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Avnet, Inc. (AVT)

Q4 2013 Earnings Call· Wed, Aug 7, 2013

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Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, please stand by. Our presentation will now begin. I would now like to turn the floor over to Vince Keenan, Avnet's Vice President of Investor Relations.

Vincent Keenan

Management

Good afternoon, and welcome to Avnet's Fourth Quarter Fiscal Year 2013 Business and Financial Update. If you are listening by telephone today and have not accessed the slides that accompany this presentation, please go to our website and click on the icon announcing today's event. As we provide the highlights for our fourth quarter fiscal year 2013, please note that in the accompanying presentation and slides, we have excluded restructuring, integration and other items, including certain income tax adjustments for all periods presented. When discussing organic growth, prior periods have been adjusted to include the impact of acquisitions and divestitures. In addition, when we refer to the impact of foreign currency, we mean the impact due to the change in foreign currency exchange rates when translating Avnet's non-U.S. dollar-based financial statements into U.S. dollars. And finally, when addressing working capital, return on capital employed and return on working capital, the definitions are included in the non-GAAP section of our presentation. Before we get started with the presentation from Avnet management, I would like to review Avnet's Safe Harbor statement. This presentation contains certain forward-looking statements, which are statements addressing future financial and operating results of Avnet. Listed on this slide are several factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those described in the forward-looking statements. More detailed information about these and other factors are set forth in Avnet's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. In just a few moments, Rick Hamada, Avnet's CEO, will provide Avnet's fourth quarter fiscal year 2013 highlights. Following Rick, our Chief Financial Officer, Kevin Moriarty, will review some additional financial highlights and provide first quarter fiscal 2014 guidance. At the conclusion of Kevin's remarks, a Q&A will follow. Also here today to take any questions you may have related to Avnet's business operations are Phil Gallagher, President of Technology Solutions; and Harley Feldberg, President of Electronics Marketing. With that, let me introduce Mr. Rick Hamada to discuss Avnet's fourth quarter and fiscal 2013 business highlights.

Richard P. Hamada

Management

Thank you, Vince, and hello, everyone. Thank you, all, for taking the time to be with us and for your interest in Avnet. While sequential growth trends across our portfolio were somewhat inconsistent over the first 3 quarters of fiscal 2013, we did close out the year on a more positive note as both EM and TS delivered growth at or above normal seasonality, and notably, this trend was evident in all of our regions. At EM, where growth was below normal sales seasonality in the March quarter, our June quarter revenue came in above both expectations and normal seasonality. In our TS business, after a very weak September quarter to start the year, we had 3 consecutive quarters of normal sequential seasonal growth, and in the June quarter, our EMEA region realized normal seasonal growth after trailing our other regions for multiple quarters. As a result, Avnet organic revenue in constant currency increased 5% sequentially to $6.59 billion, which was in line with our normal enterprise seasonality for our third consecutive quarter. On a year-over-year basis, reported revenue increased nearly 5% in constant currency, and organic revenue growth just crossed over into positive territory at roughly 0.5%. Gross profit increased 2% sequentially to $771 million, while gross profit margin declined 30 basis points with both operating groups realizing a sequential decline. On a year-over-year basis, gross profit dollars increased 1.6% even as gross profit margin declined 33 basis points, primarily due to decline in the EMEA region at both operating groups. The expense management actions we implemented during the year added additional leverage as adjusted operating income grew 3x faster than revenue sequentially and adjusted operating income margin increased in both operating groups over the March quarter. In our June quarter, adjusted operating income grew 14% sequentially to $222.7…

Kevin Moriarty

Management

Thank you, Rick, and hello, everyone. After the disappointing setback we experienced in the first quarter of fiscal 2013, our team has done a good job adjusting to market conditions and closed the year with a strong performance on both top and bottom line. As a result of the portfolio actions we took and the actions we completed, we enter fiscal 2014 in a stronger competitive position across our portfolio. In addition to the strong performance, the effective working capital management through a difficult 2013 resulted in cash flow from operation of $696 million that strengthened our already solid balance sheet while allowing us to invest in strategic acquisitions and our share repurchase program. Before I provide guidance, I would like to address some changes that will impact how we report our results in fiscal 2014. As highlighted at our May 1 Analyst Day, at the beginning of the fiscal 2014, we combined our Reverse Logistics business, Avnet Integrated, with Technology Solutions service offering into a newly created organization within TS called Avnet Services. Avnet Services will combine existing services organizations into one dedicated global team with a unified strategy focused on software, life cycle and education services that complement our existing solutions and supplier service offerings. In addition, we have decided to combine our regional computing components business into a single global organization within TS called Avnet Global Computing Components. Bringing these regional businesses together under a single global organization will allow us to work with suppliers more strategically, to take advantage of Avnet's global scale and scope, including optimizing inventory levels and support resources across regions. Collectively, this global organization, which focuses on commercial hard disk drives, microprocessors and memory modules, generated approximately $1.2 billion in sales in fiscal 2013. As a result of these changes, roughly $450…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And our first question comes from the line of Sherri Scribner with Deutsche Bank.

Sherri Scribner - Deutsche Bank AG, Research Division

Analyst

I just wanted to get a sense of the seasonality and the expectation for the September quarter. It looks like for EM, you're expecting seasonality will be at the low end of the range. I assume that's primarily related to the upside this quarter. And then looking at TS, it looks like the expectation is for seasonality to be at the higher end of the range. Can you give us some detail on what you're expecting there and if I'm right in terms of the EM business?

Richard P. Hamada

Management

So Sherri, this is Rick. I think we said that for TS, it would be normally down 5 to 10, and Kevin reported that if you adjust based on the moving parts, they're about down 8.4, I think, at the midpoint. So actually, TS might be a little below that midpoint, whereas EM was closer to it overall. So basically, the general outlook for our business is pretty much in line with "normal seasonality," and we've had certainly some -- we talked about the mixed signals. There have been some encouraging ones along the way. The positive book-to-bill over 3 quarters at EM, the fact that it's geographically balanced across all 3 regions, the fact that we've now had 3 normal sequential seasonal performances on a growth basis for TS, these are all encouraging signs. But at the same time, as you know and have heard from many of our not only competitors but also some of our partners in the overall tech world, there's been some mixed signals regarding the health of the IT spending, the recovery in the industrial broad -- industrial markets we serve, et cetera. So all of that is factored into what we put together for you there. And Phil and Harley, if you want to add any particular color from components or computers, we'll go from there. But hopefully, that gives you a little more color, commentary of what we're trying to do.

Philip R. Gallagher

Analyst

This is Phil. Thanks, Sherri. It is a really high level when we look at the quarter out. We're feeling pretty confident. Asia-Pac was definitely normal seasonality. The Americas is going well. So we feel pretty good there in addition and the one that we're just -- we're pleased with the progress we're making, very pleased, as matter of fact, with the progress we're making in Europe. We're still just a bit cautiously optimistic with some of the outlook in Europe. So if there's any issue with TS as being offbeat [ph] , it's more around Europe than anything else.

Sherri Scribner - Deutsche Bank AG, Research Division

Analyst

Okay. And just quickly on the operating margins, we're not really in the targeted range yet. I know that we need to see some growth to get those operating margins back, but do you anticipate that we'll see that in fiscal '14?

Richard P. Hamada

Management

Yes. Sherri, if you look at the 2 businesses here, so short-term goal for TS was to get back on year-on-year margin by the June quarter, which they were able to achieve. Now we've got to get back to the long-range goals in that range of 3.4 to 3.9. With our EM team, Harley and team, we were trying to get back to at least 5% by the June quarter, came up a little short. But obviously, we're looking to continue to set our sight on getting back in that range. Growth would help. So on the down quarter heading into Q1, flattish to slightly down or up, but a little bit of leverage challenge there but I believe we are looking for the second half of FY '14 for EM to get back into 5 -- minimum 5% range.

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from the line of Mark Delaney with Goldman Sachs.

Mark Delaney - Goldman Sachs Group Inc., Research Division

Analyst · Goldman Sachs.

I know one of the goals that you articulated at the Analyst Day was to focus more on margins. And so I'm trying to just get a better sense of some of the steps the company can take to improve margins given that gross margins for June quarter are one of the lowest levels in quite a long time. So maybe as a scenario, I mean, if you just assumed seasonal growth rates across the entire business from here, would you expect to eventually get back to your target operating margin levels or are there further steps that you need to take either in terms of design-in [ph] work or cost cutting or something else that will get you back to your target margin levels?

Richard P. Hamada

Management

Yes. Mark, I'll just ask Kevin to jump in. But I have to tell you, if we have normal seasonal patterns from here, we feel good about the trajectory back towards those ranges we've spoken about. There are still wildcards, what's going on with the gross margin, what's going on with the lead times, what goes on with the year-end IT spend and the budget flows, et cetera. So lots of moving parts, but the growth will certainly help. We don't rely exclusively on that. I think at this point, what we're saying is that the contribution from the expense reductions that we've talked about in previous quarters. We have expense management always ongoing, reallocating resources, trying to align resources to growth, trying to move on the design win mix of our business. All those issues are normal course of business expense management. But there is, at this particular time, we're not anticipating further expense -- specific expense reduction as part of the equation, but that lever, if needed, will always be there. I don't know, Kevin, if you want to talk about the rest of the levers.

Kevin Moriarty

Management

Yes. Thanks, Rick. I would just amplify, Mark, that as we continue to improve SG&A efficiency, grow a few [ph] dollars faster than expenses and continue to optimize from our acquisitions, obviously committing focus on higher-margin opportunities, effectively portfolio management with constant evaluation of appropriate actions taken. This point brought up earlier about the sustained economic recovery and growth is also important. But I think that's going to be our key tenets as we look at how we get back to the targeted goals.

Mark Delaney - Goldman Sachs Group Inc., Research Division

Analyst · Goldman Sachs.

Okay. And then for my follow-up, I'm hoping you can be a little bit more specific on some of the mixed signals that you're seeing in terms of bookings and customer conversations. So I understand that the book to bill was positive across all 3 regions within your EM segment this past quarter. When you think about your guidance for next quarter with any EM, are you actually seeing anything, impacts or actual order rates, that give you pause and maybe there's been a decline in actual orders or are you just trying to factor in some general hesitancy when you speak with your customers?

Harley Feldberg

Analyst · Goldman Sachs.

Yes. Mark, this is Harley Feldberg. Let me comment a little bit as well as you kind of took us a little bit back to, I think, the heart of Sherri's question as well. When we gave our revenue guidance for Q1 of, I believe, down 0.9%, just below 1%, our intent was to send a message that we view it as normal seasonality. So our records suggest normal seasonality minus 1 -- excuse me, plus 1 to minus 3. So the intent of that number was to suggest normal seasonality. I just want to be clear on that. You may have different view on the numbers, but that is our intent. There's really nothing that I can give you that has -- that has changed our view for the long term as reflected by the positive book-to-bill in all regions. But I was reading an example that might be a good one to depict mixed signals this morning. Many of you may have seen the release out of Europe on the PMI average for Germany. And I haven't read that in detail. It just came out this morning. But if you look through it, what you'll see there is an interesting dilemma that the overall number looks encouraging, but when they dissect it, what they said was that the majority of the growth in this case was for domestic spending. And their export-related data was mixed, specifically out of a concern for slowdown in China and obviously the balance of Europe. So for me, that's an example. When we say mixed signals, there's a positive in the PMI, but one level down, you see a mixture of what the data is.

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from the line of Brian Alexander with Raymond James. Brian G. Alexander - Raymond James & Associates, Inc., Research Division: The first is just a clarification. To get to your September outlook, Rick, are you assuming EM margins slide back to around the 4.2% level given the regional mix shift that you're likely to see in the quarter with Asia becoming a bigger piece in September, and then to get back to 5%, which I know we've asked about already, but are you counting on any gross margin recovery to get there or is it all going to be expense leverage? And if it's really expense leverage, what quarterly revenue for EM do you think you need to achieve to get back to that level? It seems like maybe $4.3 billion, $4.4 billion a quarter, but I just wanted to confirm that.

Richard P. Hamada

Management

Yes. So first of all, Kevin, on the sequential op margin expectations for EM there, also -- again, midpoint of 1% down on the revenue. Is it roughly flattish, Harley?

Harley Feldberg

Analyst

Roughly flattish is what we forecast.

Richard P. Hamada

Management

Yes. And then, Brian, it's not 100% on the expenses. We'll look at all the levers. And at this point, the expectation is that where -- the margin erosion we've seen is abating a bit. And as we said, historically, we've seen in the past, as momentum picks up, generally lead times start to move out. And at that point, we generally tend to see a recovery in the gross margins. Now we haven't factored in a major move there along the way, but we have factored in some expectations regarding not continuing to have a major decline to deal with. Otherwise, that will probably put more pressure on the expenses. And then from a quarterly revenue, again, the midpoint, as Harley said, down 0.9%. I think that all of that commentary is based on that expectation of revenue. And then upside, of course, should be -- have very, very rich drop-through, which would help with the leverage and the expansion of the margin expectation. Brian G. Alexander - Raymond James & Associates, Inc., Research Division: I guess a follow-up, why do you think you're seeing the additional margin pressure sequentially in EM if your revenue basically came in above seasonal and lead times were stable during the quarter? Is that typical for this part of the cycle or is it atypical?

Richard P. Hamada

Management

I'll ask Harley to chime in, Brian, but I think it's that last part of your statement that has our attention, which is that lead times have remained stable. The fact that they're short, stable and predictable encourages customers to order on a much shorter cycle there and less longer-term supply-chain engagement and there's less complexity to try to sort through on their behalf. But I think that, that's the issue that at this point in the cycle, normally we'll see lead times start to move out and that's not what we're seeing at this point. I don't know, Harley, if you have anything to add there or...

Harley Feldberg

Analyst

Yes. Thank you, Rick. I -- first off, I will be a little bit more assertive than Kevin was. Maybe considering my personal circumstance, I can be a bit of a -- more of a risk taker. But I actually think it is possible for us to increase, albeit modestly, increase both gross margin and op margin even in the first half of our fiscal year, which is not typical. And I say that because of a combination of many different factors from revenue deselection to expand synergies to a belief, to a belief based on our booking activities over the last couple of quarters that we are starting to see the beginning of a healthier environment in a broad industrial base where we do tend to make our richest margins. The bookings tell us that the PMI data in Germany, to a degree, reinforces that, but it didn't really impact our June results to a substantial degree. So June backwards is obviously factual. June forward is somewhat more subjective. The indicators do suggest to us and reinforce that we are seeing an improvement in the environment in the segment of the market that we need to really be stronger to allow us to raise gross margins. So in addition to Rick's point about lead times, those 2 factors, continued improvement in the broad industrial base and the market showing enough growth, I think the total market showed some growth, as you might have seen back to positive territory in the June quarter. Those 2 factors should contribute to an ability for us to enhance our gross margins, and of course, the drop there would be significant, as Rick said.

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from the line of Matt Sheerin with Stifel, Nicolaus. Matthew Sheerin - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc., Research Division: I just want to go back to the gross margin issue again because it certainly looked a lot tougher than we had expected and certainly compared to Arrow. And they've certainly been seeing similar pricing pressure. But it looks like it got it incrementally worse for you. And then, Harley, you used the term possibly deselecting revenue and being obviously more careful about managing your margin versus volumes and I know there's a fine line there, but are you looking at that in any specific area? And then as part of that, as you see backlog building in that lead time, but backlog seems to be a little bit firmer across the supply chain, wouldn't that help pricing at all?

Harley Feldberg

Analyst

Matt, yes, it is my belief that, that backlog, obviously, turning into shipments, should improve pricing if indeed, as you heard Rick say earlier, one of the byproducts of that is expanded lead times. It is very difficult to enhance gross margins with very low lead time environments. I'm of the opinion that the improving environment we're seeing today is primarily driven by how low inventory overall is in the aggregate supply chain. So in many ways, I believe that's what's driving the improved booking environment and should continue to show modest growth over the next couple of quarters overall. The gross margin -- while I'm not sure I agree with your data on -- your comparative data to us and our largest competitor, but in that neither of us, I believe, publishes group gross margin, I'm not sure how to try to validate that, I'm not sure that data is accurate as far as gross margin. It has been a difficult situation. Again, as I said multiple times, we need that growth to return in the broad industrial base, and we are seeing encouraging signs. So I do see a more positive environment moving forward. One area of gross margin, if I could, that's got a lot of attention was Europe. And I think we singled it out as well in our comments. And specific to EM, as I think many of you are aware, that is the region where we, as Avnet, have the largest share. So we've seen quite a bit of aggressive pricing going after -- legally going after us as the largest share owner in that region. And that does make for a highly competitive market. Growth, of course, will help alleviate some of that. Matthew Sheerin - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc., Research Division: Okay. And on the shift of some of the commercial components business from EM to TS, it seems like every few quarters, you swap business back and forth. And is this -- so is this the commodity PC-related businesses like disk drives that don't really belong in EM? And is it still a significant embedded component business that's left there?

Richard P. Hamada

Management

Yes. Matt, it's Rick. Yes, so we don't mean to confuse you. Just that the -- this computing components business, which is primarily microprocessors, hard disk drives, memory, had actually been -- in Europe and Asia, consistently been in the TS business. We made it part of the embedded business here in the Americas under EM, and that's the last portion that is now coming out of EM under this now Avnet Global Computing Components umbrella. The -- all of those components that are sold as part of Embedded Solutions, OEM systems, et cetera, that remains part of our embedded systems business. So yes, you're right. This is strictly the volume commercial-oriented sale of those particular commodities and products. Matthew Sheerin - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc., Research Division: Okay. So $100 million is coming out of North America this quarter, approximately?

Richard P. Hamada

Management

Approximately. Matthew Sheerin - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc., Research Division: Yes, okay. And then -- so that leaves you, I think you mentioned, a $1.2 billion or $1.4 billion business in the commercial components. Could you give us an idea of margins? And I imagine it's well below margins on both side of your business. But could you give us an idea there and what kind of targets you have that are reasonable targets for you to reach in that business?

Richard P. Hamada

Management

So you're right, Matt. It's $1.2 billion. It runs lower to gross margins than our sort of core businesses on either side. It runs marginal -- marginally less operating margin profile. And generally speaking, particularly the business we're focused on retaining has an outstanding return profile. We obviously -- for lower margin business, which is higher risk, we obviously set the bar higher for a return expectations point of view. And by the way, that same analysis over the past couple of years has led to some of these discussions and decisions around revenue deselection.

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from the line of Jim Suva with Citigroup.

Jim Suva - Citigroup Inc, Research Division

Analyst · Citigroup.

In your prepared comments, you mentioned strength in storage, services and software, year-over-year growth. Can you help us quantify some of the percent on that, that you're seeing and then maybe how that compared to last quarter or sequentially? Just trying to figure out if some of those buckets are accelerating, still growth stable or growth that's decelerating.

Philip R. Gallagher

Analyst · Citigroup.

Yes, yes. Jim, this is Phil. Well, clearly, the storage has been the story of the year, I think, frankly, for many of us and continues to be for us. On a year-on-year, let's just say, with the -- it grew in the higher teens, okay, from a revenue standpoint. So very, very positive. We're seeing, in services -- and some of this is resold as well as an Avnet branded, although it's not all included in the numbers yet. We're seeing really good growth there as well in the -- let's call it the mid- to single high -- high-single digits, okay. And software continues to grow nicely. Now when we look at it, we have a stated strategy to continue to outgrow or increase our diversification on our portfolio around services and software. And if you look at our mix today, the question hasn't been asked [ph] , I think it could help answer your questions, hardware is roughly 59% of our total mix today where software and services makes up the balance of 40%, okay, which is a pretty significant shift from several years ago, for sure. It's not the emphasis on hardware by any stretch but more of an emphasis on really driving the value add, okay, around the hardware.

Jim Suva - Citigroup Inc, Research Division

Analyst · Citigroup.

Great. And then as a quick follow-up, relative to, say, last quarter, I believe last quarter, each of those 3 buckets were also pretty strong. Are we seeing an acceleration in some of those 3 buckets or still kind of stable in the cost of good growth or deceleration? Just trying to gauge about the magnitude of the change.

Philip R. Gallagher

Analyst · Citigroup.

Yes. I would say it's been pretty consistent. I think it's the best word to use there, Jim. Particularly storage. And keep in mind, storage today, if you look at storage, storage is driving a lot of software, all right. If you look at the acquisitions that a lot of our storage suppliers have made, a lot of it is in the software space. So it starts to become a bit of a mix. When you look at storage in general, that's been very, very consistent. And of course, we have a focus not only on the Avnet -- not only on resold services but the Avnet branded services, which we'll continue to elaborate on in the future. But I would say consistent would be the word. Very consistent, very steady as we continue to drive the mix in portfolio.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Steven Fox with Cross Research.

Steven Bryant Fox - Cross Research LLC

Analyst · Cross Research.

Just 2 questions for me. First of all, on the $100 million per quarter in revenues that basically shifts between your 2 businesses, what's the operating profits associated with that? And then secondly, I thought I heard you talk about some gross margin pressures in TS, but it wasn't clear on what was driving that, whether it was mix or actually something in the marketplace, et cetera. If you can just sort of expand on that, I would appreciate it.

Richard P. Hamada

Management

Yes. So let me start, and I'll turn it over to Phil on the gross margin at TS. On the $100 million revenue transfer, I think we just talked about that. This components business is generally characterized by lesser gross margins than our core businesses. But I think I used the term "marginally below" what you would expect from some of our businesses across the portfolio. And then the offset there, of course, is the exciting returns that keep us interested in this business. So I don't think we've quantified it exactly, but it's not a -- it's not a 50-basis-point or 1% operating business, somewhere in between there. Hopefully, you can triangulate and figure some of that out. So Phil, on the TS gross margin?

Philip R. Gallagher

Analyst · Cross Research.

Yes. Steve, we did mention in the script that really margin overall had been moving in the right direction. Where we had a bit of a headwind this past quarter was in Europe more specifically, and it's specifically to a region. We can't really say it's specific to a product mix, frankly. I think it's just -- and we've been making progress in Europe, so I want to make that input as well, in the last several quarters just so -- but it was setback this past quarter. I don't think there's anything in the market in general in Europe that's been struggling with growth. And with that, you just -- you get a bit more competition in the marketplace going after the businesses there. But there's nothing specific more than that. And we feel comfortable moving forward we'll be fine.

Steven Bryant Fox - Cross Research LLC

Analyst · Cross Research.

Okay. So just a follow-up on that. If it's regional in nature, I mean, are you comfortable in saying that your product, if you were -- I know you sell in a bundled nature in a lot of cases, but you're saying that there are no sort of gross margin pressures on any of your products or services on an individual basis, but when you get the deals in Europe, you have to give up a little bit more in aggregate?

Philip R. Gallagher

Analyst · Cross Research.

It's probably not a bad summary. Yes, I'd say that's probably not a bad summary. We're not seeing an across-the-board product issue in margins. A lot of these big deals, as you know, come down in the TS side and the enterprise are project-based. They've been really large projects, and they can get pretty competitive. I didn't mention we did have an increase in Europe in the past quarter in processors and some of that, but it was relatively minimal to the grand scheme of things.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Louis Miscioscia with CLSA. Louis R. Miscioscia - Credit Agricole Securities (USA) Inc., Research Division: Could you give us any kind of color on the slowdown or negative growth in the servers, whether you think that, that's going to go out x number of quarters? And I guess tied to that, in the virtualization market, I think a couple -- or the biggest virtualization company had weak transactional virtualization growth. If you could comment that you're also seeing that.

Philip R. Gallagher

Analyst

Yes. Louis, we commented on the servers. We did note in the script that we saw some modest negative growth in the servers in total. But frankly, we don't see any major concern on that moving forward. As you and all the analysts know, the servers in general have become a lesser part of the overall business and particularly the industry standard servers. It gets very competitive. We can typically not meet the margin hurdles. So our focus is to continue to drive value around the server base marketplace, continue to drive in the converged infrastructure opportunities we have. But overall -- and again, when I say modest in the grand scheme, the negative growth is not that great. And ironically, actually, sequentially, again modestly, we were actually up in proprietary. So it's kind of interesting, right? But in general, total servers, we were down a bit. And the second part of the question, virtualization. Actually, quarter-on-quarter and year-on-year, we continue to see growth in -- we're talking of any specific supplier, but in virtualization space, we actually saw growth, continued growth. Louis R. Miscioscia - Credit Agricole Securities (USA) Inc., Research Division: Is there a decent expansion going with virtualization outside of the market leader or is it mostly the market leader you're referring to?

Richard P. Hamada

Management

Again, I don't want to get into any supplier. I would say the market leader for us is still the market leader. But there's certainly the guys coming into that space, as you alluded to, that are trying to be a little bit more disruptive. And we're obviously working with those suppliers as well. We have them on the line card.

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from the line of Shawn Harrison with Longbow Research.

Shawn M. Harrison - Longbow Research LLC

Analyst · Longbow Research.

A lot of clarifications, I guess. Going back to the restructuring program, are all the savings in the numbers right now or how much incrementally of that you would see maybe into the September quarter?

Kevin Moriarty

Management

Shawn, it's Kevin. The previously announced program there in the fourth quarter is $40 million. That was an annualized number. So of the $10 million for a quarter, roughly half or $5 million we recognize in the fourth quarter. So the actions are substantially complete. So we would expect roughly a $5 million carryover benefit in our first quarter.

Shawn M. Harrison - Longbow Research LLC

Analyst · Longbow Research.

Second, maybe I missed this question, but the obligatory book-to-bill ratios through July and August, how have they been at EM regionally versus kind of what you typically see at this time of year? I guess that's for you, Harley.

Harley Feldberg

Analyst · Longbow Research.

Yes. Book-to-bill has remained encouraging and positive in all 3 regions through what is essentially 5 weeks of the quarter.

Shawn M. Harrison - Longbow Research LLC

Analyst · Longbow Research.

Okay. And then just 2 quick follow-ups. The inventory turn is really good this quarter. Does that continue? And then second, I believe there was an acquisition announced recently, MSC or MCS (sic) [MSC] , excuse me. But is that in the guidance? And if not, when do you expect that to close?

Richard P. Hamada

Management

Okay. Yes, look, the first question was on inventory velocity. And in a way, I guess an additional point back to our conversation about what's happening in the market, the inventory velocity that we achieved in June was quite encouraging, and I give the team a ton of credit for it. In candor, part of it is driven by the nature of the business that -- what has driven the business over last year, so -- which as we've talked in the past, to a higher degree than is typical had it been from high-volume fulfillment type of business. And all of the large channel partners I've mentioned have seen that. Therefore, that type of business warrants much higher velocity. Indeed, as we believe we should start -- we should continue to see improvement in our broader industrial base over the next couple of quarters, then it's likely that velocity will come down a bit. Our goal in the September quarter will be to match our revenue growth with a bit of additional inventory, looking for similar velocity. But again, that velocity -- the point I want to make is that velocity is also impacted by what customer sets are driving it. So I guess in a nutshell, would I trade a little bit of velocity for higher margins? I think the answer to that is clear. Relative to the acquisition, MSC Gleichmann was the company you're referring to. We're very excited about it. Due to the somewhat complicated nature of the way we're acquiring the company, Kevin, correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think you'll see anything from us from a revenue perspective this year, this calendar year.

Kevin Moriarty

Management

No, that's correct, yes.

Richard P. Hamada

Management

So there should be nothing in your guidance for the next -- this quarter or next.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our your next question comes from the line of Amitabh Passi with UBS.

Amitabh Passi - UBS Investment Bank, Research Division

Analyst · UBS.

Just a couple from me. Kevin, can you just clarify your September quarter expectations for gross margin, OpEx and other expense at the corporate level?

Kevin Moriarty

Management

Yes. On OpEx, I will start there. When you look at our first quarter, we expect SG&A to increase sequentially, roughly $10 million on the top, and that's composed of a number of different items. One is the sequential impact of our stock-based compensation. That's a normal Q1 item for us, and that's roughly $11 million when you look from Q4 to Q1 of an increase. In addition to that, we have FX headwind of approximately $2 million to $3 million, and in addition, a sequential increase of cost at the recently completed M&A of roughly $1 million or $4 million annualized. Now these increases are reduced by some of the Q4 restructuring actions, the carryover benefit I previously mentioned of roughly $5 million. So when you net all that out, we're expecting sequential increase of approximately $10 million on the OpEx line, sequentially.

Amitabh Passi - UBS Investment Bank, Research Division

Analyst · UBS.

And then anything unusual on the other expense line?

Kevin Moriarty

Management

Not that we're planning on, no.

Amitabh Passi - UBS Investment Bank, Research Division

Analyst · UBS.

Okay. And then just one follow-up for me. Just any updates on your appetite for buybacks. I think you've really not participated in the last couple of quarters. Just curious how you're thinking about the capacity that you currently have available.

Kevin Moriarty

Management

Yes. It's Kevin again. I'll start. And you are correct. We do not buy back any shares in Q4. We do still have the approximately $224 million remaining on the previously announced program. As we have highlighted in the past, we have a disciplined approach on the buybacks, and we [indiscernible] value based on our intrinsic value. We can get -- we will continue to evaluate the price relative to our internal projections, and we will continue to follow our disciplined approach.

Richard P. Hamada

Management

Yes, Amitabh, I would just add. We've had a schedule in place throughout the past 2 quarters. And based on all the new information, which we've now shared with you today, et cetera, we'll take a look at our own internal analysis of that projected intrinsic value, probably adjust our estimates accordingly and let you know next quarter if we hit and trigger anything along those lines. But we do like -- we do like -- as Kevin said, we like investing in our equity, what we feel is a very compelling value there and just like any other M&A if you want to think of it that way. Think of it as an internal M&A, and that's way we approach it.

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from the line of David Ryzhik with Brean Capital.

David Ryzhik - Brean Capital LLC, Research Division

Analyst · Brean Capital.

Going back to storage, do you see any change in the tone of demand ahead of new products from the likes of EMC and NetApp?

Philip R. Gallagher

Analyst · Brean Capital.

Can you give more clarification on that?

David Ryzhik - Brean Capital LLC, Research Division

Analyst · Brean Capital.

Well, in anticipation of, for example, potential -- the refresh of the VNX family for EMC, any change that you're seeing right now in demand ahead of that?

Philip R. Gallagher

Analyst · Brean Capital.

No, not -- not specifically. I think there are -- EMC getting baked into NetApp, investing in flash, SSD. Storage is coming on strong for them. We make a lot of investments in that space. But nothing -- nothing specific to your question.

David Ryzhik - Brean Capital LLC, Research Division

Analyst · Brean Capital.

And do you think that overall, there is pent-up storage and/or data center infrastructure demand in the second half?

Philip R. Gallagher

Analyst · Brean Capital.

That's a tough call. We really look at our -- we really look at it quarter-on-quarter because everything is so project-based. We've not seen -- some of our suppliers announcing that they've pushouts at the end of the quarter. We've seen the cycle getting a little bit tougher and they sign off at the end of the quarter, getting a little bit tougher. But we've not seen a big carryover quarter-on-quarter. That said, in pulling the value-added resellers and just doing a road show not too long ago, there is optimism in this quarter around the data center storage networking. That is -- we're cautiously optimistic about it. But we don't really look beyond the September quarter at this point in time. July looked okay for us. So that's -- that's about how we're seeing it right now. But I wouldn't say there's a big pent-up demand.

Richard P. Hamada

Management

Yes, Dave, I would add. This is Rick. After 2 quarters in a row of hitting essentially normal seasonal sequential guidance, there wouldn't be any indications to us there that there's a signal of pent-up demand. But it is curious to us, as Phil mentioned, that some of our key OEM partners have mentioned on their March and June quarter calls that they saw some signs of delays and pushouts, et cetera. By the way, very similar to the commentary we shared back in the June, September quarters of 2012. So we are noticing the same set of comments of phenomena, but whether it's a midmarket versus large enterprise issue, we're not sure. But for our dashboards and what we're looking at, no indications of "pent-up demand" as we close out the year.

Kevin Moriarty

Management

This is Kevin. I just want to clarify one thing on the MSC acquisition. It's really tied to the regulatory approval of the transaction in terms of whether or not we'll see any sales in the second quarter or not. So again, we'll keep you updated. It really gets to the regulatory approval of the transaction.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. It seems there are no further questions at this time. I'd like to turn the floor back over for any closing comments.

Vincent Keenan

Management

Thank you for participating on our earnings call today. As we conclude, we will scroll through the non-GAAP to GAAP reconciliation of results presented during our presentation, along with the further description of certain changes that are excluded from our non-GAAP results. This entire slide presentation, including the GAAP financial reconciliation, can be accessed in downloadable PDF format at our website under the Quarterly Results section. Thank you.

Richard P. Hamada

Management

Thanks, everybody.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today's teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time and thank you for your participation.