Sreeni Prabhu
Analyst · Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.
Yes, good question. So I would say as rates went up in 2022, a few things happened. I'll talk about the supply and the demand. So as the rates went up in 2022, you would think that the overall non-QM mortgage market will shrink as the agency mortgage market shrunk. But that's not what's happened. The non-QM mortgage market has actually grown. We'll probably finish this year at $100-plus billion. And last year, I think we were around $80 billion, plus or minus, depending on who you talk to. So the supply side, what's happened is as the agency volumes have shrunk, a lot of guys who would generally do six, seven agency loans that are now doing one or two agency loans and so they are more proactive in non-QM. And so the supply of that has grown. On the buy side, you have tremendous demand from insurance companies. So the market has definitely become decently more commoditized. And these are the markets where don't expect Angel Oak from the origination or from the REIT side to try to capture market share. We've just gone up in quality and stood there. But it's our relationship with the brokers that we've been doing business. I mean, if you think about all the people that have come in and out of the market over the last 8-plus years, I think it's probably us and maybe one more entity that might have been there. So the entire thick and thin of this. So our relationship with the brokers allow us to get what we want to get relative to the competitive landscape that it is. So if we try to grow it beyond what the market gives us, we’ll have to squeeze spreads and increase – or widen out our credit box, which we don’t intend to do. So we are happy where we are, but the market is definitely competitive. Now when does that change? That changes as rates come down because, interestingly enough, when the rates come down, from the demand side, insurance company demand may slow down. Don’t know, there’s a lot of appetite. So let’s see how much it comes down. But on the supply side, I think the model then reverts back to the agency guys doing more agency loans, there’s a lot of 7%, 7.5%, 8% coupons sitting out in the agency market that will have to be refinanced. And so those guys will refocus back on the agency business, lose focus on the non-QM business. And that’s when our business model then becomes even more active. So today, we are happy. Our market is getting more commoditized. No doubt about it, everybody knows it. But this is when you stay true to credit. But from a relationship perspective, our core relationships, what we have developed in the mortgage company over the last almost 10 years now is playing out the way we wanted it to play out.
Q – Don Fandetti: Great. Thank you.