Operator
Operator
Welcome to the Apache Corporation third quarter earnings 2008 conference call. This call is being recorded. Today’s presentation will be hosted by Mr. Bob Dye, Vice President of Investor Relations.
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Q3 2008 Earnings Call· Thu, Oct 30, 2008
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Operator
Operator
Welcome to the Apache Corporation third quarter earnings 2008 conference call. This call is being recorded. Today’s presentation will be hosted by Mr. Bob Dye, Vice President of Investor Relations.
Bob Dye
President
Thanks for joining us today. This morning Apache Corporation released third quarter 2008 results which totaled net income of $1.2 billion or $3.52 per diluted share and cash flow of $2.1 billion. Today’s discussion may contain forward-looking estimates and assumptions and no assurance can be given that those expectations will be realized. A full disclaimer is located on our website. In addition any non-GAAP numbers that we discussed such as adjusted earnings, cash flow from operations or costs incurred will be identified as such with the reconciliation located on our website at www.apachecorp.com. I’ll note that we routinely put important information on our website. As an example last week we had an analyst meeting in Houston and we currently have slides from that meeting on our website for your review. On today’s call Steve Farris, our CEO, and Roger Plank, our CFO, will make prepared remarks prior to taking questions. With that I’ll turn the call over to Steve.
G. Steven Farris
Management
Thank you for joining us for our third quarter earnings conference call. During the quarter Apache’s international portfolio once again demonstrated its strength and momentum through drilling success and our sustained progress in delivering our pipeline development projects, and strong earnings of $3.52. I’d like to echo Bob’s comments and thank all of those who attended our yearly analyst conference last week in Houston. We really did appreciate the opportunity to walk through some of the details of our portfolio and the growth plays that we have that we’re presenting around the world. I’d encourage those who did not listen to view our website and listen to our webcast. Today in my remarks I’d like to review just quickly our position and our outlook, and then give you some activity highlights from our regions. First of all, Apache’s in a very strong and honestly differentiated position in the current volatile environment. Our portfolio is balanced which benefits our shareholders across multiple business environments. That means we’re balanced across products, pricing benchmarks, international basins and play types. We also hold strong positions in all the places we operate. We’re the number one producer in Egypt’s Western Desert. We’re the number two producer in Western Australia. We’re the number one producer in the US Gulf of Mexico shelf. We’re the number three producer in Oklahoma. Along with our partner in Canada we’re the number one producer in the Ootla shale play in Canada. Our strategic platforms in building value in mature basins, our international exploration and global graphs are aligned with long-term realities for this energy industry. We’re financially stronger than we’ve ever been. We have seven development projects underway that alone are expected to add about 120,000 barrels of oil equivalent to our production over the next four years. We have…
Roger B. Plank
Management
As the credit crunch gave way to global downturn, Apache turned in solid third quarter results and earnings nearly doubling the year earlier period. Cash flow increased by $0.5 billion or nearly 1/3. 43% higher oil prices and 49% higher gas prices in the quarter enabled oil and gas revenues to climb $870 million from third quarter ’07 to $3.4 billion. This overcame a 9% reduction in volumes and enabled earnings to outpace all but the prior quarter. As we’ve indicated in press releases and on our website, the Australian pipeline incident and Hurricanes Gustav, Ike, et al put a dent in our third quarter production. As discussed at last week’s conference these incidents constrained third quarter production to 511,000 barrels of oil equivalent a day. I’d reiterate that this production is not lost forever but rather deferred. As Steve indicated, we anticipate volumes should be restored between now and year end. Foreign exchange again impacted the quarter’s results, this time on the plus side given the rebounding US dollar. Normalizing the impact of foreign currency fluctuations on a deferred tax results in adjusted earnings of $3.19 per share versus $2.17 in the third quarter of ’07. Now if we compare third quarter to the second quarter of 2008, a $9 per barrel and $0.66 per mcf decline in oil and gas realizations coupled with a 7% decline in production reduced oil and gas revenues by $535 million and earnings by $254 million or 18% sequentially. Cash flow likewise declined $196 million or 8% sequentially. Cash margins declined 13% with lower prices making an impact but remain quite strong at nearly $52 per barrel of oil equivalent. Including DD&A our total pre-tax margin decreased a little over $8 to a still respectable $38.60 per barrel of oil equivalent. Now turning…
Bob Dye
President
With that we’d be happy to open it up for questions.
Operator
Operator
(Operator Instructions) Our first question comes from Tom Gardner - Simmons & Co. Tom Gardner - Simmons & Co.: Steve, I appreciate your analyst conference last week and I appreciate you sharing your views on the M&A markets where you basically said that you thought things might get worse before they get better. Is there anything you’ve seen in the last week that might alter that view at all?
G. Steven Farris
Management
I think it starts with the global economy and I’m certainly not an economist by any stretch of the imagination but I don’t see anything out there that leads you to believe that things are going to get better before they get worse. To me the real proof in the pudding is going to be what consumer spending’s going to be between Thanksgiving and Christmas, and I question whether or not we’re going to have any kind of robust consumer spending during that timeframe. But in terms of overall oil and gas, the only silver lining and it depends on where you’re coming from, frankly although it hurts our earnings and our cash flow things getting worse are not a bad thing for a while. Costs come down, rigs are laid down, people start paying real numbers for acreage rather than paying way too much for acreage. So in our business that’s not a big thing to put those costs on the books at a lower cost. Having said that, we have created a just-in-time inventory certainly in gas in this country if you just look at the type of things that are being drilled. But my question is, how long can you not drill before you start having a problem again?
Roger B. Plank
Management
I’d mention too is when you live it you see it a little bit differently but in a capital intensive business like ours, it takes a while to put the brakes on capital programs because you make commitments in advance. So when cash flows drop rapidly with prices you really don’t see the damage for a quarter or two. So, unless you see some kind of snap back in prices which is highly unlikely at this point in time the chances are that it is the same as Steve indicated last week, it’s going to get worse before it gets better. A lot of those things don’t play through to company’s balance sheets for a quarter or two. Tom Gardner - Simmons & Co.: Just jumping over to Egypt, you’ve had continued exploration success there, can you discuss your thoughts on the possibility of getting some extensions on those concessions lives, particularly in the Khalda area? If you were to enter negotiations would that diminish your current metrics?
G. Steven Farris
Management
For those of you who may not be familiar, concession agreements have a term that is an exploration term and then you have a development lease and a big portion of Khalda is in a development lease which then has a term of 20 to 25 years. Our greater Khalda area doesn’t expire until 2023 and 2024. We renegotiated that back in 2005 and extended those concessions from 2010 and 2011 to 2023 and 2024. All of our other concessions in Egypt that are development leases have at least 20 years to run. So, from that standpoint we’re in pretty good shape. On the exploration side we have some exploration acreage that will start turning over in 2010 that we’re intent on over the next 18 months to work with the government to extend. Tom Gardner - Simmons & Co.: Just one last thought on the concession agreements, when they expire how is the equipment handled? Do they purchase it from you or is it just turned over to the government? What’s the compensation?
G. Steven Farris
Management
Well, the way the concession agreement works is we basically have been repaid for all of the equipment that are associated with it through a cost recovery. So, it is basically after the cost recovery period legally the Egyptian government.
Operator
Operator
Our question comes from David Tameron – Wachovia Securities. David Tameron – Wachovia Securities: A couple of questions, Roger you referred to it briefly but the LOE, can you go through that again? You said you have $70 million deductable in the Gulf and you think that will be met by year end, is that what you said?
Roger B. Plank
Management
Yes. We have to chew through our deductable before the insurance proceeds kick in so we’ll have a higher LOE per BOE cost than what would otherwise be the case until we get through that and that should happen right around year end, maybe it will trickle in to the first quarter in part but most of it will be behind us at year end. After that we’ve got sufficient insurance that any incremental costs would be covered by that so you wouldn’t see it in our numbers. David Tameron – Wachovia Securities: What does that hit for the quarter? Does that hit in LOE?
Roger B. Plank
Management
Well, I’m specifically addressing LOE. David Tameron – Wachovia Securities: And that’s where the insurance deductible, that $70 million hit during the quarter.
Roger B. Plank
Management
LOE, yes. What tends to happen is your LOE costs are the ones that you – you also have capital costs but those typically are later on so they get covered more by the insurance if you know what I’m saying. So yes, you’ll see it in the LOE. David Tameron – Wachovia Securities: Then a question for Steve, you talked about the Eagleford and at the conference that was more focused on the oil side, can you talk about the potential on the gas side in that same property?
G. Steven Farris
Management
In fact we’re drilling two wells that we think will be in the gas window as we speak. Certainly, if you move down to the gassier part of the Austin Chalk which many of you might have read, Petrohawks, now we’re quite a ways to the northeast of the Petrohawk acreage but there’s a high in between the two but both of them are over old Austin Chalk fields and they drilled in to gas window of the Austin Chalk and we’re drilling these two wells in the gas window of the Austin Chalk and we anticipate them being gassier. Actually, we anticipate them being gas. Certainly gas can move through the shales a little bit easier than the oil. Although, I’ll be real honest with you, I’ve got to be careful, I really wasn’t expecting that kind of rate out of the Eagleford in the oil sites. 525 barrels a day if it will roll over will be very, very economic. David Tameron – Wachovia Securities: When do you anticipate giving us an additional update on that?
G. Steven Farris
Management
Well, we’ve got another well that we’re getting ready to frac. We’ve got four wells down with horizontals in them that we’re fracing. We just fraced a second well and we should have some results in the next month. It will take a month to understand the decline curve associates with this first well that we’re talking about. David Tameron – Wachovia Securities: Then one last question, and I think it was Roger that mentioned it, you talked about fourth quarter volumes and you said that there’s a number of factors. Any other big factors besides the GOM and Australia, the timing of those two that we could look at in fourth quarter as far as the swing on the volume side?
Roger B. Plank
Management
Those are the biggest although we also have late in the fourth quarter, 100 million a day net and 5,000 barrels a day net in Egypt that will begin to come on line so the timing of that could also impact. David Tameron – Wachovia Securities: And you scheduled that for late 4Q?
Roger B. Plank
Management
Right.
Operator
Operator
Our next question comes from Brian Singer – Goldman Sachs. Brian Singer – Goldman Sachs: One quick question, any update on the Australia gas contract, my apologies if you mentioned it earlier.
G. Steven Farris
Management
No, other than that we’re continuing to noodle very small points Brian. Brian Singer – Goldman Sachs: In Egypt, I guess any signs, maybe it’s a little early but can you talk about anything you may be seeing in terms of gas demand and any implications from a potential decrease in economic growth there and what that means for your ability to extract additional price increases there?
G. Steven Farris
Management
I think we showed a chart at our analyst conference on terms of the growth rate in Egypt, what it’s been domestically. It’s significant, if you look at that chart, look on our website, the last three or four years it’s been about a 22% and they have targeted natural gas to back out oil so I don’t see that diminishing. The one thing I will say is that not unlike any other country of the world, Egypt watches what happens to natural gas in this country. At current prices the ability to set down and talk about meaningful price increases when you got a NYMEX where it is priced today is going to be more difficult when it was at $9. Having said that I think over time for two reasons, one is they have to have investment for natural gas and they have to have infrastructure which we have been doing both. And, the need that they have I think over time that will happen. I just think what is happening in this country has an impact on what is happening in Egypt.
Roger B. Plank
Management
The one thing I would say, you may have noticed in our numbers in the blast packs that our average price in Egypt was $5.62 for the quarter. So, we tend to talk about most of our gas which is capped at $2.65 but we also have an old, I think we’re the only company with an old sort of legacy contract that is tied to crude oil that has dragged that price up. So, Steve’s point about prices coming down, all of a sudden that $5 gas looks more attractive.
G. Steven Farris
Management
The thing is we’ve got to be careful, we’re going to start diluting that as we come on with our [Crawford] gas because that’s 100 million a day contract and if we go up to $7.50 on gas all of a sudden you’ve got $6.50 at $2.65 against that prices versus what you’ve got today which is about $3.50 versus that price, $4.50 versus that price so you’re going to start diluting that contract. That contract is until 2013, that existing contract that we have.
Operator
Operator
Our next question comes from Leo Mariani – RBC Capital Markets. Leo Mariani – RBC Capital Markets: A quick question on your Egyptian gas lines this quarter, it looks like you guys posted a pretty healthy increase. It is my understanding that you didn’t have your [inaudible] plant coming on for a while, just curious as to why you had the nice pop in the Egyptian gas here in 3Q.
G. Steven Farris
Management
Well, specifically what has happened is that we’re starting to put more gas – part of our gas takeaway is going through the Obaiyed plant which is a Shell plant and that Shell plant we have the ability to produce 150 million a day until they get some work done and then we can go to 210. What’s happened is Shell’s production is falling off so we’re getting a bigger share of that plant than what we anticipated. We have had hot days of over 200 million a day going through the Obaiyed plant. Leo Mariani – RBC Capital Markets: Jumping over in to Canada real quick, your gas volumes have been declining pretty steadily over there. Do you guys have any sense of when you think that will kind of turn around and flatten out and maybe start growing kind of what point in time you think that can happen?
G. Steven Farris
Management
I’m pretty encouraged given the amount of capital we put in Canada, our ability to keep that relatively flat frankly. The other thing you’ve got to keep in mind is that in the second quarter we sold about 15 million a day net of Canadian gas so you’ve got to be careful when you compare quarter-to-quarters. What’s happen with Alberta with respect to the royalty our big growth in Canada is going to be from our Utla play over time. In fact, if you wanted to be very optimistic over the next four or five years the Utla play net to Apache could be the same as what we are producing today. We’re producing about 25 million a day right now. Our plans for the winter right now with our partner is to drill a multiple of the wells that we’ve drilled in the past and we’ll have the capacity to take that gas out of there also so that ought to help our production going in to next year. Leo Mariani – RBC Capital Markets: Then you’ll start to see some impact once we get in to spring of next year from increased Utla?
G. Steven Farris
Management
Probably spring and fall because what we’ll do is drill those wells in winter and actually frac them and hook them up later in the spring/summer time frame. Leo Mariani – RBC Capital Markets: And what’s your capacity up there out of Utla in terms of your net share?
G. Steven Farris
Management
Well, our capacity right now is about 25 million a day which we will be working on this winter and increase that significantly.
Operator
Operator
Our next question comes from David Heikkinen- Tudor Pickering Holt.
David Heikkinen- Tudor Pickering Holt
Analyst
Just a question about Argentina and any thoughts around the pension plan nationalization and kind of the moves there relative the thoughts at the analyst meeting of being able to increase pricing over the long term?
G. Steven Farris
Management
I think you’re seeing an administration that is trying to sure up their financial position. I don’t know what the out crop is. I know we have a number of Argentine employees that were pretty long faced when they heard that news. The fundamental problem in Argentina if you take out the things that go back and forth with respect to different laws and stuff and unions, etc. they have a fundamental problem with meeting demand, whether it’s on the crude side or the gas side. Again, I would refer you to our website but now their supply is less than their demand and they’re having to import LNG or use diesel or make propane natural gas by putting air in it. What they’ve done is come up with a program that is called gas plus that basically allows you to contract directly with a supplier at whatever price the market will bear. Part of our program for the first part of next year – right now actually and the first part of next year is going to be drilling those gas wells in the [nic] and to test the resolves of the government to actually make that work. I mean there is a law in place and the only time you will know whether or not that is really going to stick is when they get in to the winter months which is our summer months and they need gas whether or not they’re going to redirect that gas in to the residential market. But, I think fundamentally things have to change there.
David Heikkinen- Tudor Pickering Holt
Analyst
How do you internally assess risk of nationalization?
G. Steven Farris
Management
I have very little concern about a true nationalization in Argentina and the reason is they don’t – I don’t know what they’d use for money to invest in order to do anything different than anybody else does. What you really continue to be concerned about is they have an export price on oil, they depressed the price of natural gas and what happens is they bleed you to death if you know what I’m saying. But, in terms of actually walking in and nationalizing I think that would be – obviously, they could do anything, they’re the government but I don’t think it’s in their best interest to do that, if you just look at it purely from a self interest standpoint.
Roger B. Plank
Management
One thing it took me years to figure out that’s so obvious now that I look back is if you think about nationalizing where that’s happened in the past is where a country is exporting and getting all sorts of cash over and above what’s being invested in the country. A country that doesn’t have enough energy in and of itself and doesn’t have the cash to invest, there’s a symbiotic relationship there, they need capital and if they had excess oil and were exporting oil they wouldn’t need it. So, it’s a lot harder to say, “Get lost.” Because, what are they going to do for money.
Operator
Operator
At this time with no further questions from the audience I’d like to turn the call back over to Mr. Dye for any closing or additional remarks.
Robert J. Dye
Analyst
Thank you very much for listening in and if anybody needs me after the call I’ll be in my office.
Operator
Operator
That does conclude today’s presentation. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect your lines.