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The Andersons, Inc. (ANDE)

Q3 2018 Earnings Call· Sat, Nov 10, 2018

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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to The Andersons 2018 Third Quarter Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question-and-answer session and instructions will be given at that time. [Operator Instructions]. And as a reminder, this conference call may be recorded. I would now like to introduce your host for today’s conference, Mr. John Kraus, Director of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

John Kraus

Analyst

Thanks, Crystal. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us for The Andersons Third Quarter 2018 Earnings Call. We’ve provided a slide presentation that will enhance today’s discussion. If you’re viewing this presentation via our webcast, the slides and commentary will be in sync. This webcast is being recorded, and the recording and the supporting slides will be made available on the Investors page of our Web site at andersonsinc.com shortly. Certain information discussed today constitutes forward-looking statements, and actual results could differ materially from those presented in the forward-looking statements as a result of many factors, including general economic conditions, weather, competitive conditions, conditions in the company’s industries, both in the United States and internationally, and additional factors that are described in the company’s publicly filed documents, including its '34 Act filings and the prospectuses prepared in connection with the company’s offerings. Today’s call includes financial information, which the company’s independent auditors have not completely reviewed. Although the company believes that the assumptions upon which the financial information and its forward-looking statements are based are reasonable, it can give no assurance that these assumptions will prove to be accurate. This presentation and today’s prepared remarks contain non-GAAP financial measures. The company believes that adjusted pre-tax income, EBITDA and adjusted EBITDA provide additional information to investors and others about its operations, allowing an evaluation of underlying operating performance and better period-to-period comparability. Adjusted pre-tax income, EBITDA and adjusted EBITDA do not and should not be considered as alternatives to net income, or income before income taxes, as determined by generally accepted accounting principles. On the call with me today are Pat Bowe, Chief Executive Officer; and Brian Valentine, Chief Financial Officer. After our prepared remarks, Pat, Brian and I will be happy to take your questions. Corey Jorgenson, who’s President of our Grain Group, is also with us and is available to address questions. Now I’ll turn the floor over to Pat for his opening comments.

Pat Bowe

Analyst

Thank you, John, and good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining our call this morning to review our third quarter 2018 results. I’ll start by providing some viewpoints on each of our four business groups. After Brian presents his business review, I’ll conclude our prepared remarks with some comments about our outlook for the remainder of the year and give you a brief look into what we’re beginning to see for 2019. Our third quarter results fell short of our third quarter 2017 results but a significant reason for that shortfall is a timing difference caused by lower basis values in the grain business, driven by abundant grain stocks and near-record corn and soybean yields. The Ethanol Group performed very well in the third quarter but we see some difficulties on the horizon as ethanol prices remain at multiyear lows. Results for Plant Nutrient and Rail groups were comparable year-over-year. The Rail Group continues to ride a gradual market recovery. Grain Group income declined during the quarter as corn and soybean basis levels fell. Frankly, resulting basis reset has provided a good opportunity to purchase most of our grain from this harvest at historically low basis levels. As a result, we’re confident that the market conditions we faced in the third quarter ultimately present opportunities over the course of the next two or three quarters. The other parts of the grain business, namely our risk management, food ingredients and affiliated companies, all recorded better year-over-year results. That was especially the case for Lansing Trade Group, which we’re in the process of acquiring. We’re very excited about the prospect of uniting our two companies. The Ethanol Group’s success in the quarter was derived from continuing good plant operations, much improved DDG values and timely hedging. Their results are especially gratifying given…

Brian Valentine

Analyst

Thanks, Pat, and good morning, everyone. We’re now on Slide 5. In the third quarter of 2018, the company reported a net loss attributable to The Andersons of $2.1 million or $0.07 per diluted share on revenues of $686 million. Earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization, or EBITDA, were $24 million. These results include the impacts to grain inventories of declining basis levels that were atypically large and have shown signs of reversing. The impact of those grain market conditions also helped cause our results to finish short of our third quarter 2017 results when our revenues of $837 million generated net income of $2.5 million or $0.09 per diluted share. Third quarter 2017 EBITDA was $32 million. As we’ve noted in earlier 2018 quarters, new revenue recognition rules effective at the beginning of this year changed the way certain transactions are recorded, particularly in the Grain Group. This reduction in grain sales has no effect on pre-tax income. Total third quarter 2018 sales would have been $859 million or 25% higher than the comparable 2017 revenue under the former revenue recognition rules. Several discrete tax items raised the company’s effective tax rate for the third quarter of 2018 to 48.5%. We continue to expect that our 2018 full year effective tax rate will be between 23% and 25%. Corporate unallocated net expenses of $2.1 million in the quarter included some unusual items. We recorded pre-tax income of $5.1 million or $0.14 per share from Maumee Ventures, our venture capital arm, including $3.9 million from the sale of one investment and $1.2 million from the increase in the value of another. We also incurred $3.5 million or $0.09 per share in transaction expenses associated with the agreement to acquire the remaining equity of Lansing Trade Group. Our long-term debt…

Pat Bowe

Analyst

Thanks, Brian. We’re well into the fall harvest with a grain business that is well positioned that should finish the year strongly. While the Plant Nutrient and Rail Groups are doing its best to take advantage of gradually improving markets, we have some near-term concerns at our Ethanol Group as we begin to consider our prospects for 2019. The Grain Group’s performance through harvest gives us confidence in strong earnings for the fourth quarter of 2018 and moving into 2019. We expect the full year 2018 earnings for our base grain business will be similar to its adjusted 2017 pre-tax income and should have strong momentum heading into 2019. Major factors include stronger corn and soybean basis potential as well as wider merchandizing margins on the bushels we handle. While wheat earnings potential is still historically favorable, earnings from grain ownership has become more balanced among all three grains. We also think the fourth quarter results from risk management and food ingredients will meet or beat those of 2017. Lansing and Thompsons each continue to improve their performance and build momentum. Speaking of Lansing, I can report that pre-close planning and integration work has ramped up and is going quite well. The reaction to the news of this pending acquisition by our customers and employees has been very positive. We expect to close the transaction in January. Bottom line is that we view the operating environment going into 2019 as very good for the Grain Group. The Ethanol Group performed very well in the third quarter, but margins have declined in the past couple of months and don’t show signs of improving anytime soon. The Group had comparatively less of its margins hedged going into the fourth quarter than it did entering the third quarter. Despite high export demand, rising…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions]. Our first question comes from Heather Jones from Vertical Group. Your line is open.

Heather Jones

Analyst

Good morning. Thanks for taking the questions.

Pat Bowe

Analyst

Good morning, Heather.

Heather Jones

Analyst

So I have a number of questions. I guess, start with ethanol first. When you say Q4 somewhat lower than '17 – I’m showing '17 you made somewhere between 6 million and 7 million in Q4 for ethanol. And I would have thought it would be much lower. But you’re saying only somewhat lower? Did I understand you correctly?

Pat Bowe

Analyst

Yes, that’s correct, Heather. So entering into the quarter – at the time we entered the quarter we had about 35% of the Q4 already hedged and about 20% of Q1 of next year. We have one more shutdown of our four plants to complete coming up here in a week or two, so we’ll be in good running stead at the time. Now spot margins are still very tough, as you all know. I think we’re about $1.35 a gallon at opus in Argo, so that’s about down 12% from 2017. So as I indicated, we have a little bit of hedge going into the quarter that will help. Those weren’t at great numbers, but at decent numbers. So we don’t see a huge drop off, but the numbers will be lower.

Heather Jones

Analyst

So you think it’s highly unlikely that you’re breakeven or loss making?

Pat Bowe

Analyst

Yes.

Heather Jones

Analyst

Okay. And when I think about '19 for ethanol, clearly you all had some timely hedges, et cetera, so that’s going to impact the comparison. But if we think about it just from a spot market versus spot market basis, what are your thoughts about the likelihood of this current environment continuing, assuming that China doesn’t come back – there’s no resolution on that front, what are your views on the likelihood of spot market fundamentals improving in '19 versus what we’ve been seeing in the last couple months?

Pat Bowe

Analyst

Yes, the outlook, as you said, is a little bit complex because the export market has been strong. We think we’ll finish the year just over 1.6 billion gallons, which is good, and that’s without China. Of course, we have the G20 Summit coming up at the end of the month in Buenos Aires and any positive news on China trade would be helpful to soybeans and grain as well as ethanol DDGs. The outlook – these are historically low prices for ethanol and the value as an oxygenate and an octane booster is still really great value and it’s really cheap on the global market. So you’d think we have a lot more upside than downside from this level on price. Having said that, there’s nothing right now that’s getting the market excited about an increase in ethanol price. So I think in the – the first half of the year will be slow, but we could see some nice increases as we get into the latter part of the year.

Heather Jones

Analyst

Okay. And then going to fertilizer, you mentioned that it will take a while for wholesale margins to recover. Can you help us understand why? Like what drove the lower margin mix in contract manufacturing? It seems like specialty deteriorated further. Like when do we see that business stabilize and actually grow?

Pat Bowe

Analyst

It’s a good – we have to divide it into three segments, and thank you for pointing that out. As you know, wholesale NPK prices have rebounded quite a bit. You’ve seen that with the miners who announced their earnings here of late. Prices were higher. We were a little bit down on some of the volume in some of our segments here. Basically, our fall early application was impacted by wet weather. But overall, wholesale looks to be stronger. Our specialty with low grain prices keeps margin pressure from farmers to want to make those moves to specialty. And we’ve had more competition on those products, so our specialty margins haven’t recovered like we’ve seen in wholesale. Completely separate in our lawn and contract manufacturing. In contract manufacturing, we will produce lawn products for other retailers who put the products on the shelves, and sometimes we get peak orders. We’ve been doing very well in that business with additional orders. But a lot of those orders have fallen off. It’s really kind of seasonal when we get those additional contract manufacturing orders. So we had a really good run here the last couple of years and some of that volume has fallen off here of late. We have plans how to fill that up in other areas. So we really have three different stories in Plant Nutrient, a wholesale market that’s recovering, a specialty market that’s slow to recover and then contract manufacturing that’s a little bit up and down, depending on SKU and volume.

Heather Jones

Analyst

And my final question is on the grain business. So you mentioned similar to adjusted '17 and I’m showing adjusted '17 of roughly, I don’t know, call it 24 million when I include Lansing and all in there. Is that the comparison you’re referring to?

Pat Bowe

Analyst

Yes, I think that’s the correct number.

Heather Jones

Analyst

Okay. And so going into '19 – because bean prices have already appreciated nicely since the end of Q3, but going into '19, it sounds like you think there is further to go on bean price appreciation. And even though wheat prices have appreciated some, there’s still further to go on that front. Is that what’s driving your spot prices in '19?

Pat Bowe

Analyst

Yes, it’s a good question. I think we’re particularly trying to differentiate between flat price and broad appreciation as opposed to what we’re doing on basis. So basis levels of corn and soybeans have been particularly low, almost historically low where we accumulated harvest bushels this year. We still have a ways to go with harvest about 76% done nationally on corn and 83% done on beans. But there’s still quite a bit in Michigan and some of our tributary areas. So basis has been really weak. We see a rebound to happen pretty sharply in grain here in the coming months ahead. So we feel good about that basis ownership. Corey Jorgenson, our President of our Grain Group is on the call and maybe he can add some additional color for you.

Corbett Jorgenson

Analyst

Hi, Heather. I just want to add one comment to what Pat said which is to look at what carries are in the futures market for soybeans as you go forward. It’s not just basis appreciation that will drive the income opportunity. Those carries are wide today and corn, beans and wheat are all competing for space, which is what we’ve really experienced this harvest with basis levels seeking the places they got to. Does that make sense?

Heather Jones

Analyst

It does. And I guess can you help me to understand – and again, let’s just assume that China doesn’t get resolved, what besides that drives your confidence of basis appreciation other than just – what drives your confidence over the next three to six months that those basis levels will appreciate in beans, assuming there is no resolution on the trade front?

Corbett Jorgenson

Analyst

Again, I will answer that. But again, just differentiate between the carries in the futures market and what we, or anybody else, might expect to have happen with basis. So coming from historically very low levels where we’ve accumulated at harvest here, you have really good crush margins in the U.S. And you still have global demand and supply. While we’re building stocks some, you’re not changing global demand in total and you have the supply to supply it for sure today. But as you know and as the market has seen, we’ve shifted and distorted where different demand bases are coming to get their soybean supply. And so it’s created a lot of inefficiency, but it hasn’t changed demand in total at least not in a material way. So I’ll stop with that and see if you have a follow up.

Pat Bowe

Analyst

And just to clarify, Heather, as we’ve mentioned before, we like to – how you can make money in grain merchandise and it’s a couple of ways. One is storing grain and making carrying charges. We had a nice carry income from wheat in the last couple of years. Now, as Corey mentioned, there’s an earning potential on carry in both corn, wheat and beans. So we have that part of it. And then most importantly, just when you can acquire a basis at pretty discounted levels in a harvest like we have this year, that creates opportunity to merchandize those basis levels as we go forward. We feel really good about that ownership.

Heather Jones

Analyst

That’s very helpful. Thank you so much.

Pat Bowe

Analyst

You bet. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Ken Zaslow from Bank of Montreal. Your line is open.

Ken Zaslow

Analyst

Hi, guys. Good morning.

Pat Bowe

Analyst

Good morning, Ken.

Ken Zaslow

Analyst

Just a couple of questions. First of all, I didn’t really get how much mark-to-market did you get in the quarter? Just a simple question.

Pat Bowe

Analyst

That’s for mark-to-market versus last year the exact number is 11.3 million the difference between last year versus this year. Is that correct?

Ken Zaslow

Analyst

That’s what’s coming back over the next two quarters?

Pat Bowe

Analyst

Yes, for the third quarter. And last year versus this year, we expect to recover that through a basis appreciation here into the fourth quarter and into the first and second quarter – first half of next year. So we won’t get all of that in the first quarter – in the fourth quarter, Ken. We expect to see some of that leak into Jan, Feb, March, and April, May, June on premiums.

Ken Zaslow

Analyst

Okay. And just make sure I understand this basis, basically you’re capturing the commodity at an undervalued value? And if that basis kind of tightens up and you’ve got the carry in it, it’s like almost like pent up profit that’s coming. It’s almost like betting on the come line ahead of what’s going to happen. Is that the way to think about it?

Pat Bowe

Analyst

Exactly. You got it right on. So maybe if you’d have – historically, you would buy a 2,500 and you can buy it 3,500, that additional dime discount you get when buying in harvest is a good thing, a “investment for the future.” And then we hope to turnaround and load out trains for the Southeast. It could be going to the poultry market, it could be going to ethanol players, it could be going to the feed market or the export market. So we expect – the demand is still there and it looks like ownership this year, because of the big harvest, is playing kind of right into our hands and we like that position.

Ken Zaslow

Analyst

So would that imply that 2018 should be more in line with historical averages in terms of your margin? This is all things that are setting up for you to at least be able to reach at least the midpoint, if not better, right, for your profitability and your margin structure for agribusiness. Is that not the way to think about it?

Pat Bowe

Analyst

That’s the way to think about it. And taking in the context the mark-to-market impact we’ve had experienced this quarter and then getting back to more normal merchandizing margins.

Ken Zaslow

Analyst

Okay. And then what about the elevation margins, how does that play into it?

Pat Bowe

Analyst

That’s exactly what I’m talking about. So merchandising margin or elevation margin is all the same thing. Where you buy the grain and then we you turn around and sell it later, that’s our elevation margin or a “merchandising margin.”

Ken Zaslow

Analyst

And what is going to make that get stronger? Is it just the – because I get the basis point, but what’s going to expand the elevation margin? What are the key drivers?

Pat Bowe

Analyst

The biggest driver is just buying it right. Buying it right is half sold. We still see demand, looks to be very consistent on all fronts, on crush margin, on flour milling, on ethanol, on grain exports. So demand is still out there. Feeding all demand looks real steady. So as a domestic player into those markets, those look like they will be solid.

Ken Zaslow

Analyst

And my last question is on railcar. You said it’s going to be up in 2019. Is it up substantially? Is it up double digits, mid-single digits, low – just some sort of parameters to which you think about that?

Pat Bowe

Analyst

Just gradually, Ken. So the good news is our utilization rates are up and we did the scrapping the cars, so we’re positioned real well. Our rail shops are doing fine. But we still have the bubble of leases that were put on one, two and three years ago that we have to work through those ladders of leases to get those booked at higher levels. So that takes a little bit of time to get recovery. But we like the outlook of rail. It feels good. But it’s one of those businesses that doesn’t turn around and skyrocket. It’s a nice steady recovery.

Ken Zaslow

Analyst

Great. Thank you.

Pat Bowe

Analyst

Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions]. And our next question comes from Eric Larson from Buckingham Research. Your line is open.

Eric Larson

Analyst

Good morning, everyone. Thanks for taking my questions.

Pat Bowe

Analyst

Good morning, Eric.

Eric Larson

Analyst

It’s good to have Corey on as well this morning because my next question is kind of this. Just the extremely weak basis, I think it’s almost an historical low in beans. You probably have more bean exposure than you’ve had at probably any time that I can think of at The Andersons. Is that a fair assumption with what that market’s presented to you?

Pat Bowe

Analyst

No, not particularly. I think we’re pretty balanced. As you know, we have quite a bit of wheat stored at this point, and corn and bean harvest is pretty balanced. Obviously, we handle a lot more bushels of corn just by the nature of corn crop being so much bigger. Bean basis, though, is like you said, I don’t know exactly historic numbers, but it’s historically very discounted. So that’s where we see a lot of potential upside in the basis.

Corbett Jorgenson

Analyst

Eric, if I can I’ll just add a comment. This is Corey. I think maybe part of what you’re pointing out is that – Pat’s comments are exactly right. We’ve got fairly normal – we of course have more incentive to tuck beans away this year than we do in a normal year. So we did our best to do that, but not dramatically different than normal. What we do have is different risk and opportunity in front of us on beans than normal. That may have been part of what you’re pointing out and that is the truth, yes.

Pat Bowe

Analyst

Eric, I want to interject because it’s going back to Ken’s question, and Ken had the exact number for you, which relates to your question too, Eric. The total change this year on mark-to-market was $10 million to $11 million, about half of that in corn and soybeans and the other half of that in wheat. So that’s what the exact numbers are. I think I said $12 million, but it’s between $10 million and $11 million.

Eric Larson

Analyst

No, thanks for the clarification on that because we didn’t know what that number was and I actually thought your MTM may have been more like 7 million or something. And frankly, it was a lot bigger than I would’ve thought. So that means the quality of your quarter was better too. So thanks for that information. That really is helpful. And it’s interesting because you can go in the market right now and buy soybeans -- cash soybeans you can buy them all day long at least $1 below board. It’s just the opportunity has been enormous. So I can see why you captured some of that.

Pat Bowe

Analyst

And I think the point we wanted to make while – we had half of the corn and beans, the narrowing of the carry in wheat is also a pretty significant impact during this period. And so that’s why I wanted to make that point. It’s about half of that $10 million to $11 million.

Corbett Jorgenson

Analyst

That’s correct.

Eric Larson

Analyst

Good, that really helps. That’s very helpful. And then, Pat, I know this is really early and you know what the returns on the farmer level are, et cetera. And I think the USDA just came out and put out kind of their initial kind of look at planting intentions for next year. And as you know, it’s just way, way, way too early. But they put out something like 92 million acres of corn, 82.5 million for beans, but when you look at total acreage, that’s about 174 million versus 170 million – total acreage could be down 2% to 3% next year on those two crops, which makes sense because there’s no return at the farm level. Does that make sense? Obviously, you’ll see – I thought the corn number at 92 million was maybe a little bit too low. Are there any initial thoughts on this? And I know it’s November 6. It’s just way, way, way too early. But I saw that that total number of planted acres between the two crops looked pretty low, and again it doesn’t surprise me given the returns. But any thoughts on that?

Pat Bowe

Analyst

I think there might be some economic switch because the corn/bean ratio at about a 2.3 to 1 today and the low kind of outlook on soybean exports, et cetera. While crush margins are very good, there may be some incremental corn acres go in. Frankly, we’d love to see that because that would be good for fertilizer usage. I don’t think farmers let acreage go idle. It’s just a matter of what it’s going to go into. There might be some incremental wheat acres net that we’ve seen, but more it’s going to be a corn question going into next year.

Eric Larson

Analyst

Yes. No, I agree with that. Okay. Thanks, guys.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And this will conclude the question-and-answer session for today’s conference. I’d now like to turn the call back over to John Kraus for any closing remarks.

John Kraus

Analyst

Thanks, Crystal. We want to thank you all for joining us this morning. I also want to mention again that this presentation and slides with additional supporting information are available on the Investors page of our Web site at andersonsinc.com. Our next earnings conference call is scheduled for Thursday, February 14, 2019, at 11.00 a.m. Eastern Time when we will review our fourth quarter and full year 2018 results. We hope you can join us again at that time. Until then, be well.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for participating in today’s conference. This does conclude the program, and you may all disconnect. Everyone, have a wonderful day.