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ArcBest Corporation (ARCB)

Q3 2014 Earnings Call· Mon, Nov 3, 2014

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Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing-by and welcome to the ArcBest Corporation Third Quarter 2014 Earnings Conference Call. During the presentation, all participants will be in a listen-only mode. Afterwards, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. (Operator Instructions) As a reminder, this conference is being recorded today, Monday, November 3, 2014. I would now like to turn the conference over to David Humphrey, VP of Investor Relations, ArcBest Corporation. Please, go ahead.

David Humphrey

Management

Welcome to the ArcBest Corporation Third Quarter 2014 Earnings Conference Call. We'll have a short discussion of third quarter results, and then we'll open up for question-and-answer period. Our presentation this morning will be done by Ms. Judy R. McReynolds, President and Chief Executive Officer of ArcBest Corporation, and Mr. Michael E. Newcity, Senior Vice President, Chief Financial Officer and Chief Information Officer of ArcBest Corporation. We thank you for joining us today. In order to help you better understand ArcBest Corporation and its results, some forward-looking statements could be made during this call. As we all know, forward-looking statements, by their very nature, are subject to uncertainties and risks. For a more complete discussion of factors that could affect the Company's future results, please refer to the forward-looking statements section of the Company's earnings press release and the Company's most recent SEC public filings. We will now begin with Mr. Newcity.

Michael Newcity

Management

Thank you for joining us this morning. This quarter's results once again reflect continuing progress in our efforts to serve customers across the supply chain. During the typically busy third quarter, we saw increased business levels at ABF Freight and continued strong revenue growth in our emerging businesses. Those subsidiaries contributed 28% of total revenue during the quarter up from 27% last quarter. Here are some details. ArcBest's third quarter 2014 revenue was 711.3 million compared to 623.4 million last year, an increase of 14%. Third quarter 2014 net income was $0.72 per share compared to net income of $0.52 per share last year. Excluding an adjustment for a pension settlement charge of $0.02 per share related to our non-union defined benefit pension plan, third quarter net income was 20.1 million or $0.74 per share. We expect to incur pension settlement accounting charges in the fourth quarter as well. As a reminder, these are associated with distributions from frozen benefit plans, which result in settlement accounting charges when the lump sum distributions of the plan exceed the plan's annual interest cost. We anticipate fourth quarter charges approximating 2 million on a pre-tax basis. The amount and timing of these charges depend primarily on lump sum distributions from the plan. These charges are non-cash and are the result of accounting rules requiring the write-off of actuarial losses. This morning's reported results were also affected by the two-class method used for calculating earnings per share, which required the allocation of a portion of dividends and net income to unvested restricted shares in determining per common share amounts. For the third quarter, this equaled $0.03 per share. This could occur in future periods depending on our financial results. We ended the third quarter with unrestricted cash and short-term investments of 203 million combined…

Judy McReynolds

Management

Thank you, Michael and good morning everyone. We continue to work toward managing resources effectively and improving productivity at ABF Freight amid strong business growth, while making it easier for customers who want multiple services from us to have access to a single point of contact. I am particularly gratified by the strong results at our emerging businesses and the solid EBITDA contributions they continue to make. After two full years as an ArcBest company, Panther continues to expand in the markets it serves, thanks to its reputation as one of the top premium logistics providers. Our other emerging businesses are benefiting from the investments that we have made to support their growth. During the traditionally busy third quarter, the strong freight environment impacted industry capacity contributing to higher revenues and improved profitability at ABF Freight. The LTL segment of the transportation industry has benefited from additional shipments because of the service challenges in the Intermodal segment and driver shortages that have limited capacity in the Truckload segment. When comparing back to last year’s same quarter, this added business at ABF Freight combined with a lower union cost structure versus third quarter of 2013 and a positive pricing environment contributed to margin improvement. During a period of strong growth like ABG Freight has recently seen, more emphasis is placed on having the resources necessary to maintain customer service levels and continuing to offer the individualized transportation solutions for which ABF Freight is known. ABF Freight’s network is near capacity and in addition to the new employees we’ve hired throughout the year we’ve utilized more available capacity sources. These additional costs are primarily reflected in the increases reported in rents and purchase transportation line item of our income statement. Though these increased expenses allowed us to fulfill important service commitments to…

David Humphrey

Management

Okay, Melanin I think we’re ready to do some questions.

Question

Management

and:

Operator

Operator

Thank you very much. (Operator Instructions) And our first question comes from the line of Bill Greene. Please go ahead.

Bill Greene

Analyst

I wanted to ask a little bit more in pricing, Judy you mentioned sort of I think you said 60% or so will have new pricing next year, how are customers responding to the GRI because these -- we’ve now gotten quite a few in less than 12 months back-to-back. So we’re starting to get to numbers that I wonder is this going to cause customers to start to say like well I’ve got to find different solutions here. How are they reacting? Morgan Stanley: I wanted to ask a little bit more in pricing, Judy you mentioned sort of I think you said 60% or so will have new pricing next year, how are customers responding to the GRI because these -- we’ve now gotten quite a few in less than 12 months back-to-back. So we’re starting to get to numbers that I wonder is this going to cause customers to start to say like well I’ve got to find different solutions here. How are they reacting?

Judy McReynolds

Management

We really just implemented the latest GRI today. So we don’t really have any new news on that other than just the fact that it’s been announced and it’s being implemented. If you go back to the March GRI, we’ve seen good results there consistent with our historical results of retention in that area.

Bill Greene

Analyst

Given the pricing dynamics the new labor contract, the network realignment all the stuff, do you feel like ArcBest has a good chance in the LTL division of getting back to the historical peaks you have seen in margins or do you have more work you think you need to do? Morgan Stanley: Given the pricing dynamics the new labor contract, the network realignment all the stuff, do you feel like ArcBest has a good chance in the LTL division of getting back to the historical peaks you have seen in margins or do you have more work you think you need to do?

Judy McReynolds

Management

Well, I think the answer is yes to both. I think we do have the potential to get back, closer to historical margins but we do have a lot more work to do as evidenced by our commentary on the productivity issues that we continue to face as a company.

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from the line of Brad Delco. Please go ahead.

Brad Delco

Analyst

Michael just wanted to touch on the commentary around normal sequential trends from third quarter to fourth quarter. You said typically we’re up about 390 basis points. I mean there has been a lot of changes in the business with the network re-org, with the contract and then now with the GRI. I mean is that essentially kind of what you’re guiding to or should we be thinking about the trends could be a little bit different this year because of some of these other items that are going on including as well the improvement in productivity with the dock workforce? Stephens: Michael just wanted to touch on the commentary around normal sequential trends from third quarter to fourth quarter. You said typically we’re up about 390 basis points. I mean there has been a lot of changes in the business with the network re-org, with the contract and then now with the GRI. I mean is that essentially kind of what you’re guiding to or should we be thinking about the trends could be a little bit different this year because of some of these other items that are going on including as well the improvement in productivity with the dock workforce?

Michael Newcity

Management

Well, in terms of the first few things you mentioned in terms of the network and the contract, now those are actually in the third quarter and so that’s kind of an apples-to-apples comparison when you think about that sequential comparison. I think one thing I do note -- I can point you back to another period in 2010 where we actually had a fall GRI then that was in October 1, 2010 it was about 5.9% GRI. It might have actually touched a little bit more of the business then, the amount of business that our GRI touches has actually been decreasing over a period of time. And even with that GRI being in the full quarter they was still about 120 basis point increase in the OR and this GRI is going to be in the last two months of the quarter and actually it’s going to be, if you look at the kind of the monthly business levels and where to rank those actually in the quarter it’s going to be kind of in the weakest and then in the strongest month of the quarter, October is generally your middle month. So it’s still going to have an impact in terms of the business levels on the OR.

Judy McReynolds

Management

And I think Brad when you -- one of the things that we are pursuing is improvements in the productivity area. And we are starting to see some good signs there but we still have a long way to go. And so we are in the situation where we are dealing with growth from existing accounts to a large extent that have, I mean really it's the greatest growth sequentially in the last 15 years. And so what's happening to us to some extent is we are trying two services business, these are accounts that have been good for us. They have expanded their use of ABF perhaps because their business is growing. We are giving good service to them, but we are having to it with more expensive and more cost structure, in other words we are having to use more rented equipment, cartage agents, that sort of thing to make sure that we are meeting the service requirements for that business and the rail disruption that we have experienced has also been a factor in that as well. So we are trying to improve those things, but we know it's important to give customer service to those customers that do business with us over longer periods of years. And so we have all of that going on as well. So we do expect improvements in those things but we don't know that that would be dramatic in the fourth quarter relative to the third quarter because we still have so much of that to work through.

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from the line of Chris Wetherbee. Go ahead.

Chris Wetherbee

Analyst

So a question about sort of the network capacity, Judy I think you mentioned that you're kind of approaching network capacity. And as you think about sort of the mix of the volume relative to the pricing, I know there is maybe some mix effects that are shielding the revenue per hundredweight but as we look out into the first quarter probably more importantly into 2015, how should we think about your approach to the market in the LTL division. Did you start to pullback a little bit on what seems like there is volume growth out there you could pull back a bit on that and focus a bit more on pricing I just want to kind of understand the commentary around the capacity of the network a little better? Bank of America Merrill Lynch: So a question about sort of the network capacity, Judy I think you mentioned that you're kind of approaching network capacity. And as you think about sort of the mix of the volume relative to the pricing, I know there is maybe some mix effects that are shielding the revenue per hundredweight but as we look out into the first quarter probably more importantly into 2015, how should we think about your approach to the market in the LTL division. Did you start to pullback a little bit on what seems like there is volume growth out there you could pull back a bit on that and focus a bit more on pricing I just want to kind of understand the commentary around the capacity of the network a little better?

Judy McReynolds

Management

Well I think what we I just described as our situation is relevant here. A lot of the growth that we've seen is from existing accounts. So these are accounts that we've done business with historically that have added business to our network. And so it’s a balance of effectively serving those customers. We are doing a lot to try to address the ways that we are providing service to the customers, in other words we are reducing our use of cartage, we are returning some rented equipment and we don't anticipate those to see much better rail service but we are still going to be using probably a healthy level of purchase transportation which right now is expensive. So we've got to manage that to the best of our ability while improving the effectiveness of our newest dock workers. But also we've got to adequately get paid for that business. And so we are as I mentioned in my commentary, we've got the GRI, second GRI this year, that's going in place. We feel that that's going to address your comment to some extent, but also it's appropriate in the marketplace given the tightness of the industry capacity. And then also we have an opportunity because of our contract renewals in the fourth quarter to really touch another 25% of that business. Some times that all get's finalized by year-end, some of it floats over into early next year and then the remaining business we will be addressing as we move into early 2015. And so if this is a process, but the primary objective here is to make sure that we have customers that are good for us, that we are serving effectively through our cost structure and that we are getting paid what we should be paid by those customers for the options that we deliver to them, whether it be in our asset based network or whether it be one of the services that we have on the non-asset side.

Chris Wetherbee

Analyst

I guess my follow-up would just be sort of thinking about some of the network adjustments you've been doing post getting the last labor agreement done, do you feel like there is more progress to be done there or just the state of the business and sort of the competitive dynamic mean that you kind of hold off on doing anything further from here, I guess I just want to get a rough sense how you think about terminals and infrastructure, where you stand on that now? Bank of America Merrill Lynch: I guess my follow-up would just be sort of thinking about some of the network adjustments you've been doing post getting the last labor agreement done, do you feel like there is more progress to be done there or just the state of the business and sort of the competitive dynamic mean that you kind of hold off on doing anything further from here, I guess I just want to get a rough sense how you think about terminals and infrastructure, where you stand on that now?

Judy McReynolds

Management

Well it's a constant process. We are not really in a position to announce any changes at this point but that doesn't mean that those evaluations are not going on. They are constantly going on and what we are doing is we are trying to make sure that the ABF Freight network is most effective for the customers that we serve. And so there is more to come on that, but we are in a position right now where we are still in the evaluation process and so we don't have anything, any new news to announce as far as that network goes, other than to say that we’re constantly looking at it.

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from the line of Todd Fowler, please go ahead.

Todd Fowler

Analyst

I just wanted to follow-up I guess to start with the October trends and the time it sounds like it was pretty strong, up 11%, revenue per hundredweight was flat I guess. First if you could talk about what was going on in the revenue per hundredweight side? And can you also talk about how the network responded to that sort of tonnage growth here in October. Was there anything, wasn’t there -- you were able to hand on sort of increase that you saw during the month? KeyBanc Capital Markets: I just wanted to follow-up I guess to start with the October trends and the time it sounds like it was pretty strong, up 11%, revenue per hundredweight was flat I guess. First if you could talk about what was going on in the revenue per hundredweight side? And can you also talk about how the network responded to that sort of tonnage growth here in October. Was there anything, wasn’t there -- you were able to hand on sort of increase that you saw during the month?

Judy McReynolds

Management

Well with respect to the revenue per hundredweight increase, that has been affected by the business mix if you will associated with our business. I mean so you can’t if you were to strip out that affect you would see an increase that was in this low single-digit range there. So the business mix change is an important factor when you look at October. As far as our ability to handle that level of business I mean we’re continuing to see both progress, but also issues with our productivity. I mean we can look at the people that we hired in the dock area in July for instance, and we can see a pretty dramatic improvement in their productivity levels. We can see that they’ve improved somewhere, between 35% to 40%, but if you look at some of the newer people that we hired say in September, you’re going to have those issue associated with them. One thing that we have observed is that our hiring has reduced overtime. So the last few months we’re seeing fewer and fewer new people which should allow those more experienced people to start to really affect those expense trends positively. But we have all of that going on in the month of October. So to say that we’ve effectively handled that business level the answer to that is, we would much rather see some greater improvement to really answer that question, yes.

Todd Fowler

Analyst

And if I have got time for one more, I was going to ask on Panther and Judy you had some comments about the fourth quarter comp and I know that we’ve talked a little bit about the sustainability of that business. How do you think about Panther’s growth going into ’15? And also what happens with the operating margins? I mean you’re seeing good top-line growth and I now that you’ve got the purchase price amortization going through. But should at some point that be a low 90 or business or do we think about the profitability level? KeyBanc Capital Markets: And if I have got time for one more, I was going to ask on Panther and Judy you had some comments about the fourth quarter comp and I know that we’ve talked a little bit about the sustainability of that business. How do you think about Panther’s growth going into ’15? And also what happens with the operating margins? I mean you’re seeing good top-line growth and I now that you’ve got the purchase price amortization going through. But should at some point that be a low 90 or business or do we think about the profitability level?

Judy McReynolds

Management

Well I think if you were to factor out the depreciation and amortization levels that they have there, you would see an improvement of in the margins today, I mean that’s why we have actually really report the EBITDA numbers. I think that gives you a clearer picture of what Panther’s business is. It really depends Todd on the business environment that we see in 2015. There are a lot of great things going on at Panther. But we in order to really improve dramatically for instance off of the 2014 numbers that were so dramatically improved, we’re going to have to see a really healthy business environment for them. I think that some of the drivers of their business, the auto sector and the government sector and manufacturing. Those are areas that we need to see some strength in to see the levels of improvement in 2015 that we saw in 2014. But as you know Todd from being there, I think Todd’s visited there fairly recently you can appreciate the level of engagement in that team and the new growth that they’ve experienced through new accounts. And so it’s an exciting story.

Michael Newcity

Management

Todd just a reminder on that D&A on Panther on the purchase price accounting it’s about 2.2 million-2.3 million a quarter.

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from the line of David Ross. Go ahead.

David Ross

Analyst

I wanted to talk about the savings from the contract. A few quarters ago the talk was about 55 million to 65 million annual savings just from the new labor deal which was about 15 million a quarter. Where are you guys on that in terms of tracking as expected and is that supposed to ramp-up more in the future or what’s going on there? Stifel, Nicolaus: I wanted to talk about the savings from the contract. A few quarters ago the talk was about 55 million to 65 million annual savings just from the new labor deal which was about 15 million a quarter. Where are you guys on that in terms of tracking as expected and is that supposed to ramp-up more in the future or what’s going on there?

Judy McReynolds

Management

Really we disclosed contract savings of 55 million to 65 million and the initial comment was that that would be realized over about a 24 month period from the original implementation. So by the end of 2015 we’re on-track to have that run rate if you will of contract savings. And so it’s as we thought it would be in terms of those dollars.

David Ross

Analyst

Because in 3Q there is only a $7.5 million improvement in operating income, that’s half of what was expected just from the labor deal and there is better volumes and pricing on top of that. So I was just trying to get a sense for how much that improvement was from the labor deal versus growth in volume and pricing? Stifel, Nicolaus: Because in 3Q there is only a $7.5 million improvement in operating income, that’s half of what was expected just from the labor deal and there is better volumes and pricing on top of that. So I was just trying to get a sense for how much that improvement was from the labor deal versus growth in volume and pricing?

Judy McReynolds

Management

Well the thing that you did mention which we’ve highlighted is our productivity issues in the market environment that we’re doing business in. Again when you look at the situation that we faced and I think others faced in our industry in the third quarter is that in order to continue to give good customer service because of some of the issues that we’ve seen in terms of rail being an available option for us. And just in addressing the growth over a short-term basis from existing accounts we’ve had to service that business with more expensive methods. And so we have that issue to work through. We’ve highlighted it. And we continue to see issues on the productivity side, but we are seeing improvement with the employees that have been with us for several months now.

David Ross

Analyst

So would it be fair to say that the productivity issues might have been 300 basis point or more headwinds in the quarter? Stifel, Nicolaus: So would it be fair to say that the productivity issues might have been 300 basis point or more headwinds in the quarter?

Judy McReynolds

Management

Well, we’re not going to give guidance on that, all the specifics on that. There is a lot of puts and takes in that figure. But it was definitely significant.

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from the line of Andrew Gordon. Go ahead.

Andrew Gordon

Analyst

Andrew Gordon on for Scott Group, Judy just one quick follow-up on the pricing front, regarding the mix change 3Q saw length of haul coming up and the release said that there were fewer truckload related shipments. So just could you give any more clarification on why October has seen the tonnage accelerate while but still have the negative pricing mix?

Wolfe Research

Analyst

Andrew Gordon on for Scott Group, Judy just one quick follow-up on the pricing front, regarding the mix change 3Q saw length of haul coming up and the release said that there were fewer truckload related shipments. So just could you give any more clarification on why October has seen the tonnage accelerate while but still have the negative pricing mix?

Judy McReynolds

Management

Well it’s not negative I think it’s basically flat. And again its growth with existing accounts and with business that has lower revenue per hundredweight that is a factor in that mix of things. And so if you were to take out the business mix issues you would see low single-digit pricing increases for October.

Andrew Gordon

Analyst

One other pricing related question on the GRI, I think you said that the GRI from March has been sticking pretty well. And I am just curious with the additional GRI in 4Q we should be expecting accumulative increase of both of those GRIs sticking with customers?

Wolfe Research

Analyst

One other pricing related question on the GRI, I think you said that the GRI from March has been sticking pretty well. And I am just curious with the additional GRI in 4Q we should be expecting accumulative increase of both of those GRIs sticking with customers?

Judy McReynolds

Management

Well, one thing to remember that is always true is, it’s not something that I think any of us want in our industry but it happens. Once a GRI is put in place I mean it begins to deteriorate the very next month. And so historically in our industry at least for our Company specifically I guess is as we see a quarter point decline in those increases as you move through so it ends up being discounting that occurs once you put in a general rate increase and that’s been true in the history of our general rate increases as we have put them in place over the years. And I don’t think that we’re any different as a company than perhaps those that we compete with out there. And so when you say added to it, you have to recognize that there is always to say that the retention is good we’re comparing it back to the past history where this discounting that I mentioned is occurring. And so, if you think about it you can’t just add the two together and apply that because of that discounting that occurs kind of normally in the process.

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from the line of Ken Hoexter. Please go ahead.

Ken Hoexter

Analyst

Judy-Michael if we can kind of just jump into the kind of mix shifts there a little bit more, the declines on the truckload, increased on the LTL. Is that more profitable freight and can you maybe delve into that? And is that what’s causing the shipments to be up 10% versus your tonnage 6% and is that trends that we should see continue just because we haven’t seen that kind of switch between I guess shipments in tonnage in maybe five or six years? Bank of America Merrill Lynch: Judy-Michael if we can kind of just jump into the kind of mix shifts there a little bit more, the declines on the truckload, increased on the LTL. Is that more profitable freight and can you maybe delve into that? And is that what’s causing the shipments to be up 10% versus your tonnage 6% and is that trends that we should see continue just because we haven’t seen that kind of switch between I guess shipments in tonnage in maybe five or six years?

Judy McReynolds

Management

Well, I think what we’re attempting to do and I think Michael discussed it in his prepared comments was we have increased the price on our truckload rated shipments that are more spot, so that we could better service LTL customers. And so that’s what you’re seeing there. So when we say is that normal, well it’s not abnormal in this kind of business environment but it is noteworthy.

Michael Newcity

Management

And Ken some of that goes along with the fact that the resources you dedicate to those spot shipments where we’re leading with this growth that we’re seeing on the LTL side so, that’s part of why we did that and why we’ve been doing that.

Ken Hoexter

Analyst

And is that because you are now getting these against smaller shipments is that more profitable? I just want to understand the mix that you were just using it to fill up your network before and now do you want to sign some of that off even with the increased prices? I just want to understand the differential and the focus. Bank of America Merrill Lynch: And is that because you are now getting these against smaller shipments is that more profitable? I just want to understand the mix that you were just using it to fill up your network before and now do you want to sign some of that off even with the increased prices? I just want to understand the differential and the focus.

Michael Newcity

Management

Ken I think that when you think, I mean every especially in the spot market on that volume business that’s something you want to adjust as you’re moving throughout the year it’s more of an adjustment that you’re making to improve the overall profitability of the business. And so versus where you have an account that’s on a deferred and contract basis and that’s a renewal every year, the volume is something that we can kind of pull back and/or pull forward. And so, it’s always a decision about individual account profitability and then how that impacts the overall company. And that’s what drives those decisions.

Ken Hoexter

Analyst

And then just one last question, it is just the negative productivity issues duty, is that subsiding is that what you were getting at with the decrease I just want to understand what you’re expecting on the fourth quarter because of your I guess similar sequential margin target expectation? Bank of America Merrill Lynch: And then just one last question, it is just the negative productivity issues duty, is that subsiding is that what you were getting at with the decrease I just want to understand what you’re expecting on the fourth quarter because of your I guess similar sequential margin target expectation?

Judy McReynolds

Management

Well, we’re not expecting it to go away as an issue. We’ve seen some improvement and I think I’ve mentioned earlier if you look at for instance the employees that we hired between March and July, we’re seeing a 35% to 40% improvement in their productivity, but we continue to hire people through the summer and so we’ve got those people that are going to be improving along that same path but that they have issues as they come along. I mean remember that what we’re seeing is the greatest sequential growth that we’ve seen as a company in 15 years and so that’s what we’re doing as addressing that growth with this hiring, but you have to understand that as you bring people on, it takes a period of time in order to get them fully at the productivity levels of your more experienced people.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from the line of Jason Seidl. Go ahead.

Jason Seidl

Analyst

A quick question here, I guess it goes back a little bit to your productivity issues, I guess you’re expecting at least to update in 2015, but how should we expect the impact of flow through to P&L? Should we start to see that in salaries and wages and benefits? Should we start to see that trend down a little bit in some of you purchase transportation?

Cowen and Company

Analyst

A quick question here, I guess it goes back a little bit to your productivity issues, I guess you’re expecting at least to update in 2015, but how should we expect the impact of flow through to P&L? Should we start to see that in salaries and wages and benefits? Should we start to see that trend down a little bit in some of you purchase transportation?

Judy McReynolds

Management

Well you would see better improvement in the areas that rents and purchase transportation line that includes where we have had to use cartage and rented equipment in order to facilitate customer service during this period of really tight industry capacity. And we’ve also used that because we have these newer employees that we’re bringing on that are less productive, so when we start to see the productivity of those employees improve we’re going to see salaries, wages and benefits that line improve.

Jason Seidl

Analyst

And Judy also when we’re looking at that from a rail usage perspective, I mean obviously we’ve had some issues on the rail service side and I am assuming you had to move some of that typical rail freight onto the road, should we also see that maybe improve in back of the year as expectations for rail service in ’15 are looking I guess a little bit brighter with crossed fingers?

Cowen and Company

Analyst

And Judy also when we’re looking at that from a rail usage perspective, I mean obviously we’ve had some issues on the rail service side and I am assuming you had to move some of that typical rail freight onto the road, should we also see that maybe improve in back of the year as expectations for rail service in ’15 are looking I guess a little bit brighter with crossed fingers?

Judy McReynolds

Management

So I think all that to say -- I would say yes to that as you framed it, we don’t know that. But I think your question maybe would we prefer to use rail service I mean in some of the areas where we’ve had to move things over the road and the answer to that is yes. And so as soon as we’re able to shift it back in particularly in some areas in the Northwest we would.

Jason Seidl

Analyst

My quick follow-up here, Michael, you talked a little bit about the revenue per hundredweight being flat on a year-over-year basis here in October, but that’s just an October I am assuming you’re not expecting it to remain flat all things being equal to GRI coming in here first thing in November?

Cowen and Company

Analyst

My quick follow-up here, Michael, you talked a little bit about the revenue per hundredweight being flat on a year-over-year basis here in October, but that’s just an October I am assuming you’re not expecting it to remain flat all things being equal to GRI coming in here first thing in November?

Michael Newcity

Management

That’s a very good expectation especially considering the GRI and what Judy mentioned about touching 60% of the account base by the end of the year?

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from the line of Matt Brooklier. Please go ahead.

Matthew Brooklier

Analyst

I wanted to ask a question on rents and purchase transportation, I know there has been a couple but I am just trying to get a sense for how much of that increase in the quarter was related to you guys running the network a little bit differently how much of it was attributable to maybe some of the productivity issues that you had unlike they are getting better? And then how much was a direct result of rail service level issues and having to shift some of the freight off the rails and moving it more expensively via truck? Longbow Research: I wanted to ask a question on rents and purchase transportation, I know there has been a couple but I am just trying to get a sense for how much of that increase in the quarter was related to you guys running the network a little bit differently how much of it was attributable to maybe some of the productivity issues that you had unlike they are getting better? And then how much was a direct result of rail service level issues and having to shift some of the freight off the rails and moving it more expensively via truck?

Judy McReynolds

Management

Well I’ll say this, we have used purchase transportation in accordance with what’s allowed for the contract, in the quarter we are pleased that we have partners there that are able to do that work with us because we feel like it’s helped us with customer service. But when you try to parse through all of the issues that you just mentioned, which you did a good job of summarizing what those issues are. It’d be very difficult to say on a go forward basis what we expect that to be because one of the reasons why we wanted that option with our union labor contract was so that we could shift things around during these kinds of times where you have capacity sources that are limited. And so I think a couple of data points I’ll give you; we’ve returned about 1,000 trailers that we’ve rented and that was about as of the end of October that return occurred. And that was occurring kind of as we went throughout the third quarter. Also our cartage shipments have declined by about 56% and so we’re making efforts to reduce those costs that could be more effectively served with the equipments that we already have and the people that we already have as they become more productive.

Matthew Brooklier

Analyst

That’s actually very helpful that two data points. And then as we look from third to fourth quarter historically is your use of rail line haul? Is it about the same in the third quarter, do you guys use rail more or is it less? Longbow Research: That’s actually very helpful that two data points. And then as we look from third to fourth quarter historically is your use of rail line haul? Is it about the same in the third quarter, do you guys use rail more or is it less?

Judy McReynolds

Management

Well if you looked at history, I mean we kind of -- we operate in a range that is generally speaking I want to say 13% to 17% or something like that and we’ve been on the low-end of that range. And we see more rail utilization, if you look back at past years in the third quarter in particular, so the normal relationship would be that you would see that decline. The difficulty that I have in answering that question is that we haven’t used as much rail service as we normally would. So my expectation might be that it might be more flat when you look third to fourth, but it would all be based on what’s happening as in terms of those options in the marketplace, because again we’re looking for the most cost effective way to service that customer business. But if there’s a chance that utilizing for a poor laying won’t do that. We’re going to shift that over, neither, do it ourselves or use a purchase transportation provider. But again our history would be the third quarter would be elevated to the fourth. But my expectation would be that would be more flat given the circumstance.

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from the line of Jeff Coffman. Go ahead sir.

Jeff Coffman

Analyst

David I got a question and a follow-up both on CapEx, so cut me off to that first one please. Judy I think I heard you right 90 million to 100 million in CapEx 2014? Raymond James: David I got a question and a follow-up both on CapEx, so cut me off to that first one please. Judy I think I heard you right 90 million to 100 million in CapEx 2014?

Judy McReynolds

Management

That’s right.

Jeff Coffman

Analyst

If I look at your cash flow statement though and I know it’s net of financings. You’re showing a number probably closer to 30 million year-to-date with the capitalized internal software. Can you help me equate your guidance to what I am seeing on your cash flow statement? Raymond James: If I look at your cash flow statement though and I know it’s net of financings. You’re showing a number probably closer to 30 million year-to-date with the capitalized internal software. Can you help me equate your guidance to what I am seeing on your cash flow statement?

Michael Newcity

Management

It’s actually 62 million is the net and for the bottom of that cash flow statement, it shows that that finance is closer to 62 million-63 million and we’ve got some revenue equipment that’s still coming online that will come into the fourth quarter. We’ve taken receipt of about 390 tractors and we’re going to, bringing on another 55 for the end of the year and so that’s going to bump that closer to the $100 million mark of that year.

Jeff Coffman

Analyst

And the follow-up is with this kind of growth you said some of the greatest sequential growth in 15 years and the other divisions growing the way they are. Are we thinking the 2015 CapEx could be higher to help fund this growth? Raymond James: And the follow-up is with this kind of growth you said some of the greatest sequential growth in 15 years and the other divisions growing the way they are. Are we thinking the 2015 CapEx could be higher to help fund this growth?

Michael Newcity

Management

We’re actually looking at that right now and obviously we’ve seen some capacity constraint in the year and Judy has talked about the increase in purchase transportation and so forth. Part of that I think was missed in discussion a little bit a part of that is being able to be able to back online and we’ve seen an improvement in loadings in that area. But we’re wrapping that up and we’ll have a number for everyone in January.

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from the line of Rob Salmon. Go ahead.

Rob Salmon

Analyst

I think a lot of people have been trying to get to the outlook with regard to kind of Q4 with the Q&A that they’ve had. You obviously highlighted kind of a lot different puts and takes with the productivity and PT headwinds offset by some kind of yield improvements which should benefit stronger, as well as very strong sequential growth quarter-to-date. Could you give us a sense how we should be thinking about incremental margins relative to Q3 as we look out to Q4? Deutsche Bank: I think a lot of people have been trying to get to the outlook with regard to kind of Q4 with the Q&A that they’ve had. You obviously highlighted kind of a lot different puts and takes with the productivity and PT headwinds offset by some kind of yield improvements which should benefit stronger, as well as very strong sequential growth quarter-to-date. Could you give us a sense how we should be thinking about incremental margins relative to Q3 as we look out to Q4?

Judy McReynolds

Management

Well I think Michael gave the typical OR relationship between the two quarters. I think that’s probably something that would give you a benchmark for where you start. I think that’s the best indication that we have. We have a lot of different things moving around here, I’ll acknowledge that. But this history that Michael is giving you is a blended history based on a lot of things happening in those years. And so it’s a typical situation for us to have a deterioration in the operating ratio, in the fourth quarter relative to the third, but that’s a factor as well as the other factors that we’ve laid out on this call that we’re dealing with in terms of the GRI. The productivity of our employees and again used a purchase transportation that sort of thing. It sounds like you need an expert at modeling to do that and Rob you just may be the guy.

Rob Salmon

Analyst

As you look out to 2015 can you give us a better sense if these productivity issues which have been headwinds and kind of constrained the incremental margin in Q3. If those are going to continue or any sort of incremental color you can have related to the hires? It sounded like the recent hires have been kind of coming on nicely, should they start to abate as we look out to ’15 or should we kind of think about the current run rate as a pretty good run rate looking forward? Deutsche Bank: As you look out to 2015 can you give us a better sense if these productivity issues which have been headwinds and kind of constrained the incremental margin in Q3. If those are going to continue or any sort of incremental color you can have related to the hires? It sounded like the recent hires have been kind of coming on nicely, should they start to abate as we look out to ’15 or should we kind of think about the current run rate as a pretty good run rate looking forward?

Michael Newcity

Management

Rob Judy mentioned the improvement in productivity for the hires that we had in March to July, it was in the 35% to 40% range and we've also, we've seen that pace of that hiring come down. I will give you a couple of -- I will give you one data point on that. When you look at our September hirings are down from August around 30% to 35% and I could say the same for October hirings are down from September around 30% to 35%, so those hirings are coming down, we do have labor -- these new hires are improving in productivity. I think the guidance that we gave back in the second quarter is it can take about 12 months, it gets them up to full productivity and so that's kind of the backdrop there in terms of how that's playing out.

David Humphrey

Management

Rob we've got one more question in queue and we will try to get them and I appreciate you.

Operator

Operator

And our last question comes from the line of Willard Milby. Go ahead sir.

Willard Milby

Analyst

A real quick question, I think Matt asked the question I was trying to get on but at the last few quarters you have given the number of miles you have run outside carrier PT. I was hoping can you give that again? BB&T Capital Markets: A real quick question, I think Matt asked the question I was trying to get on but at the last few quarters you have given the number of miles you have run outside carrier PT. I was hoping can you give that again?

Judy McReynolds

Management

Well it's 5.8% of our total miles.

Willard Milby

Analyst

Okay. BB&T Capital Markets: Okay.

Judy McReynolds

Management

And that compares to really zero last year in the third quarter.

Michael Newcity

Management

Yes, and our rail this quarter was 14.7% Will.

Willard Milby

Analyst

So that's down a good percentage year-over-year as well? BB&T Capital Markets: So that's down a good percentage year-over-year as well?

Michael Newcity

Management

Yes, that's quite a bit from down from last year. And that is just some of the things Judy was talking about moving some staff over.

Willard Milby

Analyst

And last housekeeping thing, did you give the monthly tonnages throughout the quarter? BB&T Capital Markets: And last housekeeping thing, did you give the monthly tonnages throughout the quarter?

Judy McReynolds

Management

I think it was up 5% in July and then 7% and 7.4% something like that.

Michael Newcity

Management

Yes, let me give you the exact numbers. 5.0% July, August was 7.1% and September was 7.0 and the whole quarter is 6.4.

David Humphrey

Management

Well I think that concludes our call. We appreciate you joining ArcBest Corporation and we will see you next quarter. This ends the call.

Operator

Operator

And ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude the conference call for today. We thank you for your participation. Have a great rest of the day everyone.