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Q4 2017 Earnings Call· Thu, Mar 1, 2018

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Operator

Operator

Welcome to the StoneCastle Financial Corporation Fourth Quarter 2017 Investor Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. Now I would like to turn the call over to Rachel Schatten, General Counsel of StoneCastle Financial.

Rachel Schatten

Analyst

Good afternoon. Before we begin this conference call, I'd like to remind everyone that certain statements made during the call may be considered forward-looking statements based on current management expectations that involve substantial risks and uncertainties. Actual results may differ materially from the results stated in or implied by these forward-looking statements. This would depend on numerous factors, such as changes in securities or financial markets or general economic conditions; the volume of sales and purchases of shares of common stock; the continuation of investment advisory, administrative, and service contracts; and other risks discussed from time-to-time in the company's filings with the SEC, including annual and semiannual reports of the company. StoneCastle Financial has based the forward-looking statements included in its presentation on information available to us as of December 31, 2017. The company undertakes no duty to update any forward-looking statement made herein. All forward-looking statements speak only as of today, March 1, 2018. Now I will turn the call over to StoneCastle Financial's Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Josh Siegel.

Josh Siegel

Analyst

Thank you, Rachel. Good afternoon, and welcome to StoneCastle Financial's fourth quarter 2017 investor call. In addition to Rachel, joining me today is George Shilowitz, President; and Pat Farrell, our Chief Financial Officer. I’d like to start the call today with a review of StoneCastle Financial's quarterly results, as well as comment on the company's investment opportunities in the current market. I will conclude with remarks on the macro environment including new developments and pending legislation;. Then I will turn the call over to Pat who will provide you with greater detail on our financial results before I open up the call for questions. StoneCastle's total earnings for the quarter were approximately $3 million or $0.47 per share. Net investment income for the quarter was nearly $2.7 million or $0.41 per share. For the quarter, the company had net realized capital gains of 375,000 or $0.06 per share. The company's net asset value per share was $21.56 as of December 31 unchanged from the third quarter. Total assets were approximately $170 million and the value of the invested portfolio was $167 million. The estimated annualized portfolio yield was 9.05% which was the fifth consecutive quarter of an estimated annualized yield over 9%. During the quarter, the company invested $13 million in three investments and had one full call and two partial calls totaling approximately $23 million. However, subsequent to the quarter end the company made five additional investments totaling $36.1 million. Included in that number, the company invested $17.6 million in a preferred equity interest of a new pooled vehicle whereby the company contributed $43.4 million in securities to-date. The full schedule of investments can be found in the company's SEC filings and on the company's website. At December 31, StoneCastle's had a dividend yield of 7.6% which continues to…

Pat Farrell

Analyst

Thank you, Josh. As I do each quarter I will present the financials by going through the detailed components to help you understand the value of the company. Our net asset value at December 31, was $21.56 unchanged from last quarter. The NAV is comprised of four components; net investment income, realized capital gains and losses, the change in value over the portfolios investments, and finally distributions paid during the period. Let me walk through these components. Net investment income for the quarter was $2.7 million or $0.41 per share. Net investment income reflects gross income from dividends and interest received from our portfolio investments minus operating expenses. Gross income for the fourth quarter was $4.2 million or $0.65 per share. Now I’d like to review the company's operating expenses which are comprised of advisory fees, interest expense related to our use of leverage, and other expenses. Net operating expenses for the quarter were $1.6 million or $0.24 per share which was down 10% from the prior quarter primarily due to lower management fees and interest expense. I want to point out that the fourth quarter was the first full quarter of savings related to the renegotiated American Bankers Association contract which started September 1, 2017 and will result in savings of approximately $1.05 cents per share annually. The second component affecting the change in NAV for the quarter is realized capital gains and losses. The net realized capital gain for the quarter was approximately 375,000 or $0.06 per share and was almost entirely related to a gain on the partial call of MM caps. The third component changes an unrealized appreciation or depreciation of the portfolio relates to have the value of the entire investment portfolio has changed from the previous quarter end to the current quarter end. For…

Josh Siegel

Analyst

Thank you, Pat. Now operator, we would like to open up the call for questions.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question today comes from the line of Devin Ryan with JMP Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Devin Ryan

Analyst

So first off congratulations on the results and also on executing the pool transaction. I guess first question on that. I know you guys are comfortable for good reason around the risk characteristics and the asset quality of the investments and kind of Kroll transactions. But just trying to think about is there a level of maybe the overall equity base that would be kind of limitation of how much you would be comfortable with on that front. And essentially, I’m just trying to think about how you think about the parameters to do those and especially if you continue grow the equity base over time here what that could look like assuming that the capital is readily available?

Josh Siegel

Analyst

Yes there is always that. So in terms of how we think about the risk and exposure of the portfolio is, I think it’s a percent of the - sort of our net assets probably I don’t want to go much higher. But we do look through because if you look at the first transaction that we invested in and had about 82% debt and about 18% odd percent equity. This one has 60% debt and 40% equity. So the profile is quite derisked on the second one. And all we're really trying to do is find transactions like this that allow us to get just a little bit more yield and be able to go up to larger banks that won't pay our 8% or 9% rate straight. But we can get them at 6s, 7s go for larger banks and be able to originate more and still end up with kind of high 8 flow 9s or may be even over 10 effective yield. And so we found this transaction as a more flexible solution than the first one, as well as derisked, but to your core question we are very cognizant of the different risk profile on this one. Although if you drill through even though this all nonrecourse financing, even on a blended basis right now we’re quite likely levered. So we’re monitoring that on sort of drill through basis if that make sense.

Devin Ryan

Analyst

Maybe a bigger picture question just around the banking industry. Obviously technology and kind of digital if you will is becoming a bigger theme across industries and banking is no exception. And obviously it’s helping drive efficiencies and I think of better customer experience but arguably could be disruptive due to certain models out there. And so, I’m just curious how you guys are assessing the technology capabilities of the banks you provide capital to. Is that something that’s important or does this maybe even add a newer element to how you’re thinking about the investment process. I know it might be kind of a longer term play out for the industry. But I'm curious how that kind of plays in?

Josh Siegel

Analyst

Well, it definitely plays in - it’s a very good question with an answer that normally would last the space of dinner but I’ll try to do it short here. When we think about technology in banking, banking isn’t one business. Every bank is two separate companies attached at the hip. One is a lending operation and then another side of the bank that actually doesn’t talk terribly much the other side is the deposit gathering organization. And so the old ING direct we are basically just gathering deposits we’re not making loans that doesn’t work outside of having a bigger company behind it. And so you always have this double role. So when you say technology, the question is what technology related to what part of the bank. If it’s for the lending side and you're looking at lending club and so far and people like that, I would probably take the under that - those organizations are going to displace banks that are predominantly making non-consumer loans, small business, local commercial real estate, one to four family prime home mortgages. That’s not terribly where that’s happening but okay fine, the flip side the same forward facing apps that the lending clubs and others create in several years ago. Now every small bank is finding quite cheap from more and more providers whom I'm sure were out in force at the ABA conference in Hawaii this week. So banks are now getting better technology to face off to their customers well quicker underwriting, quicker turnarounds et cetera. Then go to the deposits side, I don’t know of any fintechs that are really doing deposits, I think more are trying to find a way to do that and they are doing online savings but those deposits end up back at the banks anyway and if it comes back to the bank to loan out, the banks are somewhat indifferent of how it got there. In fact if they don’t actually have to deal with the customer and just get the deposits one could argue that’s better. So again I'll try keep this to not the dinner discussion, but the short answer on a public call. Yes, we’re very cognizant about this when we're evaluating a bank for investment, technology as part of it. On the other hand if you have a bank that has a way below market costly deposit funding even if they are not super great on technology and because of that huge price advantage they can undercut in lending that works for us to. So technology is part of it but it’s part of a much larger discussion around the industry that I think becomes a more level playing field for small bank versus large. And probably is in terribly a threat in the next few years to out of market disruption to a regulated industry.

Devin Ryan

Analyst

Just one maybe quick modeling one just if I may, I’ll hop back in the queue. So if we operate under the assumption that interest rates are rising let’s say across the curve. And I would assume there should be incremental pick up on the asset yields. And so there will be income pick up there. How should we think about absolutely credit facility is floating any appetite to hedge that out or just how you’re thinking about that because there is kind of you would see some impact on both sides of the balance sheet?

Josh Siegel

Analyst

We would keep in mind there is one thing that probably gets overlooked underneath community funding from 2015 and underneath the thing we just did is tenure fixed-rate debt, it’s entirely fixed-rate. So we’ve locked in the spread on that right, which does comprise a good amount of assets. Yes, we have a floating rate facility and Pat and I and Board talk about each quarter whether we do or don’t want to term some out but to term some out, you've to term it out. And right now we have not a whole lot of leverage of the company. We’re going to grow into that over the coming quarter and quarters and we would like to get to fully deployed at that point we should look whether we term it out but right now we just have such little leverage that actually has very little effect on our free cash flow because it is such a small percentage of our balance sheet right now.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Christopher Testa with National Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Christopher Testa

Analyst · National Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Josh just a touching a little bit on what Devin was bringing about the interest rate sensitivity of StoneCastle. Could you give us an idea of how much of the preferred securities that you guys owned are have a fixed to floating component?

Josh Siegel

Analyst · National Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Most probably the TARP preferreds don’t but the direct preferred that we have done they do have a float component to it above a certain threshold. So they’re kind of fixed to a level and then if floating rate goes above that then they tend to float. So anything that sort of past 10 years we tend to want to have a float component to it if we’re doing it direct. That said because you bring up the interest rates, I would be remiss if I didn’t remind folks that when interest rates go higher banks make more money and so their credit quality improves which one could argue spread should tighten if a credit quality gets better. So, banks are quite the opposite of most corporate and that their credit improves in a higher rate environment for most corporate especially leverage credits can they get worse as rates move up. So there is that counter balance of credit quality related to the rates but of course as we roll new investments we should be able to benefit somewhat from those rising rates because if the 10 year is going higher, the 30 year is going higher than we can even set the fixed rates higher.

Christopher Testa

Analyst · National Securities. Please proceed with your question.

And Josh what’s kind of a trigger for it to go fixed to floating, is it just a set rating going above at certain level or is it few structure 10 year paper after 5, will automatically floats just any color there is appreciated?

Josh Siegel

Analyst · National Securities. Please proceed with your question.

So each deal is different most of our tenure Tier 2 capital is fixed rate, the market convention for larger banks tend to be fixed for five years and floating at LIBOR plus a spread. In our Katahdin transaction which is one of these prefers it has a flow component, it sort of every quarter it’s the greater of, the greater of LIBOR plus spread or the fixed rate they are paying so it's measured each quarter.

Christopher Testa

Analyst · National Securities. Please proceed with your question.

And is that, correct me if I’m wrong but if a bank is basically taking the tenure perhaps that’s very favorable from a Tier 2 perspective and then that benefit is effectively kind of goes away past five years or so is that correct?

Josh Siegel

Analyst · National Securities. Please proceed with your question.

If it’s a 10 non call 5 which is fixed for five and goes float then yes a lot of banks right now if they’re given the choice, they prefer to lock in 10 year fixed if they view is potentially high rates. But that is also then lowering the capital cost of our banks which makes them more competitive when they are making loan. So there is that sort of double play and that okay yes, maybe our borrowing cost which can max out at 0.3 and right now it’s well below that, we’ll have a little bit of that effect but it makes the banks that we’re helping to provide capital to more competitive if they’re locking in 10 year capital at a fixed rate. So we kind of like the benefits on both sides. If we have a bank that we do a fixed to float then yes they could call it out after five years but then the spreads would have tighten otherwise they’re indifferent anyway and then they right the capital goes up. So yes, its fixed 6.5 dozen on the other, I would rather earn a little less and have a better quality bank than earn a tiny bit more and have a slightly worse risk profile, but that’s just us.

Christopher Testa

Analyst · National Securities. Please proceed with your question.

And looking at obviously the CECL side just when we see kind of equity to assets at banks so far 11% it seems they have been equity heavy for quite some time here. Are you expecting increased debt demand relative to equity just for that reason I mean CECL side?

Josh Siegel

Analyst · National Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Yes, if you look at average bank ROE right now, is a little over 9% give or take based on the most recent FDIC report. And so if you raise, let’s say it was even our average rate which is around 9, which should be a little high on where the market is at this minute. After tax that’s like 5.5% maybe 6% right. So you could basically pay 9 and suffer dilution and will be giving away the future book value and change on price to book or you can do a non-dilutive after 6-ish percent 5.5% after tax that’s kind of no-brainer. As CECL comes into play within the next couple of years Tier 1 capital actually you start losing capital above a certain threshold I won’t go into details because its lot of fun accounting math from FASB but generally over 1.25% reserve for loan losses you start deducting the excess from capital. I didn’t write the rules we’re just living by them in some of the banks. And so one thing that doesn’t get deducted is Tier 2 capital. So you can raise more Tier 2 capital to solve this excess reserve that the accounting is going to make these banks have. So why would raise common equity dilutive when you can actually use I think it’s exempted from the rule. So I think we’re going to see more Tier 2 need there. We’re also depending on how overequitized banks are because they haven’t been taking losses. They've had good earnings which means their Tier 1 capital ratio as you just noted are getting higher and higher eventually they are over capitalized and they want to buy back some shares. While you wouldn’t issue equity to go buy equity you’ll issue some tax deductible Tier 2 to buy back some Tier 1 that you don’t need.

Christopher Testa

Analyst · National Securities. Please proceed with your question.

And just kind of a more of a housekeeping item aside from the reversal prior to depreciation on the 375,000 gain, what else drove the unrealized depreciation during the quarter?

Pat Farrell

Analyst · National Securities. Please proceed with your question.

The big one this quarter was the MM caps position so a few things on that one. On that alone the change in unrealized for that was 775,000 and basically roughly half of that had to do with a gain that we realized for the quarter. So that gain came out of unrealized and then the other piece of that was that position was markdown from September to December. And that just reflected the fact that for that position that was called at par one of the securities in there, one of the underlying banks paid off in full. So as a result there was a decrease in asset coverage and interest coverage there.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] We’re moving on to our next question is from Bryce Rowe with Robert W. Baird.

Bryce Rowe

Analyst

Josh just curious in regard to the people I assume you kind of taken that message to the banks that you talk with the bank boards and bank management teams that you talk with. Is it resonating at this point and our folks kind of trying to be early adopters and taking down some sub debt to supplement the Tier 2 capital level?

Josh Siegel

Analyst

Not yet. So there was article written on S&L and there was a bit of webinar that people can go look at publicly I think they made it available to listen to around the topic the American Bankers Association added back to their CECL repository and then folded that up to their banks and it was a write-up that isn’t public but ABA sent it all of their banks saying that you know look we looked at the paper that StoneCastle and bank revenues let erode and while there is some over simplification you have to if you are talking about the whole industry, they said we actually had a bank come in with their own specific case and the numbers were remarkably similar, I'm sort of just sighting what they had said which isn't confidential but I don’t know if easily to see publicly. So it was serious enough and scary enough in terms of the change of what bank will report as its capital ratio. Remember this, it doesn’t have anything to do real losses, it just accounting changes that I don’t disagree with which is we had a crisis, banks generally were under reserved going into the crisis, and even though things are hunky-dory right, there will be another hiccup in the market, there always is just a question of when. And so the accounting standards globally - truly globally IASB and FASB want banks to reserve more and that more with the air quotes is for the life of a loan not just a short-term reserve. And so, that is going to compel banks to have raise capital just to maintain their capital ratios. But I would say it’s not accurate to say that we scared them out of woods, and they running to market. No, but look we’ve been an inventor in an early visionary in the bank credit space for decades, personally here at StoneCastle for 15 years long before StoneCastle Financial went public. And so we were very involved with the Fed reserve in developing the community bank stress testing models based upon the way we looked at credit before those were invented. And so, I think we're early on this, because the focus in the industry around CECL right now is how do I quantify it, like how do I calculate it not what are the implications and we want to be early in starting to get banks to be aware of. Look, you don't have to have a super sharp scalpel, a butter knife would work. Just start taking a general view of what would happen if you had reserve for the life of loans based on certain assumptions even if they're rough and if they are enough to scare you, you need to be on this now. And the ABA's accounting policy folks agreed and said, thanks to be thinking about this. So it's early but we wanted to be early.

Bryce Rowe

Analyst

Well that’s good color, good commentary. Maybe one follow-up question, you noted the activity subsequent to year-end here in the first quarter of 2018. Just curious if you've seen any repayment activity thus far in the first quarter to go along with the origination activity? Thanks.

Josh Siegel

Analyst

Normally we would sort of release that with the Q1 numbers but I would just say generally there is nothing out of line with our historical trends, that's probably about as much as we should say right now.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. At this time, I'll turn the floor back to management for closing remarks.

Josh Siegel

Analyst

Thank you, Operator. To our colleagues and shareholders we thank you for listening and we look forward to a prosperous and successful 2018 and we’ll talk to you soon.