to that loyal Alaska passenger who – rather than it's the Chicago passenger or you've got less connecting passengers, I mean does that become a potential concern? How does that weigh on your thinking on some of these cutbacks because some of them are pretty deep?

Andrew R. Harrison - Alaska Air Group, Inc.

Management

Yeah. Thanks for the question. I think big picture number one, the network is a very complicated and evolving puzzle piece. And again, without getting too deep into the weeds, but what you are and what you will continue to see, a deeper off-peak demand cuts, especially on the seasonal flying. You're going to see less redeyes at these fuel prices. And you're going to see us, especially with the Dallas Love Field, for instance, going to the East, getting out of Havana. And as I shared on the prior call, we, for the first time, over the last little bit, have started taking down the legacy Virgin Network where we felt like the capacity and the markets we were flying weren't the right ones. We though – all the adjustments we're making, we believe strategically are still strong. We're going to pick and choose as we go along here where we're going to cut and grow. But I think in answer to your question, we will be focusing on our strength on the West Coast, we'll be focusing on our growing loyalty base and we're going to be focusing on increasing our unit revenues and profitability.

Bradley D. Tilden - Alaska Air Group, Inc.

Management

And Andrew, I know you and your team have – you do think a lot about utility. We want to have a schedule that works for people. Mike, to your specific question, we're probably do thinking more about the West Coast origin customer as opposed to Mid Continent or East Coast. So we probably don't need the same schedule coverage as somebody who's really focusing hard on both ends. But, yeah, you just try to balance – utility does matter, but you're trying to balance utility, returns on capital and so forth.

Michael Linenberg - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.

Analyst

And this brings up sort of my second question, and I would say that a lot of the things that you just said probably answer this second question. But when I look at Alaska pre-merger, you were spending – the incremental effort beyond Seattle, Portland, et cetera, was growing California secondary cities, and you were building up a nice presence there. You then have the merger with Virgin and now, all of a sudden, you have big presence in California primary cities, notably San Fran, LAX airports. As I see today, on one hand, you've got Southwest breathing down your neck in the secondary markets and you have the legacies in the primary markets, and I've been watching your schedule changes and you're sort of shifting back and forth. I mean, can Alaska maintain a strong presence and relevance in both primary and secondary California markets and still achieve its return objectives? And I sort of premise this with the fact that you have answered some of that in your prior question, but I do look at that as there are some areas there where I suspect you may be struggling.

Bradley D. Tilden - Alaska Air Group, Inc.

Management

Mike, it's Brad. I think you're watching the schedule adjustments we make. What I would go back to is Alaska has real competitive advantage that we believe in. We've got a great balance sheet, a great fleet, our people offer fantastic service, we've been able to run this thing in a way where we do have materially lower cost than the big guys and we translate that into lower fares. So we are big believers in the competitive advantage that Alaska has. You're right, we do fly into both secondary cities in California and with the Virgin acquisition more into SFO and LAX. I don't think we're going to say on this call what our plans are going to be in the future, but our idea in the future is going to be to grow the network consistent with our sense of where the opportunity are – is, where the opportunities are consistent with our own sense of what our competitive advantage is. So maybe that's what we can share today.

Michael Linenberg - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.

Analyst

Okay, great, and I appreciate it. Thank you.

Bradley D. Tilden - Alaska Air Group, Inc.

Management

Yeah, Mike.

Operator

Operator

Your next question is from the line of Duane Pfennigwerth with Evercore.

Duane Pfennigwerth - Evercore ISI

Analyst

Hey, thanks.

Bradley D. Tilden - Alaska Air Group, Inc.

Management

Hey, Duane.

Duane Pfennigwerth - Evercore ISI

Analyst

Can you talk a little bit more or expand on the underlying improvement you referred to in the last 30 days. Was that a State of California specific comment? And to what extent did you bake in that improvement into your 3Q revenue outlook?

Shane R. Tackett - Alaska Air Group, Inc.

Analyst

Yeah, hi, Duane, it's Shane Tackett. Thanks for the question. Yeah, it's primarily been California that we've seen improvement in. That's primarily, and I think, you've probably heard this from others on the close-in fares that are sort of within 21 days of travel, those have lapped some pretty low levels from last year and they're inching up in fact in a number of cases. Demand is super strong, there's lots of people flying still, so it's primarily been driven down in California, yes. And I think we're optimistic just about as we move through Q3 and Q4 not only what we're seeing in sort of the pricing environment is stabilizing a little bit, but all of the revenue initiatives and synergy capture that start to turn on that Andrew alluded to in the script.

Duane Pfennigwerth - Evercore ISI

Analyst

Thanks. And then just for my follow-up, the Saver Fare $100 million estimate, can you just remind us when that starts to turn on and how you get to that estimate? And then maybe just more broadly what are you seeing in terms of the basic economy fares in the marketplace? Is that where you've seen some of the improvement? Are you still seeing sort of dilutive walk-ups out there? Thank you.

Shane R. Tackett - Alaska Air Group, Inc.

Analyst

Yeah. Thanks, Duane. I'll take the Saver question as well. I want to just remind folks as Andrew mentioned on the script and we talked about last time, we actually had a 5 or 6 different revenue initiatives that totaled $150 million. Saver is the biggest at a $100 million. We're fully in development mode and build mode now. We expect this to be in market by Christmas of this year if not sooner. The way we got there is there's been sort of publicly discussed upsell rates out of what other folks, these products are basic economy into normal or standard, I mean, cabin tickets. Our expectation is to be a little less than that because we have a slightly more generous product and are slightly less reliant on business revenue network, but we're sort of basing it on what we know other take rates are. In terms of the basic upsell fares, they haven't really changed a lot in the past 6 to 12 months. There is sort of market specific dynamics that they may move around a little bit, but they're pretty much in a range of $15 to $50 throughout the U.S. at this point.

Duane Pfennigwerth - Evercore ISI

Analyst

Thank you.

Bradley D. Tilden - Alaska Air Group, Inc.

Management

Thanks, Duane.

Operator

Operator

Your next question is from the line of Savi Syth with Raymond James. Savanthi N. Syth - Raymond James & Associates, Inc.: Hey, good morning, everyone. You mentioned this a little bit and I wonder if you can elaborate a little bit more on the transcon and what you're doing there? One, you know what you're seeing today and then how quickly can we start to see that kind of the benefits of a network optimization as you move some of the Boeing aircraft onto that route – on those routes?

Andrew R. Harrison - Alaska Air Group, Inc.

Management

Hi, Savi. We've actually already started that process and as we do that – it's just simply put, the Boeing equipment has a lot more seats, a lot more premium class seats and a lot more first class seats into these frequencies. So and as Shane mentioned too on these longer haul flights, these revenue initiatives that we're putting in place and that have already started and especially to strengthen premium class. All of these initiatives really lend themselves strongly to these transcon flights. And so we expect good healthy improvement and to Shane's earlier point we are seeing strengthening in the close-in fair environment for these flights as well.

Benito Minicucci - Alaska Air Group, Inc.

Analyst

And Andrew, I'm just going by memory, I think, there is 200 flights transcon in Hawaii and about 70% of them by the fall, will be on Boeing, correct?

Andrew R. Harrison - Alaska Air Group, Inc.

Management

Sounds about right, Ben, yeah.

Benito Minicucci - Alaska Air Group, Inc.

Analyst

Yeah, and then that's only increases.

Andrew R. Harrison - Alaska Air Group, Inc.

Management

Yeah. I think, Savi, just – by January, we will be basically fully cross-weeded and beginning that sort of full run rate value from that synergy. Savanthi N. Syth - Raymond James & Associates, Inc.: All right, great. And then if I might just follow-up on, I know you mentioned kind of the softness in Hawaii, I know, Cancun has been brought up a little bit more and is there any kind of exposure on the some of the international flying that you're doing or is it just too small to really show up?

Bradley D. Tilden - Alaska Air Group, Inc.

Management

Thanks, Savi. I don't know that we mentioned softness in Hawaii, but Mexico is... Savanthi N. Syth - Raymond James & Associates, Inc.: Volcano, okay.

Brandon S. Pedersen - Alaska Air Group, Inc.

Management

Sorry.

Bradley D. Tilden - Alaska Air Group, Inc.

Management

Oh, volcanoes, sorry, sorry, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's -- we – I think that sort of stabilized itself. There was a bit of immediate – you know when it was sort of on national news every single day, there was some buck away, but it pretty much stabilized at this point. Mexico is good. It's a pretty small amount of our network today, so it doesn't have a major impact on results. There is some softness in Mexico beach cities. I think, you've heard other folks talk about that, but nothing like materially concerning. Savanthi N. Syth - Raymond James & Associates, Inc.: It makes sense. All right. Thanks.

Bradley D. Tilden - Alaska Air Group, Inc.

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from the line of Jamie Baker with JPMorgan.

Jamie N. Baker - JPMorgan Securities LLC

Analyst

Hey, good morning, everybody. I kind of hate to ask a modeling question, but you mentioned sequential RASM improvement in Q3 and Q4, or you know tracking towards that outcome in – you know, indeed the midpoint of the succinct third quarter guide that you gave today does imply a sequential improvement from the $0.1281 that you achieved in the second quarter. So are you actually guiding to fourth quarter RASM in cents per mile being above that of the third quarter because if that is the actual guide I mean, that's quite healthy and nicely ahead of the usual seasonal change that one expects from Q3 to Q4?

Shane R. Tackett - Alaska Air Group, Inc.

Analyst

Hi. Hey, Jamie, this is Shane. I don't think we're prepared to give Q4 guidance today. I do think if you just arith – sort of do the arithmetic of the revenue initiatives and if you look at a stabilized pricing environment as we lap all of the new market activity we had in Q3 and Q4 of last year, it does set us up nicely for the fourth quarter.

Jamie N. Baker - JPMorgan Securities LLC

Analyst

Well, could I – could I just? I just want to make sure that I understood your prepared – I think, it was in the prepared remarks that you mentioned sequential RASM improvement in Q3 and Q4, is that correct? I'm not trying to pin you down, I'm saying it's a guide. I'm just trying to understand if I perhaps misunderstood your commentary as to sequential improvement?

Brandon S. Pedersen - Alaska Air Group, Inc.

Management

Yeah, I think it's possible that you've misunderstood our succinct commentary.

Jamie N. Baker - JPMorgan Securities LLC

Analyst

Okay.

Brandon S. Pedersen - Alaska Air Group, Inc.

Management

Our guide was more in the context of year-over-year improvement which is what Andrew talked about in his prepared remarks not the absolute value of TRASM from Q3 to Q4.

Jamie N. Baker - JPMorgan Securities LLC

Analyst

Got it. Got it. Okay. That's hugely helpful and just as it relates to California, quick follow-up. And you've already given us some really good granularity here, but we're seeing a lot more time channel pricing at your primary well at one of your primary competitors on the West Coast you certainly won't hurt my feelings if you think that that observation is irrelevant, but could you at least opine on whether you do think that it matters? And if it's something that you're seeing as well?

Bradley D. Tilden - Alaska Air Group, Inc.

Management

Jim, I just want to make sure I fully understand the question. West Coast time-based pricing?

Jamie N. Baker - JPMorgan Securities LLC

Analyst

Yes.

Bradley D. Tilden - Alaska Air Group, Inc.

Management

Yes.

Jamie N. Baker - JPMorgan Securities LLC

Analyst

Time channel pricing, we're seeing a lot more – well, and I mean, it's no state secret we're seeing a lot more South West fares with very specific time channel rules as part of the fare basis, only available before...

Bradley D. Tilden - Alaska Air Group, Inc.

Management

Yeah.

Jamie N. Baker - JPMorgan Securities LLC

Analyst

...you know 7:30 in the morning or only available on connections, not non-stops after 10:00 PM, that kind of stuff. And I'm just – I'm not smart enough to say whether or not that matters. I think that it does. I'm just we're – I'm just curious what the experts feel.

Bradley D. Tilden - Alaska Air Group, Inc.

Management

Yeah. So I just wanted to get the semantics right and make sure I knew what you're talking about.

Jamie N. Baker - JPMorgan Securities LLC

Analyst

Sure.

Bradley D. Tilden - Alaska Air Group, Inc.

Management

We've used time banded prices for a long time here. I think they are very, very normal revenue management tool in the industry, and I think that in general they make a lot of sense and it's not surprising to me that others would adopts those at this point.

Jamie N. Baker - JPMorgan Securities LLC

Analyst

Okay.

Bradley D. Tilden - Alaska Air Group, Inc.

Management

And when they do it.

Shane R. Tackett - Alaska Air Group, Inc.

Analyst

Shane, our basic deal would be to match in that time slot, not – try not to grow the impact.

Bradley D. Tilden - Alaska Air Group, Inc.

Management

Yeah. We generally are very competitive on fares. And yeah, we use time banded to be competitive for a long time.

Shane R. Tackett - Alaska Air Group, Inc.

Analyst

Yeah. Yeah.

Jamie N. Baker - JPMorgan Securities LLC

Analyst

Yeah. Okay. Helpful. Thanks, gentlemen.

Operator

Operator

Your next question is from the line of Helane Becker with Cowen Securities.

Helane Becker - Cowen and Company, LLC

Analyst

Thanks very much, operator. Hi, everybody. Thank you for the time. I just have two unrelated questions. The first is, do you guys focus on net promoter score? And have you – if so, have you seen an improvement year-over-year and since the merger? And my second question completely unrelated to that. You guys were a big part of cargo in the State of Alaska, especially the postal service. And obviously, there's some talk and we should hear in a week or two what the service levels of the USPS may be going forward. Is that something that you would see an opportunity in, if postal service levels declined from six days a week to three or four?

Benito Minicucci - Alaska Air Group, Inc.

Analyst

Hey, Helane. It's Ben. Your first question on net promoter score, yes. The answer is yes, we do track net promoter score. We've got a great customer analytics team and we have something called Alaska Listens where we do ask the net promoter score. And what I'll say is we've seen just improved performance on our net promoter score as we're getting through this integration. It's very, very promising. We're actually making some refinements to the question to make sure that it is as pure as a net promoter score question as we can. So, we're seeing – and then other customer metrics, we're seeing those improve as well so very, very – we feel very good about that. Maybe on the second question, some other folks can help me. What I can say is we've got three freight airplanes that we just converted. There are three 700s that are converted and we're seeing a huge increase in revenues on our cargo airplanes as we're deploying them. I think we have some opportunity this U.S. Postal Service recent events I'm not too up to speed on that, unless anybody else is, that our – I can tell you our current team is extremely motivated and will jump on any opportunity to make sure that we capture as much revenue as possible.

Bradley D. Tilden - Alaska Air Group, Inc.

Management

One thing I might just point out, Helane, in the State of Alaska, mail does work a little bit different. We actually carry USPS mail on a bypass basis. I won't get into the technical vagaries of it, but we carry it on a daily basis on their behalf. And it is a little different setup up there.

Helane Becker - Cowen and Company, LLC

Analyst

Okay. Thanks very much.

Benito Minicucci - Alaska Air Group, Inc.

Analyst

Thank you.

Bradley D. Tilden - Alaska Air Group, Inc.

Management

Thanks, Helane.

Brandon S. Pedersen - Alaska Air Group, Inc.

Management

Thanks, Helane.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Hunter Keay with Wolfe Research.

Hunter K. Keay - Wolfe Research LLC

Analyst · Wolfe Research.

Hey, everybody.

Bradley D. Tilden - Alaska Air Group, Inc.

Management

Good morning, Hunter.

Hunter K. Keay - Wolfe Research LLC

Analyst · Wolfe Research.

Hey, Brandon, I just want to make this totally clear. Does your 2% ASM growth precludes you from keeping CASMex flat to down? It sounds like there's a lot of moving parts, and I respect, there's a budgeting process. But if you could just say yes or no, is that still in play for 2019?

Brandon S. Pedersen - Alaska Air Group, Inc.

Management

Good morning, Hunter. It's really – we tried to address this in our prepared remarks. We have an extremely aggressive focus on cost. I will say that. It is difficult with 2% ASM growth to see a path to flat to down CASM, but that does not mean that we're not going to work on it.

Hunter K. Keay - Wolfe Research LLC

Analyst · Wolfe Research.

Okay. That's fair. You got it. Thank you for that. And then, I don't know, this is for maybe Shane, what do you know about these people redeeming points, Shane? Are these people with small point balances that are just like flushing 20,000 points, like their last 20,000 points away and they're not going to come back? Or are these Alaska loyalists that are just taking advantage of like a dislocation in some of the offerings and just taking advantage of some maybe temporarily low price points? I just want to make sure that we're not – you didn't buy a bunch of Virgin customers that are just going to abandon the new airline because their beloved Virgin is now gone and they're just like flushing away their points. You know what I mean?

Andrew R. Harrison - Alaska Air Group, Inc.

Management

Yeah. Hunter, this is Andrew. I might take this on. I've been expecting this question and take it up to the 50,000-foot level here. At the end of the day, what happened here is that, as you know, we have a very generous loyalty program. The problem was we were just way too generous post PSS. There's a couple of key drivers to that. Firstly, we just weren't set up correctly with our inventory. We were way too open just to say it. Our lowest fare award redemptions were up 40% year-over-year. So we're all about generosity, but we had the inventory misaligned with the demand. The PSS transition happened right in the peak summer booking window. And then, we bought on all of these Airbus that we underestimated how that was going to be. And then, of course, our good partner, American Airlines had full access to our network as well. So when you combine all of those things together that was the huge spike in demand. It was by our regular loyal members, business as usual, even saw some of it up in the Pacific Northwest because of our inventory challenges. So this was a one-time thing. There's about 150 basis points of drag this quarter, it will be the same next quarter. And we've just made adjustments to bring the generosity back to our standard levels. This was a miss on our part, but it's behind us now and we feel good going forward. So that's what happened with loyalty.

Hunter K. Keay - Wolfe Research LLC

Analyst · Wolfe Research.

Okay. Thanks a lot.

Bradley D. Tilden - Alaska Air Group, Inc.

Management

Thanks, Hunter.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Dan McKenzie with Buckingham Research.

Dan J. McKenzie - The Buckingham Research Group, Inc.

Analyst · Buckingham Research.

Well, hey, thanks for the time here guys. So non-fuel costs are likely up somewhat next year, but you were pretty clear you're expecting margin expansion, so revenue up even more, I guess. To what extent has inter-California impacted RASM at the system level? Is this 5% of the business impacting RASM by, say, 100 basis points, 200 basis points? And I guess I'm just trying to get a little better handle on the source of sequential improvement as we head into the back half of the year and into next.

Andrew R. Harrison - Alaska Air Group, Inc.

Management

Yeah. I'll take that. I mean we obviously don't comment on specific market performance. Inter-Cal is only 2.5% of our total capacity just to put that into perspective. I think really, to your question, what we are seeing is sequential improvement in these new markets on a couple of levels across the system is volumes and the volume is getting much stronger. And many of these markets too are on regional aircraft and Shane and the team are getting much better and more sophisticated about how we sell both Premium Class and First Class in these areas. So I think bigger picture, really, the story here is the pricing in general in California across the board. And as Shane and we had mentioned in our remarks, we're seeing good positive changes, especially in the close-in booking windows in those fares. So that's really what's going on.

Dan J. McKenzie - The Buckingham Research Group, Inc.

Analyst · Buckingham Research.

I see. Okay.

Brandon S. Pedersen - Alaska Air Group, Inc.

Management

Hey, Dan.

Dan J. McKenzie - The Buckingham Research Group, Inc.

Analyst · Buckingham Research.

Yeah, go ahead.

Brandon S. Pedersen - Alaska Air Group, Inc.

Management

It's Brandon. Just one other thought. In your lead-in, you had a couple of important points. One is we have margin improvement plan for 2019. That's absolutely correct. The second is as you almost threw up the white flag on costs being up a couple of points or whatever you said, and I don't know that that's fair. We haven't given any guidance yet for 2019 costs and I don't want to just accept that as a given.

Dan J. McKenzie - The Buckingham Research Group, Inc.

Analyst · Buckingham Research.

Thank you for that clarification. That's helpful. Another question here just, Hawaii becoming a bigger competitive dynamic, that's likely to persist into next year. So as we think about margin expansion, it seems to me there must be some confidence that you can execute on that even with some competitive challenges that are likely to persist. Is that a fair characterization?

Brandon S. Pedersen - Alaska Air Group, Inc.

Management

I think specifically, Dan, in relation to Hawaii, what we feel really good about that, and you've seen us made adjustments in the fourth quarter across the Pacific Northwest and California and our frequencies. But more importantly, the changes that we've been talking about, the premium class, the Saver Fares, the change fees and all of these revenue enhancements, Hawaii will be a very strong recipient of these increase in yields and improvement in profitability. So we feel really good about our Hawaii network, the strength of it, and the revenue initiatives we're putting in place as well as the cost reductions, will go directly to the Hawaii franchise.

Bradley D. Tilden - Alaska Air Group, Inc.

Management

And competition is what makes this country and this industry great. But we're – we have seat assignments in Hawaii, we have premium class, first class, as Andrew mentioned we have fantastic onboard food and beverage service. We think that's going to – we have about – our fares are candidly are as low as anybody else's. So we actually think we're nicely set up for Hawaii in 2019 and 2020.

Dan J. McKenzie - The Buckingham Research Group, Inc.

Analyst · Buckingham Research.

Thanks for that color, and I'm just trying to squeeze one last housecleaning, this is quick here. Ben, the – what's the primary metrics behind the productivity targets and I guess if you're using full-time equivalents, pardon me, for aircraft, where are you at today, what does it look like in 2019?

Benito Minicucci - Alaska Air Group, Inc.

Analyst · Buckingham Research.

So great question. First, every division has a specific metric, so it depends, I would say for pilots and flight attendants it's we track hard time, so we will set a target for example like 69% hard time for pilots and 74% hard time for flight attendants; for mechanics, it's mechanics to airplane; for customer service agents, it's the number of agents per departures and then it all rolls up as you see it a number that we publish that is the number of equivalent FTEs per...

Bradley D. Tilden - Alaska Air Group, Inc.

Management

Passengers per FTE.

Benito Minicucci - Alaska Air Group, Inc.

Analyst · Buckingham Research.

Passengers per FTE.

Dan J. McKenzie - The Buckingham Research Group, Inc.

Analyst · Buckingham Research.

Okay.

Benito Minicucci - Alaska Air Group, Inc.

Analyst · Buckingham Research.

So what we have is what we do we just get granular with every vision to make sure that productivity is at peak level and then it rolls up to an overall number that you see.

Brandon S. Pedersen - Alaska Air Group, Inc.

Management

And Dan, the number – this is Brandon, the number we really manage to is at the division level like Ben said and it obviously gets way more granular than that on hard time and soft time and that's what we focus on, on daily basis to drive the business.

Bradley D. Tilden - Alaska Air Group, Inc.

Management

Yeah, and then it could be like training and what how many people are on company business and union business all those sorts of things.

Dan J. McKenzie - The Buckingham Research Group, Inc.

Analyst · Buckingham Research.

Okay. Thanks so much you guys.

Bradley D. Tilden - Alaska Air Group, Inc.

Management

Thank you.

Brandon S. Pedersen - Alaska Air Group, Inc.

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question is from the line of Joseph DeNardi with Stifel Nicolaus. Joseph William DeNardi - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.: Yeah, thank you. Just to follow-up on Hunter's question, he's slowly becoming the loyalty program expert here. Andrew, is it fair to say that kind of in a standard environment that you're indifferent from a PRASM standpoint whether you sell a seat with miles or dollars?

Andrew R. Harrison - Alaska Air Group, Inc.

Management

I don't – where I would say in short, no, we're not indifferent, I think we're trying to balance two very important economic drivers of our business. One is obviously selling revenue tickets and the other one is to continue to grow the loyalty program which is also generating significant economics through both the card and buying passengers. I think the industry right now is basically indifferent. I would say we are not at that place although we are continuing to work on how indifferent we do plan to be as it relates to loyalty going forward. So we think we have the best of both worlds right now. Joseph William DeNardi - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.: Okay. And then when you think about going from 4% to 2% I think you've talked a little bit about this but maybe a little bit more detail would be helpful like where do those two points come out of and is a market like Hawaii where there is clearly going to be a decent amount of capacity next year is that somewhere where you could reduce and fund capacity elsewhere, just how should we think about that? Thank you.

Andrew R. Harrison - Alaska Air Group, Inc.

Management

Thank you. The easiest way to think about 2019 capacity at 2% it's essentially everything we've announced and started this year continues on to next year. So to the extent we announce any new markets or changes that just means to your point we'll be pulling down other areas of our network and reallocating it. But essentially this is just this year's run rate going forward. Joseph William DeNardi - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.: Thank you very much.

Bradley D. Tilden - Alaska Air Group, Inc.

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question is from the line of Brandon Oglenski with Barclays.

Brandon R. Oglenski - Barclays Capital, Inc.

Analyst

Hey, thanks for taking my question. So Brad I mean I guess if we can do the postmortem here and I guess this kind of coming off of Hunter's question too, but maybe in a different way. You know is it just proving to be more difficult in some of these bigger California markets to be a number two or number three player and you're just not getting the returns or the let's say revenue or recognition you thought you would get from customer base there as you've increased your presence?

Bradley D. Tilden - Alaska Air Group, Inc.

Management

No, thanks, Brandon, a good question. I don't think that's the case. We – I'll say having been here a long time now, some of these markets we've worked a long, long time to develop a loyalty position and a market share that we – that we've developed. And then when you have that position, it's an incredible loyalty and economic driver for your business. So I don't think it would have been right for any of us to sort of expect overnight material shifts in market share where you're holding industry standard RASM or anything like that and that wasn't our expectation. I do think what's happened is, as we bought – moved into a lot of these markets there has been elevated competition, some of that we brought on new flying ourselves. And we did it at a time with – when fuel prices were rising a lot and that's one of things we're trying to talk about now. And so I think the combination of us putting new flying in, our competitors putting new flying in, fuel prices coming up, and we're trying to recover higher fares in that environment, it's been tough, and it doesn't – tough is what we do, you know, as that – this is the airline business. So I think as we look at this now, we are – you've seen over the last couple of calls, we've made downward adjustments to our own capacity and we're just continuing to make the most intelligent network decisions that we can make. But I think, California is a great market place, great business, great economy is there. It's very natural. We've been in California for 40 years. It's very natural for us to have a bigger presence there. We're very optimistic about how we're going to do there over the mid-term. But this is what we're working through right now.

Brandon R. Oglenski - Barclays Capital, Inc.

Analyst

Okay. And to the extent that you're willing to share, I mean nothing internally is suggesting that there was a niche brand following the Virgin and you know that's eroding or did erode, that doesn't seem to be the issue?

Bradley D. Tilden - Alaska Air Group, Inc.

Management

I don't think so.

Brandon R. Oglenski - Barclays Capital, Inc.

Analyst

All right. Thank you.

Bradley D. Tilden - Alaska Air Group, Inc.

Management

Yeah.

Brandon S. Pedersen - Alaska Air Group, Inc.

Management

Thank you.

Bradley D. Tilden - Alaska Air Group, Inc.

Management

Okay. Is that the last?

Matt Grady - Alaska Air Group, Inc.

Management

Yeah.

Bradley D. Tilden - Alaska Air Group, Inc.

Management

Okay, everybody. Thank you very much for tuning in today. We really appreciate your interest in Alaska and we look forward to talking with you all again in three months' time. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

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