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Amerant Bancorp Inc. (AMTB)

Q3 2020 Earnings Call· Sat, Oct 31, 2020

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Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by, and welcome to the Amerant Third Quarter 2020 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Laura Rossi, Investor Relations Officer at Amerant Banc. Thank you.

Laura Rossi

Analyst

Thank you, operator. Good morning to everyone on the call, and thank you for joining us to review Amerant Bancorp's Third Quarter 2020 Results. With me this morning are Millar Wilson, Chief Executive Officer; Carlos Iafigliola, Chief Financial Officer; Miguel Palacios, Chief Business Officer; and Thiel Fischer, Credit Risk Manager. Before we begin, note that the company's press release, comments made on today's call and responses to your questions contain forward-looking statements. The company's business and operations are subject to a variety of risks and uncertainties, many of which are beyond its control. And consequently, actual results may differ materially from those expressed or implied. Please refer to the cautionary notices regarding forward-looking statements in the company's earnings release and presentation. For a more complete description of these and other possible risks, please refer to the company's annual report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2019, and quarterly reports on Form 10-Q for the quarters ended March 31, 2020, and June 30, 2020, as well as to subsequent filings with the SEC. You can access these filings on the SEC's website. Please note that Amerant has no obligation and makes no commitment to update or publicly release any revisions to forward-looking statements in order to reflect new information or subsequent events, circumstances or changes in expectations except as required by law. You should also note that the company's press release, earnings presentation and today's call include references to certain adjusted financial measures, also known as non-GAAP financial measures. Please refer to Appendix I of the company's earnings presentation for a reconciliation of each non-GAAP financial measure to its most comparable GAAP financial measure. I will now turn the call over to Mr. Wilson.

Millar Wilson

Analyst

Good morning, and thank you for joining Amerant's Third Quarter 2020 Earnings Call. As I did in the past few quarters, I will begin by discussing how Amerant continues to navigate the current environment, including an update around initiatives to put in place to mitigate the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic and our third quarter highlights. Carlos will then review our financial performance for the quarter in further detail. After our prepared remarks, Carlos, Miguel, Thiel and I will discuss questions. On Slide 3. We continue to support our employees, customers and communities throughout the third quarter as we executed against our business continuity plan. On the operational side, we began to roll out a new phase of reintroducing an increased number of employees back to the office, excluding those who face challenges related to the pandemic that would prevent them from returning. To support these efforts, we have ramped up safety protocols, including implementing staggered schedules in an abundance of caution to protect the health and safety of our employees. Amerant banking centers continue to operate on a regular schedule under strict federal, state and local government safety guidelines. Additionally, we continued many of the liquidity and risk management practices implemented earlier this year as a result of the pandemic, including proactive, careful and frequent credit quality assessment of all portfolios. We particularly focused on loans in the most vulnerable industries that have been hardest hit by the pandemic and tightened our underwriting practices to enhance risk mitigation against the challenging market backdrop. While we continued waiving fees in the third quarter with the exception of late payment fees on loans, we continue to offer loan payment relief options to customers. As of the close of the third quarter, Amerant has only received a limited number of requests for…

Carlos Iafigliola

Analyst

Thank you, Millar, and good morning, everyone. Turning to Slide number 6. I will first discuss our investment portfolio. Our third quarter investment securities balance was $1.4 billion, down from the $1.6 billion reported last quarter and year-over-year. As of the end of the third quarter, floating rate investments represented 13% of our portfolio, in line with the 13.6% in the year ago period. Similarly to the last quarter, we continue to purchase higher-yielding corporate securities, particularly financial institutions subordinated debt. Notably, in the third quarter, corporate debt securities comprised 24% of the available-for-sale portfolio, up from the 16% year-over-year. In addition, this quarter, we realized a net gain of $8.6 million on the sale of debt securities. Turning to Slide number 7. We provide an overview of our loan portfolio. At the end of the third quarter, total loans were $5.9 billion, slightly up by $52 million or 0.9% compared to the end of the second quarter. The decline in economic activity and more stringent credit underwriting standards associated with the pandemic continue to impact our loan production. That said, we saw strong consumer loan activity, which this asset class increased by $59 million or 45% quarter-over-quarter, primarily driven by our participation in indirect lending. We have also seen consumers taking advantage of low interest rate environment via home equity lines of credit. Additionally, real estate loans increased $43 million or 1% quarter-over-quarter, mainly used land development and construction multifamily residential loans. Turning to Slide 8. I would like to provide some color on Amerant's credit quality, which Millar highlighted before. Carefully managing our credit quality continues to be a top priority, particularly in the current macroeconomic environment. And in the third quarter, our efforts were successful. First, our allowance for loan losses reached $117 million at the close…

Millar Wilson

Analyst

Thank you, Carlos. Moving on to our last slide. You will see that our goals have not changed. And in the third quarter, we remain focused on these goals. As I said earlier, we are particularly pleased with our proactive approach to manage credit risk, our unwavering commitment to assessing forbearance status, general credit conditions and loans in vulnerable industries on a daily basis paid off as we recorded the lowest loan loss provision so far this year. In the quarter, we also remain focused on generating profitability and growing loans. We saw a significant quarter-over-quarter increase in net income in addition to strong consumer and real estate loan activity. Looking forward, we will continue to execute on our goals to drive shareholder value. We also remain focused on aligning our operating structure and resources with our business activities. Our steadfast commitment to profitability, credit quality and core deposit and loan growth is more important now than ever. With our goals at the forefront of everything we do at Amerant, we are confident that we will continue to successfully navigate the current economic environment. With that, we will happily take your questions. Operator, please open the line for Q&A.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And our first question comes from Michael Young from Truist. Your line is now open.

Michael Young

Analyst

Thank you, thanks for taking the question. I wanted to start just with kind of spread income. I heard the comment that maybe we're reaching an inflection point there and some of the proactive measures you're taking. But just on a go-forward basis, is it better to think of sort of NII dollars from here and moving higher and maybe the margin kind of – could have a few puts and takes, but overall, we're seeing spread income growth?

Carlos Iafigliola

Analyst

So, Hi, Mike, how are you? How is it going? Yes, there is – definitely, if you look at the quarter, despite of the fact of having 5 basis points of a drop in the NIM, particularly the month of September, we actually saw a bounce back on the NIM on a relative basis. It actually increased 2.47%. So our expectation is that we'll keep working on the cost of funds of the time deposits. As we said, there is an opportunity there to reprice a large portion of the portfolio that is coming due within the next six months. So that would definitely create a room for the cost of funds. So yes, the answer is it feels like it's decompressing, and we reach an inflection point.

Michael Young

Analyst

Okay. And then just maybe in terms of kind of thinking of the size of the balance sheet on a go-forward basis, are you guys expect to see kind of a troughing of balance sheet and/or net loan growth kind of picking back up here over the near term? Or do you think that's going to take a little bit of time and then I guess another question would just be on the securities book. You've taken a lot of gains kind of offset the lower interest rate environment. Are there more of those that will be taken in the future?

Carlos Iafigliola

Analyst

Well, as we have always expressed, the investment portfolio serves as a tool to manage the overall duration of the balance sheet. So – and we have had that impact on the realized gains for three consecutive quarters. So it has been used on a progressive basis as to manage the overall duration and hedge the low levels of the NIM. So yes, so it's been actively used answering that part of the question. In terms of the size of the balance sheet, we may expect a sort of a stabilization of the total size of the balance sheet, we may have sort of – and I know that it's a challenge when you sell some securities to reinvest particularly at this point in time. And we're always looking for opportunities, and that's why the corporate side of the investment portfolio has been increasing a little bit more. So I would expect the balance sheet to see a stabilization during the fourth quarter, close to the $8 billion more or less. We haven't seen a lot of prepayments coming our way anyways. But as things started to get better and the opportunities for certain borrowers started to come across, we will probably be looking to refi and so on. So that will create a little bit more pressure on the total size of the loan portfolio.

Millar Wilson

Analyst

And on to positive. Michael, it's Millar here. We have these CDs that are repricing. And of course, that has a significant impact on our customers. It's because you're dropping the rate significantly. And when they are single-product-type customers, we are not afraid to let them go. And when we believe that there's zero opportunity to cross-sell to them. Frankly, if it means that they go because we're dropping the rates, so be it, and that may cause – the total deposits don't grow or don't grow significantly in the next quarters because of that situation, we prefer to have the impact on the cost go down rather than keep a single-product customer with no potential for becoming a relationship.

Carlos Iafigliola

Analyst

And it looks this time around based on the liquidity levels that we currently face in the market, even though we may face runoffs from that perspective, our transactional products have actually come up and have offset somehow the drop on the time deposits. So I believe there is opportunity with the level of liquidity that we have to continue to reprice aggressively the time deposits and keep improving profitability.

Michael Young

Analyst

Okay. And then the last one for me. Obviously, the 1% ROA target you guys kind of backed off of that, a lot of volatility now. So it's kind of hard to see a path forward. But is there sort of a metric or anything that you're managing to as we kind of move through this time period? Is it efficiency ratio or something else that we should be thinking of as we just kind of look forward?

Millar Wilson

Analyst

Well, it seems like we confirmed by having put in the ROA walk that we constantly get referred to. We measure ourselves against numerous metrics, and we have objective in those targets. I would tell you that given the current environment, it's very difficult to say with precision where we expect to be in the next quarters. We are currently working on our budget and our three-year plan. And at that time, we will be more able to express where our targets are. At the moment, it's really in flux at the moment.

Carlos Iafigliola

Analyst

To complement, I guess, we keep an eye. And as you can see on the last actions that we took on the efficiency ratio. That's an area that we really want it, and we give a very good view on the presentation, on the change on the FTEs. So we're definitely giving a lot of weight to that metric internally.

Michael Young

Analyst

Okay. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And our next question comes from Michael Rose from Raymond James. Your line is now open.

Michael Rose

Analyst

Good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. So obviously, a very busy quarter. A lot of activity going on. I just wanted to drill a little bit to kind of the expenses. How should we think about – I understand that the voluntary retirement program. And I understand the example that you gave around potentially getting down to 750 FTEs. How should we think about some of the offsets in terms of reinvestment? I assume there's still some more with nCino and some other efforts that you guys have. But just trying to get a sense for where you think the expense base will be if we start the year. I know it's a tough question to answer, but would just love to hear kind of the puts and takes and where you think we might end up? Thanks.

Carlos Iafigliola

Analyst

Okay. So pretty much, Hi Michael, how are you? For the fourth quarter, we – what we have so far, it's an estimated cost of the separation plans, which it may range between $6 million to $8 million depending on the acceptance level, what we could potentially foresee or estimate at this point is that based on the levels of acceptance that we receive in our previous plans that we put together in 2018. If we were to happen or we were to have the same type of acceptance that we had back then, we may experience roughly $8 million of savings a year in the benefits and salaries for employees, which will give you more or less between $45 million to $46 million a quarter of run rate on the noninterest expenses. That's kind of the general picture of the impact of those plans. And again, the run rate that I just said includes the digital transformation effort. So it's a net between all of those impacts.

Michael Rose

Analyst

Okay. So it sounds like...

Millar Wilson

Analyst

I was going to say, Michael, we get a better figure toward the end of this quarter because the candidates for the voluntary retirement have a mandatory 45 days to give their decisions.

Michael Rose

Analyst

Understood. I'm just trying to understand that it does include some reinvestment in digital transformation efforts. I assume it also includes the two branch closures, et cetera. Just trying to frame it out. Okay. That's very helpful. And then – so I noticed on the loan growth front, you guys actually purchased some consumer loans. Can you just give us some color there on exactly what you're buying and what the appetite is for additional purchases as we move forward? Thanks.

Carlos Iafigliola

Analyst

Yes. We have created sort of a partnership with SoFi. We started early this year. As you recall, our consumer exposure in the loan portfolio is little to nothing. So we thought that it would be a good idea to diversify away and increase the yield of the portfolio by adding more of this type of credits. So we started our partnership in early this year. We started with some purchases. And then, by the way, these are consumer loans. They are not student loans. They're just on the consumer side. So we started to purchase. We had a pause during the month of March due to the COVID situation and so on. We wanted to understand what changes in the underwriting criteria, et cetera, were applied, et cetera. And then we resume, we are closely monitoring that portfolio on a frequently basis, looking into the delinquencies, looking into all the possible metrics. And as of now, we are close to the $130 million. So far, it has been a good experience, and it provides a diversification for our portfolio. And at the same time, it helps with the yield of the portfolio.

Michael Rose

Analyst

Okay. So it sounds like maybe your near and near-term peak with that. And back to the previous question, just about the size of the balance sheet, we'll obviously get some PPP forgiveness. A little bit this quarter, probably the bulk of it in the first quarter of next year. As we think about the size of the balance sheet and some of these loan growth efforts, including the SoFi loans that you just mentioned, you've added the securities book a little bit through – there's some financial sub debt. It appears. Does it – do you get the sense that you can actually net grow the balance sheet ex the PPP runoff as we move through 2021? Thanks.

Carlos Iafigliola

Analyst

Yes. We are actually in the process of evaluating the size that we want to give to this portfolio. We definitely like the fact that it's a very granular portfolio. Average size, it's very little. And credit quality has been so far, very good, great average FICO scores, close to 742. So we definitely – we would like to replace some of our other PPP or other asset class by this type of lending. But we're trying to frame it on the right size for the overall portfolio. That's kind of the general idea. So I guess, as you have seen the progression of events, it's an asset class that we like it, and we feel that we need it in our loan portfolio.

Michael Rose

Analyst

Understood. Thanks for taking all of my questions.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And our next question comes from Stephen Scouten from Piper Sandler. Your line is now open.

Stephen Scouten

Analyst

Hey, good morning everyone.

Carlos Iafigliola

Analyst

Good morning. How are you doing?

Stephen Scouten

Analyst

So I guess maybe I'll start with the exposure to kind of these COVID vulnerable industries, 45%. I mean, obviously, I think that's a lot higher than most other banks are quoting. So I'm kind of wondering if you can frame that up any further in terms of how you're classifying those from an LTV perspective in terms of what's falling in those categories. And then just how you think you can convince investors to feel differently about your credit profile? Because obviously, where the stock is trading, there doesn't seem to be buying there. So I'm just wondering what you feel like the investment community is missing there in terms of your credit quality?

Carlos Iafigliola

Analyst

Hi Steve, thank you so much for joining us today. Great having you. It was a very good having you. So I'm going to give you a little bit of a flavor on this, and then I'm going to have Thiel Fischer from our credit risk team to give you more color. The percentage is pretty much related to the portfolio that we use as a reference to assign COVID-19 loan loss provision. We do our analysis in terms of which industries were immediately affected and progressively affected by COVID. So that part of the portfolio is the one that gave rise to the, I guess, institutional or generic reserves that we set aside for COVID. And now I'm going to have Thiel to give you more color on this.

Thiel Fischer

Analyst

So basically, what we have been doing during this time is to segregate and identify those industries that we are escalating their monitoring that we believe are the highly impacted industries. And so those are the ones that we're providing that supplemental information, the CRE, retail; the hotel, CRE also is two of the industries that we believe are impacted and as well as some of – in the [indiscernible] portfolios, some of the industries that we have mentioned before, but – such as entertainment, restaurants and some other wholesalers that sell – that have related sales to industries that are having impact. So that's what we classified as potential or have impacted industries. And we have a grading, so we have high-impacted and medium-impacted industries to try to segregate what is behind it. And what we try to segregate there is, for example, in retail, we're trying to see what portfolio is – has loan to values above 60%, and those are – we consider to be the highly most vulnerable than the ones that have lower loan to values. Same as for hotels and office space. In terms of – so that's how we segregate and that's what you see the 45% because we are trying to give you a perspective – I mean the COVID has impacted many industries. It's not just one industry, individually. So that's what we segregate our portfolio. And so what we have been doing is we do monitoring every week of the portfolio, the high exposures of the ones are around the forbearance that you have seen how we have been having a great success in the forbearance side by reducing that to what we had initially of $1.2 billion, which was almost 20% of our portfolio. And right now, it's only 1.7%. So I think that's – and as we review the portfolio, we have been making the decisions to classify our loans that you have seen the migration of classified loans that we have had.

Stephen Scouten

Analyst

Okay. Got it. Got it. And like you said, the deferral trends were positive this quarter. And really encouraging to me, I guess, was that you said there's no deferrals within your hotel book. I'm wondering specifically there, what you're seeing with your New York City and Miami hotel exposure in terms of occupancy rates. I know you had a bit of exposure that was over 80% LTV. So just kind of any detail on how you're thinking about that hotel exposure there?

Thiel Fischer

Analyst

Sure. What we have seen is – and we have seen a steady trend of what we reported last quarter. We have seen that in the high-yield travel area – or the destination travel areas, such as Miami Beach. We have seen steady occupancy levels around the 60%, 60-something percent occupancy. And where we have seen the issues or not as great recovery as it's been in the corporate type of travel. Those are in town, not in the travel destination areas. Those are the ones who are around the 40% sort of level. But what we have seen is that the sponsors that we have put a great effort in keeping these loans up to date, and they believe that the increase in occupancy is going to take them to the next level as we go through the travel season this time around.

Stephen Scouten

Analyst

Okay. Super. Very helpful. And then I guess last thing for me. I'm curious, you guys have a pretty strong loan loss reserve here, north of 2%. You have what appears to me to be a lot of capital and a stock that's trading below 50% of tangible book. So I'm wondering how you're thinking about share buybacks today? And if that's something that could be on the near-term horizon once we get maybe some additional clarity on the path of the buyers?

Millar Wilson

Analyst

Well, we look at our capital on a frequent basis. We look at the options that we have for usage of that capital. We are currently working on a most recent review of that. And yes, there's certainly would appear to be a lot of options at the moment for using our capital. So we don't have anything particular that we could say at the moment on that.

Stephen Scouten

Analyst

Got it. Okay, thanks for the time everyone. I appreciate the color.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And our next question comes from Brady Gailey from KBW. Your line is now open.

Brady Gailey

Analyst

Yes. Thanks, good morning guys.

Millar Wilson

Analyst

Good morning, Brady.

Brady Gailey

Analyst

So I wanted to follow up on the buyback question. Do you all have a buyback authorization that's out there? And if so, what's the remaining capacity there?

Millar Wilson

Analyst

No. We don't have a buyback authorization.

Brady Gailey

Analyst

Okay. So why wouldn't you have a buyback in place?

Millar Wilson

Analyst

We're certainly exploring that as one of the options. But up 'til now, it's not – we've never had a buyback option approved by the Board. We have done some privately negotiated buybacks as we announced. But certainly, it's a discussion that we have with the Board.

Carlos Iafigliola

Analyst

Yes. And then docs said half of tangible book value. And TCE, as you know, is over 10%, it seems like that would be a great idea.

Brady Gailey

Analyst

My next question is on the employee count. With the actions that you've recently announced, you said it's going to go down to 750 employees. I think that's from a peak of around 950. So you're down 200.

Millar Wilson

Analyst

We were actually over 1,000 just before the IPO.

Brady Gailey

Analyst

Okay. So you're down 250 employees. I mean, at 750, I mean, is that the bottom? Or do you think that over time, there's more work to be done there?

Carlos Iafigliola

Analyst

Well, there is a Hi, Brady how are you? It's a work in process. As we mentioned, we are implementing the new technology. There is simplification on the way that we perform processes, simplification and structures. Remember that we came from a different type of organization with more international flavor somehow. So we progressively are changing, and this is part of the changes that we need to go through. So we're constantly evaluating, looking at the branches, looking at physical space, looking at pretty much everything that is included in the noninterest expense. So it's – what I can say, it's a work in process.

Brady Gailey

Analyst

Okay. And then I think you just answered my last question, but I was going to ask on the branch front. I mean you closed two branches. Is there more opportunity there as well?

Miguel Palacios

Analyst

I think it's – Hi. It's Miguel, Brady. Like Carlos mentioned, we are constantly analyzing our footprint. We have anchor branches that are very important, but we have a profitability process in each and every location. And we are working aligned with the maturity of the leases and possible relocation and consolidation, and that's an ongoing concern. We want to be efficient and profitable in the area of our locations.

Brady Gailey

Analyst

I know when we went through the IPO process, you were talking about opening some branches, are there any additional branches or planned openings that are out there?

Miguel Palacios

Analyst

Not today.

Brady Gailey

Analyst

Okay. Alright, great. Thanks guys.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And our next question comes from Christopher Marinac from Janney Montgomery Scott LLC. Your line is now open.

Christopher Marinac

Analyst

Hi good morning, thanks for taking all the questions this morning. So I had a similar question as Stephen and Brady, as it relates to the buyback. I mean if you think about the use of your capital and just balance sheet, I mean, is there a better return than buying your stock back at 49% of book? And I'm just curious if this could have a priority as you think about allocating dollars in the next couple of quarters.

Millar Wilson

Analyst

Yes. You guys keep pressing us. The answer is we look at all options with regard to our capital. We have had discussions recently with our Board on these options. And we expect to be very active with regards to our capital.

Christopher Marinac

Analyst

Great. Thanks for the additional feedback on that. And then just back to the third-party deposit initiative that was outlined this morning. How does deposit mix kind of look six, nine months from now? Is it going to be different from what we see? Or is kind of the 9/30 deposit mix probably going to be the same?

Millar Wilson

Analyst

Well, I think that as you see in a lot of banks, the trend away from CDs is going to continue. I think customers, when they see that the differential between a money market rate and a CD rate is next to nothing, they're going to go more short-term into a money market accounts. But that also fits into our strategy, where we are – as I said earlier, we are focusing on, as we've expressed in several calls on relationships. We are not particularly interested in having customers who just have CD money with us and have no interest in extending that relationship with us. And so our expectation over time is that we are going to grow our core deposit base. It may include some CDs, but it's a relationship. It's not just individual CD customers.

Christopher Marinac

Analyst

Got it. And I guess your relative cost of deposits is going to continue to improve as a result of this, too, right?

Millar Wilson

Analyst

Well, yes. We expect there's significant maturities over the next three to five months in CDs. We expect them all to reprice significantly lower.

Christopher Marinac

Analyst

Great, Millar. Thank you very much. I appreciate it.

Millar Wilson

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And thank you. And I'm showing no further questions. I would now like to turn the call back to Mr. Wilson. You may proceed, sir.

Millar Wilson

Analyst

Well, thank you for joining our third quarter earnings call. Every day, we continue to make progress against our customer-centric strategy and our goals that we have said. We look forward to providing another update on our next call at the end of the quarter. Thank you again for your time today. We will now disconnect.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today’s conference call. Thank you for participating and you may now disconnect.