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Q3 2025 Earnings Call· Tue, Nov 25, 2025

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Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. My name is Christa, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome you to the Accelerant Third Quarter 2025 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to turn the conference over to [ Hamed Ali Yaqorbi ], Investor Relations Associate at the Blueshirt Group. Please go ahead.

Unknown Attendee

Analyst

Good morning, everyone. Welcome to Accelerant Third Quarter 2025 Earnings Conference Call. Joining me today to share our results are Jeff Radke, Accelerant's Co-Founder and CEO; Jay Green, Accelerant's CFO; and Ryan Schiller, Accelerant's Head of Strategy. Their remarks will be followed by a Q&A session. We issued a press release and presentation concerning our financial results for the third quarter of 2025 earlier today, and they are available on our Investor Relations website. Before we get started, I would like to remind you that our remarks today will include forward-looking statements, including those regarding our future plans, objectives, expected performance and in particular, our guidance for the fourth quarter of 2025 and full year 2026. Actual results may vary materially from today's statements. Information concerning risks, uncertainties and other factors that could cause these results to differ is included in our SEC filings, including those stated in the Risk Factors section of our filings with the SEC. These forward-looking statements represent our outlook only as of the date of this call. We undertake no obligation to revise or update any forward-looking statements. Additionally, the matters we will discuss today will include both GAAP and non-GAAP financial measures related to both our consolidated results as well as our operating segments. Reconciliation of any non-GAAP financial measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures is set forth in our earnings release. Non-GAAP financial measures should be considered in addition to, not as a substitute for GAAP measures. Finally, today's conference call is being recorded and webcast. Now I'll turn the call over to Jeff.

Jeffrey Radke

Analyst

Good morning. Before we get started, I'd like to take a moment to honor the life of our Board member, Wendy Harrington. Her sudden passing in September was deeply saddening, and our thoughts and condolences go out to her family. Thank you for joining us to discuss our third quarter results. I'm pleased to say that we had a strong quarter. We beat on both exchange written premium and adjusted EBITDA. This quarter, we've added a few new items to our quarterly earnings package. Alongside our earnings press release and 10-Q, we've provided a presentation with more detail on our company. You can find all of this material on our Investor Relations website. As a newly public company, spending a few minutes walking through our platform and how we measure success would be helpful. There are 2 sides of the Accelerant Risk Exchange, the supply side and the demand side. The supply side is driven by the specialty underwriters, our members, who underwrite specialty insurance policies. These policies fuel our exchange. The demand side consists of our risk capital partners, comprised of insurance companies, reinsurance companies and institutional investors. They pay Accelerant a fee for access to our portfolio of policies. Accelerant sits in the middle, sourcing members, monitoring them, helping them grow profitably by leveraging our technology, data and risk models. Accelerant Risk Exchange also delivers the portfolio of business to the risk capital partners efficiently. With that foundation set, let's review what we do at Accelerant in a little more detail. On the supply side, after a rigorous evaluation process, we identified the best underwriters in the small- to medium-sized specialty market and onboard them as members. They joined because of our ability to help them grow more quickly, reduce their loss ratios and increase their profits. They…

Ryan Schiller

Analyst

Thank you, Jeff. Our portfolio is made up of 1 million small single thousand dollar policies that generally speaking, renew annually. That being the case, we focus on year-over-year growth rates because these renewal cycles can distort sequential quarter-to-quarter numbers. As Jeff said, in Q3, we delivered over $1 billion of exchange written premium. Embedded within that were notable movements of 2 larger members. One onboarded in Q3 2024, had 2 quarters of premium show up in the single quarter right at the start of our relationship, but has since averaged out to its normal $30 million of premium per quarter. The other, which historically wrote roughly $50 million to $55 million of premium a quarter with us, came from an inherited arrangement in our Canadian expansion, and we put that into runoff at the end of Q2 as it had well below average unit economics for Accelerant. We had baked this into our expectations already. Excluding these 2 members, our exchange written premium grew 29% year-over-year. We will always prioritize the performance of the portfolio and move on from relationships that don't align with our goals. Our doing that is a testament to our ability to monitor the portfolio proactively and make real-time decisions to drive profitability. We're focused on organic growth. We want to be a predictable organic growth machine as we grow into our $250 billion-plus subject addressable market. Our algorithm is simple. Existing members grow from new volume on existing products, new products written with us and rate. Existing members typically represent 80% of our growth in any given year, just as they have this year, and at least 3/4 of that comes from volume. While rate continues to be additive to our growth, it has never been the core driver. Year-to-date, our rate is up…

Jay Green

Analyst

Thanks, Ryan. Hello, everyone. I'm excited to share our third quarter performance and guidance for the fourth quarter and full year 2026. As you've heard this morning, we had a great third quarter with continued strong profitable growth and expanding margins. We placed $1.04 billion of exchange written premium, an increase of 17% year-over-year, and as Ryan mentioned, 29%, excluding the 2 members he noted. This was propelled by net revenue retention of 135% and member count growth to 265 with net additions of 17 in the quarter. That resulted in revenue of $267 million, which grew 74% year-over-year. As you've heard from Jeff today, our goal is to maximize the revenue associated with our Exchange Services and MJ operations segments while continuing to keep our net retention near our 10% target. You will see from our segment results for the quarter that we are successfully executing on that strategy. Adjusted EBITDA was $105 million, which grew over 300% year-over-year. Adjusted EBITDA margin rose to a healthy 39%, up from 17% last year. Embedded within that were 2 irregular investment gains totaling $39 million. One was $30 million from the minority sale of one of our own members that we highlighted in our guidance on our last earnings call. This flowed through as an unrealized gain of $27.6 million and a realized gain of $2.7 million in our MJ Operations segment. We also had an additional unrealized gain of $8 million in our Corporate segment associated with the valuation increase of one of our ecosystem investments that raised external capital. Both are great examples of the attractive value creation we are seeing in our historic investments in both members and our broader ecosystem enabled by the technology and services Accelerant provides to them. We do not expect to receive benefits…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And your first question comes from Rowland Mayor with RBC Capital Markets.

Rowland Mayor

Analyst

I wanted to quickly ask on the guide. I think for the Accelerant gross written premium component, it implies negative growth year-over-year. I understand that it's migrating sort of to direct on the exchange. But is there anything to know on the expense side associated with that from moving from kind of on your balance sheet to direct with the capital providers?

Jay Green

Analyst

And -- so obviously, as we are transitioning the business to third parties directly that we will see over time the gross on the Accelerant side, the growth will moderate and eventually flat line. And yes, there will be some -- I think on the expense side, if that's what you're asking, I think we will see some of the cost shift with that as more going directly to the Exchange and not going through our Underwriting. But I think I would probably just expect to hold those margins fairly constant for the near term.

Rowland Mayor

Analyst

That's super helpful. Just I guess, switching a bit. The deck calls out 90 new products in the last 12 months. And I'm just curious if there's anything worth highlighting there on new exposures you're underwriting or if you're seeing demand for other new products that can come online in the next year?

Ryan Schiller

Analyst

Yes. Generally speaking,, thanks for the question. We're always looking to launch new products with our members. A number of those are book rolls that they're doing of products they wrote previously with someone else that they've rolled over to the Risk Exchange. And then a number of those are also obviously new product launches that we've helped design and implement with those members. Generally speaking, I wouldn't say there was some sort of appetite expansion or stretch, if that makes sense from what we've done historically. It's all still commercial SME business, et cetera. What you're seeing instead is the increasing specialization of the industry overall, right, where you're increasingly getting -- it's not just bowling alleys but it's several different types that have -- that offer several different things or amalgamations of each and each sort of a new policy to go along with that. And so it's a huge testament to our platform and our flexibility, our ability to support members in doing that. And that's what's ultimately going to lead to, I think, sustained net revenue retention at the elevated levels that we've been seeing it at.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Elyse Greenspan with Wells Fargo.

Elyse Greenspan

Analyst · Wells Fargo.

My first question was just about the growth outlook for next year. I think EBITDA growth is expected to be 16%, excluding right, the onetime gain on sale and gross premiums written are expected to be up around 20%. So I'm just wondering why the EBITDA growth wouldn't outgrow the premium growth.

Jay Green

Analyst · Wells Fargo.

Yes. So I think that's right. You're seeing our EBITDA number is coming in a little bit lower than the growth. Overall, Elyse, I think we feel really good about our ability to maintain the margins in the business. So I would not expect any real sort of meaningful change in that margin despite the fact that where we're sort of reiterating the '26 number, the EBITDA is slightly lower.

Ryan Schiller

Analyst · Wells Fargo.

And just to add on to that, Elyse, right, the real thing that's happening is as we move more business to third-party insurers, right, we mix towards our Exchange Services and MGA Operations segment, our fee-based businesses that we're excited about maximizing, right? But we won't make that revenue if that makes sense when it doesn't go through Accelerant underwriting. And as Jeff highlighted in his comments, I think that's generally a good thing.

Elyse Greenspan

Analyst · Wells Fargo.

Okay. And then my second question, you guys said right, in the medium term, 2/3 of the portfolio will be third party. I guess, I was hoping you can define what you view as the medium term. And then when we get there, I know you provided some like disclosure on the contribution, right, over the next year. But what would that assume over that medium-term guide is the contribution from Hadron?

Jeffrey Radke

Analyst · Wells Fargo.

Sure. Time frame first, 3 to 5 years is what we were thinking of when we said the medium term. I hope that helps. And then the guidance was a little bit tricky on Hadron. We gave an expectation for the full year of '26, and then we gave an expectation for the fourth quarter of '26. You probably caught all that. The guidance for the fourth quarter of '26 was 33%. I guess what I would expect going forward is for that to drift gently down. And I don't really know numerically what that works out to be, but it will drift gently down as we add more and more third-party insurers.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Charlie Lederer with BMO Capital Markets.

Charles Lederer

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets.

Just one more on the guidance for the $2.1 billion in third-party premium in '26. So you were clear that the Hadron will be 35% to 40% of that and that you have $1.8 billion under contract, which presumably includes the Hadron piece. Maybe you can break down the breadth of that $1.8 billion and how we should think about the pacing of the uptick over the next 5 quarters.

Jeffrey Radke

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets.

Sure. I'll try and give you a round sense. And what I would say, my answer will rely on the fact that what happens as we transition business to these insurers is a product will move over. right? And then it's not a slow growth, right? It's a series of discontinuous jumps as the products move over. So what you can expect is you can expect acceleration through the quarters. And unfortunately, at the same time, you're going to have to moderate it for the quarterly flow of total exchange written premium, which isn't constant, as you know.

Charles Lederer

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets.

Okay. And then I thought your explanation of the similarity in economics no matter how the business gets piped was helpful. Maybe you could talk about how to think about the cash flows outside of the insurance companies. Is there any color you can share there on how that's trended?

Jay Green

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets.

Sure. Yes. I think we have consistently maintained a very high degree of cash flow conversion on the exchange services as well as on the MGA Operations side, definitely the driver being Exchange Services. And to be clear, what you see, for example, in the eliminations in the financials, that does not impact the cash flows. We obviously receive that cash when we transact the business. We do eliminate in terms of our net income recognition but that just means that we are hanging up that net income over sort of a longer period of time. But we are getting sort of the cash in the door upfront on that 8% fee we're generating on the risk exchange, and we do have a very high degree of conversion on it. And it will continue to grow as obviously Exchange Services EBITDA grows.

Charles Lederer

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets.

Got it. I guess could you directionally quantify cash flow conversion, either as a percentage of EBITDA or revenue in those segments?

Jay Green

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets.

Yes. I mean -- so we're happy to follow up and dig into that with you. I think in the current quarter, it probably would be a little bit distorted by some of the IPO expenses but certainly something we're willing to follow up and work on and dig in with you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Bob Huang with Morgan Stanley.

Jian Huang

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

First question is on the third-party premium, right? Given Hadron is going to be a smaller part of the third-party premium, can you maybe talk about the partner mix there? Is there any specific partner that you're expecting to see substantial growth going forward? Or is it more of a relatively even mix? Just curious as Hadron gracefully declined as a percentage of total, what are the other partners that is kind of growing, so to speak?

Jeffrey Radke

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

Sure. When I talk about growth, I think I have to talk about dollars as opposed to percentages. So Lloyd's, obviously, as we announced, we're delighted to have that facility. We expect that to become a meaningful risk exchange insurer. We've got a host of, I guess, now 17 or 16 others for a total of 17. To grow the third-party portfolio the way we're talking about, they're all going to grow substantially. Now will there be some that are -- will there be some that stand out by being small? Yes. But I don't think that there will be ones that stand out by becoming huge. There's going to be 8 to 10 partners we expect that get very large with us, roughly double.

Jian Huang

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

Got it. Okay. That's very helpful. The other one is on the -- your third-party reinsurance and institutional insurance relationships. I think what you said on the prepared remarks is that the number of partners came down quarter-on-quarter marginally, but the number of reinsurance partner increased marginally. But at the same time, I think the premium growth is still continuing to be very healthy. Can you maybe help us just remind us under what circumstances would those partners be moved off the platform, under what circumstances you like usually would have situations like this?

Jeffrey Radke

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

Maybe I'll cover what actually happened this quarter. We've talked about and disclosed several of our really significant risk capital partners that are reinsurers. Each of those partners have indicated for several years that they want to grow their relationship with Accelerant in dollar terms substantially. We took this opportunity to essentially move off several, I guess it was 5, several very, very small reinsurance partners. I think collectively, they were less than 3% to 5%, less than 3% of premium. We took the opportunity to move those small players off to be able to allow our bigger partners to grow slightly faster and keep them happier. I guess the good news there, Bob, is we have enough risk capital interest to handle double the premium we write today. We have that interest now to handle a doubling. But that's the back story.

Jian Huang

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

Thank you and congratulations on the quarter.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Robert Cox with Goldman Sachs.

Robert Cox

Analyst · Goldman Sachs.

I just wanted to double-click on Lloyd's. I know they're an important risk capital partner, and I think there was an article out there saying in some way, you all had been declined from Lloyd's at some point during the quarter. Fast forward today, now looks like great news that you've added a Lloyd's facility as a third-party insurer. Can you just talk about what has really happened there and the overall relationship with Lloyd's?

Jeffrey Radke

Analyst · Goldman Sachs.

Sure. I can't really talk about what was in the head of that author. I guess what I can say is Lloyd's, as you know, is a terrific sort of signpost for the quality of our underwriting. The other reason that having a Lloyd's relationship is really valuable to our members is the great credit quality and licenses that Lloyd's has. We've been working really hard to use our relationships at Lloyd's to create not just a reinsurance relationship, which we did with QBE but also an insurance relationship. We've been successful with both. This quarter, with our announcement, we've been successful with both. We're really delighted about that. We are reasonably close to the corporation, sort of the center of Lloyd's that acts to a degree as governance for the market. And as far as we're concerned, our relationship is incredibly strong and good.

Robert Cox

Analyst · Goldman Sachs.

Great. And then on -- I appreciate the life cycle comments and the slide in the deck on that. I think you all explained well why some of the premium from third-party insurers goes through Accelerant underwriting because it's operationally simplistic to use Accelerant to find reinsurance coverage. And you also say that they eventually will cede premiums to reinsurers direct. So is there a clear trend of third-party insurers accessing reinsurers direct over a period of time? Like are you actively seeing that in your book? And I also wanted to confirm that Hadron is completely accessing reinsurers direct now, which I think you all might have said in your prepared remarks.

Ryan Schiller

Analyst · Goldman Sachs.

Thanks for the question, Rob. So yes, there is a clear trend. We cited the example of Hadron specifically because as we had noted, right, originally, they started writing sort of 100% of it back through Accelerant as we set up the reinsurance pipes already there. And then we set up those same pipes with our same, right? I think I cited Allianz, QBE, Flywheel, et cetera, all of our reinsurance and institutional investor risk capital partners behind Hadron as well. And so that's been sort of the natural cadence of things, and we're seeing that with other parties as well.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Paul Newsome with Piper Sandler.

Jon Paul Newsome

Analyst · Piper Sandler.

I was hoping you could give us a little bit more insight into the regularity or lack of regularity of members being asked to leave the pool. And as the market softens, I would imagine that you'll see more folks hit the boundaries. But is this something that we should expect kind of a member or 2 leaving every quarter sort of naturally just given the process that you have? Or is it -- just how exceptional do you think it will be as part of your process?

Jeffrey Radke

Analyst · Piper Sandler.

Sure. Paul, thanks for the question. Your line was a little muffled. I think I got it. But if I missed, please correct me in the feedback. How often do we part ways with members? I would say not very often. Approximately 15 have been asked by us to retire from the platform since we started in 2018, '19. Why does that happen? Overwhelmingly, the reason that happens is because that particular MGA cannot get support from distribution. So while they thought that they would be able to attract a flow of business, once we start or once they start, it turns out that they are not able to. I would say that leaves about 5 member MGAs that have been asked to leave the risk exchange for what I would describe as underwriting or performance issues. They're mostly idiosyncratic. There are situations where a particular market or a particular product became untenable in our view. And unfortunately, there are also examples where our underwriting judgment and the ex members underwriting judgment just differed so dramatically that we decided to part ways. What is not going to cause that in our mind, Paul, is market conditions or rate levels. Here's why. I think Ryan did a good job of describing how steady our portfolio is in all ways but especially in terms of market rates. they don't oscillate like everything that we're reading about, right? They're sort of inflation to a little bit more than inflation. So when our members get into underwriting trouble, it's almost never pure rate. It's always about risk selection. And we work really hard with that data, Paul, to make sure that our risk models help them stay on the right track so that they can grow smartly. That's where that net revenue retention of 135% comes from. So I hope I hit your question right.

Jon Paul Newsome

Analyst · Piper Sandler.

No, that's what I was asking and sorry for the bad connection. The -- my second question, I think that gross loss ratio is maybe the most important metric for the long-term health of the business, my opinion, obviously. It has actually gone down when others are seeing higher gross loss ratios because of competition and the like. A few thoughts on directionally why that has moved this year down and not up. Maybe is it a mix change? Is it whatever you think is going on that, that's interesting to me. It's remarkable.

Jeffrey Radke

Analyst · Piper Sandler.

Right. Well, the other remarkable thing is our portfolio, 95% of the policies have policy premiums below $10,000. That is -- you'd be the expert but I think that's extraordinarily atypical, right, of most of the portfolios that other underwriting companies carry. I guess my point for the reason that I bring up that small size is, again, insulation from a lot of different things. Insulation from rate movement, dramatic rate movement, right? We're relatively insulated there. And because the limits are so small, you don't see the liability loss trend that the rest of the industry has seen. So I would expect -- and actually looking backwards, I think the industry's performance in the small- to medium-sized market is sort of the mid-50s. So the fact that we're in the low 50s with our data model is not surprising to me. I'm confident that we can continue that level going forward. The one thing I would say, Paul, is when I say low 50s, you're going to have quarterly wiggles, as you know. This one was a positive wiggle. I wouldn't start extrapolating 50.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Andrew Kligerman with TD Cowen.

Andrew Kligerman

Analyst · TD Cowen.

Just a quick one since there are so many questions on Hadron. I guess I just wanted to ask, last I checked, you had a surplus of about $110 million, $120 million and $250 million of A-rated type capital committed. Is that correct?

Jeffrey Radke

Analyst · TD Cowen.

Not catching the reference for those numbers.

Ryan Schiller

Analyst · TD Cowen.

I think, Andrew, you might be asking about Hadron specifically as opposed to Accelerant?

Andrew Kligerman

Analyst · TD Cowen.

Yes, Hadron specifically, like what's the -- yes, what's the stat surplus of Hadron when you're -- they're a company. So I just wanted to kind of get the numbers or the ballpark.

Jeffrey Radke

Analyst · TD Cowen.

Yes. The group approximates $200 million, I think, Andrew.

Andrew Kligerman

Analyst · TD Cowen.

In surplus, Jeff?

Jeffrey Radke

Analyst · TD Cowen.

Yes. Several companies there, but yes, surplus.

Andrew Kligerman

Analyst · TD Cowen.

Yes. I mean the last I checked, that's a pretty solid, strong number, right? I think that's something to feel really good about. I just -- because there have been so many questions, I just wanted to check on that.

Jeffrey Radke

Analyst · TD Cowen.

The old am I crazy question. Andrew, I don't think you're crazy. Here's what I would say. I would say that Hadron is a real company staffed by really competent professionals with a fair amount of surplus that buys reinsurance really, really conservatively from people that we know incredibly well. We feel really good about that trade. Having said that, for the avoidance of doubt, and I'm not talking to you, I'm talking to everyone else in the world, Andrew, that diminishment right, of Hadron being diversified away and being a smaller and smaller part of the total will continue. But it's not because we think the Hadron relationship is a bad one. It's because diversification on both sides of the platform is great for us.

Andrew Kligerman

Analyst · TD Cowen.

Yes. It sounds pretty solid. So I guess just kind of following up on Paul's question about the loss ratio at 50%, which is pretty strong. I'm hoping you could give kind of a texture of that. I think it was like 50.1% or 50.2%. What's the texture of that? I think Jay mentioned some favorable development in property. Could you give a sense of what the prior year development might have been in the quarter? And going forward, I think you said what gives you confidence is that kind of diversification of very small policies. But anything else like pricing, for example, you mentioned up 4%. Do you feel like pricing is ahead of loss costs and helping you to gain that confidence?

Jeffrey Radke

Analyst · TD Cowen.

Sure. Maybe I'll handle rates first, and then we'll talk about the quarter's loss ratio second, if that's okay. Again, reiterating what you heard, blended across the book, across 22 countries, it's about 4%. What's much more important, of course, is each product by product. We feel comfortable that in the vast majority of our products or markets, the rate change is keeping up with loss trend. One of the reasons that we can be so confident there is keep in mind how attenuated our exposure to loss trend is when our limits are so small because 95% of our policies are really small. Our data and analytics let us watch to make sure that the performance is continuing as we expect on a really, really granular level. We're not hanging around waiting to see at the end of the year. This is a much more ongoing live thing because of our data capabilities. So that's why we have confidence in the loss ratio continuing to perform as it has. In terms of this particular quarter, I think you know this that Accelerant less than probably most portfolios has an expectation, especially in property about what the large loss load should be. Now for us, it's not property catastrophe. It tends to be a large loss load for fires, et cetera. As we close '23 underwriting year and '24 underwriting year starts to get more mature, what we found is those large losses didn't occur. Frankly, that portfolio performed really well, atypically well, right? And so that was flowed through the loss ratio. But again, back to what I said to Paul, you should expect low 50s going forward. You should not expect 50.

Andrew Kligerman

Analyst · TD Cowen.

Got it. That's terrific. And if I could sneak one last one in. The MGA count is terrific at 265. You added 17 pipeline, anything you would say about the pipeline?

Ryan Schiller

Analyst · TD Cowen.

Yes, Andrew, at the end of the third quarter, we had over $3 billion of annualized premium in our pipeline, which was the biggest ever. So I think that gives us a lot of confidence as we look to the future.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Charlie Lederer with BMO Capital Markets.

Charles Lederer

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets.

Just a couple of clarifications. On the medium-term guide of 2/3 third party, is that a change in view from 3 months ago? I don't think it is but I just wanted to make sure.

Jeffrey Radke

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets.

It's not, Charlie. I know what you mean. I had a really bad sentence. It's not a change.

Charles Lederer

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets.

Okay. And then just curious on the expense ratio in the Underwriting segment, that's come in a fair bit lighter from, I guess, I think where you guys guided during the IPO process. Curious what's driving that and if there's any color you can share on how that should trend from here?

Jay Green

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets.

Yes. So I think there's a couple of things going on in the Underwriting segment. Obviously, we talked about sort of the favorability on the gross loss ratio on the property attritional piece. And then yes, 2 other things we'd highlight. Certainly, we've come in a bit lighter on the DAC. I think really sort of 2 drivers there, one being that you're seeing the impact of the higher session rates in prior quarters. in terms of relative to initial expectation. And then we did see -- we are seeing some favorability on acquisition costs just from a sort of business mix perspective. And then the last piece of that, Charlie, would be on the OpEx. We are seeing as more business goes directly to third-party insurance companies, we would expect some of that cost to migrate over time. And so that OpEx ratio might up over time. But I think as I was saying earlier in my remarks, I think for the time being, we would sort of hold -- we would guide you to hold that expense ratio relatively consistent.

Operator

Operator

And that concludes our question-and-answer session. And with that, that does conclude today's conference call. Thank you for your participation, and you may now disconnect.