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AXIS Capital Holdings Limited (AXS)

Q4 2013 Earnings Call· Wed, Feb 5, 2014

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, and welcome to the AXIS Capital Q4 2013 Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. (Operator Instructions) Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Linda Ventresca. Please go ahead.

Linda Ventresca

Management

Thank you, Emmy, and good morning ladies and gentlemen. I am happy to welcome you to our conference call to discuss the financial results for AXIS Capital for the fourth quarter and the year ended December 31, 2013. Our earnings press release and financial supplement were issued yesterday evening after the market closed. If you would like copies, please visit the Investor Information section of our website, www.axiscapital.com. We set aside an hour for today’s call, which is also available as an audio webcast through the Investor Information section of our website. A replay of the teleconference will be available by dialing 877-344-7529 in the United States and the international number is 412-317-0088. The conference code for both replay dial-in numbers is 10039141. With me on today’s call are Albert Benchimol, our President and CEO; and Joe Henry, our CFO. Before I turn the call over to Albert, I will remind everyone that statements made during this call including the question-and-answer session, which are not historical facts, may be forward-looking statements within the meaning of the U.S. Federal Securities laws. Forward-looking statements contained in this presentation include, but are not necessarily limited to information regarding our estimate of losses related to catastrophes, policies, and other loss events, general economic, capital and credit market conditions, future growth prospects, financial results and capital management initiatives, evaluation of losses and loss reserves, investment strategies, investment portfolio and market performance, impact to the marketplace with respect to changes in pricing model, and our expectations regarding pricing and other market conditions. These statements involve risks, uncertainties, and assumptions, which could cause actual results to differ materially from our expectations. For a discussion of these matters, please refer to the Risk Factors section in our most recent Form 10-K on file with the Securities and Exchange Commission. We undertake no obligation to update or revise publicly any forward-looking statements whether as a result of new information, future events, or otherwise. In addition, this presentation contains information regarding operating income and our consolidated underwriting income, which are non-GAAP financial measures within the meaning of the U.S. Federal Securities laws. For a reconciliation of these items to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures, please refer to our press release, which can be found on our website. With that, I’d like to turn the call over to Albert.

Albert A. Benchimol

Management

Thank you, Linda. Good morning everyone and thank you for joining our call. On balance we delivered a good quarter and a good year, benefiting from strong diversifying growth, improved pricing in many lines, lower cat activity, continued reserve releases and strong performance on our equities and alternative investment. After-tax operating income for the quarter was $159 million and annualized ROE was 12.3 on an operating basis. Our gross written premiums were up 10%. This is a product of our continuing effort on two fronts. First, we saw [ph] strong growth and improving market segments, particularly in the U.S. and we are seeing ongoing returns from the substantial investments we made in new initiatives of recent months and years. For the year we reported a 13% increase in gross written premiums, a combined ratio of 91%, operating ROE of 12.1% and operating income of $633 million as compared to ROE of 8.2% and operating income of $422 million last year. We grew diluted book value per share adjusted for dividends by 8% and returned substantially all of our income to our shareholders through the repurchase of stock and a growing stream of dividends. While it was a good year overall, we know we can do better. Our second quarter was impacted by an accumulation of small and midsize global cat and weather events and this fourth-quarter was adversely impacted by exposure to rising claim costs for the US D&O in recent accident years. I assure you that we are all focused on making the changes in our portfolios necessary to reduce the likelihood of these type of issues. That said it is a reflection of the strength of our company that these disappointments were easily absorbed without significant impact on our overall financial performance, that we took the necessary actions to address them and finish the year stronger than ever. We face the future with confidence and optimism. Joe will take you through our results in some detail and I will return with market commentary and outlook. Joe?

Joseph Henry

Management

Thank you, Albert and good morning everyone. During quarter we generated good results with an annualized operating ROE of 12.3%. In addition, quarterly diluted book value per common share, a key metric in measuring the value we generate for our shareholders, increased by $1.20 per share or almost 3% in the quarter. Our results benefitted from a very benign quarter with respect to natural catastrophe and weather-related losses compared to the same quarter last year, which was significantly impacted by storm Sandy. In addition, the continued growth of the business and favorable prior year reserve development contributed positively to our results but were partially offset by an increase in larger attritional [ph] losses incurred in property lines impacting both segments, our insurance US D&O line and our reinsurance segment’s agricultural line. The D&O losses incurred also led to an associated increase in the underlying loss ratios for that line of business. Our diluted book value per common share increased by $2.83 or almost 7% for the year. Moving into the details of the income statement. Our fourth-quarter gross premiums written were up 10% to $826 million with growth emanating from both of our segments. In our insurance [ph] segment, our top line was up $26 million or 5% reflecting a continuation of the trends noted throughout the year. The accident helpline [ph] continued to contribute substantially to top line growth during the quarter bringing the annual increase in this line to almost $108 million. Growth in our non-US professional line business reflects our continued global expansion. Liability also continued to show growth driven by the US wholesale access casualty market. These increases were partially offset by reductions in marine and aviation which were driven by some rate reductions and timing differences. Our property line showed a decrease in gross premiums…

Albert A. Benchimol

Management

Thank you, Joe. Turning to market conditions. Notwithstanding the well-publicized reduction in pricing trends, there remained reasonably good fundamentals in many insurance lines and markets after three years of positive rate activity across many parts of our business. The U.S. remains the strongest market driving almost all of our growth in 2013. Average price increases in the insurance business in 2013’s fourth-quarter came in at a slower pace than that observed earlier in the year, with the overall portfolio showing great change of +1%. For our international division, rate as a whole in the fourth quarter was down 2% but the average does not provide adequate color as specialty lines which comprise the division were typically mixed. Of the 16 separate lines we monitor, eight were up in the quarter, three were flat and five were down, with the most significant declines not surprisingly in aviation, terrorism and offshore energy. For the full year the average rate change was up 2%. We anticipate pressure on overall rate for the division in the coming year as the weaker lines should continue their trends while those that have exhibited pricing improvements over the last three years begin to taper off. In our professional lines division, rates change was 1% overall, +1 but again with wide variations by product. For the U.S. pricing across all units was positive with the exception of Side A coverages where recent results have been quite strong. Rate increases on primary layers continue be more consistent and higher, up 6% overall for non-financial institutions, and +3% overall for financial institutional products. Access layers across product in the U.S. are up 2% overall. Bermuda access lines continue to experience low single-digit rate declines in line with the trends throughout the year. A number of classes continue to suffer from…

Joseph Henry

Management

Just before we open up for questions, I just like to correct one thing that I said during my prepared remarks and clarify one of the points. As far as the additional $3 million of losses for 2013 US D&O, that was seven points to the loss ratio, not 70, I understand I said 70, it’s 7 points. And also for the professional lines for 2011-12 years we have $474 million in net IBNR on earned premium of 1.1 billion, the $700 million was a gross number. So again 474 net IBNR on net earned premium of 1.1 billion for the ‘11 and ‘12 accident year [ph]. With that, Emmy, I will ask you to open it up for questions.

Operator

Operator

(Operator Instructions) Our first question comes from Mike Nannizzi at Goldman Sachs. Michael S. Nannizzi – Goldman Sachs: Just on the professional liability reserves, is there any consistency between what you did here in the reserve adjustments you made, I think it was ’05 and ‘08 in the first quarter of ‘13 –

Joseph Henry

Management

Mike, it’s a separate issue. The reserve adjustments we made in the second quarter of the year related to the credit crisis years. This relates to accident years ’11 and ’12. As i said during my remarks we’re seeing no further development on the reserves that we set up in the second -- in the third-quarter and fourth quarters of the year. Michael S. Nannizzi – Goldman Sachs: Can you give us a little color on what -- is there a theme in terms of what happened in the fourth quarter and what impacted ‘11, ‘12 and your decision to take the loss ratio to pick up for this year, that type of case, anything that we can understand kind of what's underneath?

Albert A. Benchimo

Analyst

Yeah, Mike, I understand, look, the development in our US D&O book this quarter was clearly a disappointment and the release [ph] an understanding of what happened in terms of context. Let me start by saying our professional lines book is an important class of business for us. And last year we wrote $900 million gross, $600 million net. It’s a broadly diversified portfolio by customer, by product, attachment geography, we made lots of money in that book of business over the years and we’re rightly considered a leading underwriter professional line by our clients and our distribution partners. If you think about $900 million I broadly categorize this book into three major sections – miscellaneous, professional liability, essentially E&O, financial institutions and the US D&O book. The issue at hand here is really contained within the primary component of the US D&O book. As Joe just mentioned to you obviously within the financial institution book we had a couple of cases go against those on the FI book but the 2010 and prior has continues to behave well overall. So what we had were a couple of isolated cases but that really has nothing to do with the actions that we took in the fourth quarter. And again going back to the primary D&O book, we were never a large writer of primary D&O in the US. However in 2009 we believe that the stress in the industry presented an opportunity to increase our penetration of that primary business. Since we grew the book from over $20 in annual gross premium to the current $50 million level. In these early years we didn't see anything alarming in our reported claims that would indicate we do need to take any kind of reserve actions. However as Joe noted earlier, we…

Albert A. Benchimo

Analyst

Mike, that’s a very good question. I think the answer here really lies in the composition of that book. As I mentioned to you it was a small book that we were growing and frankly the composition in terms industry concentration in terms of experience is not a proxy of the industry. And in fact, the fact that it isn’t the proxy in the industry served us well in the early years and that we saw no frequency of severity in ‘09 and ‘10 and in ’11 and ‘12 as we were looking at the industry going through the Chinese reverse mergers, we were looking at M&D defense, we were observing all of these issues happening in the industry and we were seeing no evidence of that in our book. And so when you have a book that, that is not the proxy of the industry sometimes it works for you and unfortunately sometimes it works against you. And what happened to us was it worked for us by and large through 2000 and ‘12 but what happened in 2013 with the severity of frequency that we were seeing was really hitting our books and we were seeing it a lot in tech, we were seeing a lot in healthcare and as I said, we did the deep dive, we said this is a small book, there are about 400 accounts here, for about $50 million of premium and the average limit is about $10 million. And so what we did is we made a modest increase in the assumption of frequency of severity of that book and again if you take a look at this book and you would assume that this book had a little over $100 million, 400 accounts, if you simply add about three full limit losses per year that explains the entire increase the we've done. So it's a small book and we -- honestly we underestimated the volatility of the small book and we should have accounted for the greater volatility inherent in a small book and as I mentioned, three additional limitations a year out account for the entire increase in the reserves. So that's what happened here. With regard to the other book and I think it’s a fair question why is that not an issue in your other book? The other book is supremely well diversified. On average the limit that we offer are significantly lower and it's really diversified by class, by industry, by country and so I think the totality of that book really behaves in a very different way than what is a small, relatively undiversified, relatively unbalanced book with regards to the industry. That kind of composition works for you in certain markets, it works against you in others. Michael S. Nannizzi – Goldman Sachs: Great. Okay, thank you.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Cliff Gallant at Nomura. Cliff Gallant – Nomura : Thank you. Actually, that last answer was pretty thorough. I appreciate that, but I was curious about the – when you said you did the deep dive during the quarter, if there was any I guess more granularity about what kind of trends you did see, that would be – might be useful to think about that, that line of business.

Albert A. Benchimol

Management

Yeah, again, I think as you might imagine, we have been scratching our head on this one. This is simply a change in the assumption of severity of – of frequency of severity and by adding a couple of cases a year, because the frequency that we saw in ’13 basically said we had to re-evaluate our assumption of frequency of severity for that portfolio as a whole. We just said, you know what, we just need to assume we’re going to have a little bit more bad luck in that portfolio going forward, and we reflected that in our loss picks. Cliff Gallant – Nomura : Okay, all right. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Josh Shanker at Deutsche Bank. Joshua Shanker – Deutsche Bank: Yeah, good morning everyone.

Albert A. Benchimol

Management

Hey Josh. Joshua Shanker – Deutsche Bank: Hi there. A couple of things which are related. I wanted to talk about the business mix issue and also talk about growth trajectory for accident, health and other small businesses and ultimately their effect on the trajectory of the expense ratio. So obviously they are small right now, but still the expense ratio is higher than it was a year ago. When should we start expecting some amelioration in that number and what sort of long-term plan or shorter term plan are you thinking about as it involves business mix?

Albert A. Benchimol

Management

Yeah, a couple of things that I would say. If you look at our expense ratio, one is we are clearly seeing long term and I think we should expect to see long term and that increase in the acquisition expense ratio for the company for two reasons. We probably hit a low in our MGA business last year. As you know, we have been repositioning our MGA book overall and we’re now growing it back up again and MGAs generally have a higher acquisition expense ratio. And we’re also seeding less reinsurance and we get less benefits of seeding commission and so you have that and so I expect that trend will sustain. With regard to the G&A issue, and let’s take A&H in particular because that’s a large enough book to discuss on its own, we said all along we needed to be in excess of $300 million worth of earned premium to be able to leverage those expenses across the book and achieve a combined ratio below 100. I don’t have a problem with achieving a technical ratio is the low to mid 90s. The issue is taking that infrastructure that we’re putting in place and as we said, our expectation is that by the end of the year, we will have reached that balance between earned premium on the one hand and technical margin and overall expense. I will also say that as a general practice, Josh, we will always have a handful of new initiatives and we will always invest in new offices and this is the R&D of our business. The R&D of our business is bringing on people, establishing a presence, building. So right now and I said this before, we still have challenging expense ratios in Canada and Australia as we’re expanding…

Joseph Henry

Management

Yeah, Josh, just two things. On A&H, our gross premiums for the year were about 269 million which was slightly above our plan. The mix of business between insurance and reinsurance was about 30:70, but as we move forward, Chris and team expect that that actually will move towards more of a 40:60 mix with a lower expense ratio. And just to maybe report on what happened during 2013, the G&A expense ratio for A&H itself came down by 7 points. So even though A&H is a bigger part of our earned premiums and had a higher expense ratio over time, their expense ratio will come down. So I don’t know if that helps at all. Joshua Shanker – Deutsche Bank: It does, it does. And on the loss ratio side, you mentioned business mix. I assume the business mix change is largely a decline in aviation, aerospace and increase in casualty? I just wanted to like understand what’s driving the – and I realize obviously there is the through 9 months ’13, you increased the loss pick there for the professional line but on the business mix, is that principally what you’re getting at when you say that the loss ratio is higher based on business mix change?

Albert A. Benchimol

Management

I think that’s right, and I’ll expand on that just a little bit Josh. But that’s a very good point. One of the things that we’re looking to do here is to significantly increase the capital efficiency of our book and reduce the volatility. So there are a number of lines of business that we’ve introduced recently that are very steady lines of business but with higher loss ratios. A good example will be A&H, which is a very steady line, but that’s contributing in fact to the growth in the loss ratio for the insurance industry. Another area that you will see that we’ve grown is we’ve grown the motor book in the reinsurance area. Again, that’s a high loss ratio, low expense ratio, very stable book of business. We’ve added just last year in the reinsurance area, over $100 million of agricultural reinsurance business, most of it is quota share. Again, that’s a higher loss ratio business. So all of these and I want to parse the two of them because you can argue that the lines that I’ve just discussed are high ratio, high loss ratio but low volatility. You also have casualty which is high loss ratio and higher volatility and so I wanted to make a point with distinguishing between the two. Yes, we are seeing very good growth opportunities for us in our U.S. excess and umbrella book. That is clearly a higher loss ratio business but that is approaching very attractive profitability levels. So all of those things are creating a shift in the mix of business to a slightly higher long term loss ratio, but also significantly reducing the volatility of the book. And I want to give you one more piece of data, over the last two years, Josh, we increased our premiums by about 15%. Over the same last two years, we reduced our shares outstanding by 16%. So we’ve been able to grow the book, diversify the book and return all of our profits to our shareholder as a result of having a much better capital efficiency in our portfolio. Joshua Shanker – Deutsche Bank: I appreciate all the color. It’s very helpful. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Vinay Misquith with Evercore. Vinay Misquith – Evercore Partners : The first question is related to the US DA notebook. If I heard correctly, you have $50 million of premiums and did you mention that you took the losses up by 30 million this year? So there seems to be a 60 point charge on the combined ratio.

Albert A. Benchimol

Management

Absolutely. As I said, this is an unbalanced book and if you have a $10 million line, three full limit losses is 30 million bucks. And the problem with that book is that it is small and it cannot absorb an increase in the frequency of volatility, and that’s a real issue. Now again, I think what’s really important is that when you have over 20 different portfolios of professional lines across the company, some are going to perform a little bit better, some are going to perform a little bit worse. But the totality of the portfolio when you get the benefit of the balance and the diversification in that portfolio, by totality, that portfolio continues to perform very well. And as I’ve said earlier, we saw a lot of positive indications for 11 and 12. We chose not to take them. So you’re getting all the bad news and none of the potential good news. We think that’s the right thing to do. We think the right thing to do at this point in time is having identified the issue that were made significant actions on the underwriting side, on the claims monitoring side and all of the other issues. Our underwriters are working very hard to rebalance this portfolio. They obviously are going to be looking very strongly at pricing, at mix, at everything else. But in the context of this, this book, 11, 12 and 13, is going to have very unattractive loss ratios. But we think that those unattractive loss ratios are prudent. We can’t guarantee anything but we’ve done everything we could to make sure that the likelihood of this thing hitting us or hurting us in 2014 and on is highly unlikely where I think we’re taking all the right moves including taking prudent view of what those years might be. Vinay Misquith – Evercore Partners : Okay, that’s helpful. The second question is just looking at – so I think the full year, accident year loss ratio ex-cat is the more appropriate way to look at things. But that was hurt by higher property loss support in both in the insurance and reinsurance segment and higher ag losses this year. Looking forward to next year, and looking at where pricing is going, should we see flattish margins next year versus this year? How much of a negative impact did ag and the property losses have on full year losses this year?

Albert A. Benchimol

Management

Good questions Vinay and I think the first thing that we need to say because I don’t know if you asked clearly enough, is actually had a very profitable year in ag. But all of the losses came in the fourth quarter as there were some adjustments in premium. There was a significant premium reduction after we got the final -- from our clients, we did get losses coming out of India and then we had a small SOL excess of loss in the U.S. piece. But net-net, we reported a profitable underwriting year in the ag book, it’s just that the losses kind of to come in the fourth quarter. With regard to the property book, there is always going to be some volatility. One of the issues that comes across here is that in the reinsurance side, we actually had very, very favorable property experience ex-cat in the fourth quarter of last year. so it makes the comparison year-over-year actually unattractive but that speaks more to the experience in the fourth quarter of last year as it is this year. so again, there is a lot of volatility that you would expect in a book of our size. But going back to your core question, we’ve benefitted from some pricing increases. In excess of half our book I would say last year was showing rates at or better than trends. And certainly that will be a positive issue there. But there is going to be continued volatility on the property side on a normal basis, on the cat side on a normal basis. I would say that when I look at all of our book year-over-year on a price basis excluding volatility, overall, there is probably a point of deteriorating year-over-year in terms of the price – profitability of the book. But that alone is not going to be a directive because the volatility in the book of the business, the construction of the portfolios will very likely have more impact on our ultimate results than that one point on a price basis. Vinay Misquith – Evercore Partners : Sure. And the one point includes the property cat and the reinsurance business, correct?

Albert A. Benchimol

Management

Again, the property cat is a separate issue because it’s a volatility issue. Vinay Misquith – Evercore Partners : Okay.

Albert A. Benchimol

Management

I’d say, all in, as I mentioned earlier, I think the reinsurance book is somewhere between 1 and 2 points of margin that we’re giving up in the book. On the property book, as I said, maybe a point all in. But I think the construct of our book and the change in the mix of our business are likely going to have more impact on the forward-looking numbers.

Joseph Henry

Management

Vinay, it’s Joe. Just a couple of things to follow up on that. In terms of agriculture profitability during the year, the technical ratio which is basically losses, acquisition costs was 93.3. So we had an excellent year on a year-to-date basis on agriculture. In case anybody is curious about the accident year loss ratios and we focus more on year-to-date than quarter, on the insurance side, the accident year loss ratio went up 3.5 points. And if you look at what that comprised of, it’s comprised of mix of 1.1 points and costs or experience of 2.4 points. The mix of that – the mix is really driven by A&H and the costs was really driven by the professional items that we discussed. On the reinsurance side, on a year-to-date basis, the accident year loss ratio is up 1.3 points and that is a case of mix actually declining by about a point and costs going up by about 2 point, 3 points and both of those issues of mix and costs are related to ag. Vinay Misquith – Evercore Partners : Okay, that’s helpful. Thank you.

Joseph Henry

Management

Okay.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Ryan Byrnes at Janney. Ryan Byrnes – Janney Capital Markets : Great. Thanks. So as you guys shift away from more capital intensive lines of business, how should we be thinking about I guess capital management going forward I guess in light this year you guys repurchased about 93% of operating earnings through dividends and repurchases. So how should we think about that going forward?

Joseph Henry

Management

Ryan, it’s Joe. We’ve really not changed our outlook as far as capital management is concerned. We’re going to continue to repurchase shares equal to our operating earnings less dividends, if the conditions are favorable to do that. Our PMLs have come down, you can see from the supplement, the financial supplement disclosure. But as Albert was mentioning, we’ve grown the book of business and that brings additional reserve risk to it. So to a certain extent, some of the PML reductions have been offset by increase in reserve risks. So we’re kind of standing if the opportunity presents itself, we’ll get active again. But overall, we’re not changing our strategy.

Albert A. Benchimol

Management

Ryan, if I may, there is a statement that you made that I have to correct. We’re not moving away from capital intensive lines. They are a strong part of our book, we’ve got great experience and a great history of positive results in that line. What we’re doing is we are adding to that book of business, we are growing in lines that diversify the book, we are growing in lines that don’t add a significant amount. But I want to make it very clear to everybody on the call, we are not moving away from those lines, we are an experience market, we are a good market for those lines and we will continue to participate in those lines. Ryan Byrnes – Janney Capital Markets : Okay great. That’s all I had, thank you.

Joseph Henry

Management

Thanks Ryan.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Meyer Shields at KBW. Meyer Shields – Keefe, Bruyette & Woods, Inc.: Thanks. When we look back at 2013, do the property and attritional losses over the full year, will that qualify as sort of average, above or below?

Albert A. Benchimol

Management

Well obviously on a cat basis, we had a below average year. there is no doubt about that. I think on a property type basis, what I would say to you is there is probably a little bit above average but what happened to them in the frequency in the distribution of those losses was not average. As you know, we had a real clumping of the losses in the second quarter. but when you look back at the full year, which ultimately we have to do, it was just a modestly above average year for property losses. Meyer Shields – Keefe, Bruyette & Woods, Inc.: Okay, perfect. And just a quick question, did you buy back any stock in January this year?

Albert A. Benchimol

Management

We did not buy back any stock in January this year. we are waiting for our window to open up in the next couple of days. And as Joe mentioned earlier, we haven’t changed our stance with regards to capital management. Meyer Shields – Keefe, Bruyette & Woods, Inc.: Okay, thanks very much.

Albert A. Benchimol

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Charles Sebaski at BMO Capital Markets. Charles J. Sebaski – BMO Capital Markets: Good morning. Thank you. I just had a question about the credit and political risks. It seems that it’s been growing pretty much this year and came down a little bit. I’m wondering if there is anything specific or global events, so just how the book has played out.

Albert A. Benchimol

Management

No, you’re right. We have had increased revenues in that book. We’ve had some good opportunities. We’ve expanded the book to include more project finance for example and just a better fit with the opportunities that we’ve been seeing in 2013 as compared to our appetite. That’s really been the issue. We feel good about the quality of the book. Interestingly enough the total exposure in the book has actually gone down year-over-year as the exposure assumed in prior years continues to go down. So I would say that the underlying risk in the portfolio is down year-over-year as the old business is running off. But we’ve put on some attractive new business and managed okay. Charles J. Sebaski – BMO Capital Markets: All right. And then regarding the new healthcare team that you’re putting on. I wonder if we could just get a little insight on where in that market you’re looking to play on the smaller, larger side, what kind of outlook or expectation you have for size or any additional thoughts you might want to share on that new plough.

Albert A. Benchimol

Management

As you know, we recently recruited a new team and it goes without saying, but this team is highly regarded in the industry, significant experience, presence in both the markets as well as the industry. What I would say is that what we expect to do here is build a very broad book of risks. We are going to go after doctors, doctors groups, hospitals, healthcare service organizations. It will generally be low limit primary mostly, but what I want to do here is take it at the appropriate pace. We’ve literally just brought on that team and the first thing that we’re going to do is we’re going to go through confirming all of the assumptions that we made. We’re going to develop the business plan, we’ll look at the brokers and we will come back at you with a more defined plan for that business. But you can’t do that when they’re busy working with other people. So we’re happy we got them on board, we’re going to be working internally to develop the right plan and if things go as we expect, we should start to write business in the summer. Charles J. Sebaski – BMO Capital Markets: Okay. I guess mine was – the question was more along the lines of do you see opportunities that the large hospitals, the large doctor groups, is this on the smaller end and sort of the spectrum of insureds out there that you sort of obviously saw a market opportunity for, that kind of piece of it?

Albert A. Benchimol

Management

Yes, that’s right. I think one of the things that’s very interesting is we have to recognize that with the evolution of the Affordable Care Act there are a lot of changes happening in the industry. And we believe that that will in fact create some new opportunities that may not have been there in the past. So when you look at their experience, I think physicians groups, hospitals, allied healthcare facilities, individual physicians, that will generally be the kind of market that we’ll be going after. Limits will generally be kept low and obviously we’ll be looking very much at securing that business in those states that have a good track record with regards to litigation and liability. It will be a surplus lines facility. So we’ve got all of those things planned properly but as you know, this is an industry right now, this is a market right now that is undergoing some transition. We did not bring this team on board to write a whole lot of business over the next six months to a year. What we did is we bought this team on board so that we can expand our offerings of professional liability. We have a very well diversified portfolio, we do accountants, we do lawyers, solicitors, insurance brokers, security consultants, architects, engineers, a whole slew of them. We think that this is a large market, we think that this is an appropriate addition to our portfolio of professional liability cover. And obviously less I would say a 12 to 24 month plan and much more of a longer term plan to expand and diversify our professional liability practice. Charles J. Sebaski – BMO Capital Markets: Great. I appreciate it.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Dan Farrell at Sterne Agee. Dan Farrell – Sterne Agee: Good morning. Can you expand a bit more on your strategy for reinsurance purchase in 2014 following some of the changes that you made in ’13?

Albert A. Benchimol

Management

Sure. We’ve made some – let’s just go through the changes we made in 2013, just for putting the context here. Like many people for a long time, we used to buy a lot of individual towers, buy low down on individual towers. And that was great for protecting the individual result of any one book of business. But what we found when we did a further analysis and again, I go back to my point, the secrets to improving the results overall is enhanced use of analytics in optimizing the portfolio. When we did all of that, what we were looking at was that we were seeding away a lot of our diversification benefit. And it just made a lot more sense for us to retain more of the individual towers in our various businesses. And we discussed that with you all in our Investor Day presentation. Mike Steel, our Chief Risk Officer went through that with you. So the first thing that we did, as we said, we can afford to buy more. Now of course because we wanted to be prudent, we also put a aggregate cap on those treaties so that if we got hit with too much frequency we got protection on that. But we thought that this was the right opportunity to do that; in some cases we actually increased quota share reinsurance purchases for some lines and in other lines we decreased quota share purchases for some lines. And the last thing that we did was as you know we issue a cat bond in July providing us with $200 million protection for aggregate U.S. losses in excess of $1 billion in a year. Another thing that we did is we started to take more opportunistic use of ILWs and capital market instruments to shave some of the peaks of our exposures. And we are now this year also going to use a little bit of retro in our reinsurance book to further manage the profitability of the book and further manage the volatility of that book. We regularly do reviews based on our best estimates of where the book is, the volatility of the book and where it’s going. My expectation is that you will see in 2014 some more modifications here and there across our reinsurance purchases. As I said, I think you will see for the first time the purchase of a little bit of retro in our reinsurance book but I think the major shift in approach happened in 2013. Dan Farrell – Sterne Agee: Okay, thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Ian Gordon at BAM. Ian M. Gordon – Bank of America Merrill Lynch: Hi, good morning. First, can you quantify the within the quarter, I know you gave the year, but within the quarter how much impact the non-cat property and agriculture losses were?

Joseph Henry

Management

Bear with me a second here.

Albert A. Benchimol

Management

I think you – on the reinsurance analysis. Ian M. Gordon – Bank of America Merrill Lynch: Chance a next one while you look.

Albert A. Benchimol

Management

Let me just go through the loss ratio information right now. Just bear with me.

Joseph Henry

Management

Ian, could you just repeat that question for me, to make sure I have it right because I have got some numbers in front of me. Just repeat that please. Ian M. Gordon – Bank of America Merrill Lynch: Sure. Just the comments in the press release and I think in your prepared remarks as well about Q4 in reinsurance having increased accident year due to the property losses and the non-catastrophic losses plus your…

Joseph Henry

Management

Right, for reinsurance in the quarter, we had an 8 point change in the accident year loss ratio. Some of that was due to mix, very little piece but most of it was due to the cost or experience and within the cost or experience property was 5.4 points and ag was 3 points. That’s in the quarter on reinsurance. Ian M. Gordon – Bank of America Merrill Lynch: Terrific, thank you.

Joseph Henry

Management

On the insurance side, if you need that, it was 6.1 points in the quarter. Ian M. Gordon – Bank of America Merrill Lynch: And that was all property?

Joseph Henry

Management

Yeah. Ian M. Gordon – Bank of America Merrill Lynch: Got it, okay great. Thank you. Then on the D&O, Albert, you obviously gave us a lot of color. I was hoping to push for a little bit more. Can you give us a little bit better idea of sort of where these claims came from? I mean you mentioned I think some medical, some tech, but I guess I'm looking more specifically, where were you attaching on these? Were they normal attachment points for you? Were they high, where they low? Were they side A, were they side B, were they derivative cases? Were they security access cases? What sort of additional color can you give us?

Albert A. Benchimol

Management

Ian, two from column A and one from column B. The real issue there, this is a primary book, so it attaches low. And what we got hit on in the second half of the year was a higher frequency of securities class actions on the primary public D&O book. And as I mentioned we did have a heightened number of cases in the tech and healthcare parts of the portfolio. Ian M. Gordon – Bank of America Merrill Lynch: Okay. So this is traditional, the kind of stuff I would see in say the cornerstone data or whatever should correlate to those kind of cases?

Albert A. Benchimol

Management

It is and as I mentioned earlier the issue with our portfolio with that because of its distribution by industry it is not -- it has not historically been a good proxy for the industry. And as I mentioned earlier, at the risk of repeating myself some of the cornerstone that was a available, a lot of that stuff we missed, we missed because of the way the portfolio was constructed. Unfortunately we did get hits in the second half of ’13. Ian M. Gordon – Bank of America Merrill Lynch: Okay. And then your plans for renewing that business, I mean simplistically if you’re adding 30 million of claims on a 15 million book and you already had I assume – loss ratio book, it would seem to imply you’re right over 100 loss ratio in this book which is suggesting using a lot of pricing or cannot renew, or am I misreading that?

Albert A. Benchimol

Management

You’re absolutely correct, the loss ratio is in excess of 100 and are our corrective action plan includes a combination of a number of issues, one of which is clearly we need to push price in a number of areas. B, we need to revisit the premium to limit, balance the book. We think in fact that when we look at what’s happening in this book, we have here what could be the core of an interesting book. But where it is right now is between and betwixt. We think there is an opportunity for us here to be more focused on exactly the kind of distribution we want on this book and we think that actually with a greater number of risks in that portfolio we’ll actually get more balance. So it’s getting a distribution which is more reflective if you would of the industry and getting a better balance. Now as I mentioned to you in terms of my market comment, these are difficult markets. We are getting price increases in there, but we’re going to have to work at getting that balance. Until then we’re going to make sure that we are containing this book so that it does not hurt us in the future. Ian M. Gordon – Bank of America Merrill Lynch: Got it. Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Mike Nannizzi at Goldman Sachs.

Albert A. Benchimol

Management

Yes, Mike.

Joseph Henry

Management

He must be gone.

Albert A. Benchimol

Management

I think we lost him operator.

Operator

Operator

Okay, at this time we’ll conclude the question and answer session. Mr. Benchimol, would you like to make any closing remarks.

Albert A. Benchimol

Management

Thank you. again, I want to go back to my opening comment. On the whole, it was a good year, but certainly there are things within this year that we are not happy about. I believe that we took the right actions to take care of it and continue within 2013. We will take action and we will report to you on our progress as the year continues. Thank you very much and we’ll speak with you shortly.

Operator

Operator

The conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today’s presentation. You may now disconnect.