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Q2 2025 Earnings Call· Fri, Aug 8, 2025

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Operator

Operator

Good morning. Thank you for attending the Aspen Aerogels Inc. Q2 2025 Financial Results Call. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to turn the conference over to your host, Neal Baranosky, Aspen's Senior Director, Head of Investor Relations and Corporate Strategy. Thank you. You may proceed, Mr. Baranosky.

Neal Baranosky

Analyst

Thank you, Megan. Good morning, and thank you for joining us for the Aspen Aerogels Second Quarter 2025 Financial Results Conference Call. With us today are Don Young, President and CEO; and Ricardo Rodriguez, Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer. The press release announcing Aspen's financial results and business developments and the slide deck that will accompany our conversation today are available on the Investors section of Aspen's website, www.aerogel.com. During this call, we will refer to non- GAAP financial measures, including adjusted EBITDA and adjusted net income. The reconciliations between GAAP and non-GAAP measures are included in the back of the slide presentation and earnings release. On today's call, management will make forward-looking statements about our expectations. These statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause our actual results to differ materially. These risks and uncertainties include the factors identified in our filings with the SEC. Please review the disclaimer statements on Page 1 of the slide deck as the content of our call will be governed by this language. I'd also like to note that from time to time in connection with the vesting of restricted stock units and/or stock options issued under our long-term equity incentive program, we expect that our Section 16 officers will file Forms 4 to report the sale and/or withholding of shares in order to cover the payment of taxes and/or the exercise price of options. I also want to highlight a few near-term IR engagements. On Monday, August 11, Ricardo and I will be hosting one-on-one virtual meetings at the Oppenheimer 28th Annual Technology Internet & Communications Conference. On Tuesday, August 12 and Wednesday, August 13, Don and Ricardo will be hosting one-on-one meetings at Canaccord Genuity's 45th Annual Growth Conference at the Intercontinental Boston Hotel. Both conferences will also feature fireside chats, the live webcast of these presentations can be found on the Investors section of Aspen's website. I'll now turn the call over to Don. Don?

Donald R. Young

Analyst

Thanks, Neal. Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us for our Q2 2025 earnings call. My comments will cover our CFO transition, the expected impact of simplifying and streamlining our organization, our operating performance and our view of the current environment and second half outlook. Ricardo will amplify these points with his comments. We look forward to your questions. As we announced in our Q2 earnings press release, Ricardo plans to step down from his position as Chief Financial Officer at the end of the third quarter. Ricardo joined the company in November 2021 as the Chief Strategy Officer and assumed the role of CFO in April 2022. He has been an invaluable partner to me these past years. He has elevated our game in many ways, which has directly resulted in our strong balance sheet and overall financial position. I'm deeply grateful for Ricardo's many contributions to Aspen and have no doubt that he has great things ahead in his career. We are pleased to announce that Grant Thoele will become Aspen's Chief Financial Officer at the end of the third quarter. Grant currently serves as our Chief of Staff to the CEO and our VP of Corporate Strategy and Finance. He has been with Aspen since 2021 and has played a pivotal role in shaping our financial strategy, including our mid-cap financing and our recent cost optimization efforts. Grant will be returning from parental leave later in August, and will continue to work closely with Ricardo and the senior executive team to ensure a seamless transition. Our core objective is to build a strong, profitable, capital-efficient business. The focus during the first half of the year was to streamline and simplify the organization to optimize our cost structure, drive profitability and build resilience. We have made significant…

Ricardo C. Rodriguez

Analyst

Thank you, Don, and good morning, everyone. I'm happy to report another quarter on behalf of our team, starting on Slide 3. We delivered $78 million of revenue in Q2, which translates into a 34% year-over-year decline and a nearly flat trend quarter-over- quarter. The annual run rate of approximately $312 million came in on the higher end of our expectations for the quarter. You may recall that we were expecting between $70 million and $80 million of revenues for Q2. Our Energy Industrial segment's revenue saw a significant decrease in quarterly revenues to $22.8 million or 38% year-over-year. This reflects the dynamics that Don mentioned in his remarks regarding inventory rebalancing of distributors and contractors, along with the near-term absence of new projects from end users. Don also mentioned the absence of subsea demand in the quarter. Live input from the field from our team, along with oil prices that are over 20% lower year-over-year, along with refining capacity being fully utilized in the summer months, lead us to believe that turnarounds and new projects are being retimed for the fall of this year and next year. EV thermal barrier demand of $55.2 million represents a 32% decrease year-over-year as demand aligned with a lower vehicle production schedule at our key customers. General Motors continues gaining U.S. market share, and it is encouraging to see the production volumes not just stabilize, but increased meaningfully quarter-over-quarter. This led our revenues in this segment to increase by 14% quarter-over-quarter. In Q2, company-level gross profit margins were 32% and our gross profit of $25.3 million represented a 51% decline over the same quarter last year. Our Energy Industrial business was still able to maintain gross margins of 36%, thanks to our flexible surprise strategy on lower revenues. And our EV Thermal Barrier…

Donald R. Young

Analyst

Thank you, Ricardo. Before we move to Q&A, I would like to reiterate that we believe that electrification through this decade will be a major driver for both our Thermal Barrier and Energy Industrial businesses. With a strong foundation in place, we are confident in our ability to adapt, innovate and deliver both critical solutions to our customers and durable value to our shareholders. Our decisive actions this year reflect our commitment to building a resilient, growth-oriented and profitable business. Megan, let's turn to Q&A, please.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question will go to the line of Eric Stine with Craig-Hallum.

Eric Stine

Analyst

Maybe -- gosh, a lot of things here. Maybe to start with Energy Industrial. I know that in Q1, you did call out distributor destocking. But it did seem like at least the thought then was that, that was relatively a short-term dynamic. And then this quarter, I mean, it seems pretty clear that, that's ongoing. Any updated thoughts? I mean, it doesn't sound like you believe that this segment grows this year, and that would be pretty tough given the start. But just maybe where do you think distributors stand on this?

Donald R. Young

Analyst

Thanks, Eric. We've made a dent in those inventories in our distributors, but we have still ways to go. We -- our project revenue is just lower than we anticipated. I think we could have done a better job coming into the year seeing that pipeline, frankly. And -- but we are -- as I said in my comments, we see good activity in some of our partner companies and customers. I mentioned TechnipFMC, for example, who are winning projects here in 2025 that we do think will translate into revenue for us in 2026. And Eric, I would also just add -- we have seen this sort of cycle before, of course, where we have a surge in project revenue and then a dip. And again, we could have done a better job anticipating this, I think. But having said that, we're confident that we'll work our way out of it, work through those distributor inventories and win our fair share of projects and get this thing growing, again, at gross margins that have been consistent with our recent performance.

Eric Stine

Analyst

Yes. And I would think this go around, that was made worse by the fact that it is supply constrained, right? I mean, distributors not used -- very long lead times that all of a sudden, no longer the case?

Donald R. Young

Analyst

It's a great point. Let's face it. We were capacity constrained, inconsistent capacity for, what, 5 or 6 quarters. And just turning the corner on that, we again, we might have been able to anticipate that a little bit differently. But again, I think our EI revenue in the second half will be somewhat on par with what it was in the first half as we work through these issues.

Eric Stine

Analyst

Got it. Okay. That is helpful. Maybe then just turning to PyroThin. I know GM put out their July sales, and they were quite strong. And I would think that, that's got a positive read-through to just working through any excess inventory that they may have. As you think about the tax credit expiring, where do you see things as you stand today? I mean, do you believe that third quarter sales there means pretty steady volumes for you over the back half of the year? Or maybe how do you think that the third quarter or fourth quarter might be weighted in that segment?

Ricardo C. Rodriguez

Analyst

Yes. I mean I think just going back to my remarks there on this one, Eric. I do see more optimistic view in Q4 than one would think just based on the tax credit going away. But if you look at how much market share GM has gained mostly at Tesla expense within the EV market, we have a couple of slides in the appendix of the deck that show just how much of a gain GM has made. And I don't think they're going to let go of that market share, right? I mean it's been pretty clear that GM's longer-term North Star to have a high EV mix, and they'll be driving that with or without the $7,500 credit. And if you look at how much market share they've gained on the coastal markets here in the U.S. yes, I just don't think that, that's something that they're ready to walk away from, given that the demand is clearly there.

Eric Stine

Analyst

Yes. Okay. And maybe just sneaking one last one in, just to clarify. So Ricardo, did you unclear whether or how much is left to spend for Plant 2 if it's largely wrapped up or if there's more to go to get it in a position to monetize it?

Ricardo C. Rodriguez

Analyst

Yes, at this point is pretty much wrapped up. I mean, we have less than $10 million to spend but then as I mentioned, we believe that we can recoup over $50 million here over the next several quarters. So I think we've rounded the bend we actually paid out the last large invoice towards Plant 2 here in July. And it was booked in June, and we're well past it and looking to move on from that.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Colin Rusch with Oppenheimer.

Colin William Rusch

Analyst · Oppenheimer.

Can you talk about design in activity with new OEMs? And how that's trending here over the last quarter or 2 and when we might start to see some real meaningful incremental revenue from EV OEMs either later this year or next year?

Ricardo C. Rodriguez

Analyst · Oppenheimer.

Yes, Colin, I mean, as you read in the press every day, there's quite a bit of flux around the product plans at these automakers as they are all reacting to some pretty drastic policy changes over the past several weeks. But we do see -- when you look at the pipeline, we do see a couple of anchor OEMs that are going to drive incremental revenues within the Thermal Barrier segment over the next 6 quarters. The main ones are Stellantis, like that's not changing. The policy in Europe is not changing. The volumes there are expected to ramp up here in the fourth quarter of this year and next year. And then we have Daimler in 2027. The other OEMs are going through either a process of assessing their time line or switching cells from -- mostly away from North rolled over to a different cell supplier, and we're still very well in the mix, but that's obviously pushing the timing of those launches to the second half of 2026 and some of them potentially even later. When it comes to new quoting activity, I mean, the team is busy as ever. We -- the trend that we had here in Q1 of record-level prototyping and quoting activity here in this building that Don and I are in right now is still holding up. But you obviously need to be realistic and look at what the longer-term product pipeline of these OEMs is, they're all just reacting to the recent policy changes in the U.S. And while at the same time, coming up with a way to compete in China, which has an over 50% EV mix and then Europe, where we're seeing a resurgence of EVs as well. So as we supply some of these European OEMs, we do see that we're very well positioned in Europe to continue adding wins definitely next year. And you're going to see the results of a lot of this prototyping and development work and technical sales work that the team is doing today.

Donald R. Young

Analyst · Oppenheimer.

Colin, I would just add, I was with the senior leadership of ACC in Europe at the end of Q2, and they are making strides with their productivity and quality of making sales for the European market, which is encouraging for us.

Colin William Rusch

Analyst · Oppenheimer.

And then from an R&D perspective, obviously, you guys have made some pretty meaningful innovations in and around product development for the various battery applications. I'm just curious about how much there can shift in terms of what you're offering or how much you can change or improve the offering out to OEMs as we see kind of optimizing -- optimized vehicle designs as well as some evolution on the battery, geometries and chemistries. I guess, how should we think about the product cycle for you guys and when we might start seeing some meaningful shifts in that?

Donald R. Young

Analyst · Oppenheimer.

We've done work with our existing OEMs and with prospective OEMs as they work through their chemistry expansions, if you will. And I mean, General Motors is a good example of that. And our R&D group and our design group are engaged with Asia-based companies, European-based companies and the U.S. OEMs as well, trying to stay current and ahead and really being thought leaders with these companies. Colin, I would just -- tangential to that, we are -- it is interesting, we are the emphasis on having U.S.-based supply of these materials has been a positive for us. I think the OEMs, and I said this in my prepared remarks, view this favorably, and that's an important element of our ability to supply domestic product here in the U.S. as well.

Ricardo C. Rodriguez

Analyst · Oppenheimer.

Yes. Maybe just to add, Colin, the requirements are no longer moving target at all, and that makes R&D and all the development and the technical sales work way more efficient. And so I think the company is going to benefit from that greatly here given that we know what the requirements are pretty clearly and how we can meet them relative to any potential option that the OEMs could be looking at.

Operator

Operator

Our next question will go to the line of Ryan Pfingst with B. Riley.

Ryan James Pfingst

Analyst

I'll ask one follow-up on Energy Industrial. You've talked about the potential '27 revenue buildup of $175 million or even higher with potential expansion areas. Just curious given your comments earlier, Don, if you still feel confident in the path to get there? And maybe if you could give us a sneak preview of how you're thinking about growth in 2026, given the activity you talked about with Subsea and LNG projects starting to show again?

Donald R. Young

Analyst

Look, our goal right now, Ryan, is to be sure that we're well positioned to participate in the project side of our business. And I said it in my comments, historically, it's been about 40% of our revenue. And it represents -- typically, it represents almost all of our variability from year-to-year. And so our project teams are focused to be sure that we get back on track and participate in any and all Subsea projects and LNG projects. And we believe that we will do that. With respect to 2026, we firmly believe that we will begin a new growth pattern at high gross profit margins. And we've increased those profit margins significantly, a combination of productivity, efficiency and yields on our end and our EMF transition that we made and also some price increases along the way. So again, we believe we're in a strong position to reignite growth in that segment in 2026, both revenue and profitability.

Ryan James Pfingst

Analyst

Appreciate that, Don. And then Ricardo, you touched on it, but curious what conversations have been like with your non-GM customers that you've already signed up and have been awarded? And maybe when we could expect to see some of those shipments start to show up in a meaningful way for Aspen?

Ricardo C. Rodriguez

Analyst

Yes. As I mentioned earlier, I think you're going to see in Q4 some for ACC and definitely next year, that will ramp up. And then Daimler will become a meaningful one in 2027. And there are several with other OEMs that we haven't yet announced that could contribute in 2027 as well.

Operator

Operator

Our next question will go to the line of David Anderson with Barclays.

J. David Anderson

Analyst

So in your remarks, you were talking about lowering your fixed cost by $65 million this quarter. I was just kind of curious going forward in the Thermal Barrier revenue -- in Thermal Barrier business, how quickly you can adjust costs kind of going forward? I'm just looking at the IHS forecast, which are essentially calling for GM EV production to stay relatively flat. I'm just wondering what happens if that is materially lower? How quickly can you adjust those costs? Is it -- are you at a point now where you can kind of move things around and within a quarter, you can kind of get back to those same kind of 35% operating margins?

Donald R. Young

Analyst

Just one thing, Dave, though. Taking the $65 million, that was an endeavor that took place both in Q1 and in Q2. And so -- but to your point, look, there's no question that for us to be able to achieve 35% gross margins on the Thermal Barrier business, we do need some volume to absorb those fixed costs. We think we're in a good position today from a cost structure point of view to be able with what we see in front of us to maintain those targets of 35%. We were pretty close to that here in Q2, reporting here in Q2. And we think that those are very realistic targets. Yes, we have room around the edges to continue to fine-tune our cost structure depending on what we see going forward. But at this moment, we feel like we've done a lot of hard work. We've made a lot of tough decisions and -- but we're in a good position right now.

J. David Anderson

Analyst

And you're looking at this IHS forecast that they're putting out there, you feel confident that those are pretty close to kind of what you're hearing from GM. So I'm just a little surprised they're not more severe in terms of the declines you're expecting over the next 4 quarters?

Ricardo C. Rodriguez

Analyst

Yes. The customers are always higher than IHS. So we had to make our own calls here. But yes -- no, I mean, I think when we look at IHS today, we do see that as a realistic scenario. And then the team has really knocked on with various cost improvement projects at the plant in Rhode Island to increase our efficiency. And I think these are things that have been in the works for well over 3 years that would enable us to increase roll lengths even further. And therefore, give us more productivity because remember, a year ago, we were on a path to $650 million plus of revenues and trying to increase the capacity of the plant in Rhode Island as much as possible to be able to push out the Plant 2 decision further and further, right? And so now as the team has had a chance to take up either here on lower volumes, the -- all of these projects for continuous improvement have been accelerated. And that will give the company the necessary cost structure to improve our gross margin profile next year on comparable volumes which, to your question, Dave, I mean, even if the volumes were to go down further, I think the company will be even more resilient quarter-over-quarter here as these projects take hold.

J. David Anderson

Analyst

Okay. Ricardo. So Don, you were talking in the Energy Industrial side, you're talking about Subsea and TechnipFMC. I was a little surprised by the comments that, that's so slow considering what we've been seeing on FTI's backlog. I mean, they're going to be -- after this they'll be $30 billion over 3 years, do you think there's additional going forward $10 billion annually? Is this just a timing question because there is an enormous amount of subsea trees that are about to be installed over the next 3 or 4 years. So I guess I'm just kind of curious, your product, maybe -- and I'm -- just maybe help me understand kind of when your product is kind of ordered, I guess? Like how close to delivery or how close to when the subsea trees are installed are they ordering Aspen Aerogels? Because to me, it's just like which quarter is it or when it starts. Could you just provide a little bit of help and tell us how that works out?

Donald R. Young

Analyst

Yes. No, that's great. Look, we just came off of 2 years where we had approximately, on average, about $30 million per year, which are strong years for us. And we do -- we just feel we're in a little bit of lull because we see the same thing that you do and our activity levels are high. Typically, for us, when we win -- we come late in projects that applies both to subsea and to LNG terminals, frankly. And when we do receive an order, we typically deliver it within a quarter or maybe a quarter or 2. And so you can kind of piece that together. We see those same backlogs and activity levels that you're seeing, Dave, in your work. And again, we -- not every project, I should say, requires pipe and pipe insulation though. And so while that backlog is robust, it is a subsegment of that, that are pipe and pipe, typically the most challenging projects. Plenty of them are going to require pipe and pipe, but not every single one.

J. David Anderson

Analyst

Don, you said it was 30 -- I think I might have misunderstood you. Did you say that the revenue was down about $30 million because of Subsea? I wasn't sure what that $30 million was in reference to?

Donald R. Young

Analyst

Yes. Let me say it again. In 2023 and 2024, we averaged approximately $30 million of Subsea revenue. And our historic numbers, if you go back 10 years through the cycles, we have typically been in the range of $5 million to $15 million. And so much of our decrease for Energy Industrial overall has been because of the Subsea law. And again, we believe we're seeing the same thing that you are, that we have the opportunity to get back on a growth track as we win our fair share of these projects. And it's why I answered Ryan's question that we believe in 2026, you will see both growth and solid profitability.

J. David Anderson

Analyst

That makes a lot of sense. Ricardo, it was a pleasure working with you. Best of luck on your future endeavors.

Ricardo C. Rodriguez

Analyst

Thanks so much, Dave. I'll see you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question goes from the line of Itay Michaeli with TD Cowen.

Itay Michaeli

Analyst

Just 2 follow-ups from me. First, could we just kind of revisit the 2027 potential revenue buildup for thermal? And just if you can call out if anything has sort of significantly moved around versus, I think, the 700-plus we talked about last quarter from a launch or other volume perspective from what you know currently?

Ricardo C. Rodriguez

Analyst

We see that unchanged still, Itay. I mean the team does have a path to getting there, both on the EI side and the Thermal Barrier side. The 2 launches that I mentioned, ACC and Daimler, along with GM continuing to gain share here can help us get the 2027 number that we mentioned during the last call for Thermal Barriers. And to Don's point, I mean, even if you take what we're expecting on the Energy Industrial side for this year, add back the project work and then look at some of the other applications and markets that the team is working to start to commercialize by then, we're still confident that the company can get there.

Itay Michaeli

Analyst

That's very helpful. And then as a follow-up, I think, Ricardo, you mentioned your team has still a healthy quoting activity. I'm curious what you're seeing within that in terms of timing of future launches, the level of content, kind of maybe a bit of a regional mix of the quoting pipeline. Just kind of curious, any interesting insights to kind of glean from that?

Ricardo C. Rodriguez

Analyst

Yes. So the content is definitely tilting towards the prismatic cells and the requirements that come from that and if you recall, that's a simpler, thinner part, mostly for the European OEMs and also here in North America with the likes of GM, Ford and Rivian and others, right, we do see them taking their time more making these decisions because the OEMs are going from having a gun pointed to their head to develop EVs and start having them make up a meaningful portion of their fleet to now potentially the polar opposite, right? And so I think OEMs right now are just really getting a read on what the consumer demand level for EVs is going to be. And as that becomes clear in the first half of next year, we expect to hear on some final decisions around vehicles that have been in development for the past year or so where the OEMs have had a quote from us or a proposal for quite some time, and they just need those projects approved once they have a good idea of where consumer demand is likely to be for EVs.

Operator

Operator

Our next question will go to the line of Leanne Hayden with Canaccord Genuity.

Leanne Hayden

Analyst

Just wanted to start by following up on some previous commentary. Mercedes recently announced plans to launch 15 new EVs, I believe, in the next 2-ish years. Do you expect any impact from this, especially considering the Mercedes ACC partnership?

Ricardo C. Rodriguez

Analyst

Yes. No, thanks, Leanne. That's actually a good point. I mean, there is potential for incremental volume within the ACC Award and Mercedes is a meaningful stakeholder in ACC. So all of those units could drive incremental volumes for the cells that we are on and the packs that we are on. Those vehicles are planned right now initially for Europe, and they'll -- based on what we've read, there'll be Mercedes is kind of second attempt at cracking the EV market in the U.S.

Leanne Hayden

Analyst

Appreciate it. Okay. That's very helpful. Just one more quick one from me. Have you seen any incremental traction in alternative battery form factors like prismatic or cylindrical or anything like that?

Ricardo C. Rodriguez

Analyst

No. I mean, it's really just been prismatic and pouches primarily, mostly prismatics. And then we're seeing a lot of the hype around the innards of the cells dying down, which confirms the hypothesis that we've had for quite a while that the current form factors and the current chemistries are what the OEMs have to work with for the next 15-plus years.

Operator

Operator

Our last question will go to the line of Tom Curran with Seaport Research Partners.

Thomas Patrick Curran

Analyst

Congratulations on an impressive transformative tenure and I'd echo with Don in seeing great things ahead for you.

Ricardo C. Rodriguez

Analyst

Thank you. Thank you, Tom.

Thomas Patrick Curran

Analyst

I wanted to follow up on EI. Don, could you speak for both Subsea and LNG, what the mix was expected to be between new projects, turnaround and maintenance for each of the businesses? And to the extent any one of those 3 areas has negatively surprised, what has the nature of it been? Has it been just a delay? Have you actually seen any cancellations or other issues. Just curious for a bit more color there, both on the mix and then where -- any aspects of how the demand has materialized -- might have disappointed relative to what you anticipated?

Donald R. Young

Analyst

Yes. So on the Subsea, that is pure project work, no maintenance associated with that, no maintenance opportunities associated with that. Look, I think that has been the biggest surprise for us because as Dave Anderson cited, and I know you know, Tom, the project work Subsea that the backlogs for the next 1, 2, 3, 4 years are really quite robust. So we believe that we're in a little bit of a lull moment after 2 very strong years and that we'll -- again, we'll get our fair share, especially of the pipe and pipe projects. LNG is a combination of maintenance work and project work. The big headlines though, of course, are when we can win a project. We know from history that project work can be anywhere from $5 million per project to -- our biggest project was $40 million, an unusually large project. But that -- but those are big ranges. We do a lot of maintenance work in facilities all around the world, and that maintenance work typically gives us an opportunity to demonstrate our value proposition before those facilities go on to have an expansion, and it allows us to get ourselves in the specifications and in a good position with the engineering companies and the asset owners. So those are really the -- those are the 2 areas. I mean I think we all know that LNG forecasts are positive and North America is a strong location for exports. And again, we're in good positions, both with export facilities and in receiving terminals. So those are the 2 areas that -- where we think we've got an opportunity to reignite growth and again, maintain significant profitability in that segment.

Thomas Patrick Curran

Analyst

And Don, could you just remind us on the lead time that you tend to have with orders for each -- the Cryogel for LNG and the space for Subsea. How far in advance do you tend to get the booking ahead of when you would expect to ship?

Donald R. Young

Analyst

Yes. For Subsea, we tend to win a project and deliver it within a quarter or 2. That has been standard for us for a long time. LNG has a little bit more of a lead time. And as we work our way in, we do come, as you know, late in these projects from a build point of view. And so sometimes projects can be well underway by the time we secure our position within that facility. So these projects are not maybe 1 to 2 quarters, but maybe 2, 3 and 4 quarters in advance.

Operator

Operator

There are no additional questions waiting at this time. So I'd like to pass the conference back over to Mr. Young for closing remarks.

Donald R. Young

Analyst

Thank you, Megan. We appreciate everyone's interest in Aspen Aerogels. We look forward to reporting our third quarter results to you in early November. Thank you so much. Be well.

Operator

Operator

That concludes today's conference call. Thank you for your participation, and enjoy the rest of your day.