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Q4 2022 Earnings Call· Fri, Mar 31, 2023

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Operator

Operator

Greetings. Welcome to the American Resources Corporation’s Fourth Quarter 2022 Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Please note this conference is being recorded. At this time, I will now turn the conference over to Mark LaVerghetta, Vice President, Corporate Finance and Communications. Mark, you may begin.

Mark LaVerghetta

Analyst

Thanks, Rob. Good afternoon. On behalf of American Resources Corporation, I would like to welcome everyone to our fourth quarter and full year 2022 conference call and business update. We always welcome this opportunity to provide an update on our business and discuss our accomplishments since our last update and also discuss how we uniquely positioned within the markets we serve, for our American Carbon, American Metals and our ReElement Technologies division. Also on the call today is Mark Jensen, American Resources’ Chairman and CEO; Kirk Taylor, our Chief Financial Officer; and Tom Sauve, our President. Before we kick it off, I would like to remind everyone of our normal cautionary statement. Certain statements discussed in today’s call constitute forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act. These forward-looking statements are subject to risks, uncertainties and other factors, which could cause actual results to differ materially from the results discussed in the forward-looking statements. When considering forward-looking statements, you should keep in mind the risk factors, uncertainties and other cautionary statements, which are laid out in our press releases and SEC filings. We also do not undertake any obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statement whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise. Lastly, we will be holding a question-and-answer session today following our prepared remarks. And for anyone wanting to ask a question, you need to dial-in by phone to get into the queue. We are going to begin today with a few comments from our Chief Financial Officer, Kirk Taylor.

Kirk Taylor

Analyst

Thank you, Mark and thank you everyone for your interest and your time this afternoon. The fourth quarter of 2022 and the beginning of 2023 have continued to showcase our focus and execution that positions our company for long-term value creation. When looking at our recent execution, it is important to take a step back and highlight some of our accomplishments on all fronts. From a corporate standpoint, during 2022, our Board established a special committee to evaluate strategic opportunities to best unlock value of the company. And out of that committee, we had announced a share repurchase program, which our team began to execute upon and repurchased 86,400 shares as of December 31, 2022. Additionally, we purchased back 7.5% outstanding interest of our ReElement Technologies division, making it again a wholly owned subsidiary of American Resources. We believe this will contribute meaningful value to our shareholders. And we subsequently announced our plan to spin-off ReElement into its own public company. In conjunction with ReElement’s planned spin-off, we filed a Form 10 information statement with the SEC this past January for 2023. I would refer you or anyone interested in reading more about that to go to sec.gov and search under ReElement. We have also sold the exclusive rights of our carbon nanostructure and graphene patents to Novusterra, showcasing our focus and ability to monetize value of our broad asset base. Lastly, during January 2023, our last and largest convertible debt holder converted all of its debt into common stock, which reduced our debt by over $9 million and further strengthens our balance sheet and exemplifies strong confidence in our business planning and execution as well as believing in our value as a company. While we will dive into our business pillars in more detail throughout this call, it is…

Mark LaVerghetta

Analyst

Thanks, Kirk. As we frequently state, our ReElement Technologies division represents an incredibly exciting and very strategic opportunity for us. We continue to strategically position ourselves in the global supply chain for critical minerals. I think it is important to reiterate and emphasize our position within that market. ReElement is an innovative and advanced refining platform for critical minerals. While we believe we are a meaningful part of the recycling value chain, we are not solely a recycling platform. We do believe our position in the recycling market and the sustainable supply of critical minerals is highly important as we move towards a highly mineral dependent electrified economy. However, we also believe our refining methods hold an important position in the global value chain of processing and purifying natural ores, such as lithium. Additionally and in regards to our strategic positioning, it is worth noting that our innovative and advanced refining technology holds a critically important role for our domestic supply chain of critical minerals and our domestic manufacturing of goods. China’s global dominance of critical minerals has a lot to do with their ability to refine, both natural ores and in recycling, where they use conventional, environmentally and socially toxic refining methods. Their low environmental and social standards allow them to produce these minerals at a lower capital cost. We believe that deploying these conventional and toxic refining methods in the United States market will be very, very challenging. As we put together and developed our intellectual property, we set out to solve the biggest bottleneck in the supply chain, which we see as economically competitive refining, which is highly flexible to a variety of feedstocks and very environmentally safe. Our innovative and advanced refining methods using chromatographic separation and purification displaces the toxic conventional methods used in China…

Mark Jensen

Analyst

Thanks, Mark. First, I would like to thank our team for the hard work and effort they put in to position our business going into 2023 and also prepare our business to be more resilient across all of our platforms. As we mentioned earlier, 2022 revenue of $39.5 million increased more than 400% year-over-year as we accelerated our carbon production. While achieving this record sale for us, our ReElement Technology division in commercializing our leading clinical – we accomplished this while also our ReElement Technology division commercialized our leading, world-leading critical mineral refining technology. Having the team in place to be able to accomplish the growth of the carbon industry, while also developing and building out and commercializing ReElement is a key factor for our business and our focus going forward. The majority of our revenue was generated from our McCoy Elkhorn complex. This was offset by the idling of our Perry County Resources Complex, which we will discuss later. At no point in our history has our business been better positioned to serve the markets we operate in and to capitalize on the broad asset base and our talent and our ability to produce, process and refine raw materials that are in very high demand across all of our platforms. Given our execution, we are extremely excited about the opportunities for both entities we have in front of us. I’d also believe that the enterprise value as a whole is currently a substantial discount relative to some of the parts or comparable to peer valuations. Let’s dive into each division. So American Carbon, our mining division, we have spent a significant amount of time in the fourth quarter, but also in the first quarter evaluating what generates the most return for our investors. And we have setup a strategic…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] And our first question is from the line of Heiko Ihle with H.C. Wainwright. Please proceed with your questions.

Heiko Ihle

Analyst

Hey there. Thanks for taking my questions.

Mark Jensen

Analyst

Yes, thanks for joining.

Heiko Ihle

Analyst

Of course. At McCoy Elkhorn, are you guys facing any issues with either supply of materials any sort of supply chain issues or with labor or is everything going swimmingly?

Mark Jensen

Analyst

Yes. I will actually say we are starting to see a lot of stabilization in that environment today. I mean, from a labor market perspective and McCoy is a – they are effectively two new mines. So they are pretty good places to work pretty attractive places to work, supplies, we’re starting to – I mean, there’s less suppliers out there than they were 5 years ago. But you are seeing stabilization within the supply market. I would say even in the fourth quarter of last year, there was probably it was people were starting to return so much normal, but there were still a lot of challenges, then I will say now, we really don’t see much of that anymore.

Heiko Ihle

Analyst

Fair enough. So fair to say progress can be filled even in the last 2 months?

Mark Jensen

Analyst

Yes, I mean, I would say the biggest issue we had was, for us to expand our revenue was the processing capacity. I mean, we had – we’ve predominantly sold to one customer, and with the great customer, great colleague. But the processing plant that we were having it processed that was struggling, I mean, it was running at less than a third capacity. So we made the investment to bring our own, we have a state of the art processing plant. That is – we just at the time, when we started the mines, it was easier just to ship to our customer, he was processing it. Now, we had to make the decision to drive revenue growth and margins to bring our own processing plant online, which we did about 2 weeks ago. So that was probably the biggest limiting factor was the processing capacity in the region. And thankfully we are – we own and possess not only the newest, but also the largest processing capacity in that region, I think there’s going to be some pretty significant growth for our business, not only the existing production that we have coming out of the mines right now, which is good, very good. They are doing a really good job, actually, but also third-party business that we could bring in because of our processing capacity. That was probably the in the fourth and a little bit of the first quarter here. Now the production in the first quarter was great. The processing capacity was slow. And now with our own processing plant coming online, it’s going to be – we’re pretty excited about where we’re positioned at right now and the cash flows at the business throw off.

Heiko Ihle

Analyst

Got it. Okay, perfect. And then just one quick one, you spend a decent amount of time talking about the partnerships, both in your press release and earlier on this call. So wide of a net, should we expect you to see when it comes to partnerships, I guess what I’m saying is, are there any end uses or markets that you’re mostly against or are you just anything that comes that may be beneficial?

Mark Jensen

Analyst

On the ReElement side, is that you are pointing?

Heiko Ihle

Analyst

Yes.

Mark Jensen

Analyst

Yes, worldwide. The – I mean, obviously, we’re going to be a little bit sensitive about certain areas of the world where we got to protect our IP. But we are – we’ve signed an MOU with a Japanese recycler, we are working obviously pretty aggressively in and very aggressively in the African nations and feel really good about the resource rich nation of that obviously, domestically throughout. We are in numerous discussions. Hopefully here shortly here are some additional co-location opportunities we are designing with another battery manufacturer right now and in mine recycling process for them, how our technology can sit at their battery manufacturing plant to be recycled – to recycle their waste material. Nobody else in the industry can do that. You can’t put a hydromet facility next to a battery manufacturing plant in a matter of 6 months. It would take you years and they don’t want it next. They wouldn’t want a hydromet facility next to their battery manufacturing plant. We can do that. So those are the conversations we are having but even our – to some of our couple of our Board members have been over in Australia talking to other lithium producers over there about our technology displacing their current processing capacity, because it’s lower cost. So we are not just focused on the United States market by any means. We believe that if we can replace all of an extraction throughout the world, and position our technology as the solution for that’s our focus today. And I would say from – you will look at our team, you’ll get Bob’s experience, I think we’re going to be successful at that.

Heiko Ihle

Analyst

That’s helpful. Thank you, all.

Mark Jensen

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from the line of Mike Niehuser with ROTH Capital Partners. Please proceed with your questions.

Mike Niehuser

Analyst

Hi, thanks for taking my call or taking my questions that is. Very helpful answer on the last – in the last analyst. So if I can understand what you said earlier in your narrative, the fourth quarter, there is investment and the expansion facilities, and that was related to the processing, I’m assuming and the reason for stockpiling the $6 million worth of ore, is that is somehow related. And we’re transitioning out of that phase with at the end of the first quarter with increased processing capacity. Is that close?

Mark Jensen

Analyst

Yes. I mean, that – and I mean that’s just – that did trick one of the first quarter as well. We needed I mean, our customers still running their plant, but it just wasn’t running efficiently, which slowed up some of our production internally as well. So stockpiling the ore, slowing the production, because we didn’t have our own processing capacity up and up and running. And then I mean, during the Christmas holidays, we also expanded, we were started the development of expanding the Carnegie 2 mine, which, during that period of time is relatively slow. Now, I will say today, where we said, the mines, all three sections are operating, plants operating, and they’re hitting production levels, which will be commensurate with that, that 28,000 to 30,000 tons a month, which we think we can expand upon, which would put us at a very profitable state as a business going forward. Now, we are also expanding currently our customer base as well. Just diversifying a little bit with that additional production coming online and we think we will be able to – we’re in conversations with, the good thing is you are seeing a lot of blast furnaces open up right now. So there is quite a bit of demand right now and with the logistics, which are relatively tight right now, we are starting to see that open up.

Mike Niehuser

Analyst

But still all met coal, correct?

Mark Jensen

Analyst

Yes, everything, yes. Everything is met coal. I mean, that’s really where our businesses focusing on those the Carnegie mines right now, just because they’re, that’s what generates cash flow for the business. That’s what I’ll put cash in the bottom line going forward and focusing on the high margin McCoy versus exploring lower margin products.

Mike Niehuser

Analyst

And you mentioned the Dean was starting production. Can you give us some idea of the scale of that through the fourth or first quarters?

Mark Jensen

Analyst

Yes. So they just started up recently, doing some development in mining, the attractiveness of what the team brought in over there, they brought a hydro mining, hydro miners are very, very efficient form of mining, very low cost form of mining. They’re targeting right around that start off phase around 30,000 tons a month, is what we’re being told, which would translate into right around a couple $100,000 in revenue does have cash flow does, a month. And they’re looking at some pretty significant expansion opportunities around there. But they’re hitting what they said they’re going to do, and they’ve been delayed a little bit but or, but it’s not expected. Not unexpected, they guess in this industry when you’re starting up a new mine. But thankfully, they’re in production today. And they’re hitting their stride.

Mike Niehuser

Analyst

Got it. And as far as like with Perry, you mentioned that the trying to get the right price for it and takin, some of the equipment and moving it or transitioned over to Wyoming County, in West Virginia. With if you take that away from Perry is that going to cannibalize or degrade the value of that asset as you would present it to a potential purchaser?

Mark Jensen

Analyst

I mean, we’re looking at maximizing the value for our investors. We believe Wyoming County is one of the most attractive opportunities we have in front of us today, high margin looking at generating cash. I mean, we could talk very frank, coal businesses sometimes aren’t – we want to look at maximizing the value of our coal business today, maximizing the revenue in the cash flow generation from our coal business today. We believe the value of our assets redeployed to Wyoming County would be roughly $40 million, the cost to reclaim the complex would be roughly $5 million, that would be a net realization of value to our investors of roughly $35 million. If we deploy it to Wyoming County, if there’s an investor that would like to buy it, they can come in around those values and pay us cash for it. We are open to that. We are open to monetizing it in the most creative way for our investors, but that those assets and that equipment, and there’s other assets and equipment we can bring to Wyoming County as well. But today, our focus, it needs to be run as a three section mine, if that was all our focus, and all we were focused on doing is just running Perry County, we could put three sections in there, we can make money. There is a lot of people that want to do that. And we have had offers on the complex, they’re not at a position, those offers weren’t quite as high. Some of them were close, actually quite close to the replacement value of redeploying those assets to our Wyoming County division, but they weren’t there yet. And so, ultimately, right now, it’s we’re looking at the cost benefit analysis, and we’re looking at what’s the most creative aspect for our investors. And if that means redeploying our equipment and infrastructure and assets to Wyoming County, we will do that. And but what we’re not going to do is sit on our hands and wait for somebody to come and match that value, they either need to move quickly, or we’re going to redeploy the assets and maximize the value today.

Mike Niehuser

Analyst

Well, I would never accuse you of sitting on your hands, that’s for sure. With regards to Wyoming County, I think the bond is $45 million. With that, if that’s correct it will that balance the construction budget. And of course, you’ll benefit by moving equipment over but there’s also inflation. So at the end of the day, are you going to need to raise equity or do you think you’re going to be able to – with cash flow and equipment and all these things together not need to go to the markets?

Mark Jensen

Analyst

No, I mean, I will say that I mean, the $45 million is built in quite a bit of contingency. Also, the ability for near-term revenue growth, revenue generation during the development phases of that, we actually think we can be in revenue very quickly. They’re even during the phase of development and offset those costs. I actually believe that I mean, $45 million is – would be extremely well capitalized, especially with – there is a lot of infrastructure, we are already setting aside rebuilding and ready to deliver over to the complex. What we are doing by doing that is we are offsetting we are de-risking it for ourselves and the tax incentive of investor to tax amount investors by doing those moves already. We have already started investing into that equipment. We have already started investing in the infrastructure. Now if we redeploy the infrastructure over from Wyoming, it’s going to be extremely de risked investor and de-risks deal for both us and our taxes and bond investors. And that’s a good thing more higher likelihood for success and monetizing the asset getting the assets online for the long-term.

Mike Niehuser

Analyst

Got it. And as far as that goes, it seems like it’s going to be a real sexy project, if you can say that about a carbon producer. But if what’s your sense about closing that, that bond building and being able to move into production? Is that the ‘24 production are you looking at?

Mark Jensen

Analyst

No, I mean, I think it can be – I am going to be caveat this. I don’t control the bond markets. I mean, we had how many banks just failed what a month ago, not even, so there is people like to sometimes hold me to timeframes on certain things outside my control. But this one is when the bond markets are fully open, and when we – and I think our advisors hilltop are doing a phenomenal job, I mean, world class team over there, fully understand this environment. There were navigating and we want to make sure we put a good deal in place with good investors and but right now it’s an extremely attractive mind to bring online I mean, our customers are beating down the road we have off takes that are very interested in that there’s numerous all takes we can go to select some of the legacy mining companies around the region also have expressed interest in desire for that product. So it’s – we want to we want to get it online quickly. But we’re also want to make sure we do navigate the current market environment. And I think what we’re seeing now is I mean, even with unemployment rates, climbing today, I think the interest rate environment is probably stabilizing, which is a good thing. That’s the most important thing to get a tax bond done over the last 5 months it would have been nearly impossible just because that’s what killed those banks, right, with rising interest rates and pricing deals below it. So we are starting to get pretty good environment for it.

Mike Niehuser

Analyst

Once market stabilized – sorry for interrupting, Mark, apologize, once they stabilize in pretty much closure would be imminent at that point, I am wondering and then how long to build and start seeing some benefit from Washington County or Wyoming County?

Mark Jensen

Analyst

Yes, I mean, we are going to mobilize quickly. We have already narrowed it down on the development team that’s going to be up there. Our current operating team, led by Tarlis Thompson had been to the site numerous times already doing the engineering planning phases of it. I think it’ll be – it would be months, not years, not quarters before we start moving dirt there, it’d be days I think before – we will probably start moving dirt. They are here in the near-term anyways, even before it closes.

Mike Niehuser

Analyst

As far as production goes, I don’t…

Mark Jensen

Analyst

Yes. We could start generating revenue in 3 months. I mean, there is some work we got to put cap which is the tax and bond will fund. We are bringing infrastructure for the processing plant from other plants we already have that are idled and not being used and then but it’s, within months, we can start generating some revenue on the – that’d be development revenue, though. But within 6 months and building in a little bit of cushion for myself, we can be producing at pretty good – pretty safe state.

Mike Niehuser

Analyst

But I’m a little ignorant here are totally is – aren’t you’re going to have to build a plant, or is there an existing plant that you’re working on?

Mark Jensen

Analyst

Yes, Wyoming County is a really attractive complex and said, the way that we developed it, and the way that we have – the way that it’s set up, and the way that our plan has been developed is there is two deep mines that would built directly into the processing plant that already is onsite. We were – we are going to upgrade that plant using a lot of the infrastructure we already have and equipment we already have at various projects. So we will – that will be the focus is developing the deep mines and upgrading the plant simultaneously. There is a real load out onsite as well that accesses VNS, Norfolk Southern Rail. So it’s why – we paid over $26 million for this complex and we bought it a number of years ago, the reason we bought it is one it’s fully permitted to it has the existing plan on site that can be upgraded quickly, got the two deep mines within a strata that is very similar to what we already mined in Kentucky, at the Carnegie mines. And so it’s a a relatively straightforward development plan. And, and a low risk development plan given what’s already on site there today.

Mike Niehuser

Analyst

Excellent, thank you for that tutorial on that, I appreciate that. Don’t – you have a lot going on. And Wyoming County doesn’t get a lot of press except for the bond in the last couple of years. So thank you for your patience. Moving on to the ReElement, I am really quite interested in the spodumene, and your ability to co-locate, it seems that, there’s so many of the – there’s like, dozens of lithium companies out there, you know, resource companies that each have their own kind of like Black Box or bag of tricks to be able to concentrate that the lithium to ship. And I just want you to – tell me if I got this right, but it sounds like, you’re talking to lots of people, there’s really an opportunity. But I’m wondering, it’s sometimes disruptive technologies have a tough time penetrating until it’s seen that it really is lower cost. And I’m just wondering if you have the flexibility, to be able to dominate that space, in terms of the really the difficulty that lithium companies are having to be able to produce the concentrate. And the reason for the long questions, I am just I don’t want to overstate that. But it just seems like you’re in an excellent position in a market where if this easy thing is going to work out, lithium is going to be, kind of one of those critical items that it really rises to the top and being scarce. And so how do you see you fitting in from an industry level as being the go-to technology to be able to, for the initial extraction of lithium production to spodumene?

Mark Jensen

Analyst

Yes, that’s a good question. And that’s, that is really what show – why our technology show is – is able to be showcased in a very efficient way. When our energy use and our chemical use versus the alternative is a fraction of solvent extraction, we are not using a series of mixtures and settlers, hundreds of them at times, even thousands of the time, we’re using columns. And we’re not using high pressure or high heat within those columns either. So it’s a very efficient form of processing. The cost structure matters, right? Everything matters, but most of – what a lot of people don’t realize is logistics matter. So when you’re dealing with commodities, if you’re transporting a raw commodity, halfway across the world to be refined, there’s a huge cost to that lithium spodumene is typically a 6% lithium ore, meaning you’re transporting 94% rock halfway across the world to be purified to a 99.99% pure. Most people can’t get to that high, we can. But more importantly, we can localize that. So, why Africa has been such a huge opportunity is, there is hundreds of thousands of tons of lithium spodumene that is transported from African nations, to China today to be purified. We have already been testing that material in our facility. And we have already been processing it to showcase what it can do, one, at small scale, but what we have proven is that our technology works as it scales up even better. And that’s because the surface area interface. Basically, the surface area of the resin, so the bigger the columns, the more resin you have the more surface area, which lowers our cost structure. But the ability to localize that and the ability to do it timely meaning we could…

Mike Niehuser

Analyst

Great. That’s just super. The transportation, you laid out is undeniable, a huge cost savings. But I guess as I have learned about your technology, it’s, it is so effective in producing high purity material that, that I have the side benefit of being flexible for different types of material that you process. And I was – the original part of my question was, is that each one of these lithium mines has a unique or, and my sense is, is that your chromatography process isn’t distracted by the nuances of the ore in terms of you just have to get it into the right condition, and then just present it to your columns with the technology. And so it just seems like it could be a universally a very – something that would be considered by every company going in as opposed to feeling like they need to develop something proprietary, it would take years and cost like…?

Mark Jensen

Analyst

So, what’s unique about not only is our patents are great, and our trade secrets are better. But what also we possess is the ability to run simulation software that we can plug in based on our Ictus machines that we own that we can plug in the data, that will run the virtual simulations to tell us our mass balance calculations, which means we can process any orders any chemistries. Because of that software, we can move very quickly. We don’t have to spend weeks or months in labs running analysis to dial in or solvent extraction call of tanks and change our emulsion chemicals and ratios. We don’t have to do that, All we need to do is run it through our mass balance calculations based on what ore body is coming in to run those simulations virtually. That software we control that was put together through 40 years of research by Dr. Wang and Dr. Yi Bing on our team now is an absolute game changer for us, not only for the lithium bodies, but also the magnet materials. And that is what’s unique about the flexibility of our technology and then the purity. I mean purity matters. Purity is I mean the impurities within a battery are oftentimes what causes a combustion event, which causes fires with a battery. When I first met Bob, that’s one thing that he is like, you need to make sure you can bring high purity. And we showcase that to him, he joined our technical advisory board and then just recently agreed to join our Board, because he felt comfortable with the efficacy of our technology and the proof and our technology of how it works. He watched the facility run and he is like, that’s the goal. That’s a game changer. And I mean, I am obviously super thankful to have him on our team, because he is a rock star. I mean he is probably the most respected or one of the most respected guys in the battery industry. To have him on our team, I mean it’s hard to express our gratitude towards that, but he believes in the technology, and that’s important.

Mike Niehuser

Analyst

Does the co-location that you are seeing that opportunity? Does that reduce the need to be able to build the facility in Indianapolis that you have kind of got online, or is that – and what’s the timing for that?

Mark Jensen

Analyst

Yes. We have not announced our second facility. We did say it’s going to be in Indiana. We are – the bid has been approved for that facility. Now, we are waiting on documents. We have already started renovating it. But no, so the co-location opportunities would not displace and we still need a bigger facility. We weigh over on our existing facility already. So, we need to meet our larger scale facility, but that we – also the partnership opportunities for people to co-locate at our facility. The facility we selected, this 42 acres, it’s a huge site. And so the ability to bring in partners alongside of us, we get magnet producers, battery producers, can producers. We are in conversations with them, because we will have a lot of excess capacity at that site. And it will be our first – it will be our large scale internal site. But also then, from there, it will be all about co-location.

Mike Niehuser

Analyst

Got it. I apologize. I just realized how long I have been on this call. I have enjoyed your answers. As far as like the magnitude of the purification of a particular metal, does lithium look like it’s going to be several magnitudes more than what the other metals that you are involved with as far as market size and acceptance and demand. Is lithium, the big one?

Mark Jensen

Analyst

Yes. I mean, so lithium ores is the largest opportunity we have in front of us right now, just because we have some opportunities that are really large. That being said, I think I mean there are some cobalt operations that just shut down, because of the market environment today, because prices went up, prices went back down. We can actually help make those projects profitable. And so that’s I think they explore the other ores and the other materials you get. On batteries, you are going to produce more nickel and cobalt than you will lithium.

Mike Niehuser

Analyst

Are you talking about cobalt mines there?

Mark Jensen

Analyst

Yes.

Mike Niehuser

Analyst

Okay. And I do apologize. Yes. I apologize for keeping this long. Last question, do you think we are going to see starts to see meaningful revenues and it’s from ReElement on the rare earth and the battery metals this year?

Mark Jensen

Analyst

I think by the end of the year, I mean we are already making money on the metals side of the business and part of our breakdown recycling process. I know, USA Rare Earth and AML, are actually both doing really well on the magnet side. They are getting really close, and that will help unlock some pretty significant revenue for us. From – everything I am hearing, they will be up and running this year, which is I know AML well. I mean I think USA Rare Earth well, USA, there’s going to be a lot bigger producer. And I mean they are being led by a world class team. And then on the battery side, I mean I think some of these projects we are working on could move really quickly. So, by the end of the year, I think we could be generating pretty substantial revenue. But there are times, there are things outside of our control, we wait on our partners for some of those things. Now, that being said, they are advancing quickly though, and we feel good about those timeframes.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Steve Segal with KBB Asset Management. Please proceed with your question.

Steve Segal

Analyst · KBB Asset Management. Please proceed with your question.

Hey Mark. Congratulations, all the benchmarks you have already accomplished with ReElement, especially. Most of my questions that was asked have been asked and answered already. So, I was just wondering if you can talk a little bit about Novusterra.

Mark Jensen

Analyst · KBB Asset Management. Please proceed with your question.

Yes, absolutely. So, we sold – Novusterra actually ties into the Wyoming County Complex as well. It’s part of what – that will be the initial pre-stock, pre-feedstock process in fact. But we ended up selling the exclusive rights to those patents to Novusterra for equity in Novusterra. As you can see what we have said is, we have set out earlier, end of last year with the ability to align the interests of all of our team members, but also the people dedicatedly focused in that. And so notice there was restructured. We brought in the new management team, part of our team moved over there. And now they have a dedicated focus on operational control. Now, what’s really exciting about Novusterra is, we did a sub-license with Kenai Defense. Kenai Defense already got the first contract with one of the military divisions, and now are, they have been approved for the second one as well. So, Novusterra and itself knock on wood here very shortly, it will be a profitable entity, which is really attractive based on those partnerships it had signed and the agreements it has with the DoD related parties through Kenai Defense. But ultimately, then the technology development and the commercialization of it internally through Novusterra will be tying into the electrolysis technology. The goal – the new team, the new CFO, Josh Brumbaugh, who is a phenomenal guy, has come onboard. He is getting the audits back in line. He wanted to recreate them, so that they are his work, and he feels comfortable with them. Not that there is anything wrong with the prior, but he is that kind of dedicated guy that wants to work perfectly, and then the company will re-file, assess one to go through that public process. And it will be a lot easier of a process than it was before. They won’t have to raise the $16 million the way that they are structuring it. They can do a much smaller deal. And the company doesn’t need that kind of money. So, we feel really good about it. It’s progressing nicely. The team is in place. They are focused on it. They are dedicated on it and they are hitting the milestone.

Steve Segal

Analyst · KBB Asset Management. Please proceed with your question.

And where would that be located you think? Would that be located in the Wyoming area?

Mark Jensen

Analyst · KBB Asset Management. Please proceed with your question.

Yes. I think Wyoming. I will also be throughout Kentucky. And then I am not on the Board of Members here anymore. But from my conversations with them, I believe it will end up being licensed – technology that’s licensed out to third-parties as well. And the ability to license that out to monetize it, because it’s a really unique technology products and waste material that otherwise would end up as a pollutant and the Rare Earth taken process before it goes there to be utilized.

Steve Segal

Analyst · KBB Asset Management. Please proceed with your question.

And that’s for the fly ash, right, for the ash?

Mark Jensen

Analyst · KBB Asset Management. Please proceed with your question.

Well, predominantly starting off with carbon waste materials, so.

Steve Segal

Analyst · KBB Asset Management. Please proceed with your question.

Okay.

Mark Jensen

Analyst · KBB Asset Management. Please proceed with your question.

Tying in from the coal that’s sitting on the ground, post-processing and fine particulates that couldn’t be recovered is the optimal feedstock for this, which is ultimately using electrolysis, where you can also recover the critical and rare earth elements that are present within those feedstocks as well as a free byproduct out of it.

Steve Segal

Analyst · KBB Asset Management. Please proceed with your question.

Right. Okay. Great. Thank you.

Mark Jensen

Analyst · KBB Asset Management. Please proceed with your question.

Excellent. Thank you, Steve.

Operator

Operator

Next question is from line of Kyle Gallagher with Merrill Lynch. Please proceed with your questions.

Kyle Gallagher

Analyst

Hey Mark. First off, man, thank you for your patience with all of the questions, just as a great call. Very informative, and it’s not lost on all of us, the time that you guys are sacrificing here. So, thank you on that.

Mark Jensen

Analyst

Thank you guys, we appreciate you guys taking the time.

Kyle Gallagher

Analyst

Absolutely. I am wondering if you could just kind of broadly speak to like, the length of your guys’ patent portfolio, it’s kind of specifically on the rare – the ReElement side, centered around chromatography and then the electrolysis side. I am just kind of trying to understand like, what type of a runway you have, as far as patent protection is concerned?

Mark Jensen

Analyst

Yes. So, I will walk through those relatively high level, but I will dive it in a little bit. On the produce technologies that chromatographic separation for batch processing of magnets has about 19 years to 20 years for the life left on it. So, it was originally filed as a provisional patent, and then it was filed thereafter. So, these are relatively new patents. And then the battery patent, we actually worked with Purdue on modifying that patent to run continuous multimodal chromatography that was filed as a provisional. And we actually just filed a few months ago, the actual process patent which so that will have roughly 20 years worth of life on it. Our electrolysis technologies were filed through Ohio University developed by Dr. Botte, who is on our Board. She is a genius. One of the most talented hardest working ladies I have ever met in my life, beyond my wife. I got to give her props, so…

Kyle Gallagher

Analyst

Smart man.

Mark Jensen

Analyst

Those patents price, roughly there are about five patents including the patents we sold to Novusterra have roughly about 15 years for the life on them. So, we have a pretty long runway on all of our patent portfolio. Now, we are also working on about three additional patents around our process chain for various materials. And hopefully get at least one or two of those filed here within the next six months.

Kyle Gallagher

Analyst

Got it. And then just last thing for me. I am kind of trying to read between the lines here a little bit and just in listening to the call, but hope maybe you can kind of just speak to it like, do you think it’s a fair characterization? I am trying to look at your guys’ business, specifically on the ReElement side and think, I understand on a high level, you guys have positioned the ReElement business that what you feel is the bottleneck and the process as far as the purification and recycling of these rare earth elements. As you guys are ramping that business up, what do you see the bottlenecks to ramping that business? Is it more on the securing feedstock side offtake agreements, or is it just simply the process of, hey, these companies, there is plenty of feedstock, there is plenty of offtake, it’s just more working to the process with those companies, to your point for them to see you, see the technology and make sure that you are the right partner? Could you maybe just provide a little bit of clarity on kind of that portion of the business?

Mark Jensen

Analyst

Yes. I am going to work my way from the end of your question backwards. Offtake wise, the people, there has been a lot of offtake signed in the industry, through people that had prior relationships with those firms. But what people don’t realize is those firms aren’t actually up and running. So, most battery manufacturers that have announced production in the United States are anticipating running by 2025, 2026. So, they are not actually supplying material yet. That being said, offtakes we don’t believe are going to be a problem. One, domestically everybody is searching for IRA compliant material. Our process enables IRA compliant material, we – there as nobody that refines rare earth elements in the country other than us. And then on the battery side, you have our competitors, like Lifecycle or Ascend. They have – Ascend has a unique technology where they can produce cam material. That’s also going to a customer and trying to tell them to take a new product that changes how they do things today. We produce isolated, highly purified elements back to effectively better than the version of ore. That gives us the ability to have a lot more flexibility and our customers to have a lot more flexibility. So, we do not anticipate based on our conversations and based on the feedback of having issues with off-takes. I think we could sell everything into this industry 10x over, which is a great palm to have, especially the purities that we produce there. Now, as we work with the battery manufacturers of showcasing our technology on a co-location aspect, there is definitely I mean we are bringing a new technology – not a new technology, an existing technology to a new application. That is they have to – they want to…

Tom Sauve

Analyst

I can jump in here to an add some color, Kyle. As regards to feedstock, yes, it’s probably the biggest bottleneck. Especially on the recycling side is more batteries become closer to end of life, or get the end of life. Obviously, with the adoption of EV and other technologies, those supply sources will grow. But the flexibility of our technology allows us to navigate through those bottlenecks of feedstock supply. And that’s why we have not pivoted, but looked at natural occurring sources of lithium in spodumene ore that come from the African continent, because they today are producing lithium spodumene. They are exporting it to China in a raw form to be processed. Getting our hands on those types of feedstocks today is key for us. Currently, there is a lot of lithium projects being explored and developed in the United States. And there is also need for permit reform. I think everybody can understand that here. But to get a mine up and running here in the United States takes somewhere between 10 years and 15 years, just given all the regulatory constraints that we that here in the United States. And those are good from an environmental standpoint, and labor standpoint and everything like that. And that’s why our technology, the flexibility of our technology fits really well within and solves those constraints in the supply chain, because we can navigate it, we can co locate abroad where we can add value of producing purified resources, as well as growing congruently with the market on the recycling side, where we don’t have to make massive CapEx that hope that the supplies – those feedstock supplies pick up, or if there is a big chasm there between deploying that capacity and not having the feedstocks to feed it, which is going to – which we think will probably cause a problem in the recycling space as other refining methods attempt to be deployed, if that makes sense.

Kyle Gallagher

Analyst

Yes. Thanks a lot guys. Appreciate it. And it’s been really fun to watch the development of the company here and bringing these new technologies online. So, thanks again guys.

Mark Jensen

Analyst

Thank you for your time.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our final questions in from the line of Derrick Stone, private investor. Please proceed with your questions.

Derrick Stone

Analyst

Concerning the ReElement, can you tell us with – for the SEC filing, is there any more input required from American Resources, or any kind of additional feedback that might – what that means for the timing of the spin off?

Mark Jensen

Analyst

Yes. So, we filed the initial Form 10. The SEC came back with some very good questions, just pretty standard questions, just understanding how the management team would work and stuff of that nature. We have responded to those questions, but we are also waiting to – we have had those answers and ready to re-file it. But the filing would stale without our fourth quarter numbers in there. So, we needed a way for our audit. So, are we intend within the next week to re-file that again. We think it could happen pretty quickly from there. Their questions were relatively standard. I can’t go into too much detail, but nothing that would prevent this from happening. But it was just we are working through that process. We needed to get the 10-K filed and now that we have got that filed, and we can re-file the amended Form 10 to push that through to fruition.

Tom Sauve

Analyst

I can add some additional comments Derrick as well. I mean as we work through that SEC comment process. Like Mark said there was nothing catastrophic in those questions or comments and we continue to work. And it’s hard to comment on the timing of that process. But I will say that are – we are focused on from spinning out the ReElement Technology is creating value for our shareholders. This is not an exercise of speed. This is an exercise of value. We feel really good about where the ReElement division stands as far as the spin out goes as well. We want to make sure that we do right for all of our shareholders and extracting the commensurate value, which we think is worth and Mark said we – our intention is to build ReElement into a multibillion dollar company. We think we have the team and we think we have a line of sight to do that. And we want that to be represented in the value of the spin out, just not – we just don’t want to spin it out for the sake of speed. We want to spin it out for the sake of extracting value for all of our shareholders.

Derrick Stone

Analyst

So, could there be another round of questions from the SEC, when you re-file?

Tom Sauve

Analyst

It’s hard to say, we can’t. It’s absolutely, that’s definitely a possibility. But lots of wait and see.

Derrick Stone

Analyst

And is there going to be a situation where you then have to wait for a 10-Q for the first quarter and re-file again. Is it just the 10-K for once a year that cause that?

Tom Sauve

Analyst

It’s hard to speak on the timing of it. Yes.

Mark Jensen

Analyst

Yes, it’s hard. I mean I wish we could give you a lot of clarity on that. If the 10-Q would need to be re-filed, if there is – so by the time that it would come out, again, with the numbers go sale potentially. We hope to move quickly. But we – and obviously, we believe it’s in the best interest of the investors to do it. We will move it as quickly as we possibly can, but the SEC is going to do what it does. And we appreciate the fact that what they do. I mean they are although protecting all of us. So, they will run their process. We will respond as expeditiously as we can to answer their questions, should they have any additional questions and push this process forward as quickly as we possibly can.

Derrick Stone

Analyst

Alright. Thank you.

Mark Jensen

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. I am going to turn the floor back to Mark LaVerghetta for any closing remarks.

Mark LaVerghetta

Analyst

Yes. As far as our team at ReElement and American Resources, we thank everybody for the time they spent on this conference call as well as being valued shareholders, we don’t take it lightly. We as the largest shareholder group of American Resources, we are here to build long-term value for our shareholders and that’s what we plan to do. So, again, thanks everybody for the time today and for your interest and we look forward to keeping you updated in future progression and future updates.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. This will conclude today’s conference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.