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Q3 2012 Earnings Call· Tue, Nov 6, 2012

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Operator

Operator

Greetings, and welcome to the Astronics Corporation Third Quarter 2012 Financial Results Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Deborah Pawlowski, Investor Relations for Astronics Corporation. Thank you. Ms. Pawlowski, you may begin.

Deborah K. Pawlowski

Analyst

Thank you, Phil, and good morning, everyone. We certainly appreciate your time and interest in Astronics. On the call today is Peter Gundermann, Astronics' President and CEO; and Dave Burney, Chief Financial Officer. They will be discussing the results of the third quarter fiscal 2012, as well as the company's strategy and outlook. We will conclude the call with a question-and-answer session. If you do not have the release from this morning, it is available on the company website at www.astronics.com. As you are aware, we may make some forward-looking statements during the formal presentation and question-and-answer portion of this teleconference. These statements apply to future events, which are subject to risks and uncertainties, as well as other factors that could cause the actual results to differ materially from where we are today. These factors are outlined in our earnings release, as well as in documents filed by the company with the Securities and Exchange Commission, which can be found at our website or at sec.gov. So with that, let me turn the call over to Pete. Peter?

Peter Gundermann

Analyst · Sidoti & Company

Thanks, Debbie, and good morning, everybody. Thanks for tuning in. We feel our third quarter was another in a series of pretty good quarters for the company, although there were quite a few moving parts that are worthy of some discussion, some mention. Our revenue for the third quarter was $68.9 million, a new quarterly record, that's up 22% over the comparable quarter from last year and up 6% sequentially over the second quarter of 2012. We were, in terms of our segments, split 95.5% Aerospace, 4.5% Test Systems. Our expenses during the quarter were a little bit complicated in some respects. Our E&D expenses were $12.8 million. That's an increase of about $2 million from our run rate over the earlier part of the year, and $3.3 million over the comparable quarter from 2011. The increase is somewhat schedule related. We had some customer pull-ins that caused us to accelerate some things, but there's also an increase -- and the indication of increased workload, and we'll talk more about that in a moment. We also had increased warranty reserve -- or an increase in our warranty reserve for the quarter of about $750,000. That's something we wouldn't expect to repeat and is related to a specific problem on a specific part that we need to address. Compared to last year, our SG&A expenses were up pretty substantially, $9.1 million or 13.2% of sales versus $6.4 million or 11.3% of sales last year. That's an increase of about $2.7 million. About $2 million of it is related to the 2 acquisitions we've done in the last 12 months, Ballard Technology and Max-Viz. The $2 million related to those acquisitions are about $1.1 million in higher compensation cost, particularly in the sales structure. Those 2 companies are structured a little bit…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Tyler Hojo from Sidoti & Company.

Tyler Hojo

Analyst · Sidoti & Company

Pete, Dave, and Deb, so just, firstly, I was hoping you could give us a little bit of an update on some of the narrow-body opportunities in the NC power market. I don't think you hit those in your prepared remarks, Pete.

Peter Gundermann

Analyst · Sidoti & Company

Yes. I don't think I have any specific to add on those today, Tyler, other than we continue to see a trend where the narrow-body opportunity is materializing for the company. We, as you know, have introduced and are developing some new products specific towards that market. And those are in kind of the testing, kind of final development stage. I'm hoping we can announce something, in terms of launch customers, right towards the end of this year. But I think it's pretty safe to say that there's a widespread interest and recognition that USB-based power systems will be a strong part of the future, and today, are really taking hold. I just spent 2 days at the NBAA trade show, National Business Aircraft Association (sic) [National Business Aviation Association]. It's kind of the world's trade show -- best trade show for the Business Jet and General Aviation unit. And one of the things that's happening in that community is -- not only passenger amenities are important, obviously, for the gulf streams of the world, but also pilots are increasingly are taking their iPads into the cockpit. They want ready and available power. And we've adapted some systems specifically towards the business jet community. And I walked away from that trade show increasingly convinced that not only are passengers in first [ph] transport, but pilots and passengers and the business jet community also are really interested in this USB capability. And I think we've got the right product at the right time. But at this point, I don't have specific, a word to talk about.

Tyler Hojo

Analyst · Sidoti & Company

Okay, that's fair. And just in context with kind of the increased E&D guidance that you gave, it sounded like it was more outside of, kind of In-Seat Power. I mean, is that accurate or -- I mean, has the kind of spending budget for kind of, narrow-body and business jet In-Seat Power kind of going up here?

Peter Gundermann

Analyst · Sidoti & Company

A good question. We don't break out our engineering and development expenses by our product lines. But I can tell you that we do spend money where we see opportunities and those opportunities may or may not line up with where our existing revenues come from. And your observation is correct in that we are spending a disproportionate amount of money today in our business jet endeavors in general, and our Aircraft Power product line specifically. I mean, I think Airframe Power, at this point, is only 7.5% of our total revenues. It's getting a lot more than that in terms of our investment. But again, our vision there is that we think we can bring new technology to a class of airplanes, which really needs it and doesn't otherwise get it. And we think that if we can apply our technology effectively to the new generation of airframes as they're being introduced and developed, that someday, we will have a very strong market position and franchise in that area. And I think that's largely happening. Airframe development efforts don't happen every day and they take a long time to complete. But I'm pretty pleased with the progress we're making there. That's not to say that we don't do whatever we can do to support our more major product lines and certainly, anything that we can do to support our EmPower franchise, our In-Seat Power, which is basically a passenger amenity in commercial transport, we do it, no doubt about that.

Tyler Hojo

Analyst · Sidoti & Company

Okay, great. And just one last question for me. You mentioned an aircraft lighting award that you won, but you can't really discuss yet. I'm just curious if maybe you can just comment on what end market it addresses. I know you're predominantly focused on kind of the some of the military and business jet markets, within the product line today.

Peter Gundermann

Analyst · Sidoti & Company

Yes. This is a foreign military venture.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Kevin Ciabattoni with KeyBanc Capital Markets.

Kevin Ciabattoni

Analyst · Kevin Ciabattoni with KeyBanc Capital Markets

Just going back to the E&D expense. Your outlook for the year has kind of been listed here for 3 quarters in a row. I was wondering if you could give some color on how much of that increase is coming from, not legacy platforms obviously, but stuff that you've been working on versus new wins over the last couple of quarters.

Peter Gundermann

Analyst · Kevin Ciabattoni with KeyBanc Capital Markets

Well, I guess I'd say most of all the increase is driven by new wins. We have some situations where, like any company in aerospace, has developments that you think are going to end up costing at least 1.2 or 1.3. So some of the increase is due to that, and some of the increase -- we also end up in situations where customers tell us they want one thing and we run down that road and we get just about to the end of the road, and then the customers flip around and say, well, actually what we wanted was this other thing. And you have to backtrack a couple miles and start all over again, go in a slightly different direction. So we've seen some of that. And then you end up in a discussion as to whether that's a billable type of change to the requirement. So we have some of those going, too. But I'd say the majority of the cost increase is driven by market wins and new products that we're actively developing, actively working on.

Kevin Ciabattoni

Analyst · Kevin Ciabattoni with KeyBanc Capital Markets

Okay, good. And then Military and Biz Jet were both down sequentially in the quarter. I know, Biz Jet had a pretty strong 2Q. Just wondering if you could give some color on kind of the quarter-to-quarter shift there.

Peter Gundermann

Analyst · Kevin Ciabattoni with KeyBanc Capital Markets

Yes. Well, in the business jet world specifically?

Kevin Ciabattoni

Analyst · Kevin Ciabattoni with KeyBanc Capital Markets

Biz Jet and Military, if you don't mind?

Peter Gundermann

Analyst · Kevin Ciabattoni with KeyBanc Capital Markets

Okay. Well Military is, for us, largely a spares exercise, and tied to some strict development programs. We're on every rotary wing, those are continuing to have -- see pretty stable production. Joint Strike is getting to be more of an important program for us and will continue to do so, and the V-22 also. But a big part of it is spares, and those spares can be a little bit lumpy and a little bit difficult to predict. So we don't -- it can be up one quarter and down another quarter. We try not to get too excited about it. We have seen some program wrap-ups, at least temporarily on some of our missile programs, Tactical Tomahawks, one that we put a lot of time into. So that could explain some of the decline. In the business jet world, I think my read on it is that when the year began most people in the industry thought that this was going to be a rebound year in terms of new airframe production. And our products are primarily used when airplanes are built. So we're tied to the bill cycle there. And I think at this point, being a majority of the way through the year, it's pretty clear that the increase that was envisioned has not materialized, is not going to materialize. So production rates are steady, I think they were -- the OEMs were buying at a quicker rate early in the year, so we shipped them more in expectation of stronger production rates, and then as they whittle them back, obviously, they have to bleed off inventory so they buy less from us. So I think that explains a little bit why we're down. Going back to my NBAA experience, I think it's pretty clear that the boom or -- not the boom, the increase that was expected this year now is perhaps pushed off 1 year or 2. And I think the industry looks at it more as treading in water in the business jet world for the next year or 2. We should do better than that as we continue to put more content on new airplanes. And when we look at the business jet world, what we're primarily concerned about is getting our systems, our higher value-added systems, on new airplanes as they go into development. And one of our frustrations that I alluded to earlier is we can work on a program for 1 year, 1.5 years sometimes, and depending on the OEMs, they just don't formally announce the program themselves so they don't let us formally announce it. And that's, at least, one of the situations that we're in right now, in terms of our engineering and development. So that's a long answer to a short question. Did I get it for you?

Kevin Ciabattoni

Analyst · Kevin Ciabattoni with KeyBanc Capital Markets

Yes, you did. Just staying on that a little bit. What are your thoughts for -- or what are you guys baking in, in terms of Hawker for next year or the rest of this year?

Peter Gundermann

Analyst · Kevin Ciabattoni with KeyBanc Capital Markets

Well, Hawker Beech has been, I think they're formally now going by Beechcraft by the way, but they've been a little bit of a drama for the last 1.5 years. They've been a customer of ours for 25 years. We're on every plane they built. Hawker Beech recently announced its intention, as part of a bankruptcy resurrection, to drop its jet production line. So they've, up till this year, built 4 or 5 different jet models, including the Hawker Aircraft, a couple developed by Beech. They're going to stop that production. They're basically going to be a propeller company. That means they're going to build something called the JPATS airplane, Joint Primary Aircraft Training System, which they have been marketing with a lot of derivative for a number of years. Their big thing will be the King Airs. They've got 3 different versions at this point, and they build 100-plus airplanes a year. And then they've got a couple of piston airplanes, the Baron and Bonanza. We're on all those airplanes. We think that those airplanes actually offer some good growth opportunity for us, to the extent that they're stable and proven airframes and they have a mix of military and commercial customers. And there's reason to believe that the basic systems on those airplanes, including their electrical systems, will need to be updated. And so, we have ambition to work with Hawker Beech, or Beechcraft, in those areas. We also are working on some lighting upgrades. If you follow the trade press. I don't I think we released these in the press release.

Kevin Ciabattoni

Analyst · Kevin Ciabattoni with KeyBanc Capital Markets

Yes. I thought I saw that the other day. Yes.

Peter Gundermann

Analyst · Kevin Ciabattoni with KeyBanc Capital Markets

Okay. So we've got some -- our Max-Viz organization has some work going on, on the King Airs and now it's passed ECs [ph] recently, and we're doing some upgrades in terms of LED lighting on, specifically, I think the Baron and the -- which is a twin-engine piston, and the King Airs have been announced. But we have a lot of friends in Wichita, at Hawker Beech, and we're going to do what we can to help them through this muddle, and we think they've got a pretty strong product franchise in propeller airplanes. So we understand that strategy.

Kevin Ciabattoni

Analyst · Kevin Ciabattoni with KeyBanc Capital Markets

Great. And then, just one housekeeping and I'll jump off. If you guys can give what the Panasonic revenue was in the quarter.

Peter Gundermann

Analyst · Kevin Ciabattoni with KeyBanc Capital Markets

Panasonic in the quarter was $27 million.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Dick Ryan with Dougherty & Company LLC.

Richard Ryan

Analyst · Dougherty & Company LLC

Pete, when you look at the recent quarter, and if you were able to strip out the warranty and the extra E&D, you're looking at maybe an operating margin in that 17-ish percent range. You indicated E&D would be at the same level next year, but if you look out a couple of years down the road, I mean, could operating margins get to the kind of 18% to 20% range or would this -- I mean, is this kind of giving us an indication of the kind of leverage that exists?

Peter Gundermann

Analyst · Dougherty & Company LLC

I think, I guess, I look at the quarter as being very strong from a revenue and booking quarter. And I look at it as kind of a culmination of a bunch of timing issues that selectively hurt a little bit compared to where you might expect us to be. So your question is a little bit beyond our detailed planning horizon. But I think, there's certainly room for increased revenue and relative efficiency in terms of our cost going forward. But, as always, that cost structure or the E&D expense is at least in part driven by our success in the market. And 2 years out, it's kind of difficult to predict where we're going to be. Again, we think we have a chance to really establish ourselves in certain markets, and as A-list customers bring up their airplane development programs, if we get invited to participate, we're going to go after that pretty aggressively. So if 3 or 4 of those companies, this time next year, have announced plans that include us, that could really drive our E&D expense in 2014 and '15 for example. But if we get to this point next year and the jet market is still depressed, then actually it could go down. I wouldn't rule that out. So I don't mean to duck your question, Dick, it's just a hard one to answer that far out.

Richard Ryan

Analyst · Dougherty & Company LLC

Yes, sure. The airframe programs you mentioned, the Lear and then the other 2, are they are contributing in 2014?

Peter Gundermann

Analyst · Dougherty & Company LLC

To revenue?

Richard Ryan

Analyst · Dougherty & Company LLC

Yes.

Peter Gundermann

Analyst · Dougherty & Company LLC

Not realistically, no.

Richard Ryan

Analyst · Dougherty & Company LLC

Okay. And, Dave, maybe one -- how should we look at the tax rate going forward?

David Burney

Analyst · Dougherty & Company LLC

31%, 32%, 33%. One thing to be aware of is that if our government decides that they want to reinstate the R&D tax credit after the election, we could have a positive adjustment to our rate to recognize R&D tax credit in the fourth quarter or next year, if it happens next year.

Richard Ryan

Analyst · Dougherty & Company LLC

What sort of impact could that have?

David Burney

Analyst · Dougherty & Company LLC

Oh gosh. In the initial quarter, we'll have a big catch up, presumably. So it'll have a significant impact on the rate in that quarter, then on an ongoing basis, I would think it would have an impact of somewhere between 2 and 5 percentage points on the rate.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Michael Callahan with Topeka Capital Markets.

Michael Callahan

Analyst · Michael Callahan with Topeka Capital Markets

I guess, just first off, and I apologize if you already said this, but for the E&D expense for next year, is that going to be roughly equal across the quarters or is it going to be pretty lumpy? Or just how should we be thinking about that?

Peter Gundermann

Analyst · Michael Callahan with Topeka Capital Markets

I would think of it as pretty equal. We end up at certain crunches where we're doing a lot of testing and things like that, which requires outside services. But for the most part, that level balances out.

Michael Callahan

Analyst · Michael Callahan with Topeka Capital Markets

So this isn't really related to one or even just a couple of programs, it's just kind of even across the board?

Peter Gundermann

Analyst · Michael Callahan with Topeka Capital Markets

Yes, that's the way I'd model it.

Michael Callahan

Analyst · Michael Callahan with Topeka Capital Markets

Okay. And then I guess the only thing I want to touch on is we hadn't talked about sequestration at all today. I know your actual Military segment isn't that large, but including FAA and Test Systems, 25-ish percent. Have you guys done any work as to what your plans are there? Is there any specific area that you're more or less concerned about, especially maybe, as it relates to FAA? Is there a chance that really gets kind of, I guess hit disproportionately from what we see in the rest of Defense?

Peter Gundermann

Analyst · Michael Callahan with Topeka Capital Markets

Well, the FAA budget is a valid thing to ask about. It's a little bit of a catfight every year. I guess, we think that we've been operating at a fairly low level anyway, so we wouldn't expect too much harm there. As for our overall defense work, I guess, we think most of it's reasonably locked in on pretty good programs. So, from a risk standpoint, unless like Joint Strike were to be killed, that would certainly affect our outlook for years. But we don't expect that to be the case, and we haven't done a whole lot of testing or conditioning of our expectations accordingly, I mean. We think we are on a pretty good distribution of programs and I'm sure hoping that our government finds its way to a more rational approach to managing its fiscal hell. But we don't expect that we would come up with a sequestration adjustment to our short-term expectation.

Michael Callahan

Analyst · Michael Callahan with Topeka Capital Markets

Okay, and then maybe just lastly, on the sequential decline on the Military segment this quarter. Is that more -- you had mentioned some programs kind of ended or at least temporarily ended. I guess, were those all planned events or was there just some general slowdown in orders as well that maybe took you by surprise?

Peter Gundermann

Analyst · Michael Callahan with Topeka Capital Markets

I'd say it was more just timing and circumstances. We don't view it as a trend at all.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] There are no further questions at this time. I would like to turn the floor over to management for closing comments.

Peter Gundermann

Analyst · Sidoti & Company

Okay, very good. I'd like to thank everybody, again, for tuning in. We look forward to the fourth quarter. And we'll end the call now. I encourage everybody to go out and exercise their civil duty and to vote. Thanks for your attention.

Operator

Operator

This concludes today's teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.