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ARMOUR Residential REIT, Inc. (ARR)

Q2 2021 Earnings Call· Fri, Jul 23, 2021

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Operator

Operator

Good day, and welcome to the ARMOUR Residential REIT Second Quarter 2021 Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions] After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. [Operator Instructions] Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Jim Mountain, CFO. Please go ahead.

Jim Mountain

Analyst

Thank you, Sarah. And thank you all for joining our call to discuss ARMOUR's second quarter 2021 results. This morning, I'm joined by ARMOUR's Co-CEOs Scott Ulm and Jeff Zimmer; Mark Gruber, our CIO is also with us this morning. By now, everyone has access to ARMOUR's earnings release, which can be found on ARMOUR's website www.armourreit.com. This conference call may contain statements that are not recitations of historical fact and therefore constitute forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. All such forward-looking statements are intended to be subject to the safe harbor protections provided by the Reform Act. Actual outcomes and results could differ materially from the outcomes and results expressed or implied by the forward-looking statements due to the impact of many factors beyond the control of ARMOUR. Certain factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those contained in the forward-looking statements are included in the Risk Factors section of ARMOUR's periodic reports filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Copies are available at the SEC's website, www.sec.gov. All forward-looking statements included in this conference call are made only as of today's date and are subject to change without notice. We disclaim any obligation to update our forward-looking statements unless we are required to do so by law. Also, our discussion today may include references to certain non-GAAP measures. A reconciliation of these measures to our most comparable GAAP measure is included in our earnings release, which can also be found on ARMOUR's website. An online replay of this conference call will be available on ARMOUR's website shortly and will continue for one year. ARMOUR continues to concentrate its portfolio activity in Agency MBS for the foreseeable future. Quarter-end book value was $11.28 per common share. The quarter-over-quarter…

Scott Ulm

Analyst

Thanks, Jim. Crossroads hit financial markets in July, while COVID seemed to be in retreat in the second quarter, rapidly increasing infections driven by the spread of the delta variant in July sparked concerns about renewed business restrictions. In the opposite direction, the pace of the global economic reopening kept on an upswing with an abundance of liquidity from fiscal and monetary policies. A strong rebound in growth created outsized imbalances between demand and supply of labor and materials, pushing producer and consumer prices above historic averages. Dismissive increases in prices is largely transitory, the Fed has pointed to the low level of labor participation and the existing slack in labor markets is the main reasons to keep its monetary policy accommodative for the foreseeable future. Despite these assurances to the market, the U.S. treasury yield curve flattened significantly, signaling greater uncertainty around the strength of economic growth once monetary accommodation is removed. The outright yields on the ten-year treasury decreased from 1.74% to 1.47% during the second quarter, and dropped as low as 1.19% in July and even lower intraday. Similarly, the yield spreads between the twos, tens and fives, thirties on the treasury curve flattened considerably by approximately 36 basis points and 28 basis points, respectively, in the second quarter. In the mortgage market, the option-adjusted spreads on Fannie 2s widened significantly from their historic types observed in the first quarter. As of June 30, the OAS’ on 30-year Fannie 2s and Fannie 2.5s widened by 14 basis points and 17 basis points, respectively, since the end of the first quarter. For the month of July, we've seen a widening of an additional 3 basis points and 4 basis points in those coupons, respectively. While this widening has impacted book value, it has significantly improved reinvestment opportunities. Spreads…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] First question comes from Doug Harter with Credit Suisse. Please go ahead.

Doug Harter

Analyst

Thanks. You guys mentioned in your prepared remarks that the returns on new investments are improving. Can you just quantify that where you see incremental investment returns today and just if you could put that in context of where that was three months ago.

Jeff Zimmer

Analyst

Sure Doug, it’s Jeff. Good morning. So, returns on specified pools have improved by 200 to 450 basis points depending on the coupon. There are specified pools now that have double-digit returns. And that's – the way we look at that is we run a generic eight times leverage, 50% hedged, but to a 0.5 duration, sousing all that criteria we're seeing low double digits on some TBAs, that's an asset that might be 10.5% or 11% return, now was 6% perhaps six to nine weeks ago. So that's kind of moves you see in there. The dollar rolls at one point got crazy, you're getting returns of 20%, 22%, and they're now in the 12% to 16% depending on the coupon, and we expect over time that you would see those dollar rolls returns probably go down as the Fed quits buying, but that's a little bit about waiting for [indiscernible]. That will happen, but probably not in this quarter. Now in terms of marginal cash then, you could actually invest equal or better to your dividend rate, if that's what you're asking.

Doug Harter

Analyst

Got it. And then just on that comment you just made about eventually expecting dollar rolls to kind of normalize. I guess just how do you think about portfolio construction and kind of how to think about the trade-off of owning pools versus TBAs in that – with that as a backdrop?

Jeff Zimmer

Analyst

Yes. So right now, we're approximately 50/50 TBAs and specified, and we would anticipate over time that as the Fed moves out of the TBA market, that also specified prices or returns would improve as well. So, at that period of time, we would morph from some of our dollar roll positions into our specifieds, but let's go back even two years ago, we were 20%, 22%-dollar rolls. So, there are and will be always opportunities in the dollar roll market. Now, it's not just the Fed that buys in the front month Doug that helps that out. While the mortgage banker activity is very heavy, they're oftentimes hedging 60, 90, even 120 days out. So, that puts pressure on one, two, three months out of prices. So – and that's what creates the opportunity with the Fed buying in the front month, just exacerbates that makes it even better. So, we anticipate exposure to dollar rolls, but wouldn't be surprised if we talked a year from now and it's 20% to 25% of portfolio.

Doug Harter

Analyst

Great. Appreciate it.

Jeff Zimmer

Analyst

Well, thanks very much for calling in.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Trevor Cranston with JMP Securities. Please go ahead.

Trevor Cranston

Analyst · JMP Securities. Please go ahead.

Thanks. To follow-up on the questions about the new investment opportunities, where you guys see things today, do you consider the reinvestment opportunity attractive enough that you would start taking your leverage back up towards your more historical average levels or do you guys want to continue to hold on to some dry powder anticipating that new investment returns could get even more attractive than where they are at currently? Thanks.

Jeff Zimmer

Analyst · JMP Securities. Please go ahead.

Trevor, good morning, it’s Jeff again. We're going to be very slow about increasing our leverage. So, I'm looking at a chart right now. If I go to the last couple of days of April, LIBOR OAS' on Fannie 2.5s were negative 23. Everybody's model is a little different. Okay. I look at them today, they are about 5. Historically, they should be 20 wider than that. Now, we weren't trading Fannie 2.5s 10 years ago either. So, we have to look at what the current coupon is, and a number of your broker-dealer brethrens can provide those kinds of charts for you. I look at Fannie 3s and at that same date in April, they were negative 2 to 5 OAS LIBOR, and I got them about 34 and they could probably widen another 15. So, we're not going to be able to catch the wides, and I anticipate and I think our group anticipates that a lot of the Fed tapering probably just came into the marketplace over the next six weeks. So don't expect to see our leverage go up immediately, but we are studying very closely the reinvestment opportunities as they are now equivalent to what we're paying out in dividends with a number of other coupons. And if we widen further, you'll see us start putting some money to work on. As Scott said in his comments, we’re 1.5 turns to 2 turns lower than our historic leverage numbers. And if we go back up there, that core income is going to be at your dividend rate or perhaps even exceed it.

Trevor Cranston

Analyst · JMP Securities. Please go ahead.

Got it. Okay. That's helpful. And then looking at the portfolio composition now versus last quarter, it looks like the asset durations are a little bit shorter. And the swap book increased somewhat. Could you just comment on sort of where your duration positioning is at and how that's evolved over the last few months as interest rates come back down? Thanks.

Jeff Zimmer

Analyst · JMP Securities. Please go ahead.

We've targeted over the last two to three years, maintaining a duration of the whole business of about 0.5, but what happens when you see moves in the marketplace like we've seen that duration increases, so what you're seeing from our portfolio is the rally in the 10-year as Scott said, down intraday down to 113 [ph] at one point. Those mortgage prices are quick going up, and they hit a wall, but your hedges don't, right? So, we believe it's temporary, and that duration goes back down, we believe that that will equalize, as the market kind of gets back to what we think is normal, perhaps slightly higher rates and a slightly steeper curve. And that duration, which is now closer to zero would work its way back to 0.4 to 0.5 area. So, the only reason you're seeing those assets get shorter durations is the rally in the marketplace except for the DUS [ph]. The DUS are kind of locked out and they've maintained their duration quality. Now, on the hedge side, I'd say the following. We don't anticipate at this point changing our hedging profile or the way we run our hedge book. I would note that our average pay rate is 68 basis points right now. If you were to put out 10-year OAS this morning, it is about 109. We do have 600 million of real short hedges rolling off within the next 10 months, and we will not replace those. But should we put any new assets on, we will hedge them, assuming 8 or 8.5 times leverage to where we get to a 0.5 duration. That's our target right now. Is that helpful?

Trevor Cranston

Analyst · JMP Securities. Please go ahead.

Yes, very helpful. Appreciate the comment. Thank you, guys.

Jeff Zimmer

Analyst · JMP Securities. Please go ahead.

Well, thanks for calling in.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Christopher Nolan with Ladenburg Thalmann. Please go ahead.

Christopher Nolan

Analyst · Ladenburg Thalmann. Please go ahead.

Hey, guys Jeff, in recent quarters, you articulated that you were changing the investment strategy to protect book value at the cost of EPS. Given the change in the interest rate environment since then, is there any update to the strategy that you can articulate for us?

Jeff Zimmer

Analyst · Ladenburg Thalmann. Please go ahead.

No, it's exactly the same despite the book value decrease, if we maintain our historic leverage, you would have seen decreases of similar to what some of the other firms announced, which were 300 to 400 basis points, worse than ours unfortunately. So, we maintain the lower than historic leverage to protect ourselves. And what we saw is a too tight and OAS environment. And turns out we were right. But we can't sell all our mortgages, we're in the business of providing income for our shareholders. So, as they say in that one movie, this is the business that we've chosen. So, we will remain mortgage investors, we are just not investing as much as we normally would in order to protect book value as much as we can, what equalizing and balancing that with the fact that we need to produce a dividend for our investors.

Christopher Nolan

Analyst · Ladenburg Thalmann. Please go ahead.

Got it. And then I guess, in Scott prepared comments; he indicated he's seeing an improved investment environment. Could we start seeing guys reenter the non-agency space at all?

Jeff Zimmer

Analyst · Ladenburg Thalmann. Please go ahead.

You won't see that, no.

Christopher Nolan

Analyst · Ladenburg Thalmann. Please go ahead.

Okay. And final question is, what is your outlook for prepayments going forward? I know they're up a little bit in July, but any…

Jeff Zimmer

Analyst · Ladenburg Thalmann. Please go ahead.

We actually expect them to be level for the next couple months? Now, we are getting a refi burnout here. We've been at very low rates. Ever since 2008, we've been at low rates. And now we've been at low rates, obviously, since April of last year, even lower rates. Our models have shown that's equal to what the Wall Street dealers estimate, for example, August they estimate down 4%, we're going to, we're running them at zero, so no change. They're estimating September, unchanged from August, and we're going to maybe make them up a couple percent, because we usually are very conservative in our estimates. And we haven't estimated yet for October or November. It's too early.

Christopher Nolan

Analyst · Ladenburg Thalmann. Please go ahead.

Great. Okay. That's it for me. Thank you.

Jeff Zimmer

Analyst · Ladenburg Thalmann. Please go ahead.

Thank you very much for calling in.

Operator

Operator

This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Jim Mountain for any closing remarks.

Jim Mountain

Analyst

Well, I'd like to thank everyone for joining us this morning. And as always, if there are questions or inquiries in the intervening period between now and when we gather again in another three months, feel free to give us a call at the office or send us a note. Well, as I said earlier, we're still working somewhat remotely through September. So, an e-mail and we'll get right back to you. And speaking of between now and September, August usually is a slightly slower month on the finance business. So, I hope everyone has an opportunity to unplug and recharge for a little while before we get back full speed in September, so until then, stay well.

Operator

Operator

The conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.