Good day, everyone, and welcome to Arcturus Therapeutics Fourth and Full Year 2024 Earnings Call. [Operator Instructions] Please note, today's call will be recorded [Operator Instructions] It is now my pleasure to turn the conference over to Neda Safarzadeh, Vice President, Head of Investor Relations, Public Relations and Marketing. Neda, please go ahead.

Thank you, operator. Good afternoon, and welcome to Arcturus Therapeutics quarterly financial update and pipeline progress call. Today's call will be led by Joe Payne, our President and CEO; and Andy Sassine, our CFO. Dr. Pad Chivukula, our CSO and COO, will join them for the Q&A session. Before we begin, I would like to remind everyone that the statements made during this call regarding matters that are not historical facts are forward-looking statements within the safe harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Forward-looking statements are not guarantees of performance. They involve known and unknown risks, uncertainties and assumptions that may cause actual results, performance and achievements to differ materially from those expressed or implied by the statement. Please see the forward-looking statement disclaimer on the company's press release issued earlier today as well as the Risk Factors section in our most recent Form 10-K and in subsequent filings with the SEC. In addition, any forward-looking statements represent our views only as of the date such statements are made. Arcturus specifically disclaims any obligation to update such statements. And with that, I will now turn the call over to Joe.

Thank you, Neda. It's good to be with you again, everybody. We look forward to providing our updates today on our quarterly investor call. I will begin my remarks with an update on progress with our vaccine franchise led by KOSTAIVE. We're very pleased to receive European Commission approval for KOSTAIVE, the world's first approved self-amplifying mRNA COVID-19 vaccine. The centralized marketing authorization of KOSTAIVE provided by the European Commission is valid in all 27 European Union member states and 3 additional European economic area countries. The approval is based on positive clinical data from several studies, including an integrated Phase I/II/III study, demonstrating KOSTAIVE's efficacy against COVID-19, safety and tolerability and a Phase III COVID-19 booster trial, which achieved higher immunogenicity results compared to conventional mRNA COVID-19 vaccine comparator. The European regulatory approval results and milestones from CSL Seqirus, our global vaccine partner. These milestones will be disclosed in coordination with CSL. Our team continues to work diligently with CSL to prepare KOSTAIVE registration for the United States and the United Kingdom. But the KOSTAIVE U.S. BLA filing is anticipated for later this year 2025. On the manufacturing front, Meiji Seika Pharma, our Japanese vaccine partner, submitted a manufacturing and marketing application in February for a new vial presentation of KOSTAIVE provided in a vial containing 2 doses to the Pharmaceuticals and Medical Devices Agency, or PMDA, in Japan. Meiji Sika Pharma aims to receive approval for the 2-dose vial in time for the autumn season of 2025. The new 2-dose vial presentation will enhance convenience in daily practice and improve ease of vaccination in an individualized setting such as medical clinics. In January, Meiji, along with our manufacturing joint venture, ARCALIS, received approval from the Ministry of Health, Labor and Welfare, or MHLW, to add domestic commercial manufacturing…

Thank you, Joe, and good afternoon, everyone. The press release issued earlier today includes financial statements for the fourth quarter and fiscal year ending December 31, 2024, and provides a summary and analysis of year-over-year financial results. Please also reference our Form 10-K, which will be filed today for more details on the financial performance. Before we begin the financial review, I wanted to give you some highlights from our KOSTAIVE vaccine program and our Japanese JV partner, ARCALIS. We are thrilled about the European Commission approval of KOSTAIVE, and I'm happy to announce that we have achieved several milestones related to this approval. More details regarding milestones will be provided on the first quarter earnings call. CSL reported to Arcturus that our share of gross profit from the sale of KOSTAIVE during the quarter ended December 31, 2024, was approximately $28 million. This amount will be credited against Arcturus' share of the COVID-19 development costs paid by CSL. When CSL recoup 40% of the total development cost of KOSTAIVE 19 programs, Arcturus will begin to receive shared net profit payments from CSL for all future sales of KOSTAIVE. ARCALIS remains an important strategic manufacturing asset for Arcturus with respect to our vaccine and cystic fibrosis programs. We are very pleased with the recent $20 million investment by Meiji Seika Pharma as well as their involvement on the ARCALIS Board of Directors. ARCALIS and Meiji Seika Pharma are committed to advancing the development, production and supply of mRNA vaccines in line with the strategy for strengthening vaccine development and production systems adopted by the Japanese government. This is highlighted by the recent manufacturing and marketing approval of KOSTAIVE to include domestic manufacturing sites in Japan. Meiji and ARCALIS are in the process of obtaining approval for a 2-dose vial KOSTAIVE…

Thanks, Andy. 2024 was a historical year for Arcturus as we transition to a commercial company with the launch of KOSTAIVE. And as we begin 2025, we look forward to another transformative year with key clinical data for our therapeutics and vaccines programs coming forward. So with that, let's turn the time over to the operator for questions.

[Operator Instructions] And we'll take our first question from Lili Nsongo with Leerink.

I had maybe one question on the vaccine pipeline. And I guess another one on the rare disease pipeline. So for the vaccine collaboration, how should we think about the cadence of development milestone within the CSL collaboration? And are there been any updates in terms of the expectation for the flu vaccine program and a potential combo program with COVID flu?

I can address the -- Lili, thanks for calling in. But I'll address the flu question and then Andy can address the cadence of milestones. But CSL generally is providing the guidance for the flu program. We completed our Phase I for the quadrivalent version of the vaccine. And we remind people that CSL has a global license for the flu program. This is an area that's very important to them. So they will be providing specific updates on what's next in that area of the flu pertaining to any sort of trivalent or COVID flu combos, et cetera. So we'll be deferring to them. With respect to the milestone cadence, Andy, do you want to address that?

Sure, Lili. Thanks for the question. Yes, we will continue to receive milestones from CSL throughout the year. And as we've articulated, we have earned milestones related to the European regulatory filing, and we'll provide more details with respect to that in the first quarter call. Hopefully, that will answer your question.

And maybe just a quick question moving on to the revenue pipeline, especially as it relates to the CF program. How should we think about potential differentiation from competitors in development, especially within the mRNA, the aerosol mRNA competitors?

Sure. Yes, we're definitely different from the gene therapy and gene editing approaches. But within the mRNA space, we're different. We're different with respect to the mRNA molecule itself, of course, our LUNAR lipid nanoparticle delivery technology and even our manufacturing and purification differences. So what do I mean by mRNA? I would say, the mRNA sequence is likely to be different with increased stability and translation. Our LUNAR lipid nanoparticle technology is proprietary and clearly different. Our IP and know-how in manufacturing and purification may also be meaningful. And all of these differences were showcased in our preclinical animal studies and our data set there and also in our early human clinical studies. So I think there's fundamental chemical and modification differences to both the mRNA and the lipids and the LUNAR technology, but also take into consideration the know-how and IP associated with manufacturing and purification of the messenger RNA.

We'll move next to Yasmeen Rahimi with Piper Sandler.

Would love to spend some time. I think a lot of investors are very much looking forward to the CF interim data that's expected here in 2Q. Could you maybe talk about sort of -- I know that you have dosed 12 CF patients sort of at that interim look, like what is the size of the cohort? Will we get 1 or 2 doses? And what do you want to show at this interim look to really establish its strong POC in this market? Sorry that multipronged questions around it, but I appreciate if you could just speak on that.

Sure, sure. So I think in clinicaltrials.gov, we've communicated that the size of the Phase II trial is approximately 12 people. We do have flexibility to increase that number. In terms of guidance, we've mentioned that we intend to have an interim update that will involve multiple patients and multiple dose levels, but not a specific number has been guided at the end of the second quarter this year. In terms of a bar for success or something like that, we highlighted on today's call, and I'll reiterate here that an FEV lung function improvement of 3% in our Phase II trial would likely justify advancing ARCT-032 further into development. And this is simply based on historical precedents in the CFTR modulator space. And I believe that's the color you were looking for, Yas. Is there a follow-up question?

I was going to ask, do you plan to present this data when it becomes available? Or do you hope to get that in at a key conference? I don't know if you have any visibility in terms of.

Yes. We haven't guided how to...

...for the disclosure. Okay.

Yes, whether it's a press release or a specific call or a conference or a publication, we haven't provided any of that guidance just that by the end of the second quarter, we'll be providing interim data.

We'll take our next question from Seamus Fernandez with Guggenheim Securities.

This is Evan Wang on for Seamus Fernandez. Two for me. First on cystic fibrosis. First, could you just comment on how enrollment has been progressing so far? And just given the focus on those complete dosing, I guess how -- I guess, the anticipated split of Class I and CFTR intolerable patients? And then also, I guess, how quickly or what the next steps there would be to advance the pivotal study? And then on KOSTAIVE, glad to see the European approval there and the first royalties attributed to -- from Japan. Just can you expect -- at what point you expect visibility into orders for 2025?

Okay. So first of all, with respect to enrollment and an update there with CF, we remain on track to provide interim data at the end of the second quarter. We have multiple sites already open and active, and we're engaging several more, and those are highlighted in different CF tracking sites provided by the CF Foundation. So you can follow updates there and also on clinicaltrials.gov. But it's very active, and we remain on track there. With respect to the KOSTAIVE visibility on Japanese sales, is that -- maybe you want to clarify that for Andy, but can you clarify the question?

Yes. For KOSTAIVE, just with the kind of ordering dynamics that may be typical in Japan or Europe, any kind of comments on, I guess, when that ordering pattern happens and what point you or CSL would get more visibility into, I guess, quantity of orders for the next flu season? And then on cystic fibrosis, I also wanted to ask on, I guess, split of Class I versus CFTR intolerable patients expected.

Okay. Andrew, proceed with the first question. I'll take the next one.

Sure, Evan. As you probably noted recently, the Meiji and our Catalyst and CSL have petitioned the Japanese PMDA to get a 2-dose vial approved here in order to be ready for the next COVID strain. And consequently, as they go through that process, hopefully, it will happen in the first half of this year. With respect to their orders, we really can't comment on that. It will be Meiji that will provide that guidance. And hopefully, they'll share that as soon as possible.

And with respect to the Class I and non-Class I, really, it's one group. There's several, several genetic versions of this disease. Class I is well understood because those are considered null patients, and they do not have any CFTR in their lungs. But with respect to the other subclasses, these are folks with multiple mutations or just very [ Audio Gap ] not respond or benefit from modulators. You can imagine that they present in a similar manner and their lungs deteriorate in a similar manner to Class I subjects. So they're bundled together in this to represent one group where there's a very significant unmet medical need, and we're addressing them all. With respect to statistically, if there's 18% approximately within the CF community that do not respond to modulators, if you take that 18% number and cut it in half, that would be 9%. That would represent the Class I null patient population. So you would anticipate approximately half of our -- the folks in our Phase II trial to be from Class I. But I want to reemphasize that they're all in the same boat. They're all in the same level of unmet medical need, and they all want the same thing, which is a functional CFTR expressed in their lungs.

We'll take our next question from Myles Minter with William Blair.

Congrats on the progress and the EU approval for cost over as well. It's good to see that. Two for me on CF. The first one is just a clarification, that 3% improvement bar to take this therapy forward, if you do see that, is that on an absolute FEV1 basis? Or is that on a percent predicted FEV1 basis? That's the first one. The second one is this is an open-label study. I believe you're adding albuterol into the administration process here. So would that have any potential impact on FEV1 readouts alone? And just wondering whether you're factoring that into the interpretation of your data?

Yes. Well, the first question, yes, this is the precedent that's well established in the modulator space, it was an absolute number. So that's an absolute improvement of 3%. We do remind investors that deterioration rates in the non-Delta 508 community are more rapid and more significant. So the Delta would be actually more significant with a 3% absolute improvement is what I'm trying to emphasize. But yes, that's the precedent 3% there, and it would be an absolute number. With respect to your question about albuterol, the pretreatment with albuterol will have no I guess, effect on the analysis of the FEV response. The subjects -- when these subjects come in to have their lung function measured, it's timed before they receive the albuterol for the next treatment, right? So albuterol is very short acting and only lasts a few hours. So it won't have any impact or effect on any measurements on the following day.

We'll take our next question from Whitney Ijem with Canaccord Genuity.

This is Joohwan Kim on for Whitney Ijem. Maybe 2 quick ones from us. First, can you give any clarity on the magnitude of cost that CSL needs to recruit before Arcturus will begin to receive profit payments? We know you said the 40% of cost, but any specifics on development costs to help flush out that math? And secondly, now that KOSTAIVE has received approval in the EU, what are the next steps towards commercialization? Specifically, will things go country by country? Or will there be advanced orders? Or anything you can tell us about what to expect next?

Andy, go ahead.

No, thanks for the question. We are excited about the European approval and so is CSL. And the good news is they're in charge of the commercialization process in Europe. And with all of their experience in the flu program, we're kind of in a good position here to rely on them to lead that, that whole progress. And frankly, I think it would be immature for us to comment on that since it's their program. But we're excited and certainly looking forward to it. With respect to the amount that we reported that they shared with us, the $28 million was our share of the revenue, the gross profit that we recorded, they recorded in the fourth quarter. And so that's good news that we're calling away at the 40% of our total development expenses for the program. We haven't given specific guidance as to what the total is, but it is good progress for us and certainly would hope that we'd be able to achieve revenue sometime in the next few years. The good news is that it doesn't impact our guidance and our cash runway does not incorporate any revenue from KOSTAIVE. And as you've heard, our guidance is until the end of the first quarter of 2027.

We'll move next to Pete Stavropoulos with Cantor Fitzgerald.

And congratulations on the progress and including the EU approval. I have a question for 032 study. Can you just provide a little detail around the safety monitoring? And what are the key parameters for triggering, let's say, a pause in the study when it comes to lung or pulmonary-based adverse events? Is there a low threshold, say, grade 1 or 2 or a high threshold Grade 3 and 4?

Yes. Well, just as a recap, thanks for the question, Pete. Thanks for calling in. There was no serious or severe adverse events observed even at the highest administered doses in our Phase I study in healthy volunteers and CF patients. The first dosed patients in the Phase II study are obviously ongoing. And if there was any major events, then we'd -- we'd have to update the market accordingly there with respect to safety. Phase II, we are reviewing safety and tolerability at predetermined time points. We have a data and safety monitoring committee that's staffed by the CF Foundation TDN, this network of clinical sites under the umbrella of the CF Foundation, all of which have long-term experience with clinical trials. So when it comes to a major lung or pulmonary-based adverse events, there's an appropriate threshold applied, but we haven't disclosed the details of that. But I just wanted to provide some context as to our level of experience there.

All right. Moving on to 810. Can you just briefly touch on the study design, meaning the types of patients that you're enrolling? Are they controlled, uncontrolled, standard of care, not on standard of care? And any genetic subtypes and age range?

Great. Yes. For OTC, as we've transitioned a Phase II trial here in the United States, we are gaining access to younger and more advanced disease patients. I can't share that. But at the end of the second quarter, we look forward to sharing an update on the impact on these patients. But with respect to subtypes, I haven't had line of sight into that personally. So I don't even know what specific genetic subtype of OTC deficiency are. But I can comment and confirm that, generally speaking, we're starting to get access into younger and more advanced disease patients.

Okay. And one last question, if you don't mind. The Phase I study for H5N1 vaccine. So interim data are expected in, I guess, the second half. What do we expect to see there? Is it doses for multiple cohorts -- sorry, data from multiple dosing cohorts and the different vaccination schedules or piece-wise?

Well, just first, an update on -- we initiated dosing in December, but greater than 80% of the patients have already been enrolled, and we're looking to complete enrollment here just at the end of this first quarter. So we're well on track there with respect to recruitment.

So the interim data, what do we expect to see there? That's something you're waiting for.

Yes. Interim data, there's multiple doses and multiple administrative types of administrations, right, prime boost versus others that are being investigated by BARDA in younger and older adults. So it's a really diverse fulsome data set. It will be a couple of hundred people, and the timing of that is likely in the second half of this year, but it will include a lot of immunogenicity data and different dose levels, different prime boost regimens, et cetera.

We'll move next to Tom Shrader with BTIG.

Nice to be involved. A lot of comments about deterioration of lung function. I'm curious what your preclinical data says, how that interplays with your ability to deliver CFTR. If the lung is too inflamed or too coated, does it get very spotty? And what kind of data do you collect on patients that might inform us? I'm curious if it works well in some patients and not at all in others, how much of a theory there'll be as to why? And then I have a vaccine follow-up.

Well, Pat can provide some context on the preclinical data set that -- yes, go ahead, Pat.

Yes. I mean, yes, I think it's a great question. When we did our initial preclinical work, we did a lot of work on the effect of mucus, the effect of sort of clogging on the delivery of our nanoparticles and the delivery and the expression of mRNA. And we've optimized our formulations so that they're stable in sputum, for example, and it can diffuse and get into the right cell type. And we did all that work preclinically, which really led into sort of doing our initial clinical trial work. Just so you're aware, when patients do come in, they come with a diverse genetic background, right? So the lung function varies from different patients, but we do anticipate after the initial dosing, after clearance of the mucus, gradually, these -- the nanoparticles will become more efficacious and over time, it will be more -- they should feel -- it should be delivered to sort of deeper lung and really go at the cause of the disease.

Got it. And if I can follow-up, how excited are you about a seasonal flu vaccine the other mRNA companies have shown really effective vaccines, but the reactogenicity is so bad, they're not probably competitive. Is that high on your list? Or is it kind of you have enough to do?

Yes. Definitely, these changing viruses are attractive commercial opportunities for the mRNA vaccine space in general because of clock speed advantages in manufacturing and distribution. So self-amplifying mRNA is -- would be considered one of those companies that would be attracted to markets where the virus is changing, and that includes COVID and flu. The advantages that we bring to the table versus the competitors in the space is we're self-amplifying mRNA. That means the dose would be much lower. And also, we have shown in with clinical trial data and peer-reviewed publications that the duration of immunogenicity is extended to be once a year instead of multiple times a year. So I think most people would like a lower dose option that has an extended more durable immune response and that has complete coverage throughout the year, not just for the season. And that would -- that's how we would have competitive advantages within the mRNA space.

We'll take our next question from Ed Arce with H.C. Wainwright.

This is Thomas Yip asking a couple of questions for Ed. Congratulations on the achievement in 2024. So first question on CF. Clearly, a lot of interest there. And given the evolving landscape for combination treatments in CF, how do you see 032 fitting in either as a competitive or complementary agent? And also, can you remind us how large is your total addressable market estimate?

Yes. In terms of -- well, first of all, we're very excited about the opportunity in CF. We think that transient mRNA therapeutics and protein replacement therapeutics are ideal, especially for those that do not respond to modulators. And in terms of the size of the opportunity, you have to take into consideration the latest estimates, whether they're 15% or 18% of the CF community would be very interested in something that could address their unmet medical need. That is a massive commercial opportunity, especially for a company of our size. So I think you can look to the competitors in the space and see what the opportunity is there. But did I address your question, Ed?

Yes, yes. Perhaps switching gears to 810, one more question from us for the interim readout and also coming into the second quarter. In addition to safety and PK, what would you consider to be a bar for success from an efficacy standpoint in OTC?

Well, several biomarkers are being measured and evaluated in our clinical studies, so including ammonia and several amino acids and multiple methods to evaluate urea genesis. So our biomarker strategy is becoming more clear. We haven't communicated that and shared that with the public. We intend to communicate this strategy in more detail later this year, likely concurrent with the interim data set. We haven't promised that, but that's likely. So you can imagine that it's not just about ammonia. There's other amino acids that are implicated in urea cycle disorders like ornithine transcarbamylse deficiency. And we're one of the leading companies to understand what an mRNA therapeutic can do to not only restore a healthy urea cycle, but what impact that will have on what specific biomarkers that could drive and to establish potential clinical endpoints in pivotal studies.

We'll move next to Yanan Zhu with Wells Fargo.

So first, I was wondering, ahead of the CF data readout, how should we think about variability when we see the data? I wanted to mention that for your Phase I study, there's some variability. And in some patients, it could be greater than 3% from measurement to measurement. So I guess what could -- it sounds like this will be a multiple patients, multiple doses. But of course, this is not a very large study that it's easier to -- a little easier to discern a signal.

No, it's a great question, Yanan. Thanks for calling in. Variability is something that we have to watch closely. Now in our previous -- when we shared FEV data previously, that was from a Phase Ib safety study. It was not an efficacy study. And so of course, there would be elevated variability with just 2 administrations. In the Phase II study that we're undertaking, this is 28 daily doses and several measurements taken. So that will help alleviate a lot of the concern on variability because this is an efficacy study measuring efficacy with FEV and designed as such. So we believe that will be the case. Now clearly, if the higher the FEV the stronger your statistical conviction on how meaningful this data is. But the 3% that I referenced earlier on the call and in the Q&A session is just simply referring to historical precedents in the modulator community as justification to proceed. It states the obvious that we would like to get higher than that to address statistical significance and variability concerns that you just shared.

That's great to hear. May I also ask is a potential dose response should be something we look for or maybe at this stage in time?

No one has ever established that or at least hasn't shared that data in the history of mankind. So we would be us and our competitors would be the first company ever to show that there is a dose response for inhaled mRNA therapeutics in CF patients. But there is rationale to expect that, that could be the case. The higher the dose, the more of the coverage, the more of the CFTR, the more the biochemical and pharmacological response. So there isn't any reason to justify that there isn't a dose response. We did see a dose response in preclinical animal models as well, especially the challenging ferret model. So I think the general consensus is that we would expect a dose response in human beings. But I'd like to remind everyone, this is the first of its kind, and we just don't know what will happen, but that would be fantastic, if we saw that.

Got it. May I also ask about safety? I think the dosing frequency is daily inhalation. How do we think about OMP delivered product inhaled daily just in general?

Yes. So we've done a lot of preclinical tox studies that are chronically dosed tox studies for injectable and inhaled therapeutics in our preclinical animal models. And we haven't seen any concerns pertaining to accumulating lipids, for example, or accumulating technology in our intravenous program for OTC deficiency, we saw that these lipids are no longer measurable after a short period of time. So we have conviction or confidence that we won't see anything too challenging in -- with respect to safety and tolerability. But that's why we have to collect the data with 28 consecutive doses to clearly establish that. Did I address your question, Yanan?

Yes, yes. If I may ask a quick question on cost save. Could you clarify how many doses have been sold in the last quarter? And how do we think about the first quarter relative to the last quarter, adjusting for seasonality in general?

Well, yes, Meiji communicated their recent sales guidance in the second week of February on their investor call. But Andy, do you want to provide some color to address this question.

Yes. Meiji had originally planned to sell around 4 million doses, and they basically changed their guidance to less than half of that. So that's the latest that we've heard from Meiji and CSL. And as soon as we get more clarity, I think we'll be more than happy to share that with the market as soon as possible. But we're rooting for them and we anticipate that the 2-Dose Vial format will certainly help ease and improve the efficacy of the administration, certainly the logistics around Japan. But that's pretty much the latest that we have from Meiji.

And the only other marketing difference I would add is the last time the Meiji sales force was looking to distribute and sell this vaccine, they were the only country in the world that had approved KOSTAIVE. And now there's 31 countries that have approved KOSTAIVE. And so they'll be armed with that level of confidence and conviction as they enter the 2025 market. So we're definitely cheering for them.

We'll move next to I-Eh Jen with Laidlaw & Company.

Congrats on the progress. In terms of the CF mRNA development, we noticed there's another competitor probably going to report the data about a similar time frame as yours. So I'd just like to see what do you think about the comparison between the 2 -- before they -- either one of you reporting the data? And then I have a follow-up on the COVID side.

Yes, it's definitely an exciting competitive space. I think the first round of competitive performance will be evaluated heads up in Phase II trial data. I think everyone will compare our data to the competitors. If any of the other programs make it into Phase III trials, that obviously implies that they saw FEV percentage improvements. And so I fully expect the focus -- and this is just our mine and others here at Arcturus, we expect the focus will elevate on safety and tolerability for a daily treatment. But in the near-term, the focus will be on FEV.

Okay. Great. Maybe just a follow-up here in terms of the 2-dose vaccine -- COVID vaccine for the next -- for the upcoming, I guess, winters, what are the key strains the vaccine was against COVID ex- strains against?

Yes. The application is in place for the 2-dose vial presentation, but we have not included the updated variant of concern that you typically provided in the spring by the WHO. And typically, the PMDA and the Japanese regulatory authority aligns with the WHO selection, but that should unfold in the coming months. And that's what we've seen in the past few years, and that's what we expect for this year.

Maybe one last question for Andy, which is that for the $28 million, your shares -- from the sales, I'm just curious, is that just a 2-way split or 3-way split because Meiji also, I assume it's part of that sharing that profit?

Yes. No, very good question. It is a 3-way split between Meiji and CSL and Arcturus. And so as I alluded to in my previous call, there's a 2-tiered pricing system, and this is the first tier of that mechanism. And of course, the second tier would relate to the sell-through, right? And how much did they actually sell the vaccine for, and they'll be sharing that information with CSL, who will then do the calculation on the differences between the 2 prices and allocate those revenues accordingly. So hopefully, we'll have more color sometime later this year, but the mechanism is a little complex. And nevertheless, we're grateful that we have good partners here to help us figure out all these calculations.

And this does conclude the Q&A portion of today's call. I would now like to turn it back to Joe Payne for any additional or closing remarks.

Just a thank you to everyone participating on the call. If there's any remaining questions, don't hesitate, as always, to reach out to our team. We'll get back to you as soon as we can. Thank you, everyone, and good night.

This does conclude today's program. Thank you for your participation. You may disconnect at any time, and have a wonderful evening.