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Q3 2025 Earnings Call· Tue, Nov 4, 2025

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Operator

Operator

Greetings, and welcome to the Astronics Corporation Third Quarter Fiscal Year 2025 Financial Results. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce Craig Mychajluk. Thank you. You may begin.

Craig Mychajluk

Analyst

Yes. Thank you, and good afternoon, everyone. We appreciate your time today and your interest in Astronics. Joining me here are Pete Gundermann, our Chairman, President and CEO; and Nancy Hedges, our Chief Financial Officer. Our third quarter results crossed the wires after the market closed today, and you can find that release on our website at astronics.com. As you are aware, we may make forward-looking statements during the formal discussion and the Q&A session of this conference call. These statements apply to future events that are subject to risks and uncertainties as well as other factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from what is stated here today. These risks and uncertainties and other factors are provided in the earnings release as well as with other documents filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission. You can find those documents on our website or at sec.gov. During today's call, we'll also discuss some non-GAAP measures, which we believe will be useful in evaluating our performance. You should not consider the presentation of this additional information in isolation or as a substitute for results prepared in accordance with GAAP. We have provided reconciliations of non-GAAP measures with comparable GAAP measures in the table that accompany today's release. So with that, I'll turn it over to Pete to begin.

Peter Gundermann

Analyst · Craig-Hallum

Thanks, Craig. Hello, everybody, and welcome to our third quarter call. We feel it was a very positive quarter, and we are pleased to share the results. As is our practice, I'll start off with a summary of the headlines for the quarter, then Nancy will go through the financial fine points, then we will discuss expectations for the future for both the fourth quarter and also we'll take an early look at 2026. Finally, we'll open up the lines for questions. The first headline for the quarter is that we had solid volume with revenue of $211.4 million. This is our second highest quarterly level ever and just marginally below our record. That sales level is a tick up from the first couple of quarters of 2025 and is the result of broad-based demand across our product lines, markets and customers as well as improved performance in our supply chain and better efficiencies in our production system. Our Aerospace segment led the way with sales of $192.7 million, a level consistent with recent periods. Our Test business had sales of $18.7 million, which is down from the third quarter of 2024, but higher than the earlier 2 quarters of this year. The second headline has to do with margins. As one would expect, higher revenue together with efficiency improvements have led to higher margins. Operating margin of 10.9% in the quarter was higher than last year's 4.1%. Adjusted operating margin, taking into account expenses related to restructuring, litigation and acquisitions was 12.3% for the quarter. Our Aerospace segment specifically had operating margin of 16.2%, generating all of our operating income for the quarter. Test operating margin was essentially breakeven at negative 0.1% while no one is happy with 0% operating margin, this actually represents progress and is a testament…

Nancy Hedges

Analyst · Craig-Hallum

Thanks Pete. I'll review profitability and various accounting and other events related to our Q3 2025 financials. We had gross profit of $64.5 million, up nearly 17% compared with the prior year period as the benefits of higher volume, pricing actions and productivity improvements helped to offset the $4 million impact of tariffs in the quarter. Last year's third quarter also had a $3.5 million impact from an atypical warranty reserve. Gross margin of 30.5% reflects the 31.4% gross margin realized by the Aerospace business, which was muted somewhat by the Test segment gross profit of 21.6%. R&D expense declined $2.3 million to $10.2 million or 4.8% of sales based on the timing of projects. We believe we're at a more normalized run rate currently at about 5% of sales. Of course, this can vary based on the timing and opportunity of new projects. The $3.1 million decline in SG&A expense was primarily the result of a $4.3 million decline in litigation expense. While it's been quite a while since we can claim any form of normalcy, historically, we've operated the business with SG&A at about 14% to 15% of sales. Operating income was up over 2.5x to $23 million. We recorded a loss on debt settlement of $32.6 million. I'll cover the details of the accounting treatment for the new 0% convertible bond in the cap call here in a bit. We had a $1.2 million tax benefit as we reversed the valuation allowance for R&D expenses that can now be deducted in the current year for tax purposes as a result of recent tax reform. Notably, we generated $34 million of cash in the quarter and had free cash flow of $21 million, driven by strong cash earnings combined with lower working capital requirements. I should point out…

Peter Gundermann

Analyst · Craig-Hallum

Thank you, Nancy. I'll now turn the discussion to the future and what we expect for both the fourth quarter and our initial expectations for 2026. We expect the fourth quarter to be a step change for the company. We have generated average revenue of $207 million over the first 3 quarters of 2025. In the fourth quarter, however, we are expecting revenue to climb to a range of $225 million to $235 million, which is a significant step-up. The increase is due in part to our recent German acquisition, but mostly to the various market forces that are driving our business. The higher volume should mean good things for our income statement as we typically see 40% to 50% marginal contribution on incremental revenue dollars. Further, we think the higher volume expected in the fourth quarter will provide a baseline for 2026. We are not ready yet to issue formal revenue guidance for next year, but we are well along in our budgeting process, and it appears 2026 will be a year of solid growth. Our belief at this point is that we will see 10% growth or better. We are working to refine the range and expect to release initial revenue guidance closer to year-end 2025. You may ask what is driving the growth? Our company has been and continues to benefit from a wide range of industry trends. I'll cover the major ones briefly, and I'll try to be concise. First and most obviously, increasing OEM build rates are a big positive for us. Narrow-body and wide-body production rates are trending up at both Airbus and Boeing and to a lesser extent, across private aviation OEMs also. Our typical content for major aircraft programs is spelled out on our investor presentation, which is available on our website.…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] First question comes from Greg Palm with Craig-Hallum.

Greg Palm

Analyst · Craig-Hallum

Congrats on the results, the execution and probably most impressively, the profitability or operating leverage in the quarter. I wanted to maybe first maybe bridge Q3 to Q4 in terms of the expectation, what is built in for Test relative to the revenue that you achieved in Q3?

Peter Gundermann

Analyst · Craig-Hallum

We expect Test to take a little step up. I don't have that in front of me. I guess it's in the $20 million, $21 million range. They were at $18 million in the third quarter. So that will be a little bit of a step-up, but it will be their strongest revenue quarter for 2025. So it hopefully lays a good foundation as we round the corner to 2026 also.

Greg Palm

Analyst · Craig-Hallum

Okay. So that implies that aerospace should see a bigger step-up even excluding the impact of acquisitions. So I guess it begs the question, what are you seeing there, whether it's increased build rates, whether it's higher retrofit activity, anything in military with the FLRAA program? Just a little bit more color on maybe the step-up there expected in Q4.

Peter Gundermann

Analyst · Craig-Hallum

Yes. I'd say a couple of things. First of all, we are expecting a general ramp between where we were in Q3 and where we will be in the first quarter. I'm getting a little bit ahead of myself because we're still in the budgeting process, but the early look at 2026 is that we'll run a sustained rate that's above what we're forecasting for the fourth quarter. So the fourth quarter we will see, to a large extent, a general ramp across the business, but there are a few kind of significant programs that are in play, hence, the wide range of the revenue forecast for the fourth quarter. We're not sure if a lot of them are going to fall in the fourth quarter and therefore, be 2025 revenue or you always run the risk at the end of the year that things can slip into the new year. So it's a little bit of a wider range than we prefer to have at this point. But basically, it's just scheduling of major point in time -- that's not true. The revenue overtime programs for the most part.

Nancy Hedges

Analyst · Craig-Hallum

It's a mix.

Peter Gundermann

Analyst · Craig-Hallum

It's a mix.

Greg Palm

Analyst · Craig-Hallum

Yes. Understood. Okay. Well, and then I was going to maybe dovetails into my question on fiscal '26, just in terms of the confidence level at this time to provide not guidance, but expectations of that low double-digit growth. And specifically, what is baked in, in terms of the Army test program at this point? And just given the shutdown, I mean, I wouldn't have expected your visibility levels to be all that good. But what -- it still sounds like you expect that ramp-up to begin sort of end of this year, maybe early next.

Peter Gundermann

Analyst · Craig-Hallum

Yes. It's a very good question, and we are guessing a little bit, and that's a little bit why we're hedging. But long story short, we were -- when the government shut down, hoping for production turn on towards the end of the year, it might be this year, it might slip into the next year, but basically either late fourth quarter or early first quarter. At this point, we don't have reason to think that, that's going to slide a whole lot. It's probably reasonable to think it's going to slide day per day with the shutdown. And obviously, the longer the shutdown goes on, the more at-risk year-end turn on becomes. But we've had some unofficial contact with program managers and executives who have reiterated that the funding is secure. The user community really wants to have the product get going. And so it's just not obvious at this point if there's going to be a big delay there or not. So we will have to make a decision there as to what we include or what we don't include. But in general, we're still on a track where we think it's going to be a pretty significant contributor over the course of 2026.

Greg Palm

Analyst · Craig-Hallum

And just to be clear, in terms of that full year '26 expectation, there's some, I guess, presumably significant level of contribution that's baked in or not necessarily?

Peter Gundermann

Analyst · Craig-Hallum

No, there will be, absolutely. It's a -- we expect that program to be an important contributor, both top line and bottom.

Operator

Operator

Next question, John Tanwanteng with CJS Securities.

Jeremy Routh

Analyst

This is actually Jeremy on for John. Kind of working off of what we were just talking about, how should we think about the FLRAA program revenue and margin over the medium to longer term as it transitions out of development and into production?

Peter Gundermann

Analyst · Craig-Hallum

Well, into production is a little bit early to say because we don't know the ramp, and we don't have pricing ready to go on that one. We don't have pricing agreement with the customer, I should say. And also, I don't know if you're aware, but there is an active debate going on in the industry about when production is actually going to start. The Army is interested in trying to accelerate that program, which would mean production -- the production ramp would start a couple of years earlier than it otherwise would. But closer to home and from what we can tell right now, we had revenue of about $28 million in 2025 we're planning. And we're thinking that 2026 will be closer to 38% to 40%, something in that range. From a margin standpoint, it's worth pointing out that we basically have been doing development work at 0 margin thus far because we're still negotiating a development program. Once that program is developed, we will catch up on margin that we would otherwise have recognized earlier. And so it should be a pretty significant contributor as we turn the corner and go through 2026. Would you say anything?

Nancy Hedges

Analyst · Craig-Hallum

Okay. That's right.

Jeremy Routh

Analyst

Very helpful. And then switching gears a little. Could you just talk more about the Bühler and the capability it brings to the table and the accretion you're expecting over the next year?

Peter Gundermann

Analyst · Craig-Hallum

Well, it's a smaller company. We expect revenue of $20 million to $25 million. At that level, we do expect it to be profitable. So I think it's a reasonable assumption that its margin profile will be consistent with the rest of our company. It's going to report through our PGA operations. So you're basically going to take 2 competitors and have them act as one. And there are certain efficiencies that you might expect there. There's market knowledge and reach that can be beneficial. Their products basically do what a lot of our products do. We're talking about seat motion here, high-end aircraft seats, first-class seats, business class seats where you have a lot of moving surfaces, think lie flat and things like that, reclining seats. So the product lines are complementary, but they are not really interchangeable. So their products are sold to seat companies that are designed around their type of system, and our products are designed into seats and seat customers that use our system. But we'll be able to get some efficiencies. We might have some -- the market concentration might yield some pricing efficiencies. Those are things that will play out over the next few years. It's a smaller market. We don't talk a whole lot about it. But combined, we should be somewhere in the $80 million a year range.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]Next question comes from Alexandra Mandery with Truist.

Alexandra Eleni Mandery

Analyst · Truist

This is Alexandra Mandery on for Michael Ciarmoli, Truist Securities. Great results, guys. Can you talk about the integration of these 2 recent acquisitions and any additional capabilities you may look for in the future?

Peter Gundermann

Analyst · Truist

Sure. Well, the integration of BMA or Bühler will be reporting through our PGA operation in France. So that will -- that's already underway, and we intend to maintain both operations. We think moving and consolidating, it's often easier, in my opinion, to calculate savings than it is to actually achieve them. So that is not our objective. Our objective is to work efficiently from a 2 operation setup, both in Germany and in France. We're early on in that. This thing just closed 2 weeks ago, 3 weeks ago. So we've got a long ways to go, but it's a smaller operation, and so we should be able to get our hands around it pretty quickly. We don't think it represents any systemic risk necessarily whatsoever. Envoy, I think of Envoy as a consulting company. It's basically a bunch of engineers who are well versed in FAA rules and regulations. And we have it reporting through our CSC operation, which is where we do most of our connectivity and in-flight entertainment electronics out of Waukegan, Illinois. So Envoy is essentially part of CSC. The exercise that we're going to go through from an integration standpoint is figure out how we can take the Envoy expertise and apply it more broadly across our company to our other operations. And again, the real advantage of Envoy is it gives us the ability basically if we can maintain the ODA, which is our full intent to certify our own development programs, which is where we get into a competitive advantage with other companies because we can more realistically guarantee program and schedule success to our customers when they know that we can self-certify with the blessing of the FAA. That's the whole idea. And we'll report back on that as time goes by, but we do a fair amount of retrofit work. And to the extent that a company does retrofit work, having an ODA just makes it -- it's like reaching the wheels. It just makes everything go a little bit easier.

Alexandra Eleni Mandery

Analyst · Truist

Okay. Great. And then I just had one follow-up. I might have missed it, but can you add more color on 4Q guide for interest expense, CapEx and depreciation and amortization?

Nancy Hedges

Analyst · Truist

So in terms of interest expense, like Pete said, the interest rate on the ABL is -- and the RCF are very similar. We are going to have a pretty heavy CapEx quarter in the fourth quarter. So a tick up in the debt is not unexpected under the revolver. We're still carrying $33 million of debt on the convertible -- on the 5.5% convertible bond. So that will contribute as well. But then the remainder of the debt, that $225 million is at 0%. And then in terms of depreciation and amortization, that's -- I don't have those numbers, unfortunately, in front of me. I would expect a slight tick up there as well as the -- we're working through the valuation of the 2 acquisitions, but it's fair to assume that some portion of that is going to be allocated to intangibles, and there will be a life assigned to those as well, and those will start to amortize during the quarter as well. I mean I don't anticipate a material change from what our quarterly run rate has been.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. This does conclude today's teleconference. We thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect your lines at this time.