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Q3 2016 Earnings Call· Thu, Nov 17, 2016

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Operator

Operator

Good day, everyone. Welcome to the Abercrombie & Fitch Third Quarter Fiscal Year 2016 Earnings Call. Today's conference is being recorded. [Operator Instructions] Now at this time, I'd like to turn the conference over to Mr. Brian Logan. Mr. Logan, please go ahead.

Brian Logan

Analyst

Thank you. Good morning, and welcome to our third quarter earnings call. Earlier this morning, we released our third quarter sales and earnings, income statement, balance sheet, store opening and closing summary and an updated financial history. Please feel free to reference these materials, which are available on our website. Also available on our website is an investor presentation, which we will be referring to in our comments during this call. Today's earnings call is being recorded and the replay may be accessed through the Internet at abercrombie.com under the Investors section. Joining me today are Arthur Martinez, Executive Chairman; Fran Horowitz, President and Chief Merchandising Officer; and Joanne Crevoiserat, Chief Financial Officer. After our prepared remarks, we will be available to take your questions for as long as time permits. [Operator Instructions] Before we begin, I remind you that any forward-looking statements we may make today are subject to the safe harbor statement found in our SEC filings. In addition, we will be referring to certain adjusted non-GAAP financial measures during the call. Additional details and a reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP financial measures are included in the release issued earlier this morning. With that, I hand the call over to Arthur for some opening remarks.

Arthur Martinez

Analyst

Thank you, Brian, and good morning, everyone and thank you, as always, for being with us today. As we said we expected on our last earnings call, the third quarter was challenging. While our results for the quarter reflect sequential comp sales improvement in Hollister, this was more than offset by disappointing performance in A&F. That said, on a total company basis, our direct-to-consumer business continued to grow, both domestically and internationally. And conversion remained positive across both channels. We also continued our strong disciplines and tight rein on both expense and inventory. The Hollister brand continues to make progress as comp trend improvement throughout the quarter resulted in positive comp sales in the U.S. There continues to be positive response to Hollister's product innovations, emerging categories and overall customer experience. In the A&F brand, flagship and tourist locations continued to be a major headwind. In addition, traffic in chain stores remained negative. Gross margin was pressured as an A&F assortment weighted towards seasonal categories underperformed, resulting in greater-than-planned promotional activity. We are moving aggressively to evolve the A&F brand across all channels through comprehensive changes in product, customer experience and marketing. As you know, late in the quarter, we began to more clearly articulate a redefined identity for the A&F brand, backed by a significant advertising campaign. Under new leadership, the team is hard at work implementing the evolved brand identity across all of our customer touch points. We recognize that full implementation will take time, but remain convinced and energized about the potential of the repositioned A&F brand, and look forward to reporting to you on our progress. While we anticipate top line headwinds through the balance of the year, we do expect to deliver modest overall comp sales trend improvement in the fourth quarter as we intensify what is working in our assortments and store experience to improve performance. Now Fran will provide more color around brand performance and our strategic initiatives.

Fran Horowitz-Bonadies

Analyst

Thank you, Arthur, and good morning, everyone. We continue to make significant strategic and operational progress in both brands. While that progress is more evident today in Hollister's results, we are confident that as we acquire learnings for the A&F brand, it will become more apparent in its results over future quarters. I will recap the performance and strategic progress for each brand, and then provide an update on our cross-branded initiative. Starting with Hollister. Comp sales trends improved throughout the quarter across both genders and geographies. The team successfully addressed fashion issues in our girls' tops assortment, which resulted in a return to positive comps in the U.S. during the quarter. We also saw continued strength across a number of categories in the guys' assortment as the customer continues to respond positively to the product innovations and stretch we've added to the polos, shirting and jeans assortments. In addition, the emerging intimate and accessories categories performed well, offsetting overall weakness in heavier-weight fleece, sweater and outerwear categories, which we primarily attribute to unseasonably warm weather. We continue to focus on creating emotionally engaging brand experience across every touch point, putting the customer at the center of everything we do. Through extensive research and increased customer interaction, we know a lot more about our customers and what they want than we did when we began this journey and we are putting all we have learned to work. Based on the success of our previous Hollister store remodels, we completed 8 additional remodels during the quarter with an additional 12 scheduled to open by next week. This brings the total number of remodeled Hollister stores to 64 this year. Further, the Hollister Club Cali loyalty program, which was rolled out in the U.S. last quarter, has been met with a lot…

Joanne Crevoiserat

Analyst

Thanks, Fran, and good morning, everyone. As Fran covered, our results for the quarter were mixed by brand. We are making meaningful progress on our strategic initiatives to position the company for future growth. We remain focused on tightly managing the business in a difficult environment while continuing to support those initiatives. I'll be recapping the third quarter results and also provide our outlook for the fourth quarter. Starting with the third quarter. Net sales were $822 million, down 6% from last year. Foreign currency adversely impacted sales by approximately $8 million. Comp sales for the quarter were down 6% as improvement from last quarter in Hollister was more than offset by a decline in Abercrombie. Year-over-year trends and conversion remained positive, but continued to be more than offset by weak traffic. As shown on Page 5 in the investor presentation, by geography, comp sales for the quarter were down 5% in the U.S. and down 10% in International markets. By brand, comp sales for the quarter were down 14% for Abercrombie and flat for Hollister. Comp sales improvement from last quarter in the Hollister brand was driven by the U.S., which returned to positive comps in the quarter. This progress was offset by a sales decline in the Abercrombie brand in both geographies, but particularly international markets, where the flagship business is concentrated. As Fran mentioned, we continue to see a return on the investments we have made in mobile, omnichannel and fulfillment capabilities with our overall DTC business delivering another quarter of growth in both the U.S. and international markets. For the quarter, the direct-to-consumer business grew to 23% of total sales compared to 21% of total sales last year. I'll be recapping the rest of our results for the quarter compared to last year on an adjusted…

Arthur Martinez

Analyst

Thanks, Joanne. Before we take your questions, I'd like to say that we certainly are not satisfied with our current performance. However, we've already come a long way in our efforts to redefine our brands through evolved products, customer experience and marketing, all of which will help position us for enhanced performance and future success. Regardless of the near-term environment, which remains difficult at the moment, we believe that the results of these efforts will become more evident moving into 2017 and beyond. I'll now turn the call back to Brian.

Brian Logan

Analyst

Thanks, Arthur. That concludes our prepared comments. At this time, we will be happy to take your questions. [Operator Instructions] Thank you.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] We'll first go to Matthew Boss with JPMorgan.

Matthew Boss

Analyst

So just to dive into the store base a little bit more, you've obviously done a lot of work rationalizing the store base and closing stores pretty aggressively. I guess, larger picture, can you just give us an update on the overall health of the store fleet, how you're evaluating it, your flexibility if you wanted to close stores at a faster pace. And then just more particularly on Europe, just an update on the health of that store base. Any need or expectations to start closing some stores there as well?

Joanne Crevoiserat

Analyst

Thanks, Matt. This is Joanne. As you called out, we have been aggressive in terms of closing stores -- underperforming stores for some time. We've closed over 350 stores over the last 6 years and continue to retain a lot of flexibility in our lease terms to be able to make those decisions. As we look at those decisions, we make them on a case-by-case basis, evaluating the economics of each store. The closures that we have done -- most of the closures that we have done to-date have been at the natural lease expirations. The overall health of the stores and the profitability of the stores doesn't make it appropriate for us to take any action before the natural lease expiration. The economics wouldn't indicate that. As we evaluate our fleet, we continue to prioritize maintaining flexibility. In the fleet, we have a number of lease terminations and a lot of flexibility in both the U.S. market, but also in the European market and our international stores with lease kick-out opportunities. However, the international store base continues to be very profitable. We would not expect to close many stores in Europe. Our footprint in that market is much more modest in terms of overall share and footprint. And those stores continue to be very profitable.

Operator

Operator

Next we'll go to Marni Shapiro with Retail Tracker.

Marni Shapiro

Analyst

I just want to dive in a little bit to the Abercrombie trends. You talked about some of the weather and the outwear that you had in the stores and assuming that, that was where a lot of the pressure was on the merchandise. Can you just talk a little bit more -- did you see improved or at least holding sales in things polo shirts, denim and non-seasonal wovens?

Fran Horowitz-Bonadies

Analyst

Okay, Marni. It's Fran. So yes, the 2 major issues contributing to the Abercrombie challenge for the third quarter. First, the headwinds from traffic in our flag as well as our tourist stores remains a headwind. And the seasonal issue was earlier in the quarter. We believe that the teams have been able to take some of the opportunities that actually were working in our third quarter business in order to get us better prepared for the fourth quarter business. So for example, we had a strong sweater business in women's for the third quarter. And based on our supply chain, our ability to get back into some of those best-selling items, we were able to aggressively reorder them and get into position. We also launched a new fabric that we're incredibly excited about, a cozy fabric in women's in our loungewear. This is something that's a great gift giving item for holidays. We caved [ph] back into that as well and we still were well positioned for the fourth quarter. So our seasonal categories do get more important to us as we head into the fourth quarter. And as far as some of the specific categories that you asked about, we do feel that our shirting business is showing improved -- improvement. The khakis that we launched earlier in the year continued to be strong in the men's business.

Operator

Operator

Next we'll go to Tiffany Kanaga with Deutsche Bank.

Tiffany Kanaga

Analyst

Have you seen any improvement in tourism trends since the second quarter as you look on a monthly basis? Or to put it another way, I mean, are things getting less bad yet? And when do you think you might see improvement?

Joanne Crevoiserat

Analyst

Since the second quarter, Tiffany, we did see improvement in the Hollister brand as we move through the quarter. As the teams work to deliver changes to the assortment, we saw growing product acceptance by our customers in the Hollister brand. As it relates to the third quarter, as Fran just mentioned, that the headwinds that we saw in the third quarter in A&F were primarily in the tourist and flagship stores. And those traffic headwinds continued and persisted throughout the third quarter. And we also had -- it was compounded by an assortment that was heavier weighted and not seasonally appropriate. We didn't have enough wear-now product in a quarter that had some unseasonably warm temperatures.

Operator

Operator

And next we'll go to Adrienne Yih with Wolfe Research.

Adrienne Yih-Tennant

Analyst

My question, Joanne, can you talk about the inventory position being so conservative and so down double digits, obviously? How does that affect your ability to comp? I know that you're looking for modest improvement. But doesn't that sort of create this kind of cycle of not being able to comp and then keeping the inventory tight. So when would you start to be less negative on that inventory? And then Fran, can you talk about the A&F brand positioning? Maybe describe it to us in kind of the 3 key words that embody this new imagery and the direction just so we have some idea of sort of what the new target positioning should be.

Joanne Crevoiserat

Analyst

Thanks, Adrienne. On the inventory question, we continue to expect to have improvement in inventory productivity. We continue to believe we have opportunity there. The inventory position, the teams -- we've managed inventory very well. The teams have responded very quickly. As they see changes in the business environment, we moved quickly to work our way through early fall receipts that were not meeting sell-through expectations. And we've done that and we feel like we're in a good position. As we enter the fourth quarter, we have inventory positioned appropriately behind the right categories, a more seasonally appropriate product mix. Importantly, we also feel that we've positioned inventory well by channel with our growing digital channel as well as within the store channel and by geography. Maintaining lead inventories actually helps us improve the comps faster. We are not sitting on lumps of product that we need to work through. And it helps us actually be more agile. So the inventory position, we feel very good about. It helps with speed and our ability to get behind the things that are working. And we feel that it's positioned well, both in overall levels and content, as we move into the fourth quarter.

Fran Horowitz-Bonadies

Analyst

Adrienne, it's Fran. So in answer to your question, our new A&F positioning is really -- it's an evolved position from where we have been in the past. In the past, we have been much more exclusive and we're looking to be considerably more inclusive. We consider the brand to be an accessible American casual luxury brand for the 20-something consumer. Some of the key words I think about are inclusive, character, charisma, self-confidence, inner confidence. The consumer today, based on where we were in the past, has really moved from having a feeling of inner confidence as opposed to feeling that they have to put clothes on to have self-confidence. So through our new imagery, if you were to look at that compared to things that we've done in the past, through the styling and the way that we're putting the outfits together, we believe that we are achieving this opportunity. We are really excited that we were able to launch our new marketing towards the end of the quarter. We just recently, actually, flipped it from what we call the teaser phase to the reveal season. And we believe that, that marketing will continue to increase as we move forward. As we mentioned, we have hit our current expectations, about 800 million impressions.

Operator

Operator

Next we'll go to Neely Tamminga with Piper Jaffray.

Neely Tamminga

Analyst

Just had a little bit of a question here on the trends and more color, if you could. Is the -- is some of the progression that you've been seeing continued as you entered into November? We're just trying to get a sense of where the confidence for being modest improvement from Q3 is coming from -- that it's not going to be worse, but it could possibly be better.

Joanne Crevoiserat

Analyst

Neely, it's Joanne. Our historic practice is not to comment on the cadence within the quarter or the current quarter results. Our confidence in moving into Q4 begin with Hollister, where we did see nice improvement as we move through the third quarter. We are well positioned in Q4 categories, those categories that are most important in the Q4 business. We've seen an increase in customer acceptance of the assortment as we move through Q3. And we also have growing customer engagement as we've rolled out that Club Cali loyalty program, and we have now over 4 million active users -- or active members of our Club Cali program. Those are all elements that we expect to help continue further the trend into Q4. In A&F, there were some green shoots in the business during Q3 that the teams have worked quickly to get behind. Fran mentioned businesses like women's sweaters that performed well in Q3 are bigger businesses in Q4. As I mentioned earlier, we have a more seasonally appropriate assortments as we head into the fourth quarter. And the marketing investments that we're making throughout the quarter, we expect to continue to gain traction. And I also want to add that we've delivered consistently strong growth in our DTC business. We have invested and increased fulfillment capability and introduced new omnichannel capabilities to support that channel. And we do have inventory well positioned by channel to capture the business wherever the customer chooses to shop in the fourth quarter.

Operator

Operator

And now we'll go to Stephen Albert with Bank of America Merrill Lynch.

Stephen Albert

Analyst

So MG&A was well controlled during the quarter despite some ramped up ad spending. Could you maybe go through some of the specific levers that you were able to pull back on? And how should we think about that line going forward? And then I guess overall, how do you view the opportunity to pull back on fixed costs going forward? I realize, over the past few years, some of the low-hanging fruit may be gone, but how should we think about the cost control?

Joanne Crevoiserat

Analyst

Yes, the offsets in MG&A were varied. Certainly, we were looking to and it's our priority to offset the investments we're making in -- both in marketing as well as in the DTC world, offsetting those with our expense reduction efforts. We have been successful over time in pulling back on cost. One of the biggest levers we can pull going forward is in the productivity of our store fleet. We've been aggressive at closing unproductive stores and announced this quarter more actions that we're taking to drive productivity in our brick-and-mortar fleet, including addressing underperforming flagship stores as well as renegotiating lease terms as we -- as evident in the Tokyo A&F flagship stores. So we continue to focus on pulling back on costs. I think there are continued opportunities across the business and a strong focus on optimizing our store fleet and driving more productivity through brick-and-mortar stores.

Operator

Operator

Next we'll go to Kimberly Greenberger with Morgan Stanley.

Kimberly Greenberger

Analyst

Joanne, I'm wondering if you can talk about what measures you're taking to preserve cash given the deteriorating free cash flow picture and the balance sheet that carries fairly highly suggested leverage. Are you able to further cut back on CapEx? Can you shut down your new store pipeline? Are there additional opportunities maybe to cut SG&A? Or any thoughts around trimming the dividend? What are the things that you're looking at to fortify your free cash flow?

Joanne Crevoiserat

Analyst

Thanks, Kimberly. We have a strong balance sheet and have consistently generated positive free cash flow and expect that to continue. Our outlook and our expectation, as it relates in CapEx, is to continue to invest in the business in those areas where we see the greatest risk-adjusted return. Our expected spending this year is, I mentioned earlier, is about $140 million in capital spend and those are focused on the projects that deliver returns, including our new stores and our remodels that we've talked about, important to improving the brand experience in driving growth and productivity in our store fleet. In terms of our capital allocation philosophy, we continue to invest in the business and return cash to shareholders through the dividend. We expect to generate cash to be able to maintain the dividend. And we are -- we continue to focus on returning cash through share repurchases based on valuation and liquidity. But our current status on our cash generation is positive and we expect it to remain so.

Operator

Operator

And now we'll go to Brian Tunick with RBC.

Brian Tunick

Analyst

Was curious, Joanne, maybe first, if you can just reconcile your comments for gross margin, AUR pressure for the fourth quarter. I mean, your inventories, I think, are down 14%. You're up against last year's obviously tough sweater and outerwear environment. So I guess, we were first just curious there. What's causing your comments there? Is it domestic? Or is it international AUR pressure you're anticipating? And then maybe broader picture on international. What do you think is driving that traffic deceleration as we move through the last quarter or 2? And any color by country or geography would be helpful to us.

Joanne Crevoiserat

Analyst

Brian, in terms of gross margin, the AUR pressure, we expect FX to be a headwind. That's the majority of the AUR pressure that we expect in the fourth quarter, slightly worse than we expected at the beginning of the -- as we came into the quarter -- into the third quarter really with the weakening of the pound contributing to that. And I also think we have a realistic expectation for AUR as we move through what will likely be a very competitive fourth quarter. In terms of the traffic deceleration, we continue to see headwinds in the tourist traffic and that is predominantly in international markets, but also in the U.S. We saw a continuation in the U.S. and a slight worsening on the tourist traffic in international markets. Additionally, during the third quarter, some of the traffic impact was likely due to weather, the performance of our seasonal product and our seasonal categories would indicate that we didn't have enough wear now in our assortment and that likely impacted the traffic numbers also.

Operator

Operator

And next we'll go to Oliver Chen with Cowen.

Oliver Chen

Analyst

On the Abercrombie & Fitch brand, you mentioned that the progress would take a little bit longer. Could you contextualize the dimensions that are driving that? And will the speed initiatives be in a position to help you positive comp there by what timing? And just a quick modeling question. As we look at our models, when are -- do the tourism traffic compares start to ease? Is that a positive catalyst?

Fran Horowitz-Bonadies

Analyst

Oliver, it's Fran. Regarding the A&F brand progress, really, the issue in Q3 was predominantly driven by the traffic headwinds that we experienced, both in our tourist as well as our flagship locations. The assortment issues, we do feel we have addressed. We took markdowns on them and moved through them and have set a compelling assortment for the fourth quarter. The teams were able to respond to the opportunities that they saw within the third quarter. And as we move into the fourth quarter, our seasonal categories do become much more important to the total. Regarding the tourism traffic demands, I think I will turn that one over to Joanne.

Joanne Crevoiserat

Analyst

Yes, just to jump in on the tourism traffic headwinds. The -- we have been in this cycle for a while. The -- we don't expect the tourism issues and the traffic trends to abate. As we move through the fourth quarter, we expect the traffic to remain challenging in those locations. The disruption we've seen in tourism is likely caused by safety and security concerns as well as currency devaluation. And again, we expect that to continue as we move through the fourth quarter.

Fran Horowitz-Bonadies

Analyst

Hey, Oliver, I'm sorry. I've skipped over the second question. It's Fran again. Regarding the speed in our business, we are reacting to our business on a weekly basis. We believe, for example, in the Abercrombie brand, where I mentioned earlier that we had this terrific fabric that we shipped in third quarter, this new cozy fabric is a large part of our holiday gift giving opportunity in our loungewear. The teams were able to respond to what was happening and chase into it. In addition, coming out of the second quarter in Hollister, where we feel we had a miss in some of the fashion in our second quarter opportunity going to third quarter, we were also able to adjust that based on our supply chain and our speed to some of those initiatives. So as we continue to see those opportunities, the teams will continue to react quickly.

Operator

Operator

Next we'll go to Betty Chen with Mizuho Securities.

Betty Chen

Analyst

Joanne, I think you mentioned earlier that clearly, you guys have been very good about closing stores through natural lease expirations and then we'll take a look at that going forward. Can you remind us the number of stores or leases up for renewal in the next year or 2? And how that may differ between the chain stores as well as the flagships and perhaps the number of flagships that you're evaluating where you may take advantage of either rent reductions or perhaps terminations? And then my follow-up question is, I'm not sure if you've already addressed this, but in terms of the inventory position being down 14%, is that -- is there any difference between Hollister versus Abercrombie & Fitch inventory positions?

Joanne Crevoiserat

Analyst

Betty, the -- I'll pick up store closings. We continue to have significant flexibility in our store fleet. We have about 50% of our U.S. leases up for renewal over the next 18 months. In Europe and in international markets, the lease structures are a little bit different, but we have kick-out clauses in those leases that also provide a tremendous amount of flexibility. As it relates to the flagship stores, those leases are different, and each individual store has its own set of facts and circumstances. I will remind you though that, in aggregate, our flagship stores are still profitable. And we would take action on underperforming stores as we see the need as evidenced by the announcements we made today. Those include renegotiating rents where possible as we had -- as we've done in the Ginza store in Tokyo and also announcing the kick-outs of the flagships in Korea and in Hong Kong. But in aggregate, our flagship store businesses is profitable. And they remain an important part of our store fleet and an important gateway to the brand. And regarding your question on inventory, the answer is yes. The inventory is down comparably in A&F and Hollister. Both brands going into the fourth quarter do benefit from our seasonal categories becoming more important. And we feel that the inventory is well positioned. It's well positioned, both from a category perspective as well as a channel perspective. We did have a strong continued DTC business in the third quarter, and we feel we are prepared heading into the fourth quarter.

Operator

Operator

Next we'll go to Paul Lejuez with Citi.

Paul Lejuez

Analyst

Can you talk about of the wholesale business? Maybe run through where you stand today on each of those relationships, how big are those businesses and what's the outlook for them to grow from here? Maybe also talk about any opportunities to form new wholesale partnerships.

Joanne Crevoiserat

Analyst

Paul, it's Joanne. Yes, we have -- I think last year, we talked about our wholesale business being about $10 million. And we have continued to grow our wholesale partnerships and relationships, both the ones that we have had with ASOS and NEXT from last year, continue to grow this year. And we've added Zalando this year, recently launched on Zalando and has been very pleased with the response from customers in those markets. And the way we think about our wholesale business is an opportunity to reach new customers and expand our brand reach. And we've been able to do that through these partnerships. In fact, our DTC and digital business in the regions where we have wholesale relationships has actually improved, which indicates that we are reaching new customers through these relationships. We expect the wholesale business to continue to grow into next year. And we will announce any new partnerships as they are available, but we do expect the wholesale business to continue to grow.

Paul Lejuez

Analyst

So the $10 million you talked about last year, what does that look like this year, in total?

Joanne Crevoiserat

Analyst

We haven't disclosed the details of that, but we have seen growth, both with the partners that we had last year plus the growth with the new partner, Zalando.

Operator

Operator

Next we'll go to Janet Kloppenburg with JJK Research.

Janet Kloppenburg

Analyst

Fran, I was interested in the conversation about the assortments improving at the A&F brand. I'm just wondering have you had enough time to adjust those assortments given the learnings that you've had in the summer and the fall, and if you feel confident that we should see, in the non-tourist stores, an improved comp progression. Or if that -- if we'll really need to wait until the spring season for that to evolve? Maybe just a little bit of discussion around the timing there. And I know it's hard given the environment. So nothing's lost [ph] in stone. And Joanne, I was just wondering on that lease expiration that you talked about for the fourth quarter, are we to flow that through as an -- as ordinary? Or will that come through as an extraordinary item?

Fran Horowitz-Bonadies

Analyst

Janet, it's Fran. The improvements in A&F are clearly an evolution. We are working very diligently with the teams every week, reviewing our selling and seizing the opportunities that we can. We believe that the green shoots that we saw in the third quarter on some of our key categories, such as sweaters, the cozy fabric I mentioned earlier, some of the men's businesses, we do feel that we have positioned ourselves appropriately for the fourth quarter in addition to the seasonally appropriate categories becoming of greater importance to us. So it's an evolution and we do see that heading into the fourth quarter.

Joanne Crevoiserat

Analyst

Janet, on the lease termination charge, we expect to have that as part of our GAAP earnings and we would not expect to exclude that charge.

Janet Kloppenburg

Analyst

So it won't come through us as a non-GAAP adjustment.

Joanne Crevoiserat

Analyst

That's how -- that is where we think it will land today subject to more discussion with accountants.

Operator

Operator

And now we'll go to Susan Anderson with FBR.

Susan Anderson

Analyst

I was wondering if you could give a little bit more color on the performance of the formats internationally versus the U.S., so Hollister internationally and in the U.S. Are you seeing better performance there, both abroad and domestically? And then also maybe if you could talk about what you're seeing in terms of sales retention rate from the stores that you're closing?

Joanne Crevoiserat

Analyst

Yes, Susan, in terms of the formats internationally versus U.S., I assume you're referring to the remodeled stores. We are seeing consistent improvement and lift in sales and traffic from our remodeled stores in Hollister, internationally versus the U.S. So the Hollister performance in the U.S., as we mentioned, during the third quarter, shifted to a positive comp, return to positive comps, which was nice to see. We did see traction as we moved through the quarter. The retention rate for stores that we're closing has been fairly limited. We do see some retained sales in terms of transfer to the online business. And it really depends on how close we have a neighboring store. But the overall sales retention for closed stores is fairly low, less than 20% in total.

Susan Anderson

Analyst

Okay, that's helpful. And so for Hollister, both in the U.S. and internationally, you saw it move to flattish positive comp, I guess.

Joanne Crevoiserat

Analyst

The international business was not as strong as the U.S. business. The unseasonably warm weather -- our seasonal categories did not perform as well in international markets, which indicates to us that weather was more of a factor in international markets than in the U.S.

Susan Anderson

Analyst

Got it. And then A&F had similar -- more underperformance internationally also?

Joanne Crevoiserat

Analyst

Yes, the A&F business is positioned differently in international markets. The Hollister business is more of a mall-based business internationally and has a more local customer. The A&F business in our international markets is predominantly flagship and tourist locations. And those headwinds continued as well as -- and were compounded by some of the assortment opportunities that we noted. But as we said, we are taking actions. The teams are working very quickly to get behind the product and assortments that are working. We are taking steps in our flagship stores to improve their performance through store experience as well as product changes. And we're addressing underperforming stores as well.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Dana Telsey with Telsey Advisory Group.

Dana Telsey

Analyst · Telsey Advisory Group.

As you think about the Abercrombie concept on the demographic of it, attracting the 20-plus customer versus a teen, what are you seeing in the customer demographic? And how is it changing given the brand evolution that's going on? And then just on the comp, as you look at the levers of comp, what's happening with -- particularly on the merchandise margin side, what are you seeing there? And how does it differ by brand in terms of the levers?

Fran Horowitz-Bonadies

Analyst · Telsey Advisory Group.

Dana, it's Fran. So the Abercrombie brand has a tremendous amount of equity. We learned that as we went through all of our quantitative and qualitative research as we formed our position. Our position is, truthfully, it's an evolution from where we were. And the 20-something consumer today does constitute the majority of our customers. So we believe that this brand positioning is correct. And we are excited that we were just really able to start communicating that to our consumer at the back half of the third quarter and believe that, that will gain traction as we head into the fourth quarter.

Joanne Crevoiserat

Analyst · Telsey Advisory Group.

And in terms of the merchandise margin differing by brand, the challenges in the third quarter receipts, with the underperformance of our seasonal product in Abercrombie, weighed more heavily on that brand. And the AUR impact of the actions we took to clear through those inventories impacted the A&F brand more. The levers and margin continue to be AUC. We continue to focus on AUC as an opportunity and expect AUC in the fourth quarter to be lower year-over-year. That's being offset by some AUR pressure, which is mainly FX related, but also a recognition of what we expect to be a very competitive environment in Q4.

Operator

Operator

And now we'll go to Richard Jaffe with Stifel.

Richard Jaffe

Analyst

And just a follow-on question. The additional ad spend, could you quantify that -- the expense we should look for in the next season or a sense of the change fourth quarter this year versus last year?

Joanne Crevoiserat

Analyst

Yes, Richard, we didn't provide those details, but what we have said is we expect to offset the increase in marketing in the fourth quarter with other expense reduction efforts and expense savings opportunities. So we are funding those increases, both in the marketing spend and in the DTC business with other expense savings opportunities that we've found.

Richard Jaffe

Analyst

And then just a broad question. There's been a lot of conversation in the past quarters about logo and the elimination of logo and then the more discreet logo. And I'm just wondering, in reference particularly to the Abercrombie & Fitch brand, where you guys stand on that topic today.

Fran Horowitz-Bonadies

Analyst

Logo is and has been an important part of our brand. It varies between geography. But logo is something that we will carry in the brand, both domestically and internationally, potentially at different levels on the customers' preference. But it is something that will be a part of the brand as we move forward.

Operator

Operator

And now we'll go to Mark Altschwager with Robert W. Baird.

Mark Altschwager

Analyst

I just wanted to follow up on 2 items. Just first, back to the free cash flow discussion, it looks like CapEx guidance is a bit lower than previous forecasts and that's following last quarter where you pushed that to the low end of the range. So I'm just trying to get a sense if there is any timing at play there that's being pushed into 2017. Or if not, what particular projects have you pulled back on there? And then separately on wholesale, I was just hoping you could touch on how you're thinking about that regarding the U.S. market and, especially as you closed stores here in the U.S., could a larger wholesale presence makes sense in order to maintain your brand reach?

Joanne Crevoiserat

Analyst

Mark, related to CapEx guidance, you're right. We -- the expectation for the year is lower than the low end of our range, mainly because a couple of projects shifted, some of it's timing and some of it is savings that we've had as we've implemented projects where they didn't cost as much. Most of it, though, is related to timing, both of when projects complete as well as when we actually are invoiced and pay since it's a cash flow measure. So as we move to the end of the year, we have a better line of sight as to how that's all coming in. I would say that we have accomplished most of the important strategic initiatives that we wanted to have done this year, including having 64 Hollister stores remodeled. We talked about a number of stores that we're opening -- that will be opening here in the fourth quarter. And also our DTC and omnichannel initiatives that we've been able to roll out, and have us positioned well for the fourth quarter and as we move into 2017. So there are no projects of strategic importance that haven't been addressed in our plans. And there's been a few timing shifts and expectations for payments coming in a little bit differently as we move to the end of the year.

Operator

Operator

And unfortunately, that's all the time we have for questions today's. So that does conclude today's conference call. We thank everyone for their participation.