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Operator

Operator

Good day everyone and welcome to the Apache Corporation third quarter 2009 earnings conference call. This call is being recorded. Today's presentation will be hosted by Mr. Tom Chambers, Vice President of Corporate Planning and Investor Relations. Mr. Chambers, please go ahead.

Tom Chambers

President

Good afternoon everyone and thanks for joining us for Apache Corporation's third quarter 2009 earnings conference call. This morning you'll see we reported third quarter net income of $441 million or $1.30 per diluted share and cash flow from operations of $1.3 billion. Adjusted earnings which excludes certain items that impact the comparability of the results totaled $534 million or $1.58 per diluted share. On today's call we'll have four speakers making prepared remarks prior to taking questions. Steve Farris will kick off the session. He's our Chairman and Chief Executive Officer; followed by Rod Eichler our Co-Chief Operating Officer and President, International; then John Crum our Co-Chief Operating Officer and President of North America; and Roger Plank our President. Today's discussion may contain forward-looking estimates and assumptions and no assurance can be given that those expectations will be realized. A full disclaimer is included on our website. Any non-GAAP numbers that we discuss such as adjusted earnings, cash flow from operations or costs incurred, will be identified as such with the reconciliation located on our website. In addition, we have posted some supplemental financial information for the quarter on our website as well. All this information can be accessed at www.apachecorp.com/financialdata. With that, I'll turn the call over to Steve.

Steve Farris

Management

Apache delivered solid production growth during the third quarter. Production was up 19% against the same period last year and up 8% on a year-to-year basis compared to last year. In a moment, Rod and John and Roger will walk through our progress during the quarter. First I'd like to highlight three specific recent developments that we've had. The first, as you may have read, we're going to pursue the development of a liquefied natural gas export hub in Western Australia which is in cooperation with Chevron and Kuwait's KUFPEC. The project is called Wheatstone and will give Apache a steady cash flow base for 15 years. This cash flow base will be based on production net to Apache of 190 million cubic feet gas per day and 5,100 barrels of condensate per day for 15 years without decline. We expect the natural gas to be marketed on a long-term contract basis at Asian LNG prices. These are linked to oil prices and represent a significant premium to North American gas prices. In addition to project's realizations, we'll have the benefit of contractual stability for the duration of the project which enhances our portfolio balance which is in contrast to the boom and crash volatility of North American natural gas prices. Apache's mission is to create long-term superior value for our shareholders and this project is an outstanding example of it. Looking beyond the immediate project, we have a very large prospective acreage position in Western Australia and the Wheatstone infrastructure goes right through the middle of much of it and it's expected to provide the means to monetize our ongoing exploration discoveries at premium and stable oil length prices. The second item is the recent developments that we've had in Argentina where we've signed a gas contract for $5…

Rod Eichler

Management

Thank you, Steve. I will provide a quick overview of the main developments in our international regions. During the third quarter, production from Apache's international operations was 316,700 barrels of oil equivalent per day, a 4.6% increase over second quarter. The production increase can be attributed to drilling successes in the North Sea as well as a full quarter of restored production from Australia's Marinas Island. In Egypt, net production was 155,600 barrels of oil equivalent per day, a 1.6% decrease from second quarter. The net decrease was due to higher oil prices resulting in lower cost recovery barrels under the PUC, combined with lower cost recovery. By contrast, gross BOE per day for the quarter increased by 16,700 barrels per day or 6% from 273,800 to 290,500 barrels of oil equivalent per day. During the quarter, Egypt region achieved new daily gross production records per gross oil and condensate at 174,600 barrels of oil per day and gross gas at 823 million cubic feet gas per day. On the exploration side, we completed drilling and/or testing operations on six new wildcat resulting in two new field discoveries during the third quarter. Four wildcat wells are presently drilling. Apache has a 100% contract of working interest in all but one of these wells. Some brief highlights of the two new discoveries and significant appraisal and development wells in the greater call to concession area are as follows. The Chelsea-1X wells had (inaudible) call the offset concession tested $19 million a day of gas and 650 barrels of condensate from 31 feet of upper Safa sand and 1,800 barrels of oil per day from 38 feet of AEB sand. A development lease is pending approval by the government and production is expected to commence by year-end. The Prince 1-X wildcat in…

John Crum

Management

Thank you, Rod. In our central region we produced 88,400 barrels equivalent for the quarter, up slightly from the second quarter. We had very little drilling and work over activity during the first two quarters as we waited for cost to reflect the 2009 product prices. In the meantime, we concentrate on building and upgrading our inventory. During the third quarter we began to measure drilling and work over recompletion program with emphasis on oil prospects and gain change or gas opportunities. We have now ramped up activity to a present level of eight drilling and 34 work over recompletion rigs running in the region. Results from the drilling and work over programs offset the regions natural decline. We expect fourth quarter to be up even more due to some notable new wells and a full quarter of activity. Overall, lifting costs were up 3.9% to 796 per BOE due almost exclusively to the additional work over activity. Base lifting costs were actually down as our cost reduction efforts continued to show. The region performed a 100 work over and recompletion projects during the quarter adding more than 1800 barrels equivalent to production volumes. On the drilling side, with emphasis on oil production, 70% of the central regions third quarter wells were drilled in the oil rich Permian Basin at shallow depths. On the Texas side of the basin, we drilled six [Delaware] wells in our TXL north and south units. The wells averaged just over 100 barrels of oil per day each and will result in a 20 well infill program planned for the first quarter of 2010. Apache has been particularly active in the New Mexico side of the basin maintaining three drilling rigs and five work over rigs during the quarter. In the last quarter, we drilled…

Roger Plank

President

I've got a potential laryngitis. So, I'll do my best to croak my way through these remarks before turning it back to Steve. Apache's strong third quarter results were driven by higher oil prices and record production of both oil and gas. Despite severe capital reductions this year, we grew daily production 3% sequentially to 607,000 barrels equivalent, piercing the 600 mark for the first time in our 50 plus years. Our balanced production mix also served us well with equivalent realization climbing 7% sequentially with 12% higher oil prices offsetting a 1% decline in our gas price. Earnings adjusted for the impact of foreign currency on deferred tax, of $534 million or $1.58 per share reached a high for the year during the quarter. Record production on higher realizations drove earnings 12% higher than the prior quarter. Cash flow from operations of $1.3 billion also reached a high for the year. Substantial free cash flow enabled cash balances to rise by over $0.5 billion to nearly $1.4 billion at the close of the quarter. As a result of stronger than planned cash flow and declining drilling costs, we've loosened up our purse strings on our capital budget to around $4.1 billion from an initial budget of just north of $3.5 billion. Turning to operating costs, our cash operating costs on a unit basis increased just under 10% sequentially, primarily on seven stacks and PRT with higher oil prices. Excluding these other taxes, our controllable cash operating costs were up only 1.5%. With production up and prices presently above third quarter averages, we anticipate a strong finish to a topsy-turvy year. Our long-term outlook for production growth remains strong with production plateauing at third quarter levels, until we get beyond the shut-ins in Egypt and the North Sea which we…

Steve Farris

Management

Thank you, Roger. I'd like to close our comments by taking stock of a little bit of what Roger where it was delivering and building a pipeline of long large, long-term, stable and diverse energy projects. And I think all of you have probably seen a chart with the news in recently showing our major granite growth projects that are expected to contribute close to 140,000 barrels equivalent of new production to Apache by 2012. And those are the big projects we have been investing in during the recent quarters. If you visualize that diagram, we've delivered the Salon gas plant three and four in the Asala ridge waterfloods in Egypt. The Geauxpher development in the Gulf of Mexico during this year already. And that means we've done all the work and invested the capital required and as there are aggregate production, contribution of those projects will hold steady for a good number of years. As a result, we now have the benefit of those steady production in cash flow for an extended period. We've heard many times today the next tier of projects in our pipeline will benefit Apache's growth next year. That's Van Gogh and Pyrenees and also (inaudible) expected to come on stream and ramp up during 2010. In addition, we have a large and growing pipeline of major projects to support our growth beyond 2010. These include some of the things that Rod pointed out, Phiops discovery in Egypt, Halyard, Reindeer, Macedon, Coniston discoveries in Australia, and our fifth Salon plant in Egypt. And we are adding to go this pipeline steadily. This quarter alone we've added the Wheatstone as a major 15-year project. The Granite Wash as a resource play with literally hundreds of locations. I might point out that this entire pipeline is organically…

Operator

Operator

(Operator Instructions) And we'll go first to Brian Singer with Goldman Sachs.

Brian Singer

Management

First question on Coniston, the wealth you highlighted earlier seems to have relatively high rates and I wondered if you could provide some more color on the resource potential there and capacity available that's leading to your decision to tie that project back versus potentially developed new infrastructure.

Steve Farris

Management

We're constant and we drilled five wells to date and probably have another two or three wells to complete delineation structure when the rig returns to this area sometime in early December. We currently from our current view of the field from the first five wells we drilled and the test results for the two wells which I mentioned this is probably has a gross recoverable oil accumulation in the vicinity of about 35 to 40 million barrels. It's within 10 kilometers of the Van Gogh FPSO development so it's very likely and we of course early in the stages of doing the development assessment. But we very likely tie it to the Van Gogh FPSO.

Brian Singer

Management

Secondly on Wheatstone, you had highlighted the potential for that project to development 2.1 Tcf. What do you see as your discovered resource at Julimar and Brunello as well as any nearby fields and how should we think about your interest in resource available for potential expansions beyond these first two trains?

Rod Eichler

Management

Well, we have 2.14 Tcf which we referenced is our kind of our P50 reserve case. We have significant upside to that. We have a lot of satellite projects in the area which could access those production through that facility by virtue of their near proximity. In fact its one of the beauties of the Wheatstone development for us at LNG as it really allows us to bring a lot more of these previously discovered, but isolated accumulations into the marketplace.

Brian Singer

Management

Maybe I missed it, do you have a sense of what that could represent? In other words, are there discoveries that you may not have deemed commercial in the past that could now become commercial above and beyond to the 2.1 Tcf?

Rod Eichler

Management

A bunch are there in the (inaudible) area I which I mentioned, which is right next to the Van Gogh and Coniston and (inaudible) area is the gas development there. Probably four projects we've identified in there, we probably add up to 150 Bcf resource potential on our existing licenses, and we have others which could be delayed and also in the area between Pyrenees Island and the Wheatstone central production platform on existing lands. I don't have a number to give you this afternoon.

Operator

Operator

And we'll go next to David Tameron with Wells Fargo.

David Tameron

Management

Can you comment on the acquisition market? I know it's something you talked about this time last year, then prices ran ahead of you. Can you talk about your current thoughts there?

Rod Eichler

Management

Yeah, personally I think it's a little too early to the tell. We are more active as we said a number of times in looking for and at things to buy. I think we find ourselves in a good position with (inaudible) and Apache because we are very selective right now in terms of what we look at because we've got to weigh that against the opportunities that we have on our plate internally versus things that we're looking at. And quite frankly, the real bottomline is, we haven't found anything that competes with what we do for a living right now.

David Tameron

Management

Any general feel for the market, are oil properties still tight? PV-10 [PAC] numbers, can you give me any color there?

Rod Eichler

Management

While I can't say that there' is nothing that you can look at, and I will tell you, to be real honest with you, the value of the oil to reality is really better and the reason is because people don't have the same view of Mecca coming out there as they do on gas prices, because if you look at a lot of things that are happening out there and if you looked at the current date, the cash market today they don't make sense. You have to look at the strip which is why you see an awful lot of folks out there hedging, because you have to look at the strip to make those things economic. So, honestly the value difference between oil is much smaller than the value difference between gas right now.

David Tameron

Management

And then, up in Ootla Horn River, can you talk about what's your current well cost? What are they running?

Rod Eichler

Management

John?

John Crump

Management

Well, we're still working on the 10 million per well but I think I have mentioned to some of you in the past, we tend to start experimenting and adding more fracs. We expect to get our per frac cost down to somewhere in the range of $300,000 per when we start this program, because we're going to have our own water supply and that's been a big cost element in our past jobs, we've had to haul water in with trucks.

David Tameron

Management

Okay. And right now those fracs are running what 600 or 700?

John Crump

Management

Yes, absolutely.

David Tameron

Management

All right. That's all and we talked in, did you are say you want to get the 10 million. You are not at 10 million today yet, are you?

John Crump

Management

No. We weren't at 10 million on the ones we've drilled earlier this year. But again, we're having to truck water in and doing less jobs. You can imagine we are about to start on a program where we'll do 16 wells with some 14, 15 fracs per well. So, that gives you some benefits of scale that we have not been able to take advantage of in the past.

Operator

Operator

Next, Joe Allman with JP Morgan.

Joe Allman

Management

In the Granite Wash, what is your net acreage there?

John Crump

Management

We've got roughly 75,000 acres of net, but we were in a position to, you're probably aware in Oklahoma you can propose a well with any amount of acreage in a section. So, we would expect to pick up additional acreage going forward with well proposals.

Joe Allman

Management

And then back to the Horn River basin. I think John you said something about an additional 11 million per day. I just kind of missed what you were saying. Can you talk about that?

John Crump

Management

Yeah I am sorry. I probably didn't make that clear. We are making $24 million a day out of those four wells that we completed this year. The six wells that we did last year make it another $11 million.

Joe Allman

Management

And then sticking with the Horn River Basin, could you help with the economics? What price do you think you need to get an adequate rate of return? And just help us on the decision to sends some gas through LNG versus any through pipe and what the costs involved there are?

John Crump

Management

Well I think we've shown you some numbers in the past in some presentations where we're around $4 at kind of a break-even point and obviously, that's going to be a little bit of kissing your sister at that number, but we can make it work there especially if we can drive out additional cost. And it tends to be a little bit of a chicken leg thing as realizations go down, we drive the cost down and we get it over the line that way. Obviously, we'd like to get $5, $6, $7. That's why we've hedged some of that gas this year.

Joe Allman

Management

And then just very quickly in Egypt. There are three types of wells that you're drilling there, Upper Bahariya AB in Jurassic. Is the cost sort of on average for those three about $3.5 million and remind us what the average reserves per well you're getting there?

John Crump

Management

Well, there's quite a bit of difference in depth between the three zones. Most of Bahariya development work is typically in the 6,000 to 8,000 foot range and those wells can be as cheap to drill and complete as $1.5 million, $2 million. The AEB wells are typically drilled between 10,000 and 12,000 feet. You are looking at probably $2 to $2.5 million for those wells and the Jurassic wells that can be from 12,000 to 14,000 feet. You're probably looking upwards of $3 million to drill and complete those wells. As far as the reserve sizes go, individual Bahariya wells, for instance the mature waterflood areas of (inaudible) in vicinity of 100,000 to 125,000 net barrels of oil reserves per well, but of course we have hundreds of those wells there. Those are the shallowest wells that we can drill and complete inside of like ten days. These range up to the higher end reserves which can be few hundred thousand barrels per well in the East Bahariya developments which are under active waterflood right now and if the primary successes there have been very significant, that we developed in 2007-2008, again 2009. And then lastly the Jurassic wells, the reserve range all the way from the big (inaudible) wells which have daily rates that can test from $40 million to 50 million per day plus large degrees of condensate. The number of typical Jurassic well would probably be in the 3 to 5 million barrels of oil equivalent per well.

Operator

Operator

And we'll go next to David Heikkinen with Tudor Pickering Holt.

David Heikkinen

Management

Just following up as you think about Egypt and what you've done with the waterflood volumes growing over the last several years, how would you think about continued waterflood growth over the next year and two years on an annual basis?

John Crump

Management

In waterflood program we current have about very 40 active waterflood projects and the oil reservoirs really have done themselves well to this kind of secondary recovery, and we intend to keep growing that. In fact we've been successful in bringing up that waterflood oil volume up to about 70,000 barrels a day currently at about the 160,000 to 170,000 barrels a day we produce gross. And that includes condensate. So, if you back out the condensate about half of our daily oil production, the black oil production of Egypt comes from waterfloods and secondary recovery activities. We would like to continue to grow that because it really flattens the normal decline that you normally see on primary producing wells and this will give us a nice firm base going forward. These fields are, for the most part the most recent fields which we have some 14 or 15 waterflood projects underway right now our the newest and as a result have very long lives of long flood production plateaus.

David Heikkinen

Management

And you are not waterflooding the A, B just in the area?

John Crump

Management

(Inaudible) saw the water so that two of these in the activity is in the Baja. We had some activity AEB in the called area. The bulk of our activity and most of oil volumes right now is coming out of the east Baja area which is principally from (inaudible) Bahariya sands.

David Heikkinen

Management

And then maybe on the Horn River basin as you think about increasing reserves for well I always get curious about how do you think about original gas in place now and kind of percentage of gas recovery and that would then lead to a number of wells per section?

John Crum

Management

Yeah, David, some of these exercises I mentioned we are going to be doing some more experimenting between ourselves and our partner we certainly are looking into a lot of things to increase the recovery that you would expect out of the area. I don't know that we are really changing our in place numbers. I guess there is still some debate about what that number is. What we certainly know about horizontal and multi-frac technology is as we drill the wells closer together and put more fracs in it we are going to recover higher percentages of the original gas in place. So the real key here is just get into that optimum number where you are spacing between the wells is getting as much gas as is economic to do and not wasting any more than possible. So obviously we could put a frac every 50 feet and recover even more but that's probably not economic.

David Heikkinen

Management

How do you think about the 16 wells that you're drilling, what spacing are you putting those on?

John Crum

Management

Well, the 16 wells that we just drilled we are on roughly 250-meters between the wells. And then putting, we had planned on putting 14 fracs. Now we'll tell you, we drilled two wells on the 16 well pad. We went up to 2200 meters of length where we had been at 1600 meters. So we will be doing some experimenting on those longer reach ones. On the pad that we are going to, we are going to take half the pad and take the spacing out to 350 meters and another half the pad and take it to 400-meters between wells. And that's where the real wind can come from. We think we can get the frac length to connect between the two wells, if we can stretch out that space and get longer reaches then obviously we will take less well bores to recover the same amount of gas.

David Heikkinen

Management

Okay. And then on as you think about gas discovered in Australia jumping around a little bit what would you say your P90 resource is so far tied to Wheatstone, injuring it's probably in the 1.6 to 1.9 TCF range.

Steve Farris

Management

P90 is 1.6 to 1.9 and P50 is the 2.14 that seems like a pretty tight range, is that fair?

David Heikkinen

Management

Well, the P50 is 2.1.

Steve Farris

Management

Okay.

Steve Farris

Management

It is, let's back up. The P50 is right now based on what we drilled, okay? So what you're looking for is additional gas drainage out of existing oil bores or existing in the area. With still have some other thing to drill out there.

David Heikkinen

Management

I was thinking about a distribution of what you've already drilled but that 1.6 to 1.9 thanks.

Operator

Operator

And we'll go next to Leo Mariano with RBC.

Leo Mariano

Management

Good afternoon here, guys. A question about Argentina. You guys have this $5 GAAP plus projects that you're working on. You talked about drilling it sounded like pretty close to 50 wells between the two projects over the next three years. Curious as to how much incremental reserves and production you guys think that can drive and when you expect some of that production to come online and what the costs are associated with that?

John Crum

Management

We believe the production online pretty quick in this area because we have infrastructure and these are all mostly in premature development areas so hook-ups are pretty quick. These wells as you heard are relatively shallow. They range anywhere from 3,000, 8,000 feet in most of those gas plus project areas. So those are pretty quick. Just a matter of applying the capital to be able to have the rigs to do it. We've had a pretty soft capital program down there this year which we are now ramping back up, now that we've had some agreements with the sales and industry or other operators with the government and the labor factions to be able to bring up production and make increase investment and exchange for these incentives for increased gas pricing.

Leo Mariano

Management

Okay. So what's your estimate of reserves you guys can bring online with that program over the next couple of years?

Rod Eichler

Management

That was a number of wells we have drilled. We report a modest decline each quarter of this year mostly because of the natural decline in the production. We would be able overcome that very easily by drilling more wells. We also had a large number of waterflood opportunities in Argentina. So it's pretty straight forward economics. I mean I don't have, it's quite a range of the program we have down there to be able to specify a certain reserve per well number.

Leo Mariano

Management

Okay. I'm just trying to get a better sense of what the kind of incremental economics are. You guys mention that at current pricing they don't work but it's $5 that work so I'm trying to get a sense of where in between the brake even is and how much money you're making?

Rob Eichler

Management

Current pricing in Argentina depending on what market you are selling the gas into can anywhere be from 80 cents to $2. So $5 is a pretty good deal.

Leo Mariano

Management

Okay. I guess jumping over to the Horn River basin here you guys have talked about trying to bring 27 wells on in the second quarter of '10. I'm just curious as to whether or not you guys are going to have any restructuring production constraint to that point in time or you think you are going to be able to flow all those wells full bore.

John Crum

Management

I think we will have to bring them on a little bit at a time if we get the results we've been getting you couldn't bring all 27 on obviously at the same time but of course we will bring on one pad at a time. We think that we are in pretty good shape on take away capacity in the Horn River basin into 2011.

Leo Mariano

Management

I was going to say what is that take away capacity you guys expect in 2010 out there in Horn River?

John Crum

Management

Well, we are still trying to put the schedule together on exactly how we'd do it but we have actually signed up for 100 million per day capacity through Spectra and we expect to pick up and whatever, that's net to us and Canada has done the same so that can expect to pick up some additional capacity of required from spare that they have available.

Leo Mariano

Management

Okay. Looking at Egypt obviously you guys have had really strong growth there the last several quarters as you brought on Salon and you had a couple of oil discoveries got your waterfloods ramped up. Just curious if you can talk qualitatively to what the production ramp is going to look like in Egypt in 2010. Are we going to be kind of growing slower from here as just more of your oil comes online or what can we expect there?

Rob Eichler

Management

In terms of the budgeting process right now for 2010 but I expect that based on our the inventory that did not get drilled in 2009 based on our capital restrictions this year that's all carried over 2010 plus the new projects I expect to return to a level of drilling activity very similar to what we experienced in 2008. Continued growth in production as I mentioned the Phiops field development is very significant or very likely to get to 20,000 barrels per day by mid third quarter of 2010 and we expect to expand the facilities even beyond that because it's a little bit remote area just to the west of our normal operating operations in (Inaudible). So I expect a continued good growth in Egypt from 2010.

John Crum

Management

Now from a gas standpoint. I had mentioned a number of big gas wells the last couple of conference calls we've had and we are starting to get to the point where we are getting gas back up with all those infrastructure improvements and so we are actively working on a Salon gas train five scenario and additional pipe lining that would be coming on in two years hence or three years from now so that's all in the works working with the government to try to develop those similar ideas. Ourselves as well as other operator they have stranded gas from the area. in the area. Right now we are able to manage our gas streams to maximize our liquid production. So we are rotating our gas wells to be able to maximize condensate productions in the new plants.

Leo Mariano

Management

I guess final question on the North Sea here. Obviously had really strong production in the third quarter. You mentioned hitting another sort of undiscovered pocket kind of adding some reserves up there. Just curious as to what you folks think the reserve upside is up there. I know you got some pretty detailed models out there?

Rod Eichler

Management

All right. We have a rather exhaustive development model for the 40s fields. It's almost a 5 billion barrel oil in place field which a couple bill barrels have been recovered and there's a significant amount of oil to be targeted to be recovered to ongoing operations which we've been very successful or ramping up our drilling program based on application for the seismic to target the unswept zones or pods that have not been swept by our long-time waterflood activity there. More and more we continue to fine-tune our work based on our field development model. I see a very robust inventory of drilling opportunities in (inaudible) field going forward. Even though we drilled a number of wells this year, I see a healthy drilling program going forward with a lot of new prospect ideas such as brim and sand prospect which was intentionally targeted in the field and (Inaudible) is a good place and will yield good opportunities.

Operator

Operator

Our final question comes from Joe Magner with Macquarie.

Joe Magner

Management

Good afternoon, thanks. I apologize if I missed the details earlier. Two questions. When do you think you will be in a position to provide preliminary volume growth in CapEx guidance for next year? And then, second, with growing contribution from numerous large multiyear projects, what should we think about in terms of longer term average production rates or sort of minimum rates going forward?

John Crum

Management

Well, we are going through our, truthfully we are going through our planning cycle right now. We should be in a position by the end of November to start talking a little bit about what we are seeing with respect to our growth for 2010. And on a long-term basis, you know, we historically have not given long-term guidance. I think what we've said at least at our Apache conference in Houston a year and a half ago that based on the opportunities that we have and the projects that we have depending on how much capital question throw at it we can grow at double digits for the next four years. So but that is all dependent on how much capital you spend.

Operator

Operator

And it appears we have no further questions at this time. I would like to turn it back to management for any additional or closing remarks.

Tom Chambers

President

I'd like to thank everybody for joining us today and I will be in my office if anybody has any further questions after the call. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

And that concludes today's conference. Thank you for your participation.