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Aqua Metals, Inc. (AQMS)

Q1 2020 Earnings Call· Thu, Apr 30, 2020

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Operator

Operator

Good day and welcome to the Aqua Metals First Quarter 2020 Results Conference Call. [Operator Instructions]. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Glen Akselrod, Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Glen Akselrod

Analyst

Thank you, operator. Welcome to Aqua Metals’ first quarter 2020 conference call. Earlier today Aqua Metals released financial results for the quarter ended March 31, 2020. The release is available on the Investor section of the company’s website at www.Aqua Metals.com. Joining us for today’s call from management is Steve Cotton, President and CEO as well as Judd Merrill, company’s Chief Financial Officer. During this call management will be making forward-looking statement. please refer to the company’s quarterly report on Form 10-Q filed today April 30 for the summary of the forward-looking statements and the risk, uncertainties and other factors could cause actual results to differ materially from those forward-looking statements. Aqua Metals cautions investors not to place undue reliance on any forward-looking statements, the company does not undertake and specifically disclaims any obligation to update or revise such statements to reflect new circumstances or unanticipated events as they occur, except as required by law. And with that said, I would like to turn the call over to Steve Cotton. CEO of Aqua Metals, Steve. Please go ahead.

Steve Cotton

Analyst

Thanks Glen. Good afternoon, everyone and welcome. Despite the constraints in Aqua Metals and all businesses in the state of COVID-19 global pandemic. I’m happy to report that all Aqua Metals’ employees are safe and we are operating our company utilizing collaborative technologies quite effectively. We like most businesses are dealing with unexpected constraints that began in late Q1 in regards to the physical aspects of our operation. Assuming the state of Nevada allows us to return to the Aqua refinery in May. The expected net impacted the slight delay in deployment of our first V1.25L electrolyzer. We expect to begin operating the first V1.25L electrolyzer within six weeks after we’re able to recent to the facilities albeit later than we originally targeted. Despite the devastating fire on November 29, COVID-19 and our current uncertain economic time, management has worked diligently to continue to implement our business plan in order to achieve future success for our shareholders. I would like to spend a couple of minutes to highlight a few of the specific foundational items Aqua Metals has already accomplished that will be the underpinnings for our go forward capitalized equipment and licensing strategy. First, $180 million have been invested to-date to commercial AquaRefining. We have already successfully demonstrated that our Aqua refinery brand 24 hours a day, seven days a week and with our electrolyzers running smoothly for a month at a time, which consistently produced 35,000 ultra clear and cleanly manufactured ingot. These certified ingots were shipped to our partner Clarios, the world’s largest battery manufacture who then made production runs with batteries with Aqua refined lead metal. Therefore we believe, that we will not need to build another demo plant and duplicate what is already been proven. In fact, if we have chosen to rebuilt the plan.…

Judd Merrill

Analyst

Thank you, Steve. As of March 31, 2020 cash and working capital balances were $6.4 million and $11.5 million respectively which includes $9.9 million insurance proceeds receivable, actual expected insurance cost we anticipated to be higher. On March 25, 2020 we entered into a memorandum of agreement with Veritex in regards to our loan and we have agreed on the allocation of insurance proceeds allocated to Veritex that we used to pay off all and outstanding under the loan, which is approximately $8.7 million as of the date of this report inclusive of approximately $500,000 prepayment penalty net of against $1 million CD collateral. As of March 31, 2020 the company had received a total of $10 million insurance payment as a result of the fire damage. $2.5 million was received in December 2019 and the remaining $7.5 million it was received in Q1, 2020. As I stated previously, we’ve recorded insurance receivable of $9.9 million in line with GAAP accounting regulation which limits the amount of insurance receivable we can recognize on our book. We believe that the replacement value of the equipment and the plant loss for damaged in the fire could be as much as $37 million and that’s excluding any business interruption cost recovery. In Q4, 2019 as a result of fire we wrote off approximately $22.4 million fixed assets that were damaged. No assets were written off in Q1 of 2020. Assets on our balance sheet as of March 31, 2020 that were not affected by the fire totaled approximately $38 million in book value including the battery breaker, the melting kettle, the kiln, filter presses, mixing, storage tanks, water recovery system and the building, infrastructure and the land. As of March 31, 2020 Veritex has received $2.7 million of insurance proceeds from our insurance…

Steve Cotton

Analyst

Thanks Judd. In conclusion, we believe that our accelerated shift to a capitalized equipment supply services and AquaRefining licensing model has put Aqua Metals in a position of strength during these uncertain times with a promising outcome. Based on the production levels of the Aqua Refinery pre-fire. We feel we have derisked the technology execution portion of the investment and while we execute on the V1.25 electrolyzers and our partnership licensee discussion. The opportunity for returns for Aqua Metals is significant as compared to our past years of capital heavy efforts which fortunately put us into our current position of strength. I’ll now turn it over to the operator to facilitate the Q&A session.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] the first question comes from Colin Rusch of Oppenheimer. Please go ahead.

Colin Rusch

Analyst

As you talking with these inbound license opportunities, are you looking at opportunities outside of the lead recycling market? You know that you certainly have another set of opportunities from different material seekers like go with the process. Can you give me a sense of whether that’s an option or not at this point with these potential customer?

Steve Cotton

Analyst

Sure, Colin. So we do receive inquiries for things that aren’t requiring lead acid batteries of feedstock. And a couple of them have been interesting and they’re mining related and taking a lead molecule based mining product and putting it through our process. But for the most part, all the prospective licensees and targets that we are going for is lead acid batteries of the feedstock.

Colin Rusch

Analyst

Great and then, when you look at the V1.25 deposit [ph], do you have all the components on hand to build those tools. Is there any supply chain risk or how can you finding all this get comfortable with mitigation efforts or continuity efforts with all the components that you need to prove out those components.

Steve Cotton

Analyst

Fortunately, Colin we have the materials on site and we - pre-COVID-19 lockdown were able to even get a fair bit of the infrastructure to support the first electrolyzer that we’ll be putting in within weeks after our return and don’t foresee any parts supply chain problems. There are some additional updates to those electrolyzers will make throughout the processes as we roll in another electrolyzer to through the rest of the - remainder of the year. and thus far, we haven’t see any supply chain issues with those items either and everything seems to be dependent more upon our getting back into the facility and running them.

Colin Rusch

Analyst

Okay, that’s it. And then finally, you’ve been working with some representation related to the insurance companies and appreciate the detail in terms of your progress at this point. Relative to your expectations, where are you and are you still engaged with that person to help us overtake this process and the insurance recovery.

Judd Merrill

Analyst

Colin, this is Judd. We’ve hired Greenspan [ph] and they’re still working with us and represent us, public conjectures and merits and assisting us in insurance collections and it’s a process and we always wanted to go as fast as possible. But I think it’s going as good as it could and can, we’ve made progress and we’ve delivered a lot of information to them and they have go through that and I know they’re looking at it and our teams [ph] have actually done a pretty good job of getting through a lot of that information that’s why we get progress payment. And so we continue down that path and it seems to be working and we’ll get additional payments and can give them additional details. So I think from our perspective, we’ll move along as expected.

Colin Rusch

Analyst

Perfect. Thanks a lot guys.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from David Kennon [ph] of KWM. Please go ahead.

Unidentified Participant

Analyst

Lot of my questions have been answered already, just through the press release and through Colin. But just so I understand correctly the outlook on additional cash proceed. So we’ve collected $10 million so far, there’s $27 million remaining under the insurance and that excludes business interruption, correct?

Judd Merrill

Analyst

So the way it worked out is, we’ve internally identified up to about $37 million in just property and equipment and the plant and clean up type expenses. We’ve submitted to insurance almost all of that plus $30 million of just detail. And so additional information that we have to get to them. And so that is what they’re going through right now and then, we submitted some preliminary estimates on the business interruption. We have a lot of detail, we can share you on that. But that’s kind of the next phase as well that we’ll submitting to them.

Unidentified Participant

Analyst

Okay, so about $27 million in insurance proceeds that we estimate we can collect, we don’t know what the BI is going to be and then there’s some asset disposals. Can you just take me through that when you say asset disposals? I’m assuming potentially the plant and property and then, is there any equipment there as well and if could give me a total number on what that is, just the ball park.

Steve Cotton

Analyst

Sure, Dave. Steve here so, on the asset disposition side. We don’t need for example a lot of the chiller systems that we had that were fortunately spared to right side of the building AquaRefining area and wasn’t affected by fire. But the standard three piece of equipment as an example and there’s other assets like that throughout the plant that we won’t need as we progress forward. Fortunately, we’ll be able to run the electrolyzer’s off of the significant supply of prepaid for pre-broken batteries and digested AquaRefining concentrates. So there’s other equipment that we won’t necessarily need anytime soon as we run the electrolyzers off of that concentrates and don’t have to run other parts of the plant and so that plant and equipment could be worth millions of additional dollars and some. And there’s the ultimately as we’ve transitioned towards the capital like model with the licensees running AquaRefining in production facilities. We won’t need the full size Aqua refinery after we prove out the V1.25 electrolyzers so that opens up opportunities later in the year and into next year for considering the appropriate asset disposition of land, plant and building or some parts of that depending upon how we ultimately decide to do that. So that’s basically when you add it all up, tens and millions of dollars of opportunity for us, to harvest that cash and put it back into the capitalized business on top of the insurance collections, on top of our cash position.

Unidentified Participant

Analyst

Okay and then I see you made quite a bit of progress in reducing the burn rate in Q1. Now with let’s say at the halfway point or exiting the year, Judd. What will be the burn rate on an annualized basis, if you will like a year end run rate once we get into the second half of the year, let’s say?

Judd Merrill

Analyst

Yes so the guidance that we’ve been giving is that we’re at currently at about $800,000 a month and we’re doing some things to try to get that down and we haven’t given any guidance on kind of where we’ll end the year. but we expect there are some things that are kind of contingent on helping that is, if there are some costs related to just keeping the plant kind of up and running and some other things that as we progress throughout the year and we decide kind of where we think fit into kind of the go forward strategy, we may actually help reduce some of the cost. And so we haven’t given any guidance on kind of where we think we’ll end up, but we’re doing some things to try to get that burn rate down and being proactive about it.

Unidentified Participant

Analyst

Okay, so back half of the year will we be at a lower burn rate than we were in the first half? Is that a safe assumption?

Judd Merrill

Analyst

To adding that Dave, and that’s what we’re expecting internally and what we’re working towards.

Unidentified Participant

Analyst

Okay, so right now we’re at a burn rate of about $9.5 million annualized. Is it possible to get that to about $6 million a year once we get in the back half of the year or is that a little bit too aggressive?

Judd Merrill

Analyst

Well I think it’s doable. But there’s more to do and obviously we want to try to get it as well as we can because we want to focus primarily just on the licensing opportunities and so again we don’t have any specific guidance other than the $800,000. But I think as we move into summertime and into the Q2 we’ll be able to give everybody updates.

Unidentified Participant

Analyst

Okay, I mean unfortunately part of the legacy or the history of the company has been - because we were in a very capital intensive business which obviously we’re turning the page on going to licensing and capital light. But there was this constant need to raise capital. Is it safe to say that going forward that our capital needs are going to be sufficient or do you think that sometime this year we’re going to need to go out and raise capital again?

Steve Cotton

Analyst

Dave, this is Steve. I’ll definitely say the latter. We have had a significant runway no matter how we model it between the insurance collections and the asset dispositions with the transition of the capital light. And ultimately overtime when we don’t have amount the big aircraft carrier at the plant we won’t need any longer, that will be a significant impact to reducing the burn because they’re just minimum cost associated without like electrical and gas and security and all those kinds of things. So we’ll see likely a reduction in burn rate with a significant step function reduction once we get to the first licensee and can operate by assembling modules at a smaller space with office space and assembly space. I’ll note that, we did assemble all 16 modules for ourselves. When we were still in Alameda, California and about 5,000 square foot area so it doesn’t take much space and so the future looks very positive in terms of the fixed overhead associated with facilities in the long run. But we do need the plant to continue the electrolyzer work to get the product into licensable form. But while we’re doing that, we still think we can reduce the burn as Judd was mentioning.

Unidentified Participant

Analyst

Okay, great. And then as far as the licensing I’m sorry to monopolize here, but there was a lot of information. I was kind of surprised that there is a pipeline if you will that caught me off guard which is great. but could you take me through what the pipeline looks like, what kind of interest are you getting for what kind of entities at this point, any color on how many and then also you gave a breakdown earlier in the call about the different components of this licensing strategy that will generate revenue. For example equipment and I missed part of it, I was multi-tasking so my apologies, but if you can just go through there’s an equipment component what would be the margins there. I’m assuming there are some professional services or engineering that would generate revenue and then, and then also based on the size of the plant. You talked about a small plant, a large plant what the potential is for royalties. So if you can just go through that again. I’d appreciate that.

Steve Cotton

Analyst

Sure, so in terms of the sales funnel and engagement that we have with prospective licensees and partners that will help us to achieve licensees through those partnerships has grown and as nature and we’ve seen the sales funnel growth from our own efforts prior to leading it with the buyer event, where we were already engaged with several players across the globe for ranging from Asia Pacific market to North America. Of course Clarios and also some European opportunities and South American opportunities and we’re talking to the various licensees about projects ranging from AQUAFIT which is deploying AquaRefining at their existing facility to either expand the production or capacitize [ph] the production or to the improve the mission standards and the quality of the lead. We’ve talked to couple that are doing greenfield builds of battery recycling facilities in the Asia Pacific region that would design AquaRefining right into a net new build which is very interesting. We talked to potential licensee about processing the dust that comes out of the bag houses or the flu systems to build bag houses that is tens of tons per day and a significant size plant that is another application for AquaRefining to an existing facility. So there is multiple applications on the table as I mentioned earlier are mining ones. So there’s a lot out there and we’ve seen a significant tick up since we’ve announced our acceleration towards the licensing strategy that we’ve seen a lot of inbound inquiries in addition to the engagement feed we already have. And then to answer your other question on the licensing just to boil it down. It starts with a - the first revenue starts with the engineering package and that package is, the design services for the customer to accept the…

Unidentified Participant

Analyst

Yes, I mean could you really think I’m unclear on and I don’t know, if this is even - if you could even disclose this, but let’s say you were deploying modules let’s say to start two modules at a place, at a facility. What do you think that equipment would sell for and what kind of gross profit would you get?

Steve Cotton

Analyst

It’s all really custom and dependent upon each customer facility. So I’m little bit reticent to state an actual number other than any significant deployment is going to get into the seven figures in terms of value of the equipment and then as I mentioned earlier on the call. There’s facilities that - our facility was 15,000 tons a year of Aqua refined lead capacity which is very modest. I call it a small size facility. There’s larger ones that could go up to 100,000 tons which should be well deep into the seven figures in equipment and then there might be some that want to try a smaller set up at least initially or particular specific application and those might be a smaller number and in a single-digit millions. But it’s going to be significant revenue no matter how we slice it and it’s dependent upon the size of the client.

Unidentified Participant

Analyst

Okay, great. Good luck guys.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Charles Bellows of White Pine Capital. Please go ahead. Mr. Bellows your line is open, please go ahead with your question.

Unidentified Participant

Analyst

Sorry I was on mute, can you hear me?

Operator

Operator

Please go ahead, yes sir.

Unidentified Participant

Analyst

Okay, good. Steve, let’s go to the pipeline again and I’m trying to get things squared away. You said that how many modules you need up and running and for how long before you’re going to get an indication from a licensee that they’re willing to go?

Steve Cotton

Analyst

The simultaneous effort of us getting the AquaRefining electrolyzers into a licensed productized version. A lot of that work was already accomplished that we are about to turn all 16 of them with those upgrades before the fire happened and we’re making of couple of other improvements and we feel it’s important to, this summer run those and improve them out and get some data by fall. So we can continue the conversation with realistic numbers around throughput and all those things from the updated units and cost factors because we’re doing a significant cost reduction to improve that value proposition on a CapEx side. So ultimately.

Unidentified Participant

Analyst

[Indiscernible].

Steve Cotton

Analyst

Go ahead.

Unidentified Participant

Analyst

So you’re saying that it will be fall, you’re planning to have two up and running, but it will be into or through the third quarter before you have the base data that you need to really go to the license people.

Steve Cotton

Analyst

Well but in meantime we’re talking to the licensees about the application and the size of the application and what it would look like to put the AquaRefining in, talking about conversion cost, getting in the baseline numbers that we already have from operating our modules and production that are very compelling to begin with. And then sharing with them, hey the final version of the product is going to have these additional enhancements. So they’re likely going to want to see those numbers before they pull the trigger on the equipment supply side. But we can certainly get into the engineering package discussion before the end of the year as we’re talking and engaging with these various clients. It’s just the final version of the product is going to have some tweaks that which are favorable for everybody.

Unidentified Participant

Analyst

Well, but you got to get them to say yes. The other question I had in here is that Clarios [indiscernible] it was still JCI and all part of that. They had an exclusive with you if they took it, is that now gone?

Steve Cotton

Analyst

Yes, so Clarios has the first mover advantage through June, 2021 by contract. So we’re still of course talking to Clarios regularly in fact [indiscernible] observation and then still a significant shareholder in the company and are involved with a lot of things that we work on, so they may still be the first mover. But we’re keeping our options open for whoever else is out there in the marketplace and making sure that we’re responding to the inquires because they’re coming in and then it would be bad form to not engage with credible inquires that are coming in. and it will up to Aqua Metals ultimately to decide. Now by the very sake of the calendar by getting the modules to their final shippable condition as we round the corner into 2021. It’s not that much time between then and June of 2021 for us to make the ultimate decision as to the best path forward with the first licensee site and that maybe Clarios, it may be different licensee. It may be one of Clarios partners because if you look through the contract that we filed when we agreed with Clarios on the joint development agreement. It includes North America, China and Europe and include themselves as well as their top two supplier partners that are lead recyclers that they could introduce us to, which they’ve been doing and we’ve engaged and talked to. So it will determine ultimately which one is the best fit and we’ll make the right decision for Aqua Metals and obviously the shareholders.

Unidentified Participant

Analyst

So as I - if I’m hearing you correctly, the way it look is, you will not have something really announceable [ph] until maybe the fourth quarter or into the first part of 2020 on a licensee who has said go.

Steve Cotton

Analyst

In terms of licensee that signed up and shipping equipment, it will take some months for us to get there. You’re correct in that. Now there’s other types of business development, partnerships, things like that. They were working on that are quite interesting that aren’t like these, but their partnership that would help facilitate getting us into the market with licensee and have a synergistic partnership value that we’re working on as well. So there’s that side of it and then the actual physical deployment of the equipment I would expect it you would see that not happen until 2021.

Unidentified Participant

Analyst

Okay. I just maybe you can give me an answer. Why Clarios have seen the other the whole system working, they bought the lead. They had - I theoretically identified a site why aren’t they moving at all?

Steve Cotton

Analyst

Clarios said no and all that, so we continue to talk with them and share with them what it is they’re doing with these updated versions, the electrolyzers. The key part of our contract with Clarios was that there were metrics, performance metrics that were specific to the old plant which was, we build out the Aqua refinery to the full 16 modules and then capital having extended to the 32 and we needed to get the 16 modules for them to feel comfortable putting it into a very large facility as a finished product. We’re still talking with them about, we’ve accomplished pretty much all the other things like running a 24x7 like generating 2.4 to 2.5 times or led per day per module on a consistent basis, with a consistent quality that they bought all of and all those things. And so those discussions continue, but it’s either a rework of those joint development agreement metrics with them or another licensee will go in first off which might be one of their partners, that they will be more comfortable having go first because it’s more of a appropriate site. With the best possible offer or they would work with us on another first mover and in that scenario they may agree to go to a second mover position. It all depends upon how negotiations play out, that’s about the most I can say at this point.

Unidentified Participant

Analyst

Okay, thank you. I appreciate it.

Steve Cotton

Analyst

Absolutely, good question.

Operator

Operator

This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Steve Cotton, Chief Executive Officer for any closing remarks.

Steve Cotton

Analyst

Okay, well thank you operator. Thanks everybody for your time today and we do appreciate the continued support from our shareholders as well as our partners as we work towards these go forward plans. We will continue to update everybody in the coming weeks and months as we deploy and operate our go-to-market Version1.25 electrolyzers. We’re really looking forward to getting back into the plant and getting that going. And in the meantime, we’ll also keep you up-to-date as we harvest cash and insurance proceed and as appropriate the timely asset disposition and will report on our continued commercial progress with our existing and our developing partners. Thanks everybody and have a great day and stay safe.

Operator

Operator

The conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today’s presentation. You may now disconnect.