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Q4 2015 Earnings Call· Tue, May 31, 2016

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Operator

Operator

Good day, everyone, and welcome to AMSC's Fourth Quarter and Full Fiscal Year 2015 Conference Call. This call is being recorded. [Operator Instructions] With us on the call this morning are AMSC President and CEO, Daniel McGahn; Executive Vice President and CFO, David Henry; and Manager of AMSC Investor Relations, Brion Tanous. For opening remarks, I'd like to turn the call over to Brion Tanous. Please go ahead, sir.

Brion Tanous

Analyst

Thank you, Tim, and welcome to our call to discuss our fourth quarter and full fiscal year 2015 results. Before we begin, I'd like to note that various remarks management may make on this conference call about AMSC's future expectations, plans and prospects constitute forward-looking statements for the purpose of the safe harbor provisions under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Actual results may differ materially from those indicated by such forward-looking statements as a result of various important factors, including those discussed in the Risk Factors section of our annual report on Form 10-K for the year ended March 31, 2016, which we filed with the SEC earlier today, and subsequent reports that we have filed with the SEC. These forward-looking statements represent our expectations only as of today and should not be relied upon as representing our views as of any date subsequent to today. While AMSC anticipates that subsequent events and developments may cause the company's views to change, we specifically disclaim any obligation to update these forward-looking statements. I would also like to note that we will be referring on today's call to non-GAAP net loss or net loss before gain on the sale of interest and minority investments, stock-based compensation, amortization of acquisition-related intangibles, restructuring and impairment charge, consumption of 0 cost basis inventory, change in fair value of derivatives and warrants, noncash interest expense and other unusual charges, net of any tax effects related to these items. Non-GAAP net loss is a non-GAAP financial metric. A reconciliation of our non-GAAP to GAAP net loss can be found in the press release we issued and filed with the SEC this morning on Form 8-K. All of our press releases and SEC filings can be accessed from the Investors page of our website at www.amsc.com. With that, I'd like to turn the call over to CEO, Dan McGahn. Dan?

Daniel McGahn

Analyst

Thanks, Brion. Good morning, everyone. I'll begin today by providing an overview of our financial results for the fourth quarter and full year fiscal 2015, which ended March 31, 2016. Dave will then provide a detailed review of our financial results and guidance for the first fiscal quarter, which will end June 30, 2016. Following Dave's comments, we will provide an overview of our activities and goals for fiscal year 2016. After that, we'll open up the line to your questions. Fiscal '15 was a great year, the best year in some time. It was a year of strong revenue growth and improved financial health for our company. We grew revenues by more than 35% year-over-year as a result of strength in both our grid and wind businesses. Our gross margin of 23% for fiscal year 2015 was the highest corporate gross margin for the company since before the events with China. Lastly, we generated cash from operations in the second half of fiscal 2015. The efforts that the company has undertaken over the past several years are starting to bear fruit. Part of our strategy for growth has been to increase our engagements with electric utilities and the U.S. Navy. Both of these markets expect a long-term commitment from their vendors. The additional capital we raised in fiscal 2015 and our recent financial performance are expected to enable us to focus our conversations with electric utilities and the U.S. Navy on our solutions and their benefits, and not on our balance sheet. I'm personally very proud of the work and effort put forth by our employees. Fiscal 2015 was a great year of growth in our grid business. We grew grid revenues by over 40% year-over-year as a result of strong D-VAR bookings throughout the year. Importantly, our D-VAR…

David Henry

Analyst

Thanks, Dan, and good morning, everyone. AMSC increased its revenues to $27.5 million for the fourth fiscal quarter compared to $25.1 million in the year ago quarter. Fourth quarter revenues grew by 10% year-over-year due primarily to higher grid segment revenues, which represented 28% of both fourth quarter and fiscal year 2015 revenues. Revenues in our grid segment in the fourth quarter included $3.2 million recognized under the agreements with BASF. This included $3 million under the license agreement, which was paid and recognized in full in the fourth quarter and $200,000 recognized under the joint development agreement. We were paid the first installment of $2 million under the joint development agreement in the fourth quarter. The remainder of this payment was recorded as deferred revenue and will be recognized as revenue ratably through the third quarter of fiscal 2016. The growth in grid revenues was partially offset by a modest decline in revenues in our wind segment. Revenues from our wind business were down 5% year-over-year and represented approximately 72% of total revenues for both the fourth quarter and fiscal year 2015. During the fourth quarter, we received $6 million, which represents the upfront payment under the Inox license agreement. As we discussed during last quarter's call, revenue under this license agreement is being deferred and will be recognized once our obligations under the license agreement have been completed. We are not expecting to record any revenue under this license agreement in fiscal 2016. For the full fiscal year, we increased revenues by 36% to $96 million compared to $70.4 million in fiscal year 2014. Fiscal year 2015 grid revenues increased 41% year-over-year, while wind segment revenues increased 34% versus a year ago. 12-month backlog at March 31, 2016, was approximately $89 million compared with $41 million at March…

Daniel McGahn

Analyst

Thanks, Dave. At the beginning of fiscal 2015, we identified 3 discrete business objectives that we anticipated would provide a foundation for sustained growth and market expansion of our products: one, generate new orders for our D-VAR system; two, announce an additional city, exploring the deployment of our Resilient Electric Grid or REG System; and three, receive a new large wind order. Our first objective was to generate new orders for our D-VAR product. On that front, we were very successful. During fiscal 2015, we received approximately $28 million of new D-VAR orders from customers in South Africa, Australia, Asia, the United Kingdom and North America. And we continued to see elevated levels of quote activity in all areas of our business. In fiscal 2016, we plan to continue to pursue opportunities for our D-VAR product in 3 key market applications: renewable energy interconnectivity; grid support for electric utilities; and power quality for industrial applications. As a result of continuing tax incentives in the U.S. and the climate change accord in Paris, we expect the renewable sector to remain healthy in our targeted geographies while we focus our efforts on developing a strong utility and industrial pipeline for our D-VAR products. We executed on the orders front and we executed operationally as we ramp D-VAR production here in Massachusetts in fiscal 2015 after transitioning our manufacturing from Middleton, Wisconsin. We are very proud of how well this transition took place. The second objective we identified for fiscal 2015 was to announce an additional city exploring the deployment of the REG system. During the year, we announced Washington D.C.'s Pepco was undertaking a deployment study of our REG system, joining utilities in Chicago and Boston. Recall that our Resilient Electric Grid system products was launched in conjunction with the Department of…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] We'll go first to Carter Driscoll with FBR.

Carter Driscoll

Analyst

Just start out with Inox. It sounds like there isn't a change to the relationship rather that you're holding them to the original parameters of the agreement you signed in December. Is that a fair characterization or is...

Daniel McGahn

Analyst

Yes, I think -- I mean, the point we're trying to make is we understand that they have some challenges within their business and we want to support them. And one of the challenges we're actually placing on them, and we have the $6 million that were paid for the technology, the $2 million upfront on the next contract. Those are obviously single point events for them and cause additional constraints into working capital. We really wanted to try to go back to the events in 2010 and 2011. One of the challenges or risks that were in the businesses, we were shipping product at that time under open credit. And in the case with the Inox contract, everything must be paid in advance under a letter of credit. There also is this advance payment to get the contract rolling, and that hasn't been yet paid. So we've gotten assurances from Inox that that will be paid. We've gotten assurances from Inox that this is a temporary situation. And although our projections are a bit weak, we think this is the right thing to do for Inox, the right thing to do for our business and the right thing to do for risks to our shareholders.

Carter Driscoll

Analyst

But they've communicated to you, just a follow-up, that they believe that it should return to more normalized path, assuming they make the payment starting in the June quarter. Is that the way you think about it right now?

Daniel McGahn

Analyst

Yes, I think we're really focused on the second quarter. We see what their demand is and the demand forecast that they're providing to us is in line with kind of normal levels where the business has been. That may or may not mean additional growth to happen in the second half. We'll kind of wait and see. Right now, we want to get through the next weeks here in the first quarter, continue to be supportive of them and to get that initial payment on the $200 million supply contract.

David Henry

Analyst

So to be clear -- -- this is Dave Henry. To be clear, we expect that wind revenues will return to a more normal level in the second quarter, so the quarter ending September.

Carter Driscoll

Analyst

That's just not seasonality but also within the parameters of the large agreement you signed in December, right? I mean, that's...

Daniel McGahn

Analyst

Yes, [indiscernible], it's -- Inox's revenues are typically lower in the first quarter anyway.

David Henry

Analyst

So for the June quarter, they're just going to be -- that seasonality is going to be compounded by these near-term working capital issues that they've told us that they have.

Carter Driscoll

Analyst

Yes, no, I'm just trying to frame it because typically, you guys have had more spot orders from Inox in the past years, and this seems to be a more stable base, just trying to square those 2.

Daniel McGahn

Analyst

Yes, no, the stability is projected to be there that they've communicated back to us, and we really have to see this as your trends -- you're transferring the business from the contract that we announced -- the $40 million that we announced in the summer a year ago. Now we're going on to the terms of the now $200 million contract, and there's a lot of linkages to the technology transfer. And it's a contract that, from a risk standpoint, is even more favorable to AMSC. We want to make sure that we continue to hold that to our favor.

Carter Driscoll

Analyst

Yes, understood. You talk about the -- maybe just shifting gears a little bit, the potential for and maybe timing of the development agreement with BASF and maybe the magnitude of the potential cost reduction and whether that can play into negotiations. I'm assuming you can deploy that with either Pepco or Eversource if it were to advance to that level of discussions and/or with the Ship Protection Systems and just kind of help us think about the gross margin impact from that perspective and whether it depends in part on developing a lower-cost HTS wire with BASF.

Daniel McGahn

Analyst

We can go forward with the product that we make today at the cost that we make it at today. And the way we structured the Resilient Electric Grid product and the way that we've talked about pricing with potential future customers is around those numbers. So we can deliver with the capacity we have today. We do have CapEx requirements from a maintenance standpoint year-to-year. But really, we can go forward with the investment that we have. If we're able in the future, and that future is measured in years, not quarters, there is the potential that through the collaboration with BASF, we can improve the margin. We haven't said even what the margins we thought will be for REG, let alone go out and try to promise what the future could be. But to give you kind of a sense, you've heard me say in the past that the value of the wire is somewhere between 1/5 and 1/3 in most applications, as you make whatever assumptions you wanted in the ability to reduce the cost of that wire and it could potentially present us with a boost in margin. But for the cities that we're actively talking to today, we're quoting based upon the wire being supplied with our current process.

Carter Driscoll

Analyst

Okay. And then maybe just shifting gears over that. Can you talk about whether Eversource or Pepco, the discussions are further along and whether the scope is materially different in either situation? And/or any update on other discussions you're having with utilities you can share at this point? And then, lastly -- go ahead, and then I'll just have a follow-up.

Daniel McGahn

Analyst

Yes, I'm looking forward to being able to announce updates on all those cities and potentially new cities. There's not anything tangibly that we want to talk about today on the call other than we continue to be in dialogue. We continue to make progress not only with Chicago, but with the discussions with Boston, with Washington as well as a number of others.

Carter Driscoll

Analyst

Okay. And then just lastly, so just to clarify, you did say that you hope to reach a point which you can make a decision on phase 2. I think that was -- is it by the end of calendar '16 or the fiscal '16? Just want to make sure I understood the timing.

Daniel McGahn

Analyst

Yes, we hope within the fiscal year. We have our marching orders from DHS, with the $3.7 million of spend that's anticipated this year. That means we don't really need the decision until later in the fiscal year to continue on the timetable as ComEd and AMSC have agreed to so far.

Operator

Operator

We'll go next to Jeff Osborne with Cowen and Company.

Jeffrey Osborne

Analyst

Dave, you mentioned that the working capital collections has been pretty solid in the first quarter -- or start of the quarter here. Can you just mention or touch on -- it might be in the 10-K, but I haven't had a chance to go through it yet, on what your receivable exposure is to Inox, and if they are actually current, or a portion of the commentary that you had around the collections was from Inox?

David Henry

Analyst

Well, I think, yes, that's what -- that's the driver of the collections. I mean, we had a record number of sets that we shipped to Inox during the fourth quarter and we're seeing that the collections on those receivables in the first quarter. We had a -- we ended March with a little over $19 million in net receivables. And -- but as I mentioned, the way that we conduct business with Inox is much different than with -- back 4 or 5 years ago, with what happened in China. We -- letters of credit are required before we ship anything, and so those are all -- what we're collecting on are letters of credit that were entered into primarily during the fourth quarter now. And so we're realizing the benefits of those collections and there's really no issues with those collections. So with the lower revenues in the first quarter, we do expect a lower receivable balance to accompany that is well at the end of the first quarter.

Jeffrey Osborne

Analyst

Got it, that's helpful. And just with all the moving pieces in the fiscal year you just finished and looking ahead to the current one, do you have any kind of a high-level expectation of cash burn for the year? How should we think about that, just with the maintenance CapEx that you have? And yes, I assume with the 3-megawatt license that you've committed to as part of your 4-point plan, would there be a cash component to that as well? Assuming that they can be...

David Henry

Analyst

Yes, the second half of last year, again, we were able to -- we had these sources of cash that were non-dilutive, that was nice. You had the -- a license from Inox, you had the payments from BASF. I think from just a structural standpoint, what we've said in the past, I think still holds true, at least for -- at this time, we're -- if you're thinking of revenues in around the $20 million quarter range, at that level of revenue, we expect our burn is going to be somewhere -- burn from operations is going to be somewhere in the neighborhood of $4 million to $5 million per quarter. That's kind of where we're structurally at right now. When revenues are higher than $20 million per quarter, our burn will be less. And as you can see, as we're getting -- as we -- as revenues approach $30 million on a quarterly basis and higher, you see that result fall through to our cash flows from operations. I mean, our cash burn from operations in this last fiscal year was only $4.5 million. In fiscal '14, it was like $32 million. Even if you back out the Inox payments and the BASF payments, the burn from operations was around $15 million, less than half of what it was a year ago. So you can kind of make your judgments as to where -- though we're not guiding it today, you can make your judgments as to where that cash flow breakeven level is.

Jeffrey Osborne

Analyst

Got it, that's helpful. And then just a follow-up. Do you expect, assuming that Inox gets reengaged and everything, get set up by -- and moving forward with no issues that as you enter the 3-megawatt contract, would there be a cash component to that of a couple of million bucks or no?

Daniel McGahn

Analyst

Yes, there'd be payments for that and we'd look towards a supply agreement and such, but we're still in the early stages of just trying to scope out what the product needs to look like. We want something that's going to be a winner for Inox in India and what they've led us to believe as they want to go bigger, and so we're targeting a 3-megawatt. When we announced an agreement, we'll try to be as clear as we can on revenue and cash considerations, as clear as we're able to be at that time.

Jeffrey Osborne

Analyst

Perfect. I just had 2 other quick ones here. You mentioned the diversification of revenue with the REG product line and the Navy, which is great. But can you just touch on what progress you expect during the year over the next 18 to 24 months in terms of diversifying the wind revenue, in particular, a way from just Inox? Is there any markets of the world that value your technology that you could get a license, whether it's Brazil or some other part of the world?

Daniel McGahn

Analyst

Yes, I mean, I think part of it, stay tuned, let's watch and see if there's the right opportunity presents themselves somewhere in the world. We've kind of hinted at targeting Eastern Europe and South America. We have some activities already in D-VAR in South Africa. Those potentials are there. And then we still have the relationship with JCNE, who knows what will happen there in China. But we do believe there is certainly the potential for diversification of wind. What we've tried to make sure is that we do the best job we can for Inox and they are and will continue to remain our focus.

Jeffrey Osborne

Analyst

Understand. And the last one I had is just several quarters ago, you mentioned on the REG product line, I believe it was in conjunction with ComEd, that you had identified other applications outside of the loop of Chicago and suburban neighborhoods that had transmission constraints and whatnot, renewables integration. Is that something that -- I was excited at the commentary around that because it seemed that, that part of the market, assuming that it can be a rate-based, could move faster than a giant co-sponsored, co-funded government program. Is that part of the negotiations you're having with them and other utilities? Or maybe my enthusiasm for that application is a bit misguided?

Daniel McGahn

Analyst

No, I don't think your enthusiasm is misguided at all. I think with Chicago, the focus is the program that is ahead of us in here with DHS' help. What we believe we have with the REG brand solution is something that works economically now without additional governmental support. We see constantly, every week passes by, every month passes by, there are only more challenges to the grid, be it blackouts or be short-length transmission projects that are constrained by -- either by cost or by something geographically where the REG brand solution is kind of uniquely positioned. So we continue to be out there with utilities, explaining the value in getting them to understand that. The challenge with utilities is they move at utility speed, similar to the Navy, moves at Navy speed. It's an unfortunate reality that the markets that our technology is most valued in are markets that do not move at very quick speeds.

Jeffrey Osborne

Analyst

Got it. Now I fully appreciate that. Just one quick follow-up. Is there any possibility that you could see REG revenue for someone beyond ComEd first? Or do these utilities you're in negotiation with need to see someone like a ComEd deploy this, and that's a validation of the technology and the hypotheses that you have?

Daniel McGahn

Analyst

Yes, I think either reality is possible. There is a probable path where we don't need Chicago to move forward with another order, particularly if the constraints are such and the value is such that it is a completely compelling solution. And frankly, we've seen that. Really, it's the speed at which utilities do their work and make decisions. They are not in a real competitive environment to improve the reliability and resiliency of their grid. These are long-term themes that utility executives are trying to be good shepherds for. And we're going to try to take advantage of any scenario or situation where we can provide demonstrable value versus conventional alternatives. And we see that every month in these discussions that we've had and even new discussions that rise up.

Operator

Operator

We'll go next to Amit Dayal with Rodman & Renshaw.

Amit Dayal

Analyst

Just really quickly on the Inox issue. Could you recap first how much Inox was part of revenues in 2015 fiscal? And how much does...

David Henry

Analyst

Yes, for the full year, they were 62% of revenue, and for the fourth quarter, 71%.

Amit Dayal

Analyst

Perfect. And what do we expect them to contribute towards the overall revenues in 2016?

David Henry

Analyst

We're not giving -- just like we're not giving full year guidance for the total company, we're not giving full year guidance for Inox in particular. Although, I mean, they themselves report for a pretty strong backlog of 1,100 megawatts. They have their near-term working capital challenge, but presumably, they've got the -- they have the demand to -- necessary to grow their business and to enable us to grow as well. So we'll just wait and see here and see how things start panning out in the second quarter, when Inox -- when we expect that their revenues will return to a more normal level.

Amit Dayal

Analyst

So in relation to the payments for the supply contract, is there a deadline to this? Or does this just continue to sort of remain in limbo until they make a payment and then you can ship against it?

Daniel McGahn

Analyst

We're 100% of the supply. We’ve been 100% of the supply as they want to have their business continue and as they want to grow their business, which is their intent, they're going to get need to get current with all the money that's outstanding to us. So the time limit, really, is their own business. They can elect and choose to move all this forward. At this point, they've been constrained on a working capital basis and they have not been able to do that, but they give us assurances that they will. And that, as we've said, we expect the second quarter to become more normal, which implies that we believe that they will get current, and they've given us assurances that they will.

Amit Dayal

Analyst

Understood. And just on the 3-megawatt license agreement with them, do these payment-related issues potentially push that out further if they're not able to go sort of go in for the cash to make these upfront payments, et cetera?

Daniel McGahn

Analyst

What we've said with that deal, we look forward to getting that done within the fiscal year. We're only 2 months into the fiscal year. We got 10 months to get this situation behind us here, hopefully, very quickly. Then we have many months left to try to look at the future. And we know that our business is linked to Inox. Inox knows that their business is linked to ours. We have been able to work in a great spirit of cooperation. I'm very proud and very comforted by the strong relationship and working relationship we have with the Jain family that is the main owner and operator of the company. We will get these issues behind us and we will continue to work together.

David Henry

Analyst

So Amit, just one thing. The payment terms under the license to enable them to self-supply limited quantities is sort of -- it's unique and you kind of need to separate it from the rest of the business. The way when we license wind technology to our customers, we can structure those agreements and have structured those agreements in the past that limit their working capital effect. So I'm not as convinced that working capital constraints will drive the decision-making on when we complete a 3-megawatt with them. I mean, they talk about and they brag about the fact that they're going to do this 3-megawatt with us. So if you recall, generally, the way the revenue streams work on the licenses, it's a combination of payments for the technology, which are generally made over a period of time. And then that follows with royalty payments. So there's different ways to flex that to get the economic benefit that we're looking for.

Daniel McGahn

Analyst

But we'll make it work for us and for them.

Amit Dayal

Analyst

Understood. With the backlog number, you gave $89 million, and could you kind of give any color on what the mix of this backlog is?

David Henry

Analyst

I can tell you that of the $89 million backlog, $58 million of that is Inox.

Amit Dayal

Analyst

Okay, got it. That is helpful. Just the last question for me. So this power outage in Seattle, has that prompted any more condensations, any urgency in terms of your partnerships and deployment opportunities in...

Daniel McGahn

Analyst

I want to say this. We're really happy that you're following us, you're studying us and you see what we see. You know us reasonably well. At this point, we we're very opportunistic, and any opportunities that are afforded us, we're certainly going to take, but I'd rather not comment any further than that.

Operator

Operator

We'll go next to Zach Houston with Footprint Asset Management & Research.

Zachary Houston

Analyst

I guess, Dan, to start off with the utilities focused on grid stability, can you just talk a little bit more kind of on the level of demand you're seeing for the D-VAR systems from the renewables? I guess, in countries like Australia, you said South Africa and your other target markets?

Daniel McGahn

Analyst

Yes, the other main target markets are really North America, led by the U.S. and United Kingdom. Kind of geography by geography, the PTC being put in place and extended through 2019 has really helped the quoting activity. So I think there was a bit of a pause or a breath without there being a definitive direction with the PTC. Now that's behind us, we see some pent-up demand for projects that really make sense for D-VAR. There's a mandate over in the U.K., I think it's in Scotland, where they want to get to 100% renewables. Yes, I just want to say that out loud and pause. They want to get to 100% renewables. We can be very helpful in that. Australia is a market we've had our eyes on, we made some announcements recently about some wins there. We see the market, hopefully, here turning more in our favor. We've been able to market all 3 types of applications in Australia very well, and that's a market that we like very much. And in South Africa, it's really been the renewable interconnection solution for D-VAR. And assuming that market goes forward with the projections that they have there, there should be continued demand for D-VAR there. So we're very optimistic. We were able to grow the D-VAR business itself. We haven't given specific numbers, but very healthy growth in grid with the more than, I think it was 41% year-to-year. We want to be able to continue growth there and then be able to continue revenue diversification by bringing more revenue to grid.

Zachary Houston

Analyst

Okay. Now would you say that's kind of the bidirectional need to utilities pulling that demand?

Daniel McGahn

Analyst

When you say bidirectional, you mean that they -- we have it and, they want it, or are you getting to something else?

Zachary Houston

Analyst

Like the grid infrastructure, I guess, I'm kind of looking at solar, for instance.

Daniel McGahn

Analyst

Okay. So we see that perhaps as a longer-term effect. We think things like REG allow or potentially enable that kind of grid, particularly in urban city infrastructure. We think that the evolving nature of the grid will present a longer-term opportunity for us, for our current products and maybe for future products as well. But really, REG is driven by the need for capacity and reliability today. D-VAR is driven by the need for renewable interconnection as well as voltage stability within the grid and at large industrial users. Those problems, as the grid moves forward in the direction you're getting at, those only get further exacerbated and present additional opportunity for our company with our technology.

Zachary Houston

Analyst

And then if the REG project as well as maybe orders increase, Dave, do you see American Superconductor taking part in that success-based capital raise for working capital needs?

David Henry

Analyst

As we've said, our hope is, is that if we -- that the raise that we did last April is the last time we'd raise our capital for liquidity, that's still our hope. There is the possibility that if there is enough growth opportunity that we'd see, that there could be a capital raise off of that growth opportunity. But right now, we have no plans here in the future to raise capital.

Operator

Operator

And that does conclude today's Q&A session. I'll turn it back over to our presenters for any closing remarks.

Daniel McGahn

Analyst

I just want to end the call. I mean, it was a great year. I don't want that to really go unnoticed. A lot of the effort that we put forward over the past several years really starting to come to fruition. We're in a very strong position in many ways and that allows us to be able to work with Inox in the appropriate manner. We say what we do, and we do what we say. I'm pleased that the shareholders are also recognizing that the company is moving in the right direction. I believe in this company. And every day, I'm proud to be part of an organization whose employees are able to deliver results and work according to our values. We do have some short-term challenges, although we will support Inox through their challenges, and we'll stand ready to continue to serve them. And with that, thanks, everybody, and we look forward to being able to talk to you again in the future. Thank you. Have a good day.

Operator

Operator

And that does conclude today's conference call. We appreciate your participation.