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The Andersons, Inc. (ANDE)

Q1 2009 Earnings Call· Thu, May 7, 2009

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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, thank you very much for your patience and welcome to the first quarter 2009 Anderson Incorporated earnings conference call. My name is Bill and I will be your conference coordinator for today. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. We will be facilitating a question-and-answer session towards the end of today’s conference. (Operator instructions) As a reminder, this conference is being recorded for replay purposes. I would now like to turn the presentation over to your host for today call, Mr. Gary Smith, Vice President of Finance & Treasurer. Please proceed.

Gary Smith

Management

Thank you Bill, thank you for joining us this morning for the first quarter conference call. As you know certain information that will be discussed today constitutes forward-looking statements. Actual results could differ materially from those presented in the forward-looking statements as a result of many factors, including general economic conditions, weather and competitive conditions, conditions in the company's industries both in the United States and internationally, and additional factors that are described in the company's publicly filed documents including its ‘34 Act filings and the prospectuses prepared in connection with the company's offerings. It also contains financial information of which as of date of the call the company's independent auditors have not completed their review, although the company believes the assumption upon which the financial information and its forward-looking statements are based are true they can give no assurance that these assumptions will prove to be true. Before Mike begins talking about our results of operations, I want to advise you that we have implemented FAS60 effective January 1, 2009 which relates to the presentation of noncontrolling interest, formerly classified as minority interest, in the consolidated financial statements. Under FAS60 noncontrolling interest is now included in the income statement captioned Net Income, net income attributable to the Andersons and earnings per share are comparable to those previously recorded as net income. In addition in the equity section of the balance sheet, noncontrolling interest is now presented as a component of shareholder equity. As we refer to net income during this conference call, we will be referring to net income attributable to the Andersons as defined by FAS160. Mike Anderson, President and CEO, and I will be available for questions after the call. Mike?

Mike Anderson

Management

Thank you Gary, good morning everyone. As noted in our press release, we generated net income of $5 million or $0.27 per diluted share on revenues of $697 million. 2008 we reported net income of $7.8 million or $0.42 per diluted share on $713 million revenue. Before we understand the total company’s results for the quarter, we will look at each of the five business groups. Grain & Ethanol Group had an operating income of $5.7 million in the first quarter versus $2.2 million a year ago. It should be noted that the prior year included a $1.3 million in nonrecurring development fee income. Grain business had record results this quarter. The Grain business benefitted from significantly higher space income that resulted primarily from sizeable basis gains and reduced interest charges. In contrast last year, our Grain business suffered a basis loss of just over $11 million during the same period. The Ethanol business loss was less than $1 million this quarter as results from all three Ethanol limited liability companies declined significantly from the prior year. With all three Ethanol plants operating for an entire quarter this year, fee income is up slightly. In the prior year the Ethanol business benefitted from margins being locked in before the decline in the Ethanol market. First quarter results from the group’s investment in Lansing Trade Group was significantly lower than last year due to Lansing having declined in its trading business. The cyclical nature of the commodity trading business coupled with the economic decline have impacted Lansing’s results this quarter. Although revenues are not necessarily a good indicator of performance within the Grain & Ethanol Group, total revenues were $481 million which is consistent with the prior year’s revenues of $499 million. This quarter includes $206 million of Grain & Ethanol…

Gary Smith

Management

Thank you Mike. The taxes, the first quarter 2009 effective tax rate was 36%, it is down 1% from the first quarter of 2008 but up 3% when you compare it to 2008 full year tax rate. The increase is mostly due to the tax benefit related to the 2008 state income tax credits resulting from the 2006 construction of an ethanol facility, we are projecting right now our 2009 full year tax rate to be 37%. Our allowance for doubtful accounts which appears as a separate line item on the income statement this quarter was we took a charge of $191,000 that is down $1.5 million from the same period last year. The allowance for doubtful accounts was higher in 2008 due to the significant inventory price volatility experienced in Grain & Ethanol and the Plant Nutrient Groups, However since prices have settled down and declined we have less counterparty risk. As of March 31, the company’s total interest expense was $6 million, down more than $3 million from the same period last year. Short-term interest expense for the first quarter was down more than $6 million while long-term interest was up approximately $3 million. Compared to the first quarter in 2008 our short-term average interest rates for the quarter were down more than 3% and the average short-term borrowings for the quarter was down approximately $0.5 million. We ended the quarter with about $25 million in short-term bank financing which is a pretty significant drop. EBITDA for the quarter was $21.3 million versus $28.4 million for the same period in 2008. When you look on our Web site you will see that the EBITDA has been adjusted for the noncontrolling interest. In 2009, the first quarter’s pretax income included a loss of approximately $4 million in equity earnings…

Mike Anderson

Management

Thanks. Before we take questions I have got a few more points. Considering the state of the economy and some of the specific challenges we have been dealing with, I feel okay about our overall performance this quarter. Our Grain & Ethanol Group had mixed results with record performance of the Grain business being offset by the results of the Ethanol business in Lansing Trade Group. Our Plant Nutrient Group was profitable in a quarter that historically has often been a loss quarter; however they were again affected by lower cost to market adjustments. The Turf & Specialty Group is performing well as the value added and proprietary product strategy they have pursued continues to be successful. The economic decline however has had an impact on our Rail Group and to a lesser extent on our Retail Group. It is at times like these that I am thankful for the diversity of our business unit, this was no accident, we purposefully diversified over the years and the strategy has positioned us to remain a strong and profitable company during uncertain economic times. As noted in the press release and after much consideration we have decided to discontinue our practice of giving earnings guidance at this time. But I am sure many of you are still wondering what this 2009 hold for the Andersons. Within the Grain & Ethanol Group I expect to continue to see mixed results as the Grain division should continue to prosper. However the Ethanol division will most likely continue to be impacted by the economics of the Ethanol industry I see our Rail Group continuing to be impacted by the slowdown in the rail shipment industry and overall economy, I expect our Plant Nutrient Group to provide a respectable return this year after the loss they incurred in the prior year. I believe that our Turf & Specialty Group’s proprietary and standard product line strategy should lead to continued growth in earnings from the group and lastly I believe that our Retail Group will continue to be impacted by the economic downturn. As we announced earlier this week, we intend to acquire Hartung Brothers Inc. Fertilizer Division this summer. We expect these six additional wholesale fertilizer locations to allow our Plant Nutrient Group to continue their growth initiative which has proven successful so far. As I have mentioned before, we intend to continue growing as we have been for several years now albeit with appropriate caution given the current times. We have continued to explore opportunities in our growth pipeline. With that we will open it up for question and answers. So Bill, we will turn it back to you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you very much sir. (Operator instructions) Our first question comes from the line of Farha Aslam of Stephens, Inc., please proceed. Farha Aslam – Stephens, Inc: Hi good morning.

Gary Smith

Management

Good morning.

Mike Anderson

Management

Good morning Farha. Farha Aslam – Stephens, Inc: Just some color around your Ethanol business, it is really performing far above our expectations, could you give us some color on any contracts that you might have locked in?

Mike Anderson

Management

We did have some contracts locked in ahead which was beneficial but it was not a substantial percentage and virtually none in wonderful locations. I would say we experienced reasonably good operating results in the plants themselves, productivity and throughput and we are trying to over a two-week period, sometimes the margins are quite ugly and sometimes they get close to breakeven and when they do we are willing to try to lock them in and so our expectations with the capacity we have in the Ethanol industry this year are that it is going to be very hard to achieve positive margins, so if we get to levels that we think are acceptable albeit at a loss we are willing to lock those particular ones in but we did have a little bit locked in ahead of two of our facilities which was of benefit and as we mentioned we now with everything up and running all three of the plants we have a slightly better fee income structure, yes all things being equal, we are pleased with a very small loss in that position. Farha Aslam – Stephens, Inc: Great. So when you look at the Greenville plant, right now it is still up and running, if you have to look at the cash flow how bad would the Ethanol need to get for you to consider closing that Greenville facility?

Gary Smith

Management

Well, it would have to get to a negative margin, there is no question. So it has to be below our fixed operating cost so that we could not satisfy the debt obligations and we are not there. Farha Aslam – Stephens, Inc: Not there yet?

Gary Smith

Management

No. Farha Aslam – Stephens, Inc: And for the foreseeable future you anticipate that facility to continue to operate?

Gary Smith

Management

Yes Farha Aslam – Stephens, Inc: Okay and then when you look at your plant nutrients in the quarter what was the total volume, you have given us acquisition, what would be that number including acquisitions?

Mike Anderson

Management

I am sorry, the question is what was the total volume increase including the acquisitions? Farha Aslam – Stephens, Inc: Yes.

Mike Anderson

Management

Yes it is interesting, without acquisitions it was down 15%, with acquisitions it was up 15%.

Gary Smith

Management

Yes.

Mike Anderson

Management

It is the exact same percentage, just one up one down. Farha Aslam – Stephens, Inc: And then if you look at the acquisition you have just made which will close in July, how much on annual basis will that add to your volume?

Gary Smith

Management

What we reported was $60 million in revenue last year and 145,000 tons of capacity and so you can compare that to – you can look at the sales dollars and from a capacity perspective, we have approximately 750,000 in capacity today with our other facilities. So that is the comparison we will have to work with. After we close the transaction my sense is there will be more information available through the 10-Q. Farha Aslam – Stephens, Inc: Okay and my final question is on rail lease rates, could you just give us some color around those lease rates, what percentage they are up and down and what a standard rail car is going for today?

Mike Anderson

Management

Yes, you used the word standard and that is wrong because there is no standard rate but I would say this versus the last high cycle we had 2005, 2006, we are down about 25% in lease rates and the trend will suggest to us that there is maybe another 5% or so drop coming but it really does depend on specific car types that we are talking about. So I am talking about maybe a typical grain covered copper [ph] we are down maybe $15 a car year over year and kind of average rates of those cars being leased and our mix as you know includes a mix of full service leases and those that are not full service. So we are clearly down year over year and it is trending a little bit lower. The asset values of our fleet are also going down. So I would say for us not that lease rates are important, they are terribly important, but the major driver of the drop in income is utilization much more so than lease rates. Farha Aslam – Stephens, Inc: Okay, thank you very much for your comments.

Mike Anderson

Management

Thanks Farha.

Operator

Operator

Thank you very much. Ladies and gentlemen, your next question comes from the line of Heather Jones of BB&T Capital Markets. Please proceed. Heather Jones – BB&T Capital Markets: Good morning.

Mike Anderson

Management

Good morning.

Gary Smith

Management

Good morning Heather. Heather Jones – BB&T Capital Markets: Just to follow up real quick on the rail question and your commentary in the release about utilization could go lower, I believe you, and I may have missed this, but I believe you said that you thought lease rates could go 5% lower, how much lower do you think utilization rates could go?

Gary Smith

Management

We have spent a lot of time trying to model this so we kind of have a range, it is very believable to me that we could get to the 80% level, now that assumes that we continue to see rail car loadings down week to week anywhere 15% to 20% of all types and I would expect that to continue for a while but what we don’t know is just at what point in time will we stop getting more returns than we are putting back out on lease which is in essence the driver of the utilization, but the trend suggests that we will continue to drop in utilization. I can build a more pessimistic scenario than that too. So – Heather Jones – BB&T Capital Markets: I am sure you could.

Gary Smith

Management

So that does not suggest that that is exactly what we are predicting and I am not going to give kind of the range of the scenarios but it is reasonable for me to see that in the near future we could drop below the 80% level. Heather Jones – BB&T Capital Markets: So going (inaudible) represent roughly 10% of our rail assets?

Gary Smith

Management

Of the (inaudible). Heather Jones – BB&T Capital Markets: Yes.

Gary Smith

Management

It is a little less than that. It is approximately about 8% to 9%. Heather Jones – BB&T Capital Markets: Okay so I assume there is meaningful weakness there and then of the remainder roughly 20% comes up for renewal every year and it sounds as if you are also having a fair amount of those that might get renewed as well.

Gary Smith

Management

Yes that is correct. I want to add that obviously the utilization going down it is obvious that what you said is right on the money but we have been able this quarter to get some cars placed that are not renewals and we are seeing enquiries in the second quarter albeit not at the pace that cars are being returned. So it is not as if there is nothing happening out there. Heather Jones – BB&T Capital Markets: So do you get a feel that things are worsening or do they seem to be not improving but you are sort of bumping along the bottom?

Gary Smith

Management

Somebody used the phrase and it was heard a lot, I don’t know if it is comforting or not, the rate of decline is decreasing. Heather Jones – BB&T Capital Markets: That actually is good news.

Gary Smith

Management

So it is in that respect.

Mike Anderson

Management

Actually statistics would say that it is declining.

Gary Smith

Management

It is still declining and we would expect that for a while. Note that in the first quarter our shop business was down quite a bit in fact more than we thought it would be and we are seeing an uptick in that area right now in the midst of our income, it is a small piece of the mix but it is nice to see an uptick in that area going on right now starting this month. Heather Jones – BB&T Capital Markets: Okay. Now moving on to other segments, going to your Ethanol business, first on the Greenville plant, is that still running at less efficient rates as your Albion & Climbers plant?

Gary Smith

Management

Slightly. Heather Jones – BB&T Capital Markets: So you have closed that gap some.

Gary Smith

Management

Yes. Heather Jones – BB&T Capital Markets: Okay. Given that you have only lost $1 million in the quarter, given the corn prices, Ethanol prices, etc, is it fair to assume that a lot of the loss from the plants was offset with those risk activities you do through TAAE [ph]?

Mike Anderson

Management

No I think – we are working really hard on any given day to look at is this a data lock-in margin. Some of the risk activities that we have done before when we had our markets that were really trending in the direction will put us (inaudible) or would have us use some derivative strategies, I would say we are not doing anything really too aggressive to try and offset basic margins, for the most part we are working hard to lock-in margins when we can although we will still do a little bit of that and it is helping to some extent.

Gary Smith

Management

Yes, historically there has been some arbitrage income there and in the 10-Q you will be able to pick that out. Heather Jones – BB&T Capital Markets: Yes because it was a big help last year.

Mike Anderson

Management

Yes in the first quarter last year in the Q it was around $5 million help and it is very close to breakeven this year. So it is much less trying to enhance by taking positions in the market than it is on a day where all of a sudden we can get a margin that we feel is worthy of bowing and taking albeit at a loss, we will jump on it. Heather Jones – BB&T Capital Markets: Okay and what is your view on that business for the rest of the year? Do you believe, do you anticipate maybe still a sort of like the rail issue, sort of still negative not good but better than Q1?

Gary Smith

Management

I am not going to necessarily say better in Q1, I would say the last six months of last year we were in a position in margins in spot and forward that made us feel maybe more like rail right now and we moved to a point where margins in the spot are albeit negative are a little better. But the reality is we have more capacity, we have substantial capacity still idle in the US. We have some new capacity that is coming on, some of that idle capacity will be coming back on as a result of new owners and firing up plants and although the margin structure for the blenders today absolutely supports blending Ethanol the limit of 10% Ethanol that we hope changes sometime in the next six to nine, twelve months and the mandate where it is suggests that we will continue to have volume of supply that is greater than demand which will continue to put pressure on margin. What we don’t know is exactly what oil does in that mix to either help offer Ethanol margins and we don’t know what corn will do in that mix to either help or hurt the margins. But we are pretty pleased with the performance we had in Ethanol. We are not going to sit here and suggest that that will necessarily improve in the next nine months. We are going to work hard to try and limit the loss to as low a number as we can and maybe with a little bit of luck can bounce up a little but we can also develop a scenario for whatever reason oil (inaudible) economics are as good and/or we have a crop problem with a corn and that margin structure can get impaired and we move…

Gary Smith

Management

The vast majority of that was put on summer, early fall last year it would have been for the crop year that we are in which ends June 30 this year. So we realized the chunk of those in the first quarter and will have more in the second quarter and I am not going to disclose the exact amount but obviously if we had, I would say we had several elements in our gross profit mix this year, the $2.9 million mark to market obviously was a negative being offered by in that quarter, more gains, healthy margins as a result of this deferred business then we had some spot business that we were able to put through plus we have good margins in our specialty industrial business and the new southern region in the lime business we acquired were all positive. Frankly when we got through February our view was that there was very little likelihood that we have any additional write-downs even though we still owned the inventory and that was based on kind of our outlook at that time but this planning delay with what is in the pipeline still the combination of those has caused some additional pressure on pricing which we think will likely continue here for a little bit. So as we did our end of the year release we were sitting at a timeframe I cannot remember the exact scope but we thought that we took the bulk of the write-down I think we said something to the effect that we believe that we have taken all or maybe substantially all and at least till now it is standing out that way. And the write-downs are only in certain nitrogen products and phosphate products, they are not in a number of our other products. Heather Jones – BB&T Capital Markets: Okay and finally on the grain business, you had a pretty easy comp but even with that said it was still a really good quarter, the comparisons are not as easy going forward but still how we are looking at the basis for this it looks like you still could have a – that could be a good business for you for the rest of the year but we are just wanting to get your take on the outlook as far as the space income?

Gary Smith

Management

I had a feeling that question was coming, you recall this time a year ago they offered that question and we were trying – in fact we said we believed all the basic loss that we took would come back, the bulk of that was and in fact we ended up having a really good full year space income year. This year we are having a record first quarter and the major driver, not the only driver, but the major driver is space income, that is something where timing is a big deal and the space income comes from a combination of what basis does, does it go up or does it go down, what the grain spreads are, and what we are able to lock in for and the storage income that we have in place, and as you noted we had a really good first quarter. We are friendly to our green business but it is the opposite of last year but we think we front-end loaded some income as a result of just how the market moved relative to space income, so if we look at for the rest of the year we are not expecting the last reporter this year to do what they did last year, all things being equal we think we ought to be able to equal or modestly exceed last year’s total number. There is an awful lot of planning that has to take place and somehow or other we have to go through them. It is probably our standard disclaimer about this time every year. Heather Jones – BB&T Capital Markets: No I understood, okay thank you again.

Gary Smith

Management

Yes.

Operator

Operator

Thank you very much ma’am. (Operator instructions) Our next question comes from the line of Michael Cox of Piper Jaffray. Please proceed. Michael Cox – Piper Jaffray: Thank you very much and congratulations on the quarter guys.

Mike Anderson

Management

Thanks Michael.

Gary Smith

Management

Thanks Mike. Michael Cox – Piper Jaffray: In terms of your outlook on the Plant Nutrient side, I will be curious what your thoughts are on volumes excluding the acquisitions as you look through the balance of the year, it is down 15% where you think you will be if you look at the full year?

Mike Anderson

Management

There are two things in that, there is the property which ends June 30 really this season and everything that is going on suggests that that trend will likely continue but we had a really good weather here in April and May. I think I would be sitting here for one we probably would not have had the mark-to-market issue we had and we would be sitting here feeling that we would gain back on some volume. So I think it is reasonable to assume through the second quarter we are going to have volume that is lower than the prior year. Now, let’s get to the last half of the year. If you recall suddenly about August volume just shot off. Our fourth quarter and the end of the third quarter last year was unbelievably poor volume and we know why; prices were dropped like –were still high and were starting to drop; so, we would expect that in the second half of the year that we’d expect volume to be better than last year; so, if we look over a full year, there is the possibility we could gain back in the second half what we lose in the first half, but I’d say right now with the kind of the delay in the crop progress that I’d say even volume would be the best we would do but we should do much better in the second half this year than a year ago on volume on margin too given the mark-to-market issues we had last year. Michael Cox – Piper Jaffray: Sure, that’s helpful. And in terms of the inventory adjustment you’re looking at potentially here in the second quarter, could you size that up relative to the $2.9 million that you took in Q1?

Mike Anderson

Management

Yes. Originally, we’re right in the draft of this about a week or so, though we were saying that maybe we could have an increase; and, now just a little more delays in the weather and what’s going on the market suggests it is likely. I really will struggle to size that up for you, but I would say, I think – I feel right now, like we did at the end of the year that we believe we’ve taken the bulk of the write-downs; and I would say, again, only would be in phosphate and possibly nitrogen, and we have continued I would say, the continued deferred stuff we sold last year that we locked in margin on as we shift that will take margin this year. So, I’m sitting here expecting that the net of our margin will be a positive experience, knowing that we’re dealing with a situation where the pricing in the market could cause us to have a different feeling; but all I can say is I’m expecting us to return to a normal profitability situation overall. We’ve got some good things going on in the margin side; and then, there is overhang of this inventory position we’re working through that I would hope and expect would not be that significant in that what we’ve experienced so far this year might be in the zone of what we will experience; but I can’t say that with any certainty right now. Michael Cox – Piper Jaffray: Okay, that’s helpful. So, I’m clear on this. It sounds like that perhaps the deferred sale and pre-sale, and if we were to match that up against the inventory investment that that’s approximately a wash. Is that fair to assume?

Mike Anderson

Management

In the first quarter, the margin experience was more of a net gain in that relationship that you said; and I would hope and expect that is the same this quarter with more certainty on the deferred sale margin will have not as much certainty on the other; but I want to add in that we do a substantial amount of specialty fertilizer business, industrial business, which should be healthy margin; and as I indicated, our southern region and the new line of business have been additive to us in the first quarter, and the timing of their seasons would also suggest that this second quarter will be good quarters for them also. Michael Cox – Piper Jaffray: Okay. On the acquisition of the Hartung Brothers Fertilizer group, could you talk a little bit about their inventory position and the comfort level you have of making an acquisition in these types of conditions?

Mike Anderson

Management

Yes, I will. The closing on that is the end of July, and we would expect all of the inventory that they will have that would have been exposed – maybe potentially acquire higher levels have been worked through. They do a substantially more back to back in prepaid business so they did not have here the relative exposure in this business; but we would look at that as being a non-issue and one of the reasons why the closing date is when it is the time when inventory levels are quite a lot low. Michael Cox – Piper Jaffray: Okay, that’s helpful. And my last question is on the Lansing Trading Group. I’m just wondering if you could maybe provide a little more color on what either income contribution or loss was for Q1 from Lansing specifically; and then, what your thoughts are on that contribution for the balance of the year.

Mike Anderson

Management

Yes, we had a – it was a very modest loss, it was the negative stuff they called at the end of the year. In our first quarter call, we had some mark-to-market issues on a number of things that made for a very poor fourth quarter. There was a little carryover on one element of inventories that they have that is agreed as a negative. And in our proprietary trading, futures trading, derivative trading we had a modest loss that’s cyclical and seasonal. That was a drag. And one of the things that occurred over the last couple of years, we’ve got nice uptakes and income from biofuel trading especially with the ability to put stuff on ahead and the margin structure in Ethanol, which I described, were much more in the stock market. There is very little trading out forward, and that’s true in a lot of the commodities as people are staying a little close to invest; so, some of the opportunities that we generally had have just not been out there. On some of their traditional business in the grain elevators that they do own have performed reasonably well here. We would expect to get back into the profit side; and right now, I would say we’re not expecting a banner year. Maybe last year’s results would be a reasonably proxy at this point in time. The difference is, last year, we had an exceedingly good first quarter and then we had a terrible fourth quarter so if we play out this way – and again this is a trading business, so each day you’re starting fresh but assuming what I’m saying plays out, then we should have played a bit better for the last three quarters in Lansing this year than last year. Michael Cox – Piper Jaffray: All right, good. Thank you very much.

Mike Anderson

Management

Yes.

Operator

Operator

Thank you very much, sir. Ladies and gentlemen, your next question comes from the line of Charlie Rentschler of Wall Street Access. Please proceed. Charlie Rentschler – Wall Street Access: Thank you. Good morning.

Mike Anderson

Management

Good morning, Charlie.

Gary Smith

Management

Good morning, Charlie. Charlie Rentschler – Wall Street Access: On the short side of the balance sheet, there was considerable deleveraging in the first quarter; and I wonder if you could talk about – Gary went through some of those numbers pretty quickly but – what was driving that? What were you doing with all that?

Gary Smith

Management

Well, inventory values were declining; and so, when the mark-to-market our grain inventory and get our margin deposits back, that’s all run through the balance sheet almost immediately; and I think in a normal year where you have the unknown grain early in the year and the closer you get to harvest then you have everything going, it often becomes a windfall of cash for us; but in this case, we came off of substantially higher values; and as a result, if you look at it quarter-over-quarter, it was a significant cash flow increase for us. We don’t typically see it quite this radical, but we don’t see the kinds of investments that we did last March, a year ago March, so – but it’s not a very positive thing for us; and, obviously, we’re pleased that we had the liquidity all during last year to satisfy the bankers. Charlie Rentschler – Wall Street Access: Yes. So, I mean, you like the position you’re at right now?

Gary Smith

Management

We sure do. Yes. Charlie Rentschler – Wall Street Access: Mike, I wonder if you can get into the head of the Farmer Brown out there in the Corn Belt, what do you think is going through his head in terms of looking at the planting corn versus beans or vice versa, and his thoughts about expenses; in your case, of course, particularly fertilizers? Do you think he’s trying to pull back here and there? What’s your thoughts on that?

Mike Anderson

Management

Yes, really good question. We have pegged corn planting around $84 million in that range and assuming the weather – if the weather cooperates, I think it’s still reasonable to – it’s going to be in that range; and that, I would say, in some areas of the geography where we are which takes Central Illinois, East Central Illinois, that ‘s corn country; and the specific farmers I’ve talked to out there are very clear that they intend to plant as much corn as before, and/or follow whatever rotations they have in that corn. The ability to get additional yield is such that they will not scrimp at all on the nitrogen; but they’re very cautious on phosphate and potassium, and letting their – I would say, their agronomic work on the – what’s in their soil, guide their decision. As you get into more ground that is maybe not productive for corn, but you don’t – near the advantage, it will stay in Northern Ohio, Michigan, and what not you’ll see more of willingness for – well, first of all, there is a bias to keep with rotation, so start with that; but there is also willingness to go with the more beans primarily because of the cost of inputs relative to output; and they don’t necessarily get the boost in yield like they would in East Central Illinois; so, we’re seeing a tendency in willingness to go to a little bit more bean acres. On the cost side, there is no question that the corn price having – it’s interesting to see having drifted down to the $4 range when just a few years ago $3 would have been high; but we didn’t have inputs at the levels where they are at but there is no doubt that we’re seeing a continued rejection on the part of the number of farmers in the areas of T and K, not too much N. N prices have come down quite a bit as has phosphate; and they’re willing to buy and use the nitrogen that they had before; so, it was a nice run for a couple of years where income revenue topline was going up faster than input cost. Well, the opposite is true right now and so there is a tightening of the belt on the expense side. Charlie Rentschler – Wall Street Access: Thank you for that very interesting appraisal. Last question about Lansing grain, are you happy with where you’re at, or do you think you’re going to continue to buy more of that?

Mike Anderson

Management

Our plan all along was to potentially get up to around the 50%. We’re just under that and we’re happy with where we are right now. Charlie Rentschler – Wall Street Access: Okay. Thank you.

Mike Anderson

Management

Yes.

Operator

Operator

Thank you very much. And ladies and gentlemen, we do have time for one more question and it comes from the line of Ian Horowitz of Soleil Securities. Please proceed. Ian Horowitz – Soleil Securities: Good morning guys.

Mike Anderson

Management

Hi, Ian.

Gary Smith

Management

Hi, Ian. Ian Horowitz – Soleil Securities: Can I go through this mechanical question on the capacities, volume capacity for plant nutrients? In the second quarter on a year-over-year basis capacity line, we should be flat; and then, when we come into the third quarter due to the Hartung Brothers acquisition then we’ll start to see the increase in volume capacity. Is that right?

Gary Smith

Management

Yes. August 1 and if the closing goes as projected which would be July 31, the third quarter would have an effect with Hartung coming in.

Mike Anderson

Management

Yes. There’s just a modest increase in capacity because of the acquisition of Douglass Fertilizer which happened in the second quarter of last year and the total line business we bought which was in the third quarter; but there are – although, if you take Douglass, our new Southern region does substantial volume, they do not have substantial storage capacity, and the same is true with the total line business; so, from a theory perspective, it’s just as you said Ian; and the theory confirmed. Ian Horowitz – Soleil Securities: Okay. And then, we’ve talked about some of your thoughts on M&A in this space; from what we understand, there is a lot of wholesale/retail operators that are in pretty challenging positions right now. Do you see yourselves continuing to kind of take advantage to this moment, the increase in your capacity?

Mike Anderson

Management

Yes. That would be our intent. Now, that’s got to match up with the opportunity and we’ve been a potential seller or a merger candidate; and that, as we know, it’s uncertain until you actually sign a deal. But we really like the capabilities we have albeit we do manage our risk, our price risk well last year. We feel we’ve cleaned up our shop on that and we look at the current time as a time of opportunity and the recent acquisition we just announced an indication of that. We hope that we’ll be able to see more. Ian Horowitz – Soleil Securities: Okay. And the remainder of the Hartung Brothers is going to stay back with them, and they’re going to operate their seed business and other retail operations, is that correct?

Mike Anderson

Management

Yes. Seed there and their substantial produce business. Ian Horowitz – Soleil Securities: Okay, right.

Mike Anderson

Management

Correct. Ian Horowitz – Soleil Securities: And then a quick question on grain. When we look at the recent grain stocks report, a significant amount of – there’s been a significant change in the amount of grain being held on farm versus downstream, what are your comments on this? How do you feel about this? How is this impacting your utilization needs in this business and then on top of that, planning progress is continuing to be – you guys had the challenge. How are you modeling utilization rights in the grain business over the next growing season if we continue to see underperformance in plan?

Mike Anderson

Management

We like what we see. One of the reason so much have been held at farm as basis levels were so cheap that it encouraged the farmers that had space to keep it there. They did what the market signal told them to do. As we look forward and you talk about our model, we do quite a bit of extensive modeling around – probably more so on the impact of planning on price; and we know one of the residual impacts on planning is if we have a draw down in corn stocks, there would be a reduction in the amount of income that could be made from what we call space income, so – and there’s something that we’ve – it’s something that we deal with the volatility that we deal with all the time. And so, we’re sitting here with our scenarios on what we call an average case, a better case, the pessimistic case, the worst case, and we’re running those numbers regularly. Both to understand its impact on our income, but probably more importantly understand the potential impact on short-term lines of credit to support margin calls; and then, we ran into that dynamic last year as we all know. So we cannot control what is the risk implanted. The market is setup to plant substantial acreage. Most years, we get it in. I suspect that we will but I’d rather be ahead than behind. Ian Horowitz – Soleil Securities: Okay. What’s the impact of corn and bean switching away from the normal rotation to your grain business?

Mike Anderson

Management

Well, corn is – first of all right now, wheat is a huge contributor to space income and we have substantial wheat stocks throughout that we would expect that unless something changes materially in the demand for wheat that was just lodged and their elevators will stay there and provide good income, and we’ll have the ability to originate more wheat this summer. So if the dominant piece of our space income right now, corn is second by far beans very little. So if we switch over to beans from corn, it is a hit both in volume because you don’t produce as much per acre and it’s a hidden space income. I do recall, we have had years where our space income has gone as low as zero, or to a modest loss versus we’ve had years per bushel was better than what we experienced last year although, last year was quite good. So it’s a major factor.

Gary Smith

Management

And that switch will also impact the plant nutrients.

Mike Anderson

Management

Yes, because corn takes more nutrients. Ian Horowitz – Soleil Securities: Okay. Absolutely.

Mike Anderson

Management

It’s a huge issue to watch literally in the next four weeks. Ian Horowitz – Soleil Securities: But it doesn’t seem like – you guys have said that you’re running these different scenarios yet; but it’s still too early to tell from one direction or the other.

Mike Anderson

Management

Yes, it is. And actually the future of market is an indicator of that, corn has bounced up just a little bit here; but it’s still saying in the $4 to $4.50 less than $4.50 for these corns. You could see, it bounce a little over the last couple of weeks as delay in corn planting occurred and the core markets is going to be your barometer of are we starting to get into a trouble situation or not. And so far, it’s not indicating that. Ian Horowitz – Soleil Securities: Okay. Okay, great. Thank you very much.

Mike Anderson

Management

Yes. Okay. I think that was our last question. I want to thank you all for joining us. The next conference call is scheduled for Thursday August 6 at 11 to review our second quarter 2009 results. We hope you’re able to join us then and until then have a great day and thanks for being with us. Bye-bye.

Gary Smith

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you very much, sir; and thank you, ladies and gentlemen for your participation in today’s conference call. This concludes your presentation for today. You may now disconnect. Have a good day.