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Avino Silver & Gold Mines Ltd. (ASM)

Q2 2015 Earnings Call· Wed, Aug 19, 2015

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Operator

Operator

Welcome to the Avino Silver & Gold Mines’ Second Quarter 2015 Earnings Call taking place August 19, 2015 at 8AM Pacific Time. As a reminder, all participants are in a listen-only mode, and the conference is being recorded. After the presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. [Operator Instructions]. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Charles Daley, Corporate Communications. Please go ahead.

Charles Daley

Analyst

Thank you, operator. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the Avino Silver & Gold Mines’ second quarter 2015 financial results conference call. On the call today, we have the company’s President and CEO, David Wolfin; as well as our Chief Financial Officer, Malcolm Davidson; and one of our Directors, Mr. Jasman Yee. Before we get started, I’m required to remind you that certain statements on this call will include forward-looking information within the meaning of applicable securities laws. These may include statements regarding Avino’s anticipated performance in 2015 and future years, including revenue and cost forecast, silver and gold production, grades and recoveries, and the timing of expenditures required to develop new mines in mineralized zones. The company does not intend to, and does not assume any obligation to update such forward-looking statements or information other than as required by applicable law. Thank you. With that, I’ll now turn the call over to Avino’s President and CEO, Mr. David Wolfin.

David Wolfin

Analyst · H.C. Wainwright

Thanks, Charles and welcome everybody. I’d like to thank you all for joining us here today. During this call, I will cover the highlights of our financial and operating performance during the second quarter of 2015 compared to 2014. I will then open up for a Q&A session to address any questions you may have. I’m pleased to report that Q2 2015 was another profitable quarter despite increasingly challenging market conditions. Revenue for the quarter was $5.9 million compared to $5.1 million in the year prior. The increase was mainly due to an increase in silver equivalent ounces sold which increased to 345,300, a 22% increase over the same period last year. The increase in revenue was offset by a higher cost of sales of $3.5 million this quarter compared to $2.8 million in the same quarter last year. The increase was a result of the cost associated with higher volume of broken tons during the current quarter, the higher depreciation and depletion as a result of the company’s continued investment in mining equipment and infrastructure. Mine operating income was consistent with last year, totaling $2.4 million. Our earnings for the quarter before income taxes was $1.2 million compared to $440,000 in the same quarter last year. Net income for the quarter after taxes was $362,000 compared to a loss of $87,000 in the corresponding quarter last year, resulting in earnings of a penny a share, up from zero in Q2 2014. Current income taxes during the quarter totaled $1.9 million compared to $655,000 in the same quarter of the previous year. The increase reflects our continued profitable operations in Mexico. During six months ended June 30, 2015, our realized silver price decreased by 20% from $19.59 US to $16.20 and our realized gold decreased by 7% from $1,283 to…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] The first question is from Heiko Ihle of H.C. Wainwright.

Heiko Ihle

Analyst · H.C. Wainwright

Hey, can you break down the 1.97 million that you spent in capital expenditures for the quarter and just sort of walk me through we should expect for them to come in going forward? I get it that it was down a little bit but just sort of break down the $2 million please if you could.

Malcolm Davidson

Analyst · H.C. Wainwright

Sure, thanks, Heiko. During the quarter, we acquired a new jumbo through Sandvik through capital lease. That was about $1 million, Jasman?

Jasman Yee

Analyst · H.C. Wainwright

Yes, about $1 million.

David Wolfin

Analyst · H.C. Wainwright

And we’ve also continued to make this into camp costs and other infrastructure for the Avino mine.

Heiko Ihle

Analyst · H.C. Wainwright

Deposit on an cone crusher.

David Wolfin

Analyst · H.C. Wainwright

Yes, which will be coming into – I think will be delivered and in production later –

Jasman Yee

Analyst · H.C. Wainwright

Yes, Q3.

Heiko Ihle

Analyst · H.C. Wainwright

And then just go through the MD&A that you guys said, just looking over increases in silver production versus gold production, silver was up 102%, gold was up 63%, both obviously very impressive, and related to the sources of your production. But should we continue modeling it with the slightly change silver to gold ratio in the future?

Jasman Yee

Analyst · H.C. Wainwright

I will be fairly cautious based on the information that we’ve got so far from the ET mine. The feed grade seems to be fairly variable and we expect that it will continue for the next little while. So trying to model a grade at this time might be -- I would caution you going ahead until we get more information as we develop the mine further. I don't know if –

Heiko Ihle

Analyst · H.C. Wainwright

In other words, don’t trend the mine the way it is.

Jasman Yee

Analyst · H.C. Wainwright

What was the question again, I am sorry?

Heiko Ihle

Analyst · H.C. Wainwright

I said, in other words, do not trend the mine the way it is right now?

Jasman Yee

Analyst · H.C. Wainwright

Yes, I would say so. I think we basically budgeted the figures going forward, and based on the information that we’ve got so far, it’s fairly consistent based on the quarterly results. So the variation in silver and gold could fluctuate but if you average it over the quarter, I think it will be fairly close to what we’re seeing in the second quarter results going ahead.

David Wolfin

Analyst · H.C. Wainwright

And after the 24 month development period we expect the greatest improvements for strictly mining.

Jasman Yee

Analyst · H.C. Wainwright

As we get deeper in the mine, the copper grades will increase. But the silver grade will decrease slightly.

Heiko Ihle

Analyst · H.C. Wainwright

Last question, gold through Bralorne, again just in the MD&A you guys go through your drilling program and all the other stuff. Walk me through how much money you expect to spend at Bralorne for the remainder of the year? I mean you guys sound like a school trends [ph], all that stuff, and there is place for some more drilling, just quantify the dollar expenditures for that site please?

Malcolm Davidson

Analyst · H.C. Wainwright

Well David mentioned, we are starting the tailings lift next week, that has a capital budget of between 600,000 and 700,000. We are currently working on a budget to look at what the costs will be to have the operator restarted in the coming months. We hope that will be perhaps later in September or October and we are just finalizing those numbers now.

David Wolfin

Analyst · H.C. Wainwright

There was a couple of other items you could add on there, the new scoops that arrived and some of the other new equipment, and we’ve completed upgrading the mill.

Jasman Yee

Analyst · H.C. Wainwright

Yes, in the Bralorne mill, we’ve basically upgraded some of the problems that were associated when it was in operation like in the crushing circuit that there were issues with some of the conveyors, that’s being addressed, the cone crusher, the jaw crusher and there have been improvements made to that section of the circuit and we’re basically looking at ensuring that we're able to do 120 tons per day when we start up. I think this is sort of like the key objective.

David Wolfin

Analyst · H.C. Wainwright

Yes, and we’ve got essentially – looking at flow testing to see if we could ramp it up to 150, 160 without too many expensive items. So we’re looking at growing the operation in the near future.

Malcolm Davidson

Analyst · H.C. Wainwright

Yes, for the remainder of 2015, other than the tailings lift, and a few other smaller items, we don’t have a large CapEx budget for Bralorne.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from Bhakti Pavani of Euro Pacific Capital.

Bhakti Pavani

Analyst · Euro Pacific Capital

Just a follow-up question on the grades, I believe the explanation on the grades, Jasman, you just mentioned was regarding to Avino mine, or was it regarding to San Gonzalo as well, because San Gonzalo had a good uptick in the silver grades for second quarter, so I mean do you think that grades – I mean can be told [ph] or do you think it’s going to go back to Q1?

Jasman Yee

Analyst · Euro Pacific Capital

Yes, I was just discussing the Avino mine grades in the earlier question, and as far as San Gonzalo the grades going forward I think it will probably be relatively the same as what we had provided to you previously. But as we are doing exploration towards the eastern part, what we have noticed is there is a lot more lead and zinc in it but the grades for silver and gold, they are relatively the same. We will have a better idea as we do more exploration work there with regards to the grade in the eastern part of San Gonzalo.

Bhakti Pavani

Analyst · Euro Pacific Capital

With regards to the Avino mine, I know you guys are still not recognizing any revenues. Any kind of color you can provide as to when do you plan on doing that, or do you think there is still more time and it would be early 2016, any kind of thought process?

David Wolfin

Analyst · Euro Pacific Capital

It’s a good question, Bhakti. We are continuing to look at making the production decisions. Jasman mentioned we still see some variability in the feed grade, and we’d like to see that stabilize a little bit just so we can internally model the financials little bit better but I am optimistic that it’s sooner than later but I wouldn’t want to give a hard data when that’s going to be.

Bhakti Pavani

Analyst · Euro Pacific Capital

Also with regards to the new contract with Samsung, that was certainly a very good news for you guys. Was just wondering and trying to understand, how did the deal work out and would you guys be open to this kind of arrangement in the future? Any color on that please.

David Wolfin

Analyst · Euro Pacific Capital

How did the deal work out, what do you mean?

Bhakti Pavani

Analyst · Euro Pacific Capital

I mean did you guys approach Samsung or Samsung came to you guys, how did this happen and would you be open to – I believe the contract with Samsung is for 24 months. So is there any scope for expansion or would you be open to doing with any other customers?

David Wolfin

Analyst · Euro Pacific Capital

Well, last year I gave a presentation at the European Gold Forum in Zurich and there was a representative in the audience and he liked what he heard. So he sat down with me after and that’s how this all started. And they sent a team of people down to the mine. They hired SRT engineering, they spent a lot of time doing their due diligence and they liked the prognosis and they liked that we are young impressive team and looking to grow the operations, so this was sort of a test case for them and they wanted to showcase that they are not predatorial, that they give good terms. And we’re quite pleased with the way things turned out with them and absolutely we will look to grow with them.

Jasman Yee

Analyst · Euro Pacific Capital

It’s Jasman here. I just want to add to what – add to my answers on the grade on the Avino mine. It’s important to note that Samsung did the due diligence on Avino and the fact that we sort of agreed that we’re going to do a 24 months contract with them for the shipments of approximately 800 tons of concentrate a month. So they basically have done the due diligence on the deposit itself. They determined that the possibility of us not being able to deliver is definitely in our favour, that it looks good.

Bhakti Pavani

Analyst · Euro Pacific Capital

The last question is on Bralorne, you just mentioned in your prepared remarks that the tailings – the work on the tailings embankment is going to start next week and you guys are waiting for the new appointment for the new tailings. Was just trying to understand with regards to the production of 120 tons per day, what kind of timeline should we be expecting?

David Wolfin

Analyst · Euro Pacific Capital

Timeline to start up.

Bhakti Pavani

Analyst · Euro Pacific Capital

Yes.

David Wolfin

Analyst · Euro Pacific Capital

We are planning to start up once the tailings embankment is complete, so probably within next four to six weeks.

Bhakti Pavani

Analyst · Euro Pacific Capital

So that’s when you guys would – that’s when the production would start at Bralorne?

David Wolfin

Analyst · Euro Pacific Capital

Correct.

Bhakti Pavani

Analyst · Euro Pacific Capital

So what about the permits for the new tailings, would there be – I mean is it important to get that permits before starting production or that would be okay if you guys start production and later you receive the permits?

David Wolfin

Analyst · Euro Pacific Capital

The permit for the new tailings is Mexico. We applied for a permit to build the new tailings facility in Mexico, so we’re just waiting to hear back from the authorities on that and we’ve still got a few years left in the current capacity but we want to get ahead and start on that.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from Donald Steenkamp who was retired.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

My question was answered, so thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] The next question is from Mike Heim of Noble Financial. It seems like he’s gone. We’ll go on to next person. The next question is from Bob Smith who is a private investor.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Just a question on the Avino mine, what is your – can you give some color on the cash cost per ounce there or what is the expected cost, or when you guys start recognizing the revenue on there?

David Wolfin

Analyst · H.C. Wainwright

Sure. Good question, Bob. Currently we are still advancing the project and we are still – we haven’t declared production yet. During this period, we did see some fluctuations in cash costs but we’re finding them – fine-tuning them, we expect them to be consistent with San Gonzalo but until we spend some more time and have more time to analyze the results, it’s hard to give a firm number.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay, but can you give kind of a ballpark there so we can just model your costs, I understand you can’t give an exact number but I just think a ballpark would help out there.

David Wolfin

Analyst · H.C. Wainwright

Again until we make the production decisions I can’t sort of provide that information with a lot of confidence, I could have a discussion with you subsequently to have a general discussion about it but until we make the production decision, it’s a number that I have to be cautious with.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

And you said that it would probably be similar to San Gonzalo?

David Wolfin

Analyst · H.C. Wainwright

Yes.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from Mike Heim of Noble Financial.

Mike Heim

Analyst · Noble Financial

Yes, sorry about that. I was actually going to ask about some of the costs of the restart and declaring the production I think that was kind of addressed in the last question. But let me just move on to Bralorne, should we expect a similar type of time period for declaring production in Bralorne, that could start up?

David Wolfin

Analyst · Noble Financial

Declaring commercial production?

Mike Heim

Analyst · Noble Financial

Yes, same type of – sort of declaring technical feasibility and commercial viability and maybe I thought I heard you say 20 to 24 months of production before they might get declared?

David Wolfin

Analyst · Noble Financial

That’s at the Avino mine. Yes, there is – we can’t give a timeline on that. There is no feasibility study, so I mean it’s basically pilot operation at this stage and we’re planning quite a bit of exploration drilling for the future. What we wanted to do is to throw out some cash to help pay for that, so that’s what we are working towards right now.

Mike Heim

Analyst · Noble Financial

And then maybe back to the Avino mine, maybe I can address it from a different direction and kind of say any general thoughts on what level of decline in silver, gold and copper pricing you might have to see that would really start to challenge commercial viability?

David Wolfin

Analyst · Noble Financial

That’s a good question. It’s something that’s on all of our minds. We worked very hard to achieve a very low cash cost, and we are looking at additional ways to improve our cash costs and improve efficiencies. And I think we are all very comfortable at this point that we have a lot of – we still have room to move and continue our profitability. In 2001, when the mine closed, silver was below $4 and gold was below $300. So we’ve still got some room. End of Q&A

Operator

Operator

There are no more questions at this time. I will now hand the call back over to David Wolfin for closing remarks.

David Wolfin

Analyst · H.C. Wainwright

I just want to thank everybody for calling in here and taking the time to listen to our story. We are planning to continue to grow operations, and hopefully build a good profit margin and we really appreciate all of you following us and watching the developments, and we’re really excited about this new partnership with Samsung. They really want to help us grow. So keep an eye on us and let’s hope that metal prices improve in the not too distant future. Thanks again everybody. Take care.

Operator

Operator

This concludes today’s conference call. You may now disconnect your lines. Thanks for participating and have a pleasant day.