Good morning, and welcome to Acuity Brands 2013 Second Quarter Financial Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Today's conference is being recorded. If you have any objections, you may disconnect at this time. Now I would like to introduce Mr. Dan Smith, Senior Vice President, Treasurer and Secretary. Sir, you may begin.

Good morning. With me today to discuss our second quarter results are Vern Nagel, our Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer; and Ricky Reece, our Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. We are webcasting today's conference call at www.acuitybrands.com. I would like to remind everyone that during this call, we may make projections or forward-looking statements regarding future events or future financial performance of the company. Such statements involve risk and uncertainties such that actual results may differ materially. Please refer to our most recent 10-K and 10-Q SEC filings and today's press release, which identify important factors that could cause the actual results to differ materially from those contained in our projections or forward-looking statements. Now let me turn this call over to Vern Nagel.

Thank you, Dan. Good morning, everyone. Ricky and I would like to make a few comments and then we will answer your questions. Overall, we are quite pleased with our results for the second quarter, particularly given the challenging market conditions and the continued complexities associated with the Cochran closure. With that said, we feel we delivered solid results while achieving success on numerous strategic priorities. You will recall from our previous calls and filings, we expected market demand in the first half of our fiscal year to be soft and inconsistent. As independent market data became available for our first fiscal quarter, it confirmed the economic slowdown we anticipated, which carried into our second fiscal quarter. The result was inconsistent demand this quarter, as well as, but a lesser -- but to a lesser degree. However, in spite of this variability, we achieved meaningful sales volume growth. In fact, this quarter was our 12th quarter in a row of sales volume growth. I believe this is, yet again, positive evidence our strategy to diversify the end markets we serve and to extend our leadership position in North America is succeeding. These strategies include the continued aggressive introduction of innovative, energy-efficient lighting solutions, expansion in key channels and geographies, and improvements in customer service and company-wide productivity. As we noted in our last conference call, we expect to continue to outperform the markets we serve and to deliver full year results in 2013, more consistent with our longer-term financial goals as noted in our 10-K. Remember, these goals represent upper quartile performance. I know many of you have already seen our results, and Ricky will provide more detail later. But I would like to make a few comments on the highlights for the quarter. Net sales for the quarter were…

Thank you, Vern, and good morning, everyone. I will highlight a few items regarding our income statement, including the special charge and production inefficiencies related to our streamlining activities. I then will discuss our cash flow and financial condition before turning the call back to Vern. Vern covered the primary drivers for our sales growth and our profitability, so I'll not repeat these items, but I would like to provide a bit more color on certain aspects of our second quarter results. Let's first look at our streamlining activities. In the second quarter of fiscal 2013, we recognized a pretax special charge and temporary expenses related to the previously announced streamlining actions, totaling $3.1 million or $0.05 per diluted share. The pretax special charge was $0.3 million, related primarily to the costs associated with the transfer of production due to the closure of the Cochran facility. In addition to this special charge, we incurred $2.8 million of higher pretax costs related to temporary manufacturing inefficiencies associated with the closing of this facility, consisting primarily of expenses associated with the initial set-up of production at various facilities that have accepted the production of products previously manufactured at the Cochran facility, and nonproductive operating costs at the Cochran facility, which ceased when the plant closed during our second quarter. As Vern said earlier, we find it useful to adjust our results for these items to make them more comparable, and we have included in our earnings release a full reconciliation of our GAAP amounts to these adjusted results. The closure of the Cochran facility began in the third quarter of fiscal 2012. And as we mentioned previously in our 10-K and 10-Q and prior earnings conference calls, the timing of completing the transfer and closing the facility was dependent on how quickly…

Thank you, Ricky. As we look forward, we see significant long-term growth opportunities, even though short-term economic challenges are still the norm. While we don't give earnings guidance, I would like to add a few more observations to what I mentioned earlier regarding our expectations for the balance of 2013. First, as we have noted before, while we expect the economic environment to continue to be challenging, we anticipate that businesses and consumers in the U.S. will accelerate their investments, as uncertainties over U.S. fiscal issues become clearer and the economy continues to improve. Forecasts by independent organizations for industry growth continue to vary widely. The consensus is the growth rate for key segments of the nonresidential construction market for new construction in the U.S. will still be in the lower mid-single-digits in 2013, while sales for lighting fixtures are expected to be modestly higher, supported by renovation and retrofit activity, and a growing residential market. This suggests that expected growth in the broad lighting market in North America will be in the low- to mid-single-digit range for our fiscal 2013. This is reasonably consistent with our outlook in previous filings. Additionally, as we noted earlier, there are other signs that give us optimism regarding future growth of our business. Leading indicators, such as Architecture Billings Index, vacancy rates, office absorption, lending availability and the rebound in residential construction are all favorable signs. Therefore, while we still expect to see some volatility in demand among certain sales channels and geographies, our expectation for the second half of fiscal 2013 is that over demand -- overall demand in our end markets will continue to improve and be more consistent and broad-based. The favorable trend in our March order rates reflects this improvement. Second, the industry continues to experience some volatility with…

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Scott Reynolds from Jefferies. Scott Reynolds - Jefferies & Company, Inc., Research Division: So quarter-over-quarter, we saw a decline of core business x LEDs and overall, the market is relatively slow there with the LEDs that's helping your overall growth rates. How -- have you guys seen a consolidation among some of the larger producers that are able to give resources towards LEDs? And are you seeing your overall market share increasing?

Scott, this is Vern. I'll take the first cut at that, then I'll ask Ricky to comment. We look at the overall lighting market in its totality. Of course, LED, as a light source, is a growing component of the industry. But when we look at the total marketplace, again, we see low single-digit kinds of growth. But we see ourselves gaining share both in conventional light sources, as well as LED. So while you see our LED -- a portion of our business growing quite significantly, we expect that normal cannibalization to occur. But we're looking at the overall market. And as I said earlier in my prepared remarks, our expectation is that, that overall market, over the next few years, will see considerable growth because of improving demand, better technology allowing for paybacks through renovation. So from our perspective, we are offering our customers complete lighting solutions, whether it's a conventional light source, an LED light source, now coupled, part of -- as a holistic solution, not just combined with controls and things of that nature. So our two cents on it is that we're seeing LED growth. Our conventional business, while as a percentage of the total is declining, it's not declining anywhere near the rate as our LED business is growing. So we're showing overall sales volume growth, that I think is quite significant compared to where the market is. And we're doing that both in conventional, as well as our LED solutions business. Scott Reynolds - Jefferies & Company, Inc., Research Division: And on that same note, on the conventional side, have you seen any additional pricing pressure with some of the legacy producers trying to maintain margins? And then on the LED side, how do you use your position, your considerable agent channel, to fend off some of the low-priced products that are coming into the market on the LED side?

So with regard to conventional, so much of it is a project-by-project, channel-by-channel decision, whether it be competition, pricing, value-add capability. I don't think that we're seeing anything that is different than what we've experienced in terms of price competition on the conventional side. And LED is probably not terribly dissimilar, while component costs continue to come down and they vary all over the board, it depends really on application-specific, product-specific capability. It's still a competitive market, whether it's LED or conventional. And I don't know that there is a significant difference, from our perspective, between LED and conventional, from a competitive standpoint. We're all seeing prices decline on componentry. Eventually, that will begin to stabilize. When that happens, I don't know, 18, 24, 36 months from now. And then it will be based on the value-add of the solution that you provide. And again, our expectation is, is that ultimately, LED-based luminaires that have much more capability than, say, conventional luminaires will be a higher value-add component and will generate more favorable margins because of the capabilities that they'll have to offer so much more value to the end customer.

Our next question comes from Noelle Dilts from Stifel. Noelle C. Dilts - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc., Research Division: My first question is, again, you had very nice volume growth in the quarter. Can you make an estimate, how much of that volume growth came from this deferral -- the deferred project volume to the quarter versus kind of a core improvement?

It's a great question. And unfortunately, it would only be a guess. We know that projects, certain renovation projects, were deferred. To try and quantify that, I think, would be a bit of a challenge. The whole notion of renovation, particularly amongst the large retailers and other larger corporate-type accounts, continues because the payback opportunity provided by better, more efficient lighting is rather significant. So our expectation is that we'll continue to grow that business. Unfortunately, our second quarter, which is traditionally our softest, when these types of projects came through, fantastic for top line growth, but it did have an impact on our margin dynamics. I think if you look at the first half, you see that our overall gross profit margins were roughly 40%, a little bit influenced by more of this renovation. So to me, it's a little bit of a challenge to try to understand exactly how much was deferred, though we know some of it. Just to put a little bit more perspective on those types of activities, if you look at our net increase in revenues of roughly $30 million, between these types of accounts, as well as our business through the home center, it represented about 2/3 of the growth. The rest of the growth came through our C&I channel and was actually even higher. But there, too, we had mix differences that were going on. Our sales volume growth was over 9% this quarter. So pretty robust along many, many fronts. Noelle C. Dilts - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc., Research Division: Okay. And this is to -- expanding on that, you have seen a sort of negative mix impact in over the past couple of 2 quarters. When you look forward? Do you see that changing as you move into the back half of the year? Or when you look at the increase in large orders, is it more of a continuation of the same?

No, we do expect to continue this level of business and volume. But we expect the other portions of our business to now start to continue to grow at more consistent rates as these areas. And so, therefore, we are expecting, in the second half, a more traditional mix of business. So we would expect that with the volume, the traditional mix and continued efficiencies and productivity in our business, we would expect to see our gross profit margins start to expand back to more historical and expected levels.

Our next question comes from Christopher Glynn from Oppenheimer. Christopher Glynn - Oppenheimer & Co. Inc., Research Division: Vern, just to dig into some of your comments around the volume outlook. You just did 9%, and it sounds like you expect overall demand to continue to improve. If we go back a quarter, I don't think double digits was even in the lexicon, really, for the medium-term outlook. So just wondering what the real drivers are to such an abrupt shift in the trend there.

Well, again, our expectation is that the overall lighting market will grow, in our fiscal 2013, low- to mid-single-digit range. So the notion of double-digit growth really is Acuity outperforming the market that it serves, or the many markets that it serves. So I'd like to be clear around that point. Number two, this quarter, we were benefited by some delay and then carryover effect. It's difficult, as I mentioned in the previous question, difficult to precisely estimate how much that was. It was some. So the 9% growth was a bit of a make-up for some of the expected or the shortfall that we experienced in the first quarter. I think if you look at our overall first half, where we said we expected inconsistency and choppiness in the marketplace, it played out that way. But yet, when we look at the first half growth over the year-ago first half, I believe, Ricky, we were up, what, 4% or 5%. So that's fairly consistent with kind of what our view was. But our expectation for the second half is that we will continue to post some reasonably strong revenue growth, driven by sales growth, as well as share gains.

Well, and I would just add, as Vern made in his -- mentioned in the comments, we are seeing some of the macro indicators, in the Architecture Billings Index, employment, vacancy rates, those types of things beginning to improve, not at rapid rates and not always consistent month-to-month, but are seeing indications that if the economy continues to show this slow recovery here in North America, that we'll benefit from a stronger market in the second half than what we had in the first half.

And Chris, we are also expecting and seeing some of the investments that we have made over the last few years starting to contribute to our growth. And as we get into the second half of our year, it's typically when we start to see things like schools and commercial office buildings and other types of business, where the mix is a little bit richer because of the value-add of the products and solutions that we sell into that. So we're expecting kind of 1-2 punch of a better mix of products, as well as this economy and the demand for space and lighting and so on and so forth starting to improve. And our expectation is that renovation will continue to be a source of growth for Acuity and for the industry. Christopher Glynn - Oppenheimer & Co. Inc., Research Division: Okay. So the spirit of your -- I appreciate the color, by the way. The spirit of the comment on a pick up might have been more on the second half versus -- of first half comment than versus 2Q rates?

Yes. Again, as Ricky points out, we think that there is leading indicators that would suggest that the overall demand will start to become more consistent, more broad-based and more favorable. I still think that the overall, for our fiscal 2013, when we look at the market, I believe that, that kind of low mid-single-digit range is probably reasonable. And again, Acuity would expect -- we expect to outperform the markets we serve.

Our next question comes from Peter Lisnic from Robert W Baird. Joshua K. Chan - Robert W. Baird & Co. Incorporated, Research Division: This is Josh Chan filling in for Pete. So with respect to your comments about the higher mix of value-oriented products, can you give us a little bit more color on that? And particularly whether that's due to the market or your strategy? Or is that simply a normal fluctuation in your view?

I believe that it's more of a normal fluctuation. Different channels have different profit dynamics to create our overall average. When we serve products or projects that have a more rich mix of the entire portfolio of products that we're able to provide, we tend to see our margins improve. When a project is a single fixture type and it's in a certain channel, such as doing renovation for large retailers, the margin profile on those types of projects tend to be less than our overall average, just reflecting the competitiveness of that space. Joshua K. Chan - Robert W. Baird & Co. Incorporated, Research Division: Okay, great, that makes sense. And then my second question is on the price declines of LED luminaires. I mean, obviously, as the component prices decline there's reason to believe that fixture prices should decline as well. But I was wondering if you're seeing any pressure that's sort of beyond the natural pressure, if you will. Any unnatural price pressures caused by either new entrants or certain competitors that you're seeing in the LED space?

Yes, I can't really comment on the pricing strategy of all of our competitors. It's very much, and I think it's consistent with the way the industry has been, it's very much a channel-specific, project-specific, piece of business-specific opportunity around what are going to be the pricing dynamics into that space. And for those competitors who really have only price as their point of differentiation, it probably is a challenge for them. That doesn't mean that we're not insensitive to what pricing in the market, but we work very diligently to add value beyond just the price of a component or a solution. We really try to sell the fulsomeness of what Acuity provides as part of that overall capability. And so therefore, we are looking to differentiate, based on the fulsomeness of our value proposition, not just price. Be clear, the markets are always competitive, the various channels, the various end customers, it's a competitive market. And whether it's conventional lighting solutions or it's LED-based solutions, we see that same level of competitiveness throughout. And I would say that it's not materially inconsistent with what historical norms have been.

Our next question comes from Winnie Clark of UBS.

My first question is, in terms of the increased spending you've seen on new products, how should we think about that going forward? Is that something that will become a tailwind at some point? Or have we seen a bit of a structural shift where you'll have a more elevated level of spending going forward relative to historical norms on new products?

I would say that we probably are at a fairly consistent level. I mean, the cadence that the organization is producing products is formidable, and the investment that we have, infrastructure to support that, is pretty consistent. We just acquired 2 fantastic businesses, both very small, Adura, as well as eldoLED. These businesses have fairly de minimis revenues compared to our overall portfolio. But yet, their capability and what they can bring, and will bring, and are bringing, in terms of broader solutions will allow us to, I think, leverage future sales. So spending feels to us like it's kind of in a consistent range. We may see a little bit of uptick in some of our commissioning because these products are very high -- high value add. But I think overall, we're probably in a pretty consistent range. It's now really leveraging the top line to help drive that, as well as continuing to drive productivity throughout our organization. As Ricky pointed out earlier, we're getting the consolidation of the Cochran facility behind us. And I think you'll start to see us continue to drive that level of improvement and productivity that we are known for, that should also be contributory to improved gross margins going forward.

Okay, great. And then just lastly, back to the LED pricing pressure that you saw. And then, to what degree was that offset by the declining input cost? So in other words, how should we think of the impact of the lower prices on margins for LEDs versus what you've seen over the last couple of quarters?

So again, great question. The issue for us is it's very product specific and then channel specific. We have said in the past that our margins on our LED portfolio are within the range of our conventional lighting. And that still is true. But again, it's very, very product specific. So as we respond to market level pricing, but we also respond to the value proposition that we bring, looking to differentiate and extract more value at higher price for what we deliver. So as we think about pricing in the marketplace, we're trying to make sure that we're protecting the margins that we believe we deserve for the type of value that we bring to the table. So as that pricing for components continues to decline, our sense is, is that it finds its way back into the market, typically, in terms of lower selling prices. But yet, it's virtually impossible to categorize it as -- in a very general light. You have to be very specific about channel, product and value.

Our next question comes from Rich Kwas from Wells Fargo Securities.

This is Deepak Raj [ph in for Rich Kwas. My first question is on your order trends. Could you talk to order trends within the quarter and particularly what happened in March? Did you see an uptick towards the second half, first half? Any commentary there is helpful.

We believe that in the second quarter, our input rate was fairly consistent with the sales volume that we saw. Our backlog, first quarter -- or excuse me, second quarter of this year compared to second quarter last year was essentially flat. So you saw the nice uptick in volume. And from what we have seen so far in March, we would expect to continue to see a favorable year-over-year trend in order rates reflective of, again, what we believe are improving conditions in the overall marketplace.

Okay. Was March second half weighted? Any color there at all? Or was it very consistent throughout the month or...

Gosh, golly, to look at daily order rates and then trying to draw a conclusion from that is almost impossible. So we tend to look at months and then quarters. And I would say that -- and we typically try during this call to give some reflection of what we saw in our order rates for the month. So that someone can at least have some basis to say, what's the trend in the marketplace. And again, our March input was favorable compared to the year-ago period.

Okay. My next question is expanding on previous sales questions, but I just want a different take on this. On the margins in LED, it just appears to me that if you're passing through the component cost decreases, your margins should actually increase, everything else equal. But what is happening there? How should we think about this? Is the pass through lesser than -- way of price? Is it lesser? Is the component cost benefit being passed through, is it lesser? Is the price more than the component cost benefit? Or what are the other dynamics that will actually affect the margins in the LED space? I mean, not just now but going forward to how do we think about that space?

Sure. So generally speaking, LED luminaires are more expensive than their equivalent counterpart, than conventional lighting. And it varies across the map, depending on what type of application or product it is. But generally speaking, they're still higher. So as pricing of componentry comes down and as other -- or as all of us put that pricing back into the market, attempting to stimulate more demand, creating more value, not just on the fixture, but on the overall solution, pricing becomes more what is the value and use, what's the payback, what is the opportunity. So I would agree with you. And as I mentioned earlier, our expectation is that once component cost becomes somewhat at parity with its conventional counterpart for the same type of output, you're going to see a higher margin because the LED luminaire with our controls capability will allow for much more value add to the end customer, typically paid for through superior energy savings, again, based on how we manage the internal workings of an LED luminaire. So our expectation is that margin should improve over time. I think we are a ways off from that. In other words, a ways off from having the light engine from a conventional light source or luminaire be equivalent to what an LED light engine would be. I still think that the cost of those are quite a ways out. So -- or the price comparability, I should say, cost comparability. So I think it's still a bit of a time before we see that expansion of margin on LED-based luminaires. Ricky, do you have any additional comment on that?

No, I would echo, not only do we see the potential, as LED becomes a bigger percentage of the market for a margin expansion as a result of all of the value add and the value proposition LED offers. Certainly, energy savings is one, but much lower maintenance costs, the ability to control for architectural purposes or for tuning wide [ph] so that you can productivity enhancements and so forth. All of these things suggest to us that people would be willing to pay for this added benefit that they're going to receive from this very controllable, very long life, very low energy consumption technology. And not just LED. We're obviously investing heavily in organic LED and as technologies move and, of course, the most recent acquisitions showed the investments we're making in wireless controls, as well as drivers that we think, here, you can put software, you can put capability. If you have a wireless control that's on an LED that cuts the installation cost substantially, then we would think you'd be able to sell that solution at a higher cost than you would be able to sell a wired solution. So again, we look at it all as a system and a solution of which as these systems and solutions become more mainstream, we should see an opportunity for that to enhance our margins.

Okay. That's helpful. One quick clarification. So Cochran is behind us now. When you say principally complete, it's just done and there's only just one more million left, and then we only have savings to reap from here?

That's correct. Finally, yes, the plant has been totally shut down. Actually, had an auction and sold off the last of the equipment. So -- and it's up for sale. If anybody's interested in a plant in southern Georgia, give us a call. We would certainly have a very nice facility we would love to sell. So that's totally shut down and actively being marketed for sale and the permitting issues and all are behind us. We're just now in these last few months of transitioning workforce and getting them up the efficiency curve through training and volume that we've moved in and so forth and do not expect any more inefficiencies after this $1 million estimate that we have for our third quarter.

Our next question comes from Matt McCall from BB&T Capital Markets. Matthew Schon McCall - BB&T Capital Markets, Research Division: So Vern, on the margin front, you talked about the second half, I think, being more consistent with historical levels. And I think you referenced some expected mix shift. I assume part of that mix shift is less renovation, more new. So that the question is, you referenced the ABI, several leading indicators, do you have any, maybe more tangible, evidence if it's actual project activity, RFPs, order rates on those longer term projects? Anything tangible we can talk about? And I'm really trying to get to the visibility into that back half mix shift.

Well, Matt, I think you could look at sort of our historical trends as a way to look and use that as a platform, if you will, to create your models going forward. It is very typical of Acuity for our second half to be 52%, 53%, 54% of our annual revenues compared to the first half. And so I don't think that, that trend is going to -- it will continue. The other thing is, is that as you get into the third and fourth quarter, you typically have a more rich mix of business that are around projects, whether it's schools, so I think schools still are -- it's a challenging business right now because of state and local-type government funding and financing. But that's a good example of, again, a vertical that needs to have all of its work done before, if you will, September 1. So we historically have had a richer mix of business, as well as more volume in the second half. Our third and fourth quarters are typically our strongest quarters. So we're expecting that to continue. I want to be very clear. We like the renovation business. We work very hard to do an excellent job for our very large, if you will, corporate customers. We bring great value to them. But those projects tend to have a very narrow mix of products that go on to those projects as compared with a commercial office building. So when you see things like absorption and employment rates improving, all of those are typically very favorable leading indicators for a company like Acuity Brands, which really provides superior solutions into those types of applications. So when we look at both indoor, outdoor and the investments that we've made, whether, again, it's eldoLED, which is a fantastic company, and how it's allowing us to bring greater, more effective lighting solutions, we think that it gives us a leg up to really do well as these markets come back where we've had traditional strengths. Matthew Schon McCall - BB&T Capital Markets, Research Division: And okay. Okay. And we're now, Vern, I guess you haven't mentioned, this is controls. And I know that part of the overall solution and you don't break it out. But can you just talk about the -- maybe the percent of luminaire sales that now include some type of smart controls and -- again, I know you don't break it out, but maybe remind us of the margin opportunity there, what's the trajectory of the penetration of those smart controls in your sales as you build that bridge to a 50% growth rate a few years out?

So when folks think about our LED luminaires, virtually every luminaire has a level of control capability in it, you have to control that luminaire. And a lot of the investments that we have made aren't really directed towards that. And I'll just comment on eldoLED. eldoLED is a superior dimming technology for LED capability. We are a customer of eldoLED, and that's how we came to know them. The ability to provide superior lighting solutions, architectural dimming, tunable light is -- that's what they do, and that's what Acuity is now going to do. And we're going to make those products, by the way, available to the industry because they're so fantastic. Anyway, coming back to the margin dynamics or, excuse me, around controls. It's not just controls in the luminaire, but controls of entire lighting spaces. We see that business growing meaningfully. If we look at what our nLight System is doing, again, very small today, but it's literally doubling every quarter in terms of its capability, obviously, from a very small base, but it's -- it allows us to really win jobs because of the overall holistic capability of what Acuity Brands can bring. And customers love it because it's all Acuity. If there's an issue, they know who is going to resolve it. There's no finger-pointing about, well, someone else made this component and someone else brought their software to do this. So who's at fault? It's a fantastic solution. So we see that business continuing to grow. When we acquired many of the businesses, we thought that they would double every 18 months. We have been reasonably on that track. A few quarters, we've had a blip or 2, here or there, only because, I think, 6 months to 12 months ago, Ricky, some of the renovation work slowed down and we sell a lot of our controls componentry into those spaces. We're very complementary with the large ESCOs. We sell a lot of product to them. So some of that business had ebb and flow, but we continue to see a positive trajectory for our overall controls capability.

Then maybe just to add on that. Virtually, all of our LED products, which are now, as Vern indicated, almost 50% -- 15% of our sales have controls on it at some level, whether it's lumen maintenance that allows you to get the same lumen output over the life of the fixture, whether it's dimming capability, whether it's daylight harvesting or other types of capability that we're putting into that, whether the customer chooses to activate it today or it's latency in there and then they can activate it at a later date as they integrate a more holistic system in or integrate it into their building management system. So without being able to give you a specific, what percentage of our luminaires and all, as you see LED growing as a percentage of our sales virtually all of those have some level of control in it. And obviously, we control a lot of the traditional fixtures as well. And as we build out our control platform with these acquisitions, that gives us that many more opportunities to add those features to the products as the customer sees the value. Matthew Schon McCall - BB&T Capital Markets, Research Division: And Ricky, maybe just a follow-up on that. So when you talk about the renovation activity today and you compare it maybe to the pre-controls initiative, is the dollars -- the spend per square foot noticeably different now when you compare to previous projects? Maybe you can talk about some of these retailers? Are you seeing an increased adoption of controls in the buy?

I wouldn't say -- again, it's project to project, if it's have big large retailer, you wouldn't necessarily see a meaningful shift. And in fact, most of the retail renovation we're doing is still traditional, still going to more energy-efficient fluorescent. We still have the LED conversion opportunity ahead of us. Obviously, occupancy sensors, those are becoming more a norm because the payback is so quick. So you're seeing a bit, but it's so project by project. I don't know that I'd want to make a broad statement on the trend.

And Ricky, I would say in the renovation side, particularly on the industrial side, which is, again, a very fast-growing opportunity, there you're seeing many, many more luminaires with embedded controls because of how that space wants to be lit and how they use of those industrial spaces, particularly warehouses.

Our next question comes from Jagadish Iyer from Piper Jaffray.

Two questions I just want to understand a little bit more in terms of the gross margin side, I just want to look at -- if I look at, going forward, when you talked about recovery in the gross margin side, how should we be thinking about the LED side, as well as the traditional side? And then I have a follow-up.

Well, again, we provide gross margin on a consolidated basis. We don't really break out gross margin between conventional and LED. But let me say that our expectation, on a go-forward basis, is that we will realize a more historical mix in our second half than what we did, say, in this particular quarter. This quarter was skewed by larger renovation projects and, to a lesser degree, certain value-oriented products, which typically have a lower margin profile being sold through certain channels, whether it's C&I or home improvement. So as we expand into our second half, we would expect that the mix would be a more rich mix of our capability not -- I want to be clear about this, not because we would be selling less renovation, we would just be selling more of some of these other types of projects, which carry more traditionally higher mix of product.

Yes. Just as a follow-up, do you see any kind of incentives in the horizon, particularly in the LED side, that would really accelerate the adoption of lighting of LED-based lighting?

I'll take a cut, then I'll let Ricky take a cut. There are still incentives, both at the federal level through tax credits, as well as at the state level through general utilities, to provide for the conversion of older, inefficient lighting to newer, efficient lighting. And it's not just the light source of LED. As Ricky pointed out earlier, conventional lighting, particularly very efficient fluorescent products also qualify because they can drive so much savings. This is why Acuity is agnostic to the light source, but very focused on providing a good/better/best value proposition into those verticals, into those channels, into those customers based on what their needs are. So I believe that there will continue to be the types of incentives that will encourage people to convert older, less efficient lighting to new, more efficient lighting. I also believe, this is just a personal belief, that in the next few years, we will see some type of government-mandated energy policy that will further drive the adoption of just more efficient lighting, both conventional, as well as LED.

That was a comment I was going to add on while we're seeing a decline in incentives, not necessarily seeing an increase there, they're pretty broad-based already, but where we are seeing some growth is in the regulatory side, whether it's in the building codes, whether it's obviously the banning of the incandescent bulb over several years here in the U.S. And I agree with Vern, I think at a national level, we may see some form of an energy policy that will dictate some level of control, or some level of dimming and so forth. So I think the green movement, the sustainability movement, is growing and is very strong. And lighting is one of the largest consumers of energy, in both residential and commercial households. I think it's going to be a very much a focus around taking advantage of where technology, both on the light source side, as well as on the control side, to get these kinds of reductions and use of energy and cleaner energy. And I think we're going to see continued growth in the building codes, not only enacting more building codes, but more strict enforcement of the building codes that are out there, because virtually every state has some level of requirements already.

Our final question comes from Colin Rusch from Northland Capital Markets.

Can you talk about what you're seeing from the LED providers in terms of evolving geometries? We know that [indiscernible] went into a smaller geometry, are you starting to see that from any other providers just yet?

So the great news for Acuity is that we scour the globe looking for the best, most cost-effective, efficacious componentry that's available. And while I'm not expert on geometry and sizes of chips, I will tell you that the evolution of the technology and the leveraging of the investments that a lot of these very large folks that they will continue, will proliferate. And again, we buy from virtually everybody, but it's really very much specific to the application and the opportunity. So I would expect there to continue to the cost evolution and efficiency evolution, particularly as these things commoditize.

We continue to send teams around the globe. We have a team in Asia, as we speak now, continuing to monitor the progress that each of the chip manufacturers are making in both high-performance, mid- and low-performance chips and are very eager to work with all of them as the value proposition makes sense in the application we're looking at.

But nothing so far in terms of material changes in geometry that you're seeing today, correct?

Again, I would say that there are others out there who can answer that question far more effectively for you than me.

Okay, perfect. And then just a value capture with a couple of these new technology acquisitions. Do you really see that the value capture being in a higher ASP? Or are you going to be able to design a fair amount of cost out of your systems with eldoLED technology or their indoor technology that you're bringing to the table now?

It's a great question. We see it as an opportunity for both. And I'll just speak to eldoLED for a second here. Their capability to provide continuous dimming is unparalleled in the market. And to do it in a very cost-effective way is really their skill set. And we'll make those components available to the industry. So there's an opportunity for cost and benefit. The real opportunity for Acuity is to incorporate this type of technology, more fulsomely throughout its portfolio, so that we can bring capability to a broader market than exists today. Very high in architectural dimming, it's very expensive, and few people can really take advantage of it. With eldoLED, I believe Acuity is going to make tunable light much more mainstream and affordable, where we know in schools, it can enhance the learning experience. Where we know in health care, it can enhance the healing experience. So these types of investments, I think, will allow us to provide a very differentiated solution to end users, like health care, like schools, universities, commercial office buildings, and to make it user friendly. We understand how to use light, and we know how to make it user friendly. So I think that it gives us a real opportunity to expand how people use lighting in their space in a much broader way. So I think its two-fold: Cost, but it's also going to be capability, and that's pretty exciting.

One other item I'd mention, eldoLED is the reason we've also made some international acquisitions in Canada with the international capabilities that the value proposition for us is expanding and being able to service other parts of the globe with the proper certified electronics. UL, obviously, is the primary certification that we look to here in North America. But CE, obviously, is prevalent in Europe and other parts of the world. eldoLED now brings us that CE certified driver that we can input into our fixtures and be more global and more opportunity to compete on that front and grow our market share in that way. So it's not only enhancing the capability, but expanding our ability to address the market.

And I'll just further point out, as Ricky mentioned, the acquisitions of Pathway and Horizon and Renaissance and others have brought tremendous human capability. And these products are now hitting the markets. We're very excited to be at LIGHTFAIR because of what our customer base will see. But it's not -- it shouldn't lost on anyone that Acuity won the Technology Brand Leader designation from the architectural Solid-State Lighting Product Innovation Awards. We are leading this area. These acquisitions are a meaningful part of us being able to do these things.

I would now like to turn the call back over to Mr. Vernon Nagel for closing remarks.

Thank you, everyone, for your time this morning. We strongly believe we are focusing on the right objectives, deploying the proper strategies and driving the organization to succeed in critical areas that will, over the longer term, deliver strong returns to our key stakeholders. Our future is bright. Thank you for your support.

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