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Operator

Operator

Good morning. Welcome to the Exterran Holdings, Inc. and Exterran Partners L.P. Second Quarter 2012 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, I'd like to inform you this conference is being recorded. [Operator Instructions] Earlier today, Exterran Holdings and Exterran Partners released their financial results for the second quarter ended June 30, 2012. If you have not received copies, you can find the information on the company's website at exterran.com. During this call, the companies will discuss some non-GAAP measures in reviewing their performance such as EBITDA as adjusted, EBITDA as further adjusted, gross margin, gross margin as adjusted and distributable cash flow. You will find definitions and a reconciliation of these measures to GAAP measures in the summary pages of the earnings release on the company's website at exterran.com. During today's call, Exterran Holdings may be referred to as Exterran or EXH, and Exterran Partners as either Exterran Partners or EXLP. Because EXLP's financial results and position are consolidated into Exterran, the discussion of Exterran will include Exterran Partners unless otherwise noted. I want to remind listeners that the news release issued this morning by Exterran Holdings and Exterran Partners, the company's prepared remarks on this conference call and the related question-and-answer session include forward-looking statements. These forward-looking statements include projections and expectations of the company's performance and represent the company's current beliefs. Various factors could cause results to differ materially from those projected in the forward-looking statements. Information concerning these risk factors, challenges and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those in the forward-looking statements can be found in the company's press release, as well as in the Exterran Holdings' annual report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2011, Exterran Partners' annual report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2011, and those set forth from time to time in Exterran Holdings' and Exterran Partners' filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, which are currently available at exterran.com. Except as required by law, the companies expressly disclaim any intention or obligation to revise or update any forward-looking statements. Your host for this morning's call is Brad Childers, President and CEO of Exterran Holdings and Exterran Partners. I would now like to turn the call over, please go ahead.

D. Childers

Management

Thank you. Good morning, everyone. With me today is Bill Austin, CFO of Exterran Holdings; and David Miller, CFO of Exterran Partners. In addition, Mark Sotir, Executive Vice Chairman of Exterran Holdings, has also joined us. On today's call, I will review our second quarter results and provide an update on our operations improvement work in the quarter. Let me begin by saying we had a good quarter. And our focus on improving our operating performance led to solid financial results in all of our business lines. At Exterran Holdings, EBITDA as adjusted was $101 million in the second quarter, which is a 23% improvement over the year ago period. And our fabrication backlog was nearly $1.3 billion, up 75% over the prior year level. At Exterran Partners, we had significant year-over-year growth in EBITDA and distributable cash flow, driven by our drop-down strategy. As in prior quarters, on today's call, I will discuss our performance in the context of our 4 key 2012 objectives. These are: Focusing our profitability by improving cost and pricing, disciplined growth, managing our portfolio of businesses, and reducing leverage at the Exterran Holdings level. First, we are working on improving our profitability through cost and pricing initiatives in each of our core business lines. Starting with fabrication. We booked a lot of business in the quarter and achieved our highest fabrication backlog in over 4 years. As important, we have a higher gross margin percentage embedded in this backlog, which will lead to higher margins for the remainder of the year, both in terms of dollars and percentage. These improvements are a direct result of the centralization of our pricing decision-making, which has allowed us to impose more discipline in our system and increase pricing of our products as we meet market demand. Further,…

William Austin

Management

Thanks, Brad, and good morning to everyone. I do understand that there are a lot of moving parts in our performance for the quarter. It is a bit noisy but I will try to address some issues in several parts here. Number one, I will highlight a number of financial results. I'll give guidance for the third quarter and some targets for the remainder of the year. And finally, some comments on the earning power of the company and the improvement in our financial health. First, Exterran had another good quarter. We accomplished a great deal operationally and financially. And this provides us with much greater visibility regarding the second half of the year. We expect continued improvement in both the third and fourth quarter. Now, due to the planned sale of our operations in Canada, the Canadian contract operations and aftermarket services businesses have been reflected as discontinued operations in both our current and historical financial results. So our operating results for the second quarter of 2012 and prior periods do not include any contribution from these Canadian operations. Also included in discontinued operations for the current period is an impairment of intangible assets and long-lived assets that totaled some $40.8 million related to the planned sale. Now let's look at some of the results. As Brad indicated, we generated EBITDA as adjusted of $101.5 million for the second quarter as compared to $96.2 million in the first quarter of 2012. During this second quarter, we received our first installment payment in the sale of our joint venture assets in Venezuela. This cash payment of $4.7 million was not included in the EBITDA as adjusted. However, we did incur charges of some $7.6 million related to sales tax audit associated with prior years, which were included and reduced our…

David Miller

Chief Financial Officer

Thanks, Bill. Exterran Partners had another good quarter of performance, including significant year-over-year growth in EBITDA and distributable cash flow, driven by a drop-down strategy. Revenue was $97.2 million in the second quarter as compared to $88.7 million in the first quarter, benefiting from a full quarter contribution from the March 2012 drop-down. Operating horsepower declined around 9,500 horsepower in the quarter to approximately 1.91 million operating horsepower as the growth in liquids rich and shale plays was offset by declines in dry gas areas. EXLP generated EBITDA as further adjusted of $45 million in the second quarter as compared to $40 million in the first quarter. Distributable cash flow was $27.3 million in the second quarter, up from $26.9 million in the first quarter. Distributable cash flow covered the second quarter distribution by 1.2x. As a result of our performance initiatives, lower lease expenses and the ad valorem tax benefit discussed earlier by Brad and Bill, cost of sales, excluding depreciation and amortization per average operating horsepower, was $23.72 in the second quarter, down 14% from prior year levels. Earlier this week, EXLP announced a quarterly distribution increase for the second quarter of 2012 and its distribution is now $2.01 on an annualized basis. This distribution is a $0.005 higher than the first quarter of 2012 distribution and $0.02 higher than the second quarter of 2011 distribution. In conjunction with the previously discussed fleet review at Exterran Partners, we plan to retire approximately 250 idle compressor units or approximately 67,000 horsepower. Exterran Partners recorded a long-lived asset impairment of $28.1 million, including $20.7 million related to these units and $7.4 million related to the further impairment of units originally impaired in the fourth quarter of 2010. These impairments are a subset of the impairments Bill discussed in the Exterran…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And our first question comes from Mike Urban from Deutsche Bank.

Michael Urban

Analyst · Deutsche Bank

Just wanted to get a sense for -- I know it's difficult to break out, but a sense for the progress in the North American business there. So you had some moving parts with Canada coming out, obviously, activity levels down for the quarter, a price increase ongoing, rationalization of the business. So apples-to-apples, if all those things were the same quarter-over-quarter, activity levels and what have you in the mix, would your margin have been higher based on some of the initiatives that you've been putting in place?

D. Childers

Management

Mike, it's Brad. In short, incrementally, so what we had for some top line movements in the contract operations business, even taking Canada out of comparable periods is we had -- one of the plants that we operate in our contract operations business in the Permian was shut down for about half a month with significant impact for that operation, and we had some of our other non-contract business, our water business, loosen revenue or have some revenue declined again incrementally, but adding these up, they impacted that top line performance. And then in contract operations itself, we didn't get quite the level of horsepower gains we've wanted so that was the kind of the third incremental hit to that top line revenue performance. But normalizing those period over period, it was flat. Had we had those, I think we would had incremental positives but our pricing increase is in stock and our cost initiatives continue to work. And so we would have delivered I think slightly and incrementally better without that noise on the top line and that doesn't include just the Canada coming out period over period.

Michael Urban

Analyst · Deutsche Bank

Okay, that's helpful. And great increase on the bookings and backlog in the fabrication business and as you alluded, the margins are coming higher now. You can see that coming through a little bit in the guidance. Just wanted to get a sense for the timing of when that runs through? Is that pretty proportionately or are there any kind of long time -- sorry, long term projects in there that come a little later or is it pretty proportionately as we go over the next several quarters here?

William Austin

Management

Some of that backlog is a little longer -- I'm sorry. Mike, this is Bill. Some of that backlog is a little bit longer than what we've had in the past because the installations run out a little bit longer. But the backlog is there, and what you're seeing in my guidance for the third quarter and then hopefully a little stronger in the fourth quarter, is you are starting to see that build in the fabrication.

Michael Urban

Analyst · Deutsche Bank

Okay. And as far as the pricing and margin and backlog, again, we can see some of that beginning to flow through in the third quarter per your guidance but presumably, there's a timing and a mix impact there, I'm still running off some older business. On a leading-edge basis, how much higher on average, would you say, your pricing, your embedded margin is versus kind of that say 10% or so level you been at in recent quarters?

D. Childers

Management

On a longer term basis, we're pretty comfortable guiding through the third quarter on that, but not looking too much further out right now. We still have some significant heavy lifting and cost work to do in our fabrication segments. And that's in all the product lines and I've got a lot of confidence that the focus that we're bringing on, managing cost and improving efficiency, are going to pay off and continue to push those margins up. But getting them up right now, we're in that too, with a little more room upside that we see in this year to see those margins move up and we're pretty pleased to see that progress and we will follow that up with more progress.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Jim Rollyson from Raymond James.

James Rollyson

Analyst · Raymond James

You mentioned earlier in the comments about exiting or expecting to exit the year with about the same amount of active horsepower as you started with, which I think you said, implies improvement in second half. Curious where that comes from because from the standpoint of liquid basins versus dry gas, since you had noted, probably getting some tractions in the liquids basins and obviously, things have been a little bit soft in dry gas, but the gas recovering little bit, just kind of curious where -- how that's playing out.

D. Childers

Management

Sure. I mean, a little bit soft in dry gas is a very generous statement at current price levels or especially price levels that we saw on the first half of this year for natural gas. We're really seeing the activity in the bump in growth coming in the liquids-prone basins. So anything in particular, the Eagle Ford is still the leader for us right now in putting out our horsepower. And it's coupled with, at the current moderate -- more moderated gas prices, we're not expecting the same level of stopped activity in the back half of the year. But based upon our book of business right now, what we do see are some pretty good bookings in the liquids-rich areas to make up that difference, Jim. That's where it's coming from.

James Rollyson

Analyst · Raymond James

All right, makes sense. On the retirement side, a couple of questions around that. Number 1, is this it for now or do you think there is possibly more to come in the next few quarters? And number 2, you mentioned it having a positive impact on your cost structure. Could you maybe elaborate a little bit on that?

D. Childers

Management

Sure. I can give you some framework on that. So first, we expect that there will be some discussion on this for the quarter, and let me just lay out a couple of thoughts on this. So this equipment on average is 24 years old and we have an average a life of our equipment of 25 years, and so this includes some pretty veteran units in their retirement. So that context is, I think, important when you think of the average life of the unit of 25 years, that this stuff is right at that point, so it's kind of point 1. Point 2, I can confidently say this is it for now, but I can also tell you that we have a fleet to manage and over the long haul, we've got to both add horsepower to the fleet and remove horsepower from the fleet. And so this is it for now. And I feel pretty good about the past coal activity that has put us in a good position, and when I think about that, we've taken now about 1.3 million horsepower of old equipment out of the fleet up through this most recent hit. And that's equipment we don't think we should be spending money on and taking it out of the fleet makes good operational sense and makes good financial sense. And that puts us in a position where what we believe is that with the idle equipment we have now, coupled with our new build program, we have good flexibility, good number of units that we can invest in, put back to work and grow profits and grow that application profitably. So yes, this is it for now, feel real good about operating this fleet going forward, but it is a fleet.

James Rollyson

Analyst · Raymond James

Okay. And last one, you guys referenced the SG&A comments for holdings, curious on Partners'. You've been running a little bit higher for the last couple of quarters compared with what your run rate had been. What are your thoughts on that going forward?

David Miller

Chief Financial Officer

I think I understood the question correctly. The costs are up a little bit this quarter because of the full impact of the drop-down.

James Rollyson

Analyst · Raymond James

Is that -- are we at a run rate that we should expect kind of going forward into this $12 million, $13 million type range?

David Miller

Chief Financial Officer

Yes, that's what I believe it is.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Joe Gibney from Capital One.

Joseph Gibney

Analyst · Capital One

That's a refreshing problem to have, but just curious on the capacity and the process of treating side within fab. And I know you guys were roughly sold out on your Broken Arrow facility, kind of through midyear '13, I'm just kind of curious where that stands today, given the nice uptick and order flow we've had in the 1Q and that piggybacked obviously in the 2Q as well, just things obviously are kind of tight there, just kind of curious about perspective.

D. Childers

Management

Yes. It's still tight. We've booked that up now, we think, through most of '13, from a capacity perspective. So we're really happy about that. It is a high class problem to have but the booking goes up nicely as the markets tightened up.

Joseph Gibney

Analyst · Capital One

Okay, helpful. And Brad, just high level, could you just talk a little bit about your efforts on process improvement within your international fabs? I think you got a quarter of roughly mix there on international, a little bit disproportionately lower than I'm sure you want it to be. Talk a little bit about the project management team, retooling and some of the bid, no-bid discipline you guys are trying to put in place, just kind of curious of your perspective there, how things are coming along and maybe how much you think international petrol weight within fab in the next year.

D. Childers

Management

Sure. I mean, that's a -- it's a big question. Let me try to give you some kind of some bullets that we're focused on. So the number one, I've got to point out that this move that we're making this quarter to Aldridge is a part about -- a part of our efforts to really rationalize our capacity and our footprint globally, to improve -- realign our cost structure and our delivery structure to the markets that we serve. And so that's not a small step in trying to address profitability. And we're going to continue to work on those footprint issues within our fabrication business overall. Another way we've done that is to expand or to take advantage of idle capacity in our existing facilities. And so that's improving margin by putting in some of our -- the robust market-driven product lines like pressing and treating and PEQ. In particular, we're adding in the ability to fabricate in our other facilities that were not previously used for those product lines to take advantage of that spare capacity and also expand the capacity overall where the market wants more capacity, that's giving some uplift on improving profitability. And then finally, I'll hit the one you said on the bid, no-bid. We have a good process in place now driven by our product line teams to ensure that as projects come in, there's more discipline brought on the front end of those projects to be much more efficient in putting together proposals where we have the opportunity to make good returns and to win. And downgrading, and not spending a lot of time, resources and energy on projects that don't meet those 2 criteria, so that process is in place and we'll forget about how it's operating right now. So that gives you 3 bullets on that previous question. We have to go further, if there's something else that I didn't hit that you wanted to really hear about.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Daniel Burke from Johnson Rice.

Daniel Burke

Analyst · Johnson Rice

A couple of questions. On the fabrication backlog, good to see that backlog continued to grow and better embedded margins. The mix shift over the last year, year-over-year and sequentially, looks to be installation. How do we think about margins in installation versus in, I'll just call it, your traditional backlog?

D. Childers

Management

Sure. I'll hit that one. As this has become an increasingly important part of our business, we had to move into the backlog and that was a concern for us too as we see the expansion of that scope of work, primarily around our processing and treating plants. But for purposes of margin comparability, it's north of the 10% range you're seeing right now in the backlog that we have embedded in our business and in that installation business going forward. I will highlight that the rest of the market, however, is not necessarily there, that, that is -- that EPC business has traditionally been a pretty low margin business, more in the 10% range. And so there's a reference, and a 10% or higher, but it hasn't been a high margin business. Historically, it's very competitive, but the margin embedded in our backlog is better than that and it compares more favorably to our processing and treating and project [ph] for the product lines.

Daniel Burke

Analyst · Johnson Rice

Okay, that's helpful. And I'll stick with margin then, I know it was a relatively small, but the removal of Canada from aftermarket, did that -- what impact did that have on margin in Q2 and outlook for margin in aftermarket?

D. Childers

Management

Yes. I'm going to get -- I'm going to ask somebody to correct me if I get this wrong. But with the growth that we made in revenue in aftermarket, that was on the top line revenue that was even absorbing a reduction of I think about $11 million out of Canada, and it -- but it operates at a lower margin than we're seeing right now that we're achieving our overall North American business, but that gives you the top line.

William Austin

Management

But we would have had better EBITDA coming from there, but not better margin.

Daniel Burke

Analyst · Johnson Rice

Okay. You would have more EBITDA but not as strong a margin in margin percentage in Q2 if Canada have stayed in the fold is what you said, Bill. Is that right?

William Austin

Management

That is correct.

Daniel Burke

Analyst · Johnson Rice

All right. And I'll squeeze one more in. On international contract, I think what I heard was revenue guidance is up year-over-year in Q4. But I mean Q3's revenue guidance would indicate you'd be up versus the Q4 '11 run rate. Is the right way to think about it that Q3 to Q4 is pretty flat in international then?

D. Childers

Management

I don't have the Q-over-Q numbers in front of me but we are seeing -- we have a lot of horsepower going to work in Q3, it's -- that we look to the impact in Q4 more fully. So I can't tell you off the top that's going to be the case, but what we do look at is that we're going to see revenue increase in Q3 and Q4. But just the timing of those starts is not exactly recorded in that revenue impact. And I don't have that quarterly number in front of me, sorry.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Grace Heldig [ph] from Franklin Templeton.

Unknown Analyst

Analyst

Just a question about the impairment you took against your fleet. That charge strikes me as particularly large for assets that were almost completely through their useful lives. Could you just speak to that for a second?

D. Childers

Management

Yes, I can. The way to think about this fleet is this was a fleet that, in a large part, and maybe in the largest part, was accumulated through acquisitions from the mid-90s through the early 2002 period. And those acquisitions were, of course, cash flow driven transactions. And what was on our books, with some of these older equipment that was acquired through those acquisitions, was the impact of purchase accounting. And so that's why you're right. If we just run these on a straight line basis, we would've have had a very limited financial impact to taking these and removing these from the fleet, and so this -- but significant to the sizable impairment you're seeing is really driven by that acquisition history.

Unknown Analyst

Analyst

And do you continue to have acquisition units in your fleet that could be subject to further impairment? I mean, I understand that it's noncash, but it's still a significant part of your equity and I guess if that remains, equity keeps going down and debt keeps going up, which typically isn't a happy equation.

D. Childers

Management

Yes, I understand that, a valid point. Yes, there are still units in our fleet that were certainly acquired through that acquisition process. We are, however, pretty comfortable looking at the fleet and our ability to make good returns and utilize this equipment going forward at this point.

Unknown Analyst

Analyst

Okay. And just -- do you have a tangible equity covenant in any of your debt?

William Austin

Management

We do not.

Unknown Analyst

Analyst

Okay. Could you just review what those -- quickly what those covenants are?

William Austin

Management

They are just generally EBITDA covenants, and I'll have to look to David. Okay, I guess on the current total debt to EBITDA must be less than 5x. The secured debt to EBITDA must be less than 4x, and the EBITDA, the interest greater than 2.25x.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Tom Curran from Wells Fargo.

Tom Curran

Analyst · Wells Fargo

Bill, if you have the numbers available, great. If not, I can just follow-up with David offline. But do you have 4 installation bookings in the quarter? What was the split between the U.S. and international? And then how many discrete or individual awards it involved?

William Austin

Management

Well, I can talk to the total fabrication. In North America, the bookings were 75% in North America, and 24% -- 25% international. We don't break out the installation bookings but they were predominantly in North America.

Tom Curran

Analyst · Wells Fargo

They were. Okay. And then turning to international contract ops. If the numbers I have are correct, the backlog was basically cut in half from the end of Q1 to Q2 from $60 million to $30 million. Based on your shorter cycle or nearer term opportunities that's in your expected probability weighted win rate, where would you exit the year, backlog wise, according to your current guidance?

William Austin

Management

Well, Tom, good question. We don't project that as such. But you're right. The backlog, a fair amount of that has been installed into a question that went before. The run rate in the fourth quarter will be higher and we are going to show progress, both run rate in the third quarter to the fourth quarter. But I don't have a nice projection of what the new bookings based on probability or whatever will come in the third and fourth quarter for the international comps and comps [ph]. We do have opportunity, we just don't have anything comps those waited on there.

Tom Curran

Analyst · Wells Fargo

Okay. And then strategically, I guess this might be more of a question for Brad. But you guys have a had pretty impressive success partnering with Petrofac in Iraq when it comes to the early production skid sales. Looking downstream for Belleli, is there any kind of similar opportunity to work with them more broadly in the region or even globally?

D. Childers

Management

Sure. So we have utilized Belleli in -- as our EPC arm for the some of the markets in the Middle East where they certainly have great experience, and we see opportunities to take our products to bear. So the short answer to that is yes. We have worked Belleli in that way and there is a good chance we could find a marriage there to deploy them as our arm for EPC work in that part of the world.

Tom Curran

Analyst · Wells Fargo

Great, just one last one for me. Again, based on your current guidance, looking at Q2 or -- I'm sorry, Q3 and then ideally, Q4 as well, what is the expected revenue mix between compression and PNP for fabrication?

William Austin

Management

Let me look at that, Tom. We don't have it. I have it in the backlog and I don't have it at my disposal right now, but I'll get back right to you to give you that kind of break out.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Blake Hutchinson from Howard Weil.

Blake Hutchinson

Analyst · Howard Weil

Can we talk about the asset impairment and previous impairments from kind of a practical level? I mean, is this equipment efficiently going to be cut up and cease to exist? And I know from previous impairments, there has been some equipment that's been held from sale, have we kind of given up on that and we're really practically here removing horsepower from the market at large?

D. Childers

Management

It's going to be mixed. Some of the equipment, we'll certainly scrap. Some of it we'll set aside and harvest for -- especially, hard to find parts, based on the age of some of that equipment and just part out, and some of it, we will try to put into the market if it makes sense to do so for pricing, and taking into account pricing and the value of cash flow and competitive considerations. So since we have a market where we think there's too much equipment available, certainly taking it out of the market entirely is something that is attractive for a bunch of that equipment. But where we can sell it for value, we're going to sell it for value.

Blake Hutchinson

Analyst · Howard Weil

Okay, good. And then if we look at, I mean, just an estimation perhaps here, if we look at what is still listed as idle in the North American fleet, is there a big disparity in the kind of average age of that equipment? And the purpose of this question is more thematically, we talked about trying to get some idle equipment into international markets and with that equipment, if listed, would it still be attractive, in your opinion, to those markets? Or do we end up having to make kind of more new capital equipments if we get horsepower base opportunities internationally?

D. Childers

Management

Both. And a lot of that equipment are very suitable to get to work in North America, as well as internationally. And larger horsepower applications, both in the U.S. and in international, however, will also require some new build. So it's both. It's remaining -- it's very good. Let me just point out too that taking the step, we reduced the average age of our fleet from approximately 20 years to something like 15 years and it's not just at the age is what's at issue, but the packaging standards and the standard equipment that is in the younger parts of our fleet are more suitable to all markets and especially the current growth markets. So taking these actions is really important for us to improve the competitiveness and the returns on our investments going forward.

Blake Hutchinson

Analyst · Howard Weil

Great, that's a good answer. And then Bill, just on the guidance, I think I caught that the ad valorem tax benefit would continue to benefit you in Q3 but the margin guidance seems to suggest -- margin guidance goes back to 1Q levels in North America. Did I hear you wrong that the ad valorem tax benefit continues?

William Austin

Management

Yes, Blake, about half of that continues. And so we will get that benefit on a go-forward basis. The guidance of -- back to the first quarter, we still want to stick with that. There are some other expenses but we're -- that's our guidance for the quarter anyway. We expect a lot more of that to come through in the fourth quarter.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Marc Silverberg from Barclays.

Marc Silverberg

Analyst · Barclays

Just one last standing for me. On the Partners side, just looking at your revenue on a per operating horsepower basis, it looks like that jumped quite materially during the quarter, certainly more so than I'd expect to be attributable to the price increase you had. Is that related to the skews which are more liquids related unit deployment or is it something else that maybe driving that?

William Austin

Management

I think the main driver in there is you're dividing total revenue by operating horsepower and we dropped down a processing plant in the last drop-down, and so that would skew the revenues up a little bit. Some improvement in our operating -- in our contract operations revenue, but I think it's also boosted by the operating plant, process plant.

Marc Silverberg

Analyst · Barclays

So would you say current levels are pretty good to run with based on how much new contribution you have on the processing side?

William Austin

Management

Yes.

Operator

Operator

And we have no further questions at this time. I will now turn the call back over for any closing remarks.

D. Childers

Management

Great. Well, look, thanks, everybody, for participating in this quarter's call, and we look forward to talking to you following the next quarter. Thanks very much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.