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AvePoint, Inc. (AVPT)

Q1 2025 Earnings Call· Thu, May 8, 2025

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Operator

Operator

Good day and welcome to the AvePoint, Inc. First Quarter 2025 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Mr. Jamie Arestia, Vice President, Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Jamie Arestia

Analyst

Thank you, operator. Good afternoon and welcome to AvePoint’s first quarter 2025 earnings call. With me on the call this afternoon is Dr. TJ Jiang, Chief Executive Officer and Jim Caci, Chief Financial Officer. After preliminary remarks, we will open the call for a question-and-answer session. Please note that this call will include forward-looking statements that involve risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from management’s current expectations. We encourage you to review the Safe Harbor statements contained in our press release for a more complete description. All material in the webcast is the sole property and copyright of AvePoint with all rights reserved. Please note this presentation describes certain non-GAAP measures, including non-GAAP gross profit, non-GAAP gross margin, non-GAAP operating income and non-GAAP operating margin, which are not measures prepared in accordance with U.S. GAAP. The non-GAAP measures are presented in this presentation as we believe they provide investors with a means of understanding how management evaluates the company’s operating performance. These non-GAAP measures should not be considered in isolation from, as substitutes for or superior to financial measures prepared in accordance with U.S. GAAP. A reconciliation of these measures to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures is available in our first quarter 2025 earnings press release as well as our updated investor presentation and financial tables, all of which are available on our Investor Relations website. With that, let me turn the call over to TJ.

TJ Jiang

Analyst

Thank you, Jamie and thank you to everyone joining us on the call today. I am pleased to report that our first quarter results were an excellent start to the year and a continuation of the strong momentum we displayed throughout 2024. In delivering another quarter of robust financial and operational performance, including outperforming our guidance and delivering strong growth in total AR and record growth in net new AR, we are steadily advancing toward our vision of becoming the world’s leading data management software company and achieving the billion dollar AR target for 2029 that we announced at our March 2025 Investor Day. Our Q1 results reflect two foundational themes: first, the intensifying convergence of data security, governance and resilience needs as organizations move from planning to implementing their data management strategies; and second, our increasing ability to deliver comprehensive solutions that address these interconnected challenges as companies modernize their data stores. I’ll discuss these themes in the context of current business climate, where companies around the world grapple with tariff uncertainty and the impact on their business as well as on the global economy. Even in these fluid times, AvePoint is well positioned to navigate the road ahead, given our past success in similar periods, as well as the mission critical nature of our solutions. Even when the business landscape can evolve drastically from day-to-day, the data management problems we are solving in the era of AI, including training data provenance, model explainability, and responsible surveillance, simply cannot be ignored by any company seeking to build a durable competitive advantage. Indeed, as we look across our vast customer base, we see that AI-driven strategies are beginning to shift from experimental testing to practical implementation, in turn accelerating the need for solutions that can balance security, collaboration, and innovation.…

Jim Caci

Analyst

Thanks, TJ and good afternoon everyone. Thanks for joining us today as we review our strong Q1 results, which are a testament to the team’s broad-based execution. As TJ just said, our focus remains on controlling what we can control. But this mindset is not merely about cost savings in a time of macro uncertainty. Instead, our goal for several years has been to deliver profitability improvements while strategically investing for growth and to capture the market opportunity we see. Our Q1 results are further evidence of that commitment, highlighted by an acceleration of our top line growth rates, meaningful operating margin expansion and continued improvement on a number of financial and operational metrics. So, let’s turn to the quarter. Total revenues in Q1 were $93.1 million, up 25% year-over-year and above the high-end of our guidance. On a constant currency basis, total revenues grew 27% year-over-year. SaaS continues to drive our business as we delivered first quarter revenue of $68.9 million, representing year-over-year growth of 34% and 37% on a constant currency basis. And in Q1, SaaS comprised 74% of total revenues compared to 69% a year ago. Looking at our other revenue lines, term license and support grew 12% in Q1, primarily driven by several large deals in the APAC region. And looking at our combined SaaS and term license revenues or what we consider our subscription revenues, these grew 31% in Q1, which was an acceleration from Q4. Maintenance revenue declined year-over-year both in dollars and as a percentage of total revenues as we expected. And lastly, service revenues grew 4% year-over-year, but declined as a percentage of revenues to less than 12% for the quarter. And as a result, more than 88% of our total Q1 revenues were recurring, our highest ever mix. We have often…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] The first question comes from Joe Vandrick with Scotiabank. Please go ahead.

Joe Vandrick

Analyst

Thanks for taking my question. I am curious, are you guys seeing any change in the demand environment at all, whether that would be hesitation from customers or longer sales cycles? Just would love to hear more about what exactly you are seeing.

TJ Jiang

Analyst

Thank you, Joe, for the question. So far, the demand environment remain the same versus prior quarters. We are in B2B software, addressing tech needs for enterprises and partners. Today, the top needs remain AI and security. So, those do not change. Of course, we are all monitoring the macro to see potential second order impacts that may come second half of the year. But so far, from an overall climate perspective for our business and our industry, it’s the same as prior quarters.

Joe Vandrick

Analyst

Okay. Thank you for that. And one more from me, maybe if you could just talk a bit about the competitive environment, what’s changed over the past six months? It seems like you guys are executing really well in that data governance space, specifically helping customers prepare for the widespread deployment of AI. I am curious if data governance is helping you guys drive new logo lands as companies are looking to adopt co-pilot, or is the landing point typically resilience or migration? And especially for those larger customers, where are they typically landing?

TJ Jiang

Analyst

Yes. Great question, Joe. Yes, so our confidence platform addresses resiliency, which is backup recovery, Ransomware detection. And of course, as well as modernization, which is data analytics integration, as well as control, which is governance, lifecycle management. We do see multiple entry points. We call them tip the spear to get into enterprise accounts. Historically, it has been migration to cloud, but during highly disruptive times like COVID, it’s been governance being the leading solution. So, today as enterprises move from, in my prepared remark, we talk about just experimenting to actual implementation deployment, security and governance is top of mind for the enterprise. So, that’s definitely our key motion and driver. We also discussed the prior quarter earnings that our highest growth suite is the control suite that focus around cloud unstructured data governance to prepare customers for that AI readiness posture.

Joe Vandrick

Analyst

That makes sense. Thanks for taking my question.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from Jason Ader with William Blair. Please go ahead.

Jason Ader

Analyst · William Blair. Please go ahead.

Yes. Thanks. Good afternoon, guys. TJ, for you, just want to understand a little bit more about the momentum that you are having on the MSP side. I know you did an acquisition there recently. Can you just talk through some of the dynamics, what’s going well, what you are still working on? And I don’t know if you could size that business for us, but just give us a general sense of like how significant a part of the business it is and how fast it’s growing.

TJ Jiang

Analyst · William Blair. Please go ahead.

Hi Jason. Thanks for the question. So, yes, we remain very bullish and excited about the MSP segmentation. So, recently we actually had a MSP platform launch, our new extended platform offering as a platform of elements at our Nasdaq, right after our Nasdaq Investor Day event, where we actually roll out additional functionality to help our MSPs be much more powerful end user. So, to summarize, these managed service providers, they are taking care of cloud assets for hundreds, if not thousands of small to medium businesses behind the scenes. So, they actually became – the MSP providers are using our software to scale their business, to drive this recurring monthly managed services offering. So, we become mission critical for them from the whole end-to-end, what we call confidence platform to do the data management, to do the user management. We have since expanded that in form of what we call the elements platform, which is tailor suited for partner go to market motions and in term of multi-tenant management, in term of pool licensing, monthly contracts, etcetera. So, it’s a very, very strong momentum. So, the MSP AR at the end of 2024 was 14% of our total ARR. It grew 60% per year from 2020 to 2024 basis average CAGR. It’s actually growing faster as we continue to roll out more solutions. So, we are pretty happy with our Ydentic acquisition. It’s a small revenue add, but very importantly, it’s a very important new IP expansion of our platform. You will hear more from us on this topic in the coming couple of months as we continue to roll out aggressive new offerings in this space. So, this is –we think it’s a game changer for our approach to continue to scale the business through channel, through working with partners and turn effectively our platform into their mission critical businesses applications.

Jason Ader

Analyst · William Blair. Please go ahead.

Got it. And are you steering, I guess call it the low end of your product portfolio towards elements, or are you kind of having both, are you maintaining both the traditional portfolio direct to SMBs and then having a separate portfolio for MSPs?

TJ Jiang

Analyst · William Blair. Please go ahead.

Yes. That’s a great question. So far, it’s really being our avenue to go after the small to medium businesses to really allow our enterprise grade SaaS solutions accessible to that market segment via this intermediary, which is MSPs thus far. So, what we are recently discovering is that the challenges we saw for multi-tenancy, license management, change management baseline, what we call actually exists also in the upper end spectrum of large, large enterprises. So, we actually have even closed couple of deals leveraging that platform for some of our large, very large enterprises with several hundred thousand user basis. So, it’s very interesting how the market continue to evolve. Clearly we will stay very close to our customers, whether it’s in the large enterprise segment or our MSP partners that are using us for their mission critical operations. That’s the way to stay ahead of the game as we go through this highly disruptive market condition.

Jason Ader

Analyst · William Blair. Please go ahead.

Very helpful. Thank you, guys.

TJ Jiang

Analyst · William Blair. Please go ahead.

Thank you.

Jim Caci

Analyst · William Blair. Please go ahead.

Thanks Jason.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from Nehal Chokshi with Northland Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Nehal Chokshi

Analyst · Northland Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Thank you. Absolutely breathtaking view and raise in this week business environment, congratulations.

TJ Jiang

Analyst · Northland Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Thank you.

Nehal Chokshi

Analyst · Northland Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Absolutely, I estimate that relative to the guidance color on ARR and work assistance and we were set up at excluding the impact of the favorable impacts of currency and Ydentic, it seems like there was still material upside to incremental ARR as implied by Slide 43 here when we were talking about the revenue performance. Is that correct?

TJ Jiang

Analyst · Northland Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Yes. I think in Q1 specifically, we did have a very strong quarter as you are noting. Obviously, we are only guiding to revenue and operating income in Q1. So, we see the beat there in both of those areas. We only obviously guide to ARR on an annual basis. And part of the – I would point out part of the revenue beat was a little bit of a mix shift that we saw in Q1, right, where you and I had talked about this before, but we kind of were not expecting a significant improvement in term license revenue and that came in actually ahead of anticipation in Q1. And when we think about that translating to ARR, whether it’s SaaS or term on the revenue lines is just an accounting function. But the ARR is actually the same, right, the same ARR for those two different outcomes on the revenue side. So, overall, we were really pleased with the performance in Q1, but we have actually, you can tell from our ARR guidance for the full year, other than for the FX tailwind, we are not increasing that. And that’s really a function of this larger macro environment that we are trying to be responsible and really be prudent in terms of our guidance. And again, be responsible with that. So, that’s how we are thinking about the ARR guidance for the full year.

Nehal Chokshi

Analyst · Northland Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

That’s great. Okay. Thank you. TJ, you may have already said this at the beginning of your comments. I apologize if this is a repeat, but you did talk about how you have a great purview of the market, given your 25,000 customers. Did you say, or if you did not, can you say, what percent of the 25,000 customers are generally speaking of what you believe of the overall market is now in deployment phase rather than testing of co-pilots?

TJ Jiang

Analyst · Northland Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

That’s a great question, Nehal. We would say 80% of customers are actively testing co-pilot. Deployment of co-pilot is still, it’s better than before. Microsoft have indicated as such as well, but we would say it’s still under 10%, but it is markedly better than before. What we have seen though, the bigger change, as we have stated in the prepared remarks, is the active deployment of AI type of functionalities across the businesses, leveraging AI services, whether it’s cognitive services on Azure or other type of commercial available AI services. So, that is happening. So, co-pilot, of course is very tightly associated with Office Cloud and is licensed per user, per employee across the organization. And you have also seen Microsoft make some meaningful licensing changes, where you don’t actually have to license for everyone, but still take advantage of the AI benefits. So, we see a mix of those type of formats in the field. So, yes, the actual deployment of AI is happening.

Nehal Chokshi

Analyst · Northland Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Great. Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from Kirk Materne with Evercore ISI. Please go ahead.

Chirag Ved

Analyst · Evercore ISI. Please go ahead.

Hi, this is Chirag on for Kirk. Thanks for taking the question and many congratulations on the strong start to the year. TJ, you mentioned in your prepared remarks that companies are moving from planning to implementation of their data modernization and management strategies. I just wanted to ask, how much further along are we on this timeline now, compared to a quarter ago, a few quarters ago, and how long do you think these data modernization tailwinds will last for or will persist? Thank you.

TJ Jiang

Analyst · Evercore ISI. Please go ahead.

Great question. Well, we are still in the very early innings of data modernization and deployment. It’s because for AI deployment to happen properly, it’s a fundamental business process re-engineering. So, that is actually the hardest part of the work, along with obviously data cleansing and data consolidation and overall data quality management. So, these are really, really difficult tasks to do, especially along with business process engineering. You cannot just drop AI into existing business processes and expect it to improve your productivity markedly without re-engineering a lot of your existing overall business processes, along with change management and culture. And that goes with it. We find that the larger the company, the harder it is to actually implement meaningfully changing AI. So, it will take a while for this to happen. So, we are really just in the early innings here.

Chirag Ved

Analyst · Evercore ISI. Please go ahead.

Alright. Thank you so much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from Derrick Wood with TD Cowen. Please go ahead.

Cole Erskine

Analyst · TD Cowen. Please go ahead.

Great. Thanks guys. This is Cole one for Derrick. I want to shift back to the go-to-market and talk about the direct sales effort versus the channel. I am just wondering, coming into this year, if you have any tweaks, initiatives, etcetera, that you are making with the direct sales team to kind of supplement the growing channel mix.

TJ Jiang

Analyst · TD Cowen. Please go ahead.

Great. Thank you for this question. So, for direct sales, that’s very much focused on our large enterprise segment, that’s 5,000 employee and up-sized employee companies. That will remain the case, where channel is very focused on the small to medium-sized businesses. Having said that, we do have large enterprise segment where we do work with increasingly, not country level SIs as well as global GSIs on large size deals with customers. Given the macro backdrop, from our perspective, you asked about tweaks. My – actually, my team’s mandate to all of our business organization is, the key is now is stay close to the customer. Whether that customer is a managed service provider or that customer is a large enterprise sophisticated IT, we will have to stay close to the customer to anticipate the changes that’s happening in real time, both in technology disruption as well as macro climate disruption. So, we are being very, very careful and diligent about staying agile and be able to pivot. This is not the first big macro cycle that we have gone through. The company has been around for 24 years. So, we have gone through this many times before and every time there is a major cycle, we actually come out stronger and do better. So, this time is no different. So, our mandate to our organization is, to the extent that you cover your customer either direct or channel model for the different segments, stay close to that customer, stay close to that partner. And that’s the only way to be able to remain agile.

Cole Erskine

Analyst · TD Cowen. Please go ahead.

Great. Helpful. And then just one quick follow up. The license outperforms in the quarter, was there anything specific driving that large deals or was this just timing dynamic? Thanks.

Jim Caci

Analyst · TD Cowen. Please go ahead.

Yes. Good question, Cole. I do think it’s a combination of a variety of things that you are pointing out. We did have a number of large deals. I will point out that we had 40 deals in the quarter over 100K, up 43% kind of year-over-year when we think of those size deals. So, that definitely was a contributing factor. We did have a number of large deals literally around the globe. Every region had a number of large deals. So, I do think that diversification that TJ alluded to and our geographic kind of diversity definitely played well in the first quarter, strong performance across each of the regions. And it also showed up in large deals as well.

Cole Erskine

Analyst · TD Cowen. Please go ahead.

Appreciate it. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] The next question comes from Brett Knoblauch with Berenberg Capital. Please go ahead.

Brett Knoblauch

Analyst · Berenberg Capital. Please go ahead.

Perfect. Thanks guys. I just want to clarify on FX. Is the entire, call it, beat and raise in excess of what you did in the first quarter attributed to FX?

Jim Caci

Analyst · Berenberg Capital. Please go ahead.

So, for the full year, yes. We are again, I think taking a very prudent approach. As we mentioned, Q1 was a very strong quarter. Q2 looks also very strong. We feel good about Q2. But we understand there is definitely a lot of activity in the macro environment, the geopolitical environment is very uncertain. And so we have taken the approach of being very prudent and reasonable with that guidance and not increasing beyond the beats from Q1 and then the FX impact. And you will see in the – I know you probably haven’t had a chance to see it yet, but in the investor deck, we did highlight in a couple of new slides that you will see really dissecting the FX impact as well as the beat from Q1. So, it’s highlighted very hopefully helpful for the people on the call to be able to see that. But short answer is yes.

Brett Knoblauch

Analyst · Berenberg Capital. Please go ahead.

Perfect. Thank you. And then it seems like maybe in the public markets, the AI trade has un-winded a bit. I am curious if the actual companies implementing AI or your customers, has that slowed down at all? And have you seen that kind of develop into the conversations you are having with customers?

TJ Jiang

Analyst · Berenberg Capital. Please go ahead.

No, great question, Brett. We have not seen that slowdown at all. I think it’s mission critical now for folks to really look at a meaningful way to implement the AI within the enterprise. There is definitely a feeling of urgency across businesses that what’s happening right now, it’s much more real. The changes are much more rapid than before. So, the AI implementation adoption has not slowed.

Brett Knoblauch

Analyst · Berenberg Capital. Please go ahead.

Perfect. Thank you, guys. I really appreciate it.

TJ Jiang

Analyst · Berenberg Capital. Please go ahead.

Thanks Brett.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to TJ Jiang for closing remarks.

TJ Jiang

Analyst

Thank you. I want to emphasize that while the macroeconomic environment is fluid, we are no strangers to navigating all types of economic cycles as we have done so throughout our 20-plus-year history as a company. Our platform remains vital and necessary for organizations across all economic climates. And we are well positioned to continue executing our strategy of solving the hardest data management challenges effectively. We are confident in our approach and excited about the opportunities ahead as we capitalize on our strength that sets us apart in this landscape. Thank you again for joining us today and we look forward to speaking with you more this quarter.

Operator

Operator

The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending to this presentation.