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Operator

Operator

Good day everyone and welcome to the Apache Corporation First Quarter 2009 Earning Conference Call. Today's call is being recorded at this time for opening remarks I would like to turn the call over to Tom Chambers Vice President of Corporate Planning and Investor Relations. Please go ahead sir.

Tom Chambers

President

Good afternoon everyone and thanks for joining us today for Apache Corporation's first quarter 2009 earnings conference call. As you have probably seen this morning we reported first quarter net loss of $1.76 billion or $5.25 per diluted share. Loss was the result of the continuing deterioration in north American gas prices at the end of 2008 which recorded 1.98 billion non-cash after tax reduction in the carrying value of oil and gas properties as required by the booker methodology of accounting. Just to reiterate low cost accounting rules require us to calculate the 10% discounted after tax value of our proved reserves using flat period and prices and cost for the entire life of the reserve base. As the calculated discounted value is less than our net carrying value the excess monthly written-off. The reported write down is a non-cash charge and in that way it impacts our ongoing financial flexibility. Roger Plank will provide more details in his comments. Today's discussion may contain forward-looking estimates and assumptions and no assurance can be given that those expectations will be realized. A full disclaimer is located on our website any non-GAAP numbers that we discuss such as adjusted earnings, cash flow from operations or costs incurred will be identified as such as the reconciliation located on our website at www.apachecorp.com. We routinely put up important information on our website and including today's additional detail on the Permian Basin acquisition from Marathon announced this morning. On today's call we will have four speakers making prepared remarks prior to taking questions. We will open up with Steve Farris, our Chairman and Chief Executive Officer followed Rod Eichler our Co-Chief Operating Officer and President International, John Crum our Co-Chief Operating Officer and President North America and concluding by Roger Plank our President and with that I’ll turn the call over to Steve.

Steve Farris

Chairman

Good afternoon everyone and thank you for joining our first quarter 2009 earnings call. Before I get into the first quarter remarks I would like to take moment and outline the format of today's call because we do have more speakers. Tom Chambers as you heard is our Vice President of Investor Relations. Rod Eichler and John Crum are our new Co-Chief Operating Officers and they will review the operating highlights and then Roger Plank who is Apache's new President will review the financial highlights for the quarter. One final side notes I would like to mention I would like to publicly thank Bob Dye who has done an outstanding job over a decade in directing Apache's Investor Relations. Tom Chambers is taking over and Bob is taking a broader administrative role within Apache. All of you saw today we announced the acquisition of the Permian oil portfolio in the Permian Basin from Marathon Oil in the Permian Basin. These long lived oil properties are a great fit for our large portfolio in the Permian and will provide us with drilling inventories for many years. I think we communicated over recent months that we are starting to see better value opportunities and this transaction is representative of that view. In the first quarter Apache's global production increased by 6% over the previous quarter which is in line with the expectations for the year. And as Rod and John will review in greater detail in a moment we had another quarter of important oil discoveries, a diverse range of basins in place. We discovered new fields in Egypt, five new fields in Egypt including three with a combined 9400 barrels of oil per day. In Australia we proved a new gas horizon in multi-Tcf (inaudible) complex. In Argentina we discovered a…

Rod Eichler

Management

Thank you, Steve. I will provide a quick overview of main developments in international regions. Beginning in Egypt net production was 136,500 barrels of oil equivalent per day, a 10.9% increase from fourth quarter. The region achieved new daily production records for gross oil and condensate at 161,739 barrels of fluid per day and gross gas at 685 million cubic feet gas per day. On the exploration side we completed drilling and or testing operations on 9 new [wildcat] wells resulting in five new field discoveries during the first quarter. Apache has 100% contract of working interest in all of these wells. Some brief highlights on three of these new discoveries in the greater Khalda Concession area are as follows. The Phiops-1X well on Kalabsha Development Lease logged 173 feet of oil pay in the Cretaceous AEB sands and 103 feet pay in the Jurassic Safa sands. Safa sands tested at 2300 barrels of oil per day and 5.2 million cubic feet of gas per day and production commenced on April 16. Additionally two development wells are presently drilling to exploit the AEB and Safa pay season discovery well. The WKAL-C-1X was Kalabsha Concession logged 202 net feet of oil pay in the AEB sands and 17 feet of Jurassic Safa sand pay, test rates were 2900 barrels of condensate per day and 15.8 million cubic feet of gas per day in the AEB. And 770 barrels of oil per day and 3.9 million cubic feet of gas per day in the Safa. First production from the well should be in the third quarter. The WKAL-C-1X in the north concession logged 48 feet of AEB sand pay and tested 3500 barrels of oil per day and 4.5 million cubic feet gas per day. This is the first commercial oil discovery…

John Crum

Management

Thank you, Rod. In Canada net production was 78,000 barrels equivalent, an increase of 2% from the fourth quarter 2008, primarily on successful winter drilling program adds. As an update on the Ootla river basin which many of you heard about? You are aware that both Apache and our partner in Canada are drilling in the two like area with pad style development programs. This minimizes our infrastructure costs and reduces our footprint while testing the full development model pad operation. The partners have almost completed a shared dehydration compression facility for the area and a 41-mile, 24-inch export line to the spectra tie in point at Cabin Lake is being commissioned as we speak. EnCana has already drilled and cased eight horizontal wells and will drill three additional wells this year. Two of the EnCana operated wells are already completed with remainder expected by late summer. We expect to see first sales from the EnCana wells by July. On the Apache operated D70-K pad we have two rigs in place both the moving systems drilling on the same pad. We've patched that surface casing on all 16 wells planned for the pad. The first two horizontal wells have been drilled and cased with approximately 5,000 foot laterals. We will drill all 16 wells before mobilizing the frac spread to control our costs. We presently expect to start frac operations by September and have this pad producing the sales by the ends of the year. We will be increasing the number of fracs per well in the program this year based on the success of last year's program where our 10 frac well, the most we did in any of those wells last year is still producing over 4 million a day after seven months on production. In the central…

Roger Plank

President

Okay. Thank you, John. And good afternoon everyone. In Cairo we drink a beer called Stella its not Stella Artois, but Stella local. It's rather murky in appearance, perhaps to hide the occasional chunk, that are found floating in it. But Stella has a great motto on their T-shirts "That which does not kill us makes us stronger". That's not a bad statement about Apache and what's happening in our industry today. Collapsing prices, particularly for North American natural gas are straining producers some to the snapping point. And while Apache with our $2 billion write-down it's hardly un-staged this is not our first downturn by any means. And our finance wherewithal remains intact. We intend to be among the few that come out, the other ends of this downturn stronger for it. As Steve mentioned we are taking the tough steps as we endeavor to lead today's change rather than fall victim to it. We are raining in capital spending to preserve our financial flexibility and A rating. This gives us a tremendous competitive advantage in today's world of limited access to capital. Five-year money for Apache today costs under 5%. In the first quarter we reduced capital over half a billion dollars from the prior quarter alone and kept exploration and development spending in line with our plan. Our investment in cash flow have different profiles through the year but all in 2009 projected E&D capital of $3.5 billion to $4 billion is anticipated to fall well within cash flow. We are also battling costs that are returned, both cash and non-cash which I will go into shortly. Our personnel reductions have been painful but they've also been necessary to write size the organization for today's much lower commodity price environment. The annualized savings of $21 million gross…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instruction]. We will go first to Tom Gardner with Simmons & Company. Tom Gardner - Simmons & Company : Good afternoon, gentlemen. I just wanted to do ask a question concerning your each Egyptian discoveries. Specifically can you give us a ballpark estimate of the added resource potential associated with the three oil discoveries?

Steve Farris

Chairman

Its, if you look at the first couple of wells we have, some of these are early stage development. The fee option is perhaps our one of our most exciting projects that we have in 2009, exploration side we made this discovery early in the quarter. We anticipate drilling at least five wells in the future in 2009 and our expectation is to be able to exploit that AEB very large oil of the AEB oil column to achieve perhaps a field wide rate production rate of 10,000 barrels per day. Exact reserve size it remains to be determined based on the success of the appraisal and exploration drilling towards this process of doing right now. Let's go to off shore this is the third such well in an area in our Faghur Basin play which we had discovered last year 2008. We are very excited about the rates we established in the first well. This structure is typically, support sizes up to about 2 million barrels to 3 million barrels. However once again as development drilling needs to be done on this prospect as well. And North Sea is the first discovery in the concession to great attractive structural accumulation. We also review the development drilling there. And we won't be able to test a well in full production until we have a development lease from a government which will come some time in the next 45 to 90 days. Tom Gardner - Simmons & Company : Thanks for that. And jumping over to Argentina, I just wanted to know how much the concession extension may have impacted your plans in the region and to what degree capital is still restricted and are you expecting gas prices to go up in the region going forward?

Steve Farris

Chairman

The concession extension is very important to our program because it has specially, doubled the existing life of the concession area. It protected our production and allowed us to add that the tale of the reserves otherwise it would have been granted back to the province beginning in 2016. That is essentially having 9 million barrels net to us by the fact of signing the extensions. It's a significant area. It's our bread and butter area in Argentina at the present time. And so the extension gives us a lot of life and running room for our program in the future. With regard to the drilling program our drilling program in Argentina is pretty heavily loaded on the front end of the year. And I don't see much activity because we have curtailed Capex in Argentina accordingly associated with the cost primarily correct market prices as well as costs of doing business at the correct time.

John Crum

Management

On the gas price side you might have noticed that year-over-year we were up $0.14 to $1.98. I think that's the highest price we've had since we've been there. And they still have severe shortages there and basically when we, we can propose drilling new areas and get an exemption if you will from delivering that gas into low priced markets and selling it into free markets. And so the more that, more new gas we bring on the higher we hope to see our average price go. Tom Gardner - Simmons & Company: Thank you, gentlemen, that's helpful.

Operator

Operator

: We will go next, David Heikkinen with Tudor Pickering Holt.

David Heikkinen- Tudor Pickering Holt

Management

Good afternoon guys. A question about your thoughts around the E&D market now with your first acquisition announced, how many do you think are out there similar size kind of your target range, or what will be the maximum and just trying to get a feel for what you are thinking now that, now that you started maybe buying some things.

Rod Eichler

Management

Well, I don't think it's any secret that we are for the first time in two or three years actively looking for good things to buy. I think Roger pointed out that difference in price scenarios from last year to this year and putting reserves on your book at $7.21 rather than close to $20 per barrel is much more palatable to us. I think in terms of number one, we don't have anything in front of us. But we constantly are looking and I would tell you I think the bid and the ask between the buyer and the seller is getting a lot closer. I truly anticipate by this summer a lot of thing will start turning over. Obviously we are looking for thing to fit us like this Permian so we don't chase every pretty girl but I'm very confident that this year it's going to be a good year.

David Heikkinen- Tudor Pickering Holt

Management

Do you have any thoughts about volumes that you would buy or any ranges or is that just, that you talked in the past, acquisitions come and sometimes you get them and when they happen they happen?

Steve Farris

Chairman

Well, I think if you think about the time frame it's probably a pretty good time to grow. And you can either grow drilling wells or you can grow buying things and now as costs starts coming down it gets a little more economic to drill but in terms of the economics of acquisitions right now it's probably a better time to acquire. So I'm not going to put a size on it but, and we are a, we like to grow incrementally. So I doubt very seriously if you could see us go up and buy something gigantic but in terms of buying something little bigger than what you saw there we would probably do that also.

David Heikkinen- Tudor Pickering Holt

Management

Okay thanks. That's helpful.

Operator

Operator

We will go next, Brian Singer - Goldman Sachs.

Brian Singer - Goldman Sachs

Management

Thank you very much. Good afternoon. Following up on the last question but more towards your comments on drilling, with costs having come down I mean I appreciate the color on that, what gas price do you think it would make sense to begin drilling again in the US onshore and the US offshore and how does that I guess, how does that work in with your acquisition capital or planned acquisition capital as well. Does that further then need to get higher gas price to say it's not necessarily worth doing acquisitions, let's start drilling again?

Steve Farris

Chairman

I think that the first point here is that we don't think cost have come down as far as they are going to come down yet. So it's a question of when do, you want a dollar cash cost average down or you want to wait until they get down there. And I think to the extent that we can we are going to push the service companies as far down as we can get them. And in terms of what price you needed it really depends on where it is. I mean it's very hard to make a blanket statement that you need $5 gas or you need $4 gas because every prospect honestly has a different profile and a different cost. So that's a, if anybody gives you a number unless they are just drilling a lot of wells in one area it's pretty hard to come up with that number.

Brian Singer - Goldman Sachs

Management

What about the Western Oklahoma specifically or Oklahoma specifically which I know is an area it's been very active I mean it's an area where we've seen the rig count come down significantly?

Steve Farris

Chairman

John you want to?

John Crum

Management

No I think a lot of what you saw happening in Oklahoma is not only cost getting out of line but our basis differential got completely screwy there for a while. Those are starting to level out. And so we weren't even seeing, what would be anywhere close to an acceptable price in Western Oklahoma in the first quarter. Obviously these costs coming down will help but I just talked to our drilling manager up there a few hours before this call and he is seeing even more reductions coming. So for Steve's points I think we will just kind of watch this little bit longer and see where it's going.

Brian Singer - Goldman Sachs

Management

Great, thanks. Can I ask one more, can you give us an update on the Western Australia gas market both on how your main industrial customers are the main industrial consumers are fairing in the current environment and where you see pricing on the margin?

Steve Farris

Chairman

: Well, I think that there is no doubt that you would be; the supply of gas is just not in the United States. There was a demand weakens in the United States, demand has weakened around the world. We were able to sign a very good contract with CP mining. That's going to underpin the development of the Reindeer field. But in terms of our current outlook it's probably more in the $4 to $6 range rather than $6 to $8 range.

Brian Singer - Goldman Sachs

Management

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

We will go next to Gil Yang with Citigroup.

Gil Yang - Citigroup

Management

Good afternoon. Going back to the M&A market, just for a second, Steve, you mentioned that you would like to grow incrementally. Would that seem to, just that you would not use the current low price environment to step into new areas that you would like to be in that you are not currently in?

Steve Farris

Chairman

You know, the problem, never say never. It's probably a much better time to know what you are doing and do it in areas that you have people that know what they are doing.

Gil Yang - Citigroup

Management

Okay.

Steve Farris

Chairman

: But with the right opportunity came along in an area that we wanted to be in that wouldn't be out of the question. Gil Yang – Citigroup: Right. That's helpful. Second question I have got just about the acquisition. Could you just comment on what, how big you expect the well to be on a 20 acres versus the 40 acres spacing that they are currently on in terms of EUR?

Steve Farris

Chairman

Those wells will probably make 150,000 barrels a piece. So, you are looking at [me do] for example that this right offset our northeast record unit that we picked up many years ago and we had a tremendous program there, and we ramped production up significantly and still are doing parts of that extension water flooding around that field. In round numbers I think they were about 150,000.

John Crum

Management

While importantly too in that area these are multi-pay areas, so we have other than the drinker available to us there. A lot of different sands and carbonates produce in that area. That's why we like it so well. Gil Yang – Citigroup: Okay, that's helpful. I was just trying to get a sense for how these wells, the 20 acre wells would perform versus the 40 acre wells. Would the 40 acre wells be closer to 200,000 barrels or?

Steve Farris

Chairman

In fact we haven't seen an awful lot of interference between our 40 acre spacing. If you saw a lot of interference you wouldn't down space. It's not acceleration drilling that you are doing to down space to 20. What you are really trying to do is get oil is not going to be produced from a 40 acre spacing. Gil Yang – Citigroup: Okay. All right. Fine. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

We will go next to Joe Allman with J.P. Morgan.

Joe Allman - J.P. Morgan

Management

Thank you, everybody. In terms of the Capex budget could you clarify what the Capex budget is for '09 and what the commodity prices you are now basing that on?

Steve Farris

Chairman

Well, our Capex budget is around $3.5 billion right now, maybe a little bit higher than that, $3.6, $3.65. And that's based on $40, and $4 gas.

John Crum

Management

$4.50.

Steve Farris

Chairman

$4.50 gas, I'm sorry.

Joe Allman - J.P. Morgan

Management

Okay, that’s helpful. You mentioned Ootla I think composure shale, I think you said Freestone County. What kind of scale do you have in that area?

John Crum

Management

We have got quite a bit of acreage in the area so the guys are working pretty hard on seeing where else this might apply but if you know something about chasing the Bossier it's not a blanket operation. You've got to pick the right places when you go up.

Joe Allman - J.P. Morgan

Management

Okay and then just a question on difference for acquisitions, is it important for Apache to be an operator in any acquisitions you do and I'm think about maybe a JV opportunity? Are you looking at some potential JV opportunities that are out there?

Steve Farris

Chairman

In terms of a drilling JV?

Joe Allman - J.P. Morgan

Management

Yeah, some of these JVs that are out there for the unconventional plays.

Steve Farris

Chairman

Now, again, I never say never but we are not a very cogent non operator. If we are not able to control it, it's probably not of a big interest to us.

Joe Allman - J.P. Morgan

Management

Got you. Thank you, very helpful.

Operator

Operator

We will go next to Larry Benedetto with Howard Weil.

Larry Benedetto - Howard Weil

Management

Thanks. Good afternoon, everybody. A couple of things on Julimar you mentioned that you had some further exploration success there, is there any update on your expectations, your plans as to how you might look to monetize the asset in terms of which LNG you go down?

John Crum

Management

We are currently looking at a couple of different LNG options for the development of that project and it's a little bit too early in our decision making process to land on one versus another. But we are actively pursuing that.

Larry Benedetto - Howard Weil

Management

I guess what's behind my question at some point would Apache consider taking an equity steak in one or other of the opportunities and if so any update as to how those discussions might be going?

Rod Eichler

Management

Certainly a lot of different options are on the table. There was time that we’re evaluating. It's probably a little early for us to commit one way or the other or to say the direct we are looking to go at this time.

Larry Benedetto - Howard Weil

Management

Okay. I will leave that one. Jumping to Egypt. Again it seems that every time we turn around there's substantial exploration success there but you haven't really given any update on the production outlook since your two X target set a few years ago. 11 is the original target what are your thoughts now in terms of what the potential is in Egypt and when might we get an update in terms of the longer term opportunity? What needs to happen to fit the pieces in place or for you to give us an update?

Rod Eichler

Management

Well give you an idea on the two X which benefits everybody listening the two X program was the two times projection project which we launched with the government back in 2005. The objective was to be able to double our net production which was 163,000 barrels per day to double that by year end of 2010, which can take up to 326,000 barrels per day that was our target oil equivalent. Presently, at least as of last week our forecast based on our original projections was to be 260,443 barrels of oil equivalent per day as of the 19th of April. I'm pleased to report that as of 19th of April our actual production was 273,701 barrels of oil equivalent per day. So we are well ahead of the forecast with just about 18 months left to go on the program. So we are, and a big part of it of course the gas components that we have which is growing significantly as I mentioned in my remarks beginning in June of this year with the completion of the two new gas trains in Salam and northern compression project which will boost our net gas production mainly by 100 million per day and about 500,000 barrels of condensate per day.

Larry Benedetto - Howard Weil

Management

Not ready to give us an update yet?

Steve Farris

Chairman

The other thing you have to recognize is we are just finishing putting three and four there and we will have been, again be captive until such time as we build another train out there and we have shelved the train because of cost in 2008 and we are looking to pick that up again probably in 2010, which would be another 100 million per day train.

Larry Benedetto - Howard Weil

Management

Okay. I will wait on the updates. Just one thing I want from the, I'm sorry if I missed this earlier in the prepared remarks but cash operating cost, what kind of guidance can you give us in terms of how sustainable or where we see the cash kept the LOE in particular go from here, I think you are (inaudible) need dollars which is a fairly healthy decline from Q4 in particular, but how much lower do you think that can go given your current new cost cutting initiatives, what is your kind of target there if you want to lay one out there for us?

John Crum

Management

So, I think I’ve mentioned the quarter we were at 806 from 1091 or something. 1091 and we had some non-recurring things in it. But we still foresee a rate somewhere around eight in a quarter on a go forward basis. The longer prices stay down the more those costs have come down but at least at this point in time we see that low $8 number sustainable.

Steve Farris

Chairman

I talked a little bit about the being able to do business in any price environment. I'm going to give you some examples of some numbers because we are going to have to see service companies get down to these levels. 2006 we averaged about $60 per barrel and about $5.60 on gas. Our operating costs were $5.40 per barrel. If you look at $8 per barrel, we've got a lot of services that still have to come out of this business to get down to those kind of numbers and do I think we will get that far down? The mix has changed but the fact of the matter that costs have got to continue to come down and they will. As long as if we continue to see these kind of prices costs will continue to come down.

Larry Benedetto - Howard Weil

Management

Appreciate the clarity, Steve, thanks.

Operator

Operator

We will go next to Leo Mariani with RBC.

Leo Mariani - RBC Capital Markets

Management

Good afternoon you guys. Do you have any update in your activity in the Eagle Ford Shale play?

John Crum

Management

We are presently evaluating that. I guess we did have some drilling problems on several wells there and we’re kind of working through that to make sure we understood what the issues are. I will say we will be trending toward looking at the gas windows a little more than the oil window there, and I guess that's as much as I can tell you about it.

Leo Mariani - RBC Capital Markets

Management

Okay. Just curious about what your other high impact exploration activity looks like in 2009, kind of outside of Egypt? I know you guys had a program out there in Australia. Just curious to see what's going on these days?

Rod Eichler

Management

The primary exploration area is for internationally are Egypt and Australia. For 2009 and we have a 15 well program in Australia for 2009 that includes 12 exploration appraisal wells and three development wells which are three development wells are Van Gogh and John Brookes field. We trailed five exploration wells so far, one development well with four successes. And so we have a floated just moved into the location just this past month and we have a continual drilling campaign will take us through into the early part of the third quarter. As far as the projects go of course these key appraisal wells that I mentioned in my remarks with regard to the in the June March about Mellow complex are important expanding our confidence in the size of that resource as well as we anticipate beginning a appraisal and development program at the acquisition later this year which also has a significant reserve upside for us in 2009.

Leo Mariani - RBC Capital Markets

Management

Okay. You flocks talked quite a bit about reducing your onshore natural gas activity given the low price environment. Can you talk about little bit your onshore oil activity and whether or not you've seen a big reduction there and kind of what your thoughts are about drilling in a $50 type of price here?

John Crum

Management

Well, one of the examples I gave you is on Permian Basin rigs and they would primarily be working on oil prospects of indeed we are seeing costs come down there as well. Obviously we would like to get back to oil drilling as early as possible but really was around getting costs completely out of line over the last year.

Leo Mariani - RBC Capital Markets

Management

Okay. So I guess it, are you trying to saying that you don't really have many rigs running on the oil side at all in the US it gaining for cost consumption?

John Crum

Management

Just to give you an example in the central region right now we have one rig running, that's running in Western Oklahoma. So, we would typically have, I don't know, maybe 35, 40 rigs running at this time of the year.

Leo Mariani - RBC Capital Markets

Management

Okay. Thanks a lot, guys.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instruction]. We will go next to David Tameron with Wachovia.

David Tameron - Wachovia Securities

Management

Hi, thanks, good afternoon, everybody. Nice quarter. A couple questions getting back to economic, when do these projects become, when do service costs drop enough to get making the projects working? If you did have to put, can you talk about just if you look at your natural gas plays what today given current service costs and current health prices has the best economics, not to say you would go out and drill today but of the once you look at in your portfolio on the natural gas which ones have the best economics?

Steve Farris

Chairman

Frankly it's the Gulf of Mexico and the reason is you don't see the declines, and we drill off the more existing platforms and so what happens there is that you get a rate for a period of time. It doesn't have the, whether it's Apache's shale play or anybody else shale play it doesn't have the hyperbolic curve to it. So, what happens is if you don't get the upfront price out of those non conventional place you have a heck of a time ever making the economic. But if I make 20 million per day for three year lap get have the same reserves out of those two. I will make much better economics drilling Gulf of Mexico well.

David Tameron - Wachovia Securities

Management

Okay. What's the number two right now, Steve, do you have a feel for that?

Steve Farris

Chairman

Oil.

David Tameron - Wachovia Securities

Management

Alright, put it up. One bigger picture question on gas side. Obviously on this side of the phone everybody always tries to figure out what the right long-term natural gas price is. From your perspective, one, do you have an opinion on what that number is it, two, can service costs drop enough or is it likely that service costs drop enough that maybe the number is four or five versus a six or seven number? Can you talk a little bit about that?

Steve Farris

Chairman

This is, I've been in this business 37 years, so I will tell you that if you have $4, $5 gas price for most of my career four, $4, $5 was mechanicka. And we drilled a lot of wells. And if you have $4, $5 gas price you will have cost or conventional we have to make the right return because and I love them all, good friends of mine but drilling companies are par sites. You don't have a producer that spend money, you don't have somebody to drills the well. I'm not so concerned about is there a margin. What I'm concerned about is that the current price fit the current cost and in my knowledge still don't.

David Tameron - Wachovia Securities

Management

They don't, but one thing I wanted to mention because this question has come up a couple of times, it's not that we have projects, we do have these two but it's not just that we have projects that aren't economic at today's price, because really our capital has been curtailed in order to preserve our financial flexibility. It's written, from my perspective the question is what do prices have to rise to before we have the cash flow to put more at it into the ground. So, if you were to ask our regions I think they would tell you, we have a lot more inventory that makes economics than the amount of capital that we are allocating to.

Steve Farris

Chairman

The one thing I would say about that and hopefully it's coming across because Roger makes a very good point and I've been trying to make, the reason that we are not drilling right now is not because you can't make economics. It is because why would I drill a well if I know, and I'm certain costs are going to keep coming down. Why would I drill a well and spend more money than I have to spend to drill the well. And we have, if you looked at our original budget coming into the year it is significantly what the regions had spots on the map for at $4.50 and $40 oil. It is significantly higher than the amount of money we are spending. What we are hoping is that those same $3.5 billion, $3.6 billion is going to drill a lot more wells because costs are going to keep coming down.

David Tameron - Wachovia Securities

Management

Okay. Now, that's great color. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

And there are no other questions at this time. I would like to turn things back to our speakers for any closing remarks.

Tom Chambers

President

Thank you for joining us today. I will be in my office if anyone has any further questions. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

That concludes our questions. That concludes our conference. Thank you for your participation.