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Associated Banc-Corp (ASB)

Q3 2007 Earnings Call· Sun, Oct 21, 2007

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Operator

Operator

Good afternoon. My name is Sophia [ph] and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Associated Banc-Corp. Third Quarter Earnings Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker’s remark there will be a question-and-answer period. [Operator Instructions] Thank you. It is now my pleasure to turn the floor over to your host Mr. Paul Beideman, Chairman and CEO of Associate Banc-Corp. Sir, you may begin your conference.

Paul S. Beideman - Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Analyst · Lehman. Please go ahead

Thank you very much. And thank you all for participating in our call today. Lisa Binder and Joseph Selner are also here on the phone, and as you saw we announced our earnings at $0.56 per share in third quarter. And as normal all time, I will make a few brief comments about some key components of it and then we’ll be happy to answer any questions that you have. Why don’t I start with the margins, and we’re really very happy with the fact that the margins and net interest income improved really measurably in the third quarter, up to 3.62 and net interest income up over $5 million over the second quarter. In essence, everything that was weak about the second quarter returned to normal levels and in the third quarter as it relates to levels of prepayment fees and non-accruals which you’ll recall we were identifying as a weakness in second quarter and those things got back to normal levels. But I think most importantly, and as simply stated, loan yields improved while deposits costs stabilized, and that takes a lot of work but if what we have seen in the numbers. Our home equity growth was really quite solid in the third quarter and that’s something that we have been emphasizing and focusing on and we’ve talked about that possibility of occurring in the second half of the year, and I am really glad to see the lift that we are generating there and that is our highest yielding asset. But really, with market movements that are beginning to occur here pricing I think really becomes the biggest variable and we are seeing our loans spreads are beginning to improve through September and frankly, continuing to October and we believe that as interest rates move here,…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions]. Your first question is coming from Andrea Jao with Lehman. Please go ahead.

Andrea Jao - Lehman Brothers

Analyst · Lehman. Please go ahead

Good afternoon everyone.

Paul S. Beideman - Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Analyst · Lehman. Please go ahead

Hi, Andrea.

Andrea Jao - Lehman Brothers

Analyst · Lehman. Please go ahead

Just want to clarify what ex-acquisition, balance sheet loan growth, deposit growth was and the contribution of acquisition to the margin this quarter?

Paul S. Beideman - Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Analyst · Lehman. Please go ahead

Hudson?

Andrea Jao - Lehman Brothers

Analyst · Lehman. Please go ahead

Yes.

Paul S. Beideman - Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Analyst · Lehman. Please go ahead

Well, it's really quite small, I mean the entire asset size was things under, in terms of the loan was under $300 million. So, it really is very small in terms of its impact. It had some small effect on average balances, but it's really pretty small. In terms of net deposit levels the sales of the branches and reducing by $50 million probably had a bigger effect than Hudson did.

Andrea Jao - Lehman Brothers

Analyst · Lehman. Please go ahead

Okay. Just checking and on the margin similarly modest?

Paul S. Beideman - Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Analyst · Lehman. Please go ahead

Yes. Well, on the $20 billion things $300 million of assets spread across the category equally isn't much of an impact.

Andrea Jao - Lehman Brothers

Analyst · Lehman. Please go ahead

Okay. In your press release you stated real-estate construction loans added to loan growth, isn’t that a bit surprising at this point. Wouldn’t growth in construction be a bit surprising at this point?

Paul S. Beideman - Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Analyst · Lehman. Please go ahead

Well, we’ve been… no I don’t think so. There’s a couple of things going on. One is that the conduit activity really isn’t anywhere near where it used to be. And so the payoffs which were affecting all of our real-estate portfolio is at a much lower level, in fact almost non existent in the third quarter. And the construction lending that we continue to do is focused on our large customers driven by our corporate real estate area within which we have really significant confidence, on financial terms of which we’re comfortable, and we’ve been spending really a lot of time focusing on the segments, where you can play. And in retail construction and in apartment building type construction, those are areas where we’re still seeing good growth and a condominiums no. But almost as a counterbalance to the housing market and the condominiums type of real estate development apartments actually are strengthening their position because customers are moving towards that as an alternative. And we have seen in… especially in the metro markets that type of construction with well established customers who we know, who have diversified risk is pretty stable.

Andrea Jao - Lehman Brothers

Analyst · Lehman. Please go ahead

Okay, great. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Your next question is coming from Scott Siefers with Sandler O'Neill, please go ahead.

Scott Siefers - Sandler O'Neill

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill, please go ahead

Good morning guys.

Paul S. Beideman - Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill, please go ahead

Hi Scott.

Scott Siefers - Sandler O'Neill

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill, please go ahead

I guess, I just had a couple of separate questions. Paul, is there something you could kind of drill down into the pricing environment a little more on the loan side, you made some of those comments in your margins discussion, but I guess, I’m wondering where that improvement is coming from, if it's customers willing to tolerate higher rates or you guys are drawing the line in the sand, et cetera?

Paul S. Beideman - Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill, please go ahead

Well, we've pretty much had the line in the sand for sometime. The difference is maybe the world is rationalizing a little bit. And the folks, the companies that have been more aggressive in the past or being more circumspect, the fact that there at least has been the development of somewhat of a curve allows for that. When interest rates come down historically credit spreads improve. And if you go back historically and look at it, we’ve seen it and if we can be disciplined enough, we can capture it. And so far we’ve been pretty successful at it. Also, the growth in home equity is, if that’s sustainable which we believe it is, even in this environment, if we’re doing it to our credit standards with our customers that’s a yielding asset that is on a relative basis that creates stronger earnings, stable assets on our books, so all these things together struck the balance. And then if you can control pricing on the deposit side and be disciplined as the rates are coming down. And you’re really locking that in, so it’s working both sides of the equation. But the bankers on their system have to realize, what the opportunity is when rates change and focus very precisely transaction-by-transaction on how they are going to capture it, so it’s really a meat and potatoes approach to selling and knowing what at least you are trying to do before you talk to the customer.

Scott Siefers - Sandler O'Neill

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill, please go ahead

Okay.

Paul S. Beideman - Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill, please go ahead

Because it’s a different environment now than it was two months to three months ago in terms of that opportunity.

Scott Siefers - Sandler O'Neill

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill, please go ahead

Okay. And then on the home equity, I wanted to kind of follow-up on that as well, that’s all just your own customer base, right? You are not doing funds through correspondent or brokerage stuff?

Paul S. Beideman - Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill, please go ahead

Virtually all, I mean the company our size little bit of everything in there, but it’s virtually our customer bases, it's the function of better marketing and better selling.

Scott Siefers - Sandler O'Neill

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill, please go ahead

Okay. And then if I could jump over to credit for a second, I want to follow-up on, I thought there were a couple of credits that you guys had specified on the second quarter call. And one of them obviously talking about, was that other one that I guess could have been involved in the charge-off was that… has that been removed now?

Paul S. Beideman - Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill, please go ahead

It's hard to remember three months ago, that I was thinking about, but I believe… yes I would say.

Scott Siefers - Sandler O'Neill

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill, please go ahead

Okay. Sounds good. And I guess, I think you have inserted all the other kind of credit ones in your comment, so. Good. I appreciate it.

Paul S. Beideman - Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill, please go ahead

Sure.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. Your next question is coming from Terry Mcevoy with Oppenheimer. Please go ahead.

Paul S. Beideman - Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Analyst · Oppenheimer. Please go ahead

Hi, Terry. Terry Mcevoy – Oppenheimer: Hi. Good afternoon. How much of the $27 million reduction in NPAs came from the sale of non-performers in the quarter, and could you just may be comment on that market please?

Paul S. Beideman - Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Analyst · Oppenheimer. Please go ahead

Yes. None, well, it depends what do you mean by sales, I guess it not complex definition, but some companies package non-performers together go to a third party, sell them at a loss or disposing them off to another company. There is none of that in there. These credits have been worked out. I mentioned at the end of the second quarter that there were couples of credits that we were… I think, I probably used the term selling, but it’s almost it's being paid off in essence, as opposed to selling it to another provider of credit at par. So there is really… and that’s us working, that’s our efforts going out there and finding someone to take the credit away. So the payoffs, the non-performers reduction are a result of being paid-off, working the credit out or having it go some place else. We haven’t packaged any loans to sell. And that market right now is much tougher than it was, I think, for obvious reasons a couple of quarters ago. We look at it all the time, in my time here we’ve never done it, but we’ve continued to look at it as an alternative if it's financially viable we would considerate, but we’ve been able to reduce some and the sub-standard credits as well by and it just didn’t happen in this quarter. We’ve been working at this for some time and there’s lot of flow in and out of these categories. We’ve been able to catch up and pass it by, if you will, so that we have gotten more worked out than were coming in. And, but it’s a function of our credit organization and our bankers in the filed are focusing on it more and more aggressively and having it stick. Terry Mcevoy – Oppenheimer: Charge-offs, about $6 million ahead of the provision, is that the $6 million credit that you’ve been talking about or were the loans charge-offs that previously reserve has been set aside?

Paul S. Beideman - Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Analyst · Oppenheimer. Please go ahead

Now, it basically reflects that, correct. Terry Mcevoy – Oppenheimer: Okay. And then just a last question on capital, it's kind of, up in the, up from the second quarter with the acquisition couple of quarters behind you now. Could you just talk about comfort levels for capital and potential uses of excess capital in the remainder of the year?

Paul S. Beideman - Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Analyst · Oppenheimer. Please go ahead

Well, our approach to that really is unchanged. We’ll continue to balance all the different uses, and we’re not hesitant to buy stock back. We, if you remember we had a buyback very, very late in the second quarter with Hudson in that quarter as well. You could almost think of that buyback late, late, late in the second quarter as the third quarter event. But it just happened to occur in the second quarter. But we’ll continue to look at that as a viable option in terms of the use of capital but we'll also look at acquisitions and at the dividend level each year. So I mean, our approach to it, really hasn’t changed very much, but in the calendar third quarter we didn’t buy back any stock.

Operator

Operator

Your next question is coming from Michael Cohen with Sunova Capital. Please go ahead.

Michael Cohen - Sunova Capital

Analyst · Sunova Capital. Please go ahead

Hi. Couple of quick questions. Can you talk about your appetite for ongoing acquisition? And as well, you had mentioned a potential kind of, restructuring charge in the forth quarter to potentially sort of improve efficiency, where do you think you could potentially take your efficiency ratio to over time, given all the improvement you had in other areas over the past three years?

Paul S. Beideman - Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Analyst · Sunova Capital. Please go ahead

Well, it stays in a low 50s right now and we are pretty comfortable with the efficiency ratio in that area. Having said that, we continue to look at our expenses all the time and also look at investments. So we’re, I am not suggesting that we want to take our expense level down significantly but when we keep thinking about how we are going to reposition ourselves and strengthen our ability to grow, that implies maybe to some, in some ways disinvesting in business A, B, or C and investing in another one and that’s, and those kinds of charges would be necessary to do that. In terms of our acquisitions, we, in this environment things again have changed pretty dramatically I think and it may constrain acquisition alternatives, at least for a time here with buyers and sellers stock as being somewhat depressed. We will continue to look at market really is the primary driver and will the acquisition generate a greater part probability of growing incremental revenue and value as a result of it, so is it an attractive place to be and can… does the company have the right culture and can we bring a business mix to it that can generate more revenue then it was generating for itself. And so that’s how we continue to think about it. We look all the time, we get opportunities on a regular basis. So if we would find opportunities at the right price that would meet those criteria, we would continue to look to do bank acquisition.

Michael Cohen - Sunova Capital

Analyst · Sunova Capital. Please go ahead

Okay. Do you generally kind of look at intangible book value earn back period? Is that one of the metrics you use or how do you think about it?

Paul S. Beideman - Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Analyst · Sunova Capital. Please go ahead

Return on cash investment, we think it’s an important variable. Certainly, return on equity is a critically important variable but a disciplined risk reward analysis around what the possibility of gaining and losing revenue stream are going to be as a result of the mix of the company in a type of business that it does. You can… and we’ve seen it a 100 of times, not with us, but where revenue expectations are grossly overstated in terms of what can happen in an acquisition and you've got to really be able to understand what the risks associated with it are too. So I mean if you damage the revenue stream, your assumptions don’t matter. It's got to be an objective evaluation of what kind of prospect the thing's going to create. And cash return really I think helps to clarify that kind of thinking, you know accretion and non-accretion is a theoretical discussion to a large extent.

Michael Cohen - Sunova Capital

Analyst · Sunova Capital. Please go ahead

Sure. Great. Thank you very much, Paul.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. Your next question is coming from Ben Crabtree with Stifel Nicolaus. Please go ahead.

Paul S. Beideman - Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Analyst · Stifel Nicolaus. Please go ahead

Hi, Ben.

Ben Crabtree - Stifel Nicolaus and Company

Analyst · Stifel Nicolaus. Please go ahead

Hi, I just need a little help in understanding the kind of the dynamics in the credit quality side. If I understand correctly, well first of all the $6 million charge-off, is there more remaining on that loan in the books?

Paul S. Beideman - Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Analyst · Stifel Nicolaus. Please go ahead

No

Ben Crabtree - Stifel Nicolaus and Company

Analyst · Stifel Nicolaus. Please go ahead

Okay. So that’s gone. Now, but that was not included in non-performing loans at the end of the second quarter?

Paul S. Beideman - Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Analyst · Stifel Nicolaus. Please go ahead

Correct.

Ben Crabtree - Stifel Nicolaus and Company

Analyst · Stifel Nicolaus. Please go ahead

So in other words, the drop from 180 to 150 round terms, it happened completely irrespective of this loan?

Paul S. Beideman - Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Analyst · Stifel Nicolaus. Please go ahead

Correct.

Ben Crabtree - Stifel Nicolaus and Company

Analyst · Stifel Nicolaus. Please go ahead

Okay. I just needed to understand that. And I guess that’s basically my question. Okay, thank you.

Paul S. Beideman - Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Analyst · Stifel Nicolaus. Please go ahead

Sure

Operator

Operator

Your next question is coming from Kenneth James with Robert W. Baird. Please go ahead.

Kenneth S. James - Robert W. Baird

Analyst · Robert W. Baird. Please go ahead

Hi. Good afternoon.

Paul S. Beideman - Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Analyst · Robert W. Baird. Please go ahead

Good afternoon.

Kenneth S. James - Robert W. Baird

Analyst · Robert W. Baird. Please go ahead

I just want to ask you a question about some of your commercial lending initiatives. I know that you put a lot of emphasis there.

Paul S. Beideman - Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Analyst · Robert W. Baird. Please go ahead

Yes.

Kenneth S. James - Robert W. Baird

Analyst · Robert W. Baird. Please go ahead

And staking all of your expectations for better performance on really generating CNI at a minimum, getting corresponding DDA accounts. Didn’t seem like there had been a lot of momentum there in the third quarter. Just wonder if you could touch on what transpired there and how if any, that might change here over the coming quarters.

Paul S. Beideman - Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Analyst · Robert W. Baird. Please go ahead

We continue to work at it, but we are working at it in a challenging environment partially. Demand is an issue to consider, our own constraints around credit quality and pricing and the like sometimes are constrained. But we are continuing to work through those issues internally and to get our commercial business positioned well to start to generate that growth on our terms in a very challenging environment. We, to some extent, are in our own way, as we attack these sub-standard and non-performing loans, I mean I can sit here and say that our origination volumes have been improving and that sort of thing and to some extent that’s true, not quite to the level we would like to see them but part of the pay downs of these non-performing loans and sub-substandard loans are substantive and up to weigh that down. At the end of the day, that’s a good trade, and we are happy with it. And the optics of it aren’t as positive as we would like to see them in terms of the strategy in our commercial business but it’s the right thing over the long run for the performance of the company, especially in this environment. So I am not as happy as I could be in terms of where that thing is going and how it has been moving, but I feel good about our prospects, going forward when I look and see what the managers of the business are doing. Our corporate business is really starting to grab hold. The conduits are to a large extent out of the way. So there has been a tremendous amount of noise in our real estate business around what we are doing versus what we were unwilling to match in terms of low ROE kinds of permanent financing and that’s changing the dynamics little bit, to Andrea’s question before. And we are seeing good solid growth in our home equity portfolio. So I get confidence that management in the organization, Lisa and her new team and the things that they are doing can get the growth, the left is [ph] for us to continue to work on this commercial segment to get it to the level that we would like it to be.

Kenneth S. James - Robert W. Baird

Analyst · Robert W. Baird. Please go ahead

Okay. Thanks. I just want to get a clarification on comments in your commentary on net interest income and margin, it sounds like, in the way you were alluding to what happened is the volume, the margin might be down a few bps and funding asset volumes would be a little bit better to keep net interest income number flat. Is that a good assumption?

Paul S. Beideman - Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Analyst · Robert W. Baird. Please go ahead

That’s pretty much what I was trying to say.

Kenneth S. James - Robert W. Baird

Analyst · Robert W. Baird. Please go ahead

Okay.

Paul S. Beideman - Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Analyst · Robert W. Baird. Please go ahead

There are still many moving parts you know, you tell me if next week what it is going to do, there’s so many things that can affect us. But when we look at what’s going on that was really… and the last is DDA, in fact it is the most important piece in terms of dollar for dollar, how both the margin and the net interest income number move, but your summary was probably better than mine.

Kenneth S. James - Robert W. Baird

Analyst · Robert W. Baird. Please go ahead

Okay. And if we get another 25 basis point reduction this month does that change your thinking at all?

Paul S. Beideman - Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Analyst · Robert W. Baird. Please go ahead

In terms of our asset liability management, we try to position ourselves to be neutral but when rates move like that, you get the opportunity to manage your spread differently, demands, changes in the minds of the customers and it’s how well you execute against those things that really will then begin to move to net interest income. The spread opportunities when rates come down, if a curve comes into place are real and you got to know that, and you got to be able to figure out how to position your business to capture it. And so why are we growing our home equity loan right now in an environment where demand is down? Well all things aren’t equal, we are improving our selling and our marketing, and it’s bringing that business to the table and we’re able to grow it, so that’s a good thing.

Kenneth S. James - Robert W. Baird

Analyst · Robert W. Baird. Please go ahead

Okay.

Paul S. Beideman - Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Analyst · Robert W. Baird. Please go ahead

And on the commercial side you got to be able to recognize what the variables are and try and work with which you can control.

Kenneth S. James - Robert W. Baird

Analyst · Robert W. Baird. Please go ahead

Okay. Just from the kind of I know better pricing spreads and some yield curves slope will come back, real good thing, but just from a kind of static DAP gap basis, it would seem like 75 basis points over a 90 to a 180 day period would be a lot to deal with on the loan side and I am just wondering if you could comment on what you are seeing already with the 50 basis points on the deposit side, on the stickiness of rates, are you seeing people kind of aggressively take advantage of that or are the deposit rates a little stickier than you would have thought?

Paul S. Beideman - Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Analyst · Robert W. Baird. Please go ahead

Right. It’s all the math. The smaller banks are out there they are trying to bang away on the volume and price on both sides of the equation and I guess they always do that. Because that’s all they can do. But we look at it and we are going to work hard to be disciplined, and trying to figure out what the answer is and then manage the business toward getting that answer. You can still be competitive but you don’t lead. And that’s pretty much our philosophy. If that constrains growth a little bit, okay, so be it. But it isn't going to constrain to the extent possible, margins.

Kenneth S. James - Robert W. Baird

Analyst · Robert W. Baird. Please go ahead

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question is coming from Andrea Jao with Lehman. Please go ahead.

Andrea Jao - Lehman

Analyst · Lehman. Please go ahead

Hello again.

Paul S. Beideman - Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Analyst · Lehman. Please go ahead

Hi.

Andrea Jao - Lehman

Analyst · Lehman. Please go ahead

Just had a bunch of quick questions, hopefully what will be quick questions. Last July you mentioned that you had a letter of intent for $10 million in non-performing loans from a purchaser, and you expected that to close in August. Did that happen? And forgive how dense I may sound, but how did that impact the decrease on non-performers?

Paul S. Beideman - Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Analyst · Lehman. Please go ahead

When Terry asked me about corporate sales loans, there are two different kinds of sales we’re seeing. Yes, that occurred and it’s really it’s a in my mind that’s not so much selling non-performing loans, it's having another provider of credit to your customer take the loan of your hands.

Andrea Jao - Lehman

Analyst · Lehman. Please go ahead

Okay.

Paul S. Beideman - Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Analyst · Lehman. Please go ahead

But it's semantics, I guess. But yes, that did occur but that’s something we have been working for quite some time.

Andrea Jao - Lehman

Analyst · Lehman. Please go ahead

Okay. That’s helpful. Also the total $15 million in gain that you expect in the fourth quarter you mentioned that there would be some offsets, will these just be partial offsets? And what exactly do you mean by… what kind of restructuring were you referring to?

Paul S. Beideman - Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Analyst · Lehman. Please go ahead

I really can’t answer either of those questions with any precision because we haven’t worked in the details of analyzing all of those alternatives yet.

Andrea Jao - Lehman

Analyst · Lehman. Please go ahead

Okay. Fair enough.

Paul S. Beideman - Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Analyst · Lehman. Please go ahead

Okay. And that’s the honest answer.

Andrea Jao - Lehman

Analyst · Lehman. Please go ahead

Okay.

Paul S. Beideman - Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Analyst · Lehman. Please go ahead

I am trying to give you some heads up that there is going to be noticeable numbers passing through this thing and other ones probably in other categories. I don’t know if, I can’t figure it and honestly say, none of it will come to the bottom line or all of it will. But we need to really look through a whole series of options in terms of what to do.

Andrea Jao - Lehman

Analyst · Lehman. Please go ahead

Okay. Fair enough, just had to ask. And then do you still have 3.9 million shares remaining under your repurchase authorization?

Paul S. Beideman - Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Analyst · Lehman. Please go ahead

Yes

Andrea Jao - Lehman

Analyst · Lehman. Please go ahead

Okay, and the tangible ratio has bounced back to 661, are you comfortable already at that level. If not, can you remind us kind of what level you target or would you be comfortable with?

Paul S. Beideman - Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Analyst · Lehman. Please go ahead

We were comfortable when it comes down towards 620 as a result of doing the share buybacks and the purchase of Hudson in the same quarter and we're comfortable, obviously we’re more comfortable at this level, it provides more flexibility. We like to be in the mid sixes and that we think that’s a good place to be.

Andrea Jao - Lehman

Analyst · Lehman. Please go ahead

Okay.

Paul S. Beideman - Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Analyst · Lehman. Please go ahead

But we can put a band around it depending upon what we are doing and how we are going to deploy it.

Andrea Jao - Lehman

Analyst · Lehman. Please go ahead

Okay. Fair enough. Thank you. It’s very helpful.

Operator

Operator

Your next question is coming from Heather Wolf with Merrill Lynch. Please go ahead

Heather Wolf - Merrill Lynch

Analyst · Merrill Lynch. Please go ahead

Hi there.

Paul S. Beideman - Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Analyst · Merrill Lynch. Please go ahead

Hi, Heather.

Heather Wolf - Merrill Lynch

Analyst · Merrill Lynch. Please go ahead

On the impact from Libor work this quarter, can you tell us exactly how much that was and how it impacted your net interest income?

Paul S. Beideman - Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Analyst · Merrill Lynch. Please go ahead

Yes, it affected the margins in September by about 2 basis points.

Heather Wolf - Merrill Lynch

Analyst · Merrill Lynch. Please go ahead

Okay. And was this… it was on the, I assume just on the lending side, higher yield?

Paul S. Beideman - Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Analyst · Merrill Lynch. Please go ahead

Yes. Frankly, it's a portion of the commercial loan portfolio that is Libor based.

Heather Wolf - Merrill Lynch

Analyst · Merrill Lynch. Please go ahead

Okay.

Paul S. Beideman - Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Analyst · Merrill Lynch. Please go ahead

So it’s not a huge effect, but in September there was this dislocation and it was noticeable, however, it had a 2 basis point effect.

Heather Wolf - Merrill Lynch

Analyst · Merrill Lynch. Please go ahead

Okay. Great. And then just on the impact from the 50 basis points that we have seen already from the Fed, I assume you’re sort of neutral to slightly asset sensitive?

Paul S. Beideman - Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Analyst · Merrill Lynch. Please go ahead

Yes. I would, yes, neutral I think is the precisely accurate term. When we run the whole thing through over an intermediate period of time, it comes out pretty much even. So the net effect to net interest income is how we can manage price and volume in the key categories that can affect it.

Heather Wolf - Merrill Lynch

Analyst · Merrill Lynch. Please go ahead

Okay. Great. Thanks very much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. There appear to be no questions at this time. I would now like to turn the floor back to Mr. Paul Beideman for any closing remarks.

Paul S. Beideman - Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Analyst · Lehman. Please go ahead

I have no closing remarks; thank you all for your attention. And if you have any further questions, please don’t hesitate to give Joe or I a call. Thanks.