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Concrete Pumping Holdings, Inc. (BBCP)

Q4 2023 Earnings Call· Thu, Jan 11, 2024

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Operator

Operator

Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for participating in today's conference call to discuss Concrete Pumping Holdings Financial Results for the Fourth Quarter and Fiscal Year ended October 31, 2023. Joining us today are Concrete Pumping Holdings CEO, Bruce Young; CFO, Iain Humphries; and the company's External Director of Investor Relations Cody Slach. Before we go further, I would like to turn the call over to Mr. Slach to read the company's Safe Harbor Statement within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 that provides important cautions regarding forward-looking statements. Cody, please go ahead.

Cody Slach

Management

Thanks, Camilla. I would like to remind everyone that in the course of this call to give you a better understanding of our operations, we will be making certain forward-looking statements regarding our business and outlook. These statements are subject to numerous risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from such statements. For information concerning these risks and uncertainties, see Concrete Pumping Holdings annual report on Form 10-K, quarterly report on Form 10-Q, and other publicly available filings with the SEC. The company disclaims any intention or obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events, or otherwise. On today's call, we will also reference certain non-GAAP financial measures, including adjusted EBITDA, net debt, and free cash flow, which we believe provide useful information for investors. We provide further information about these non-GAAP financial measures and reconciliations to the comparable GAAP measures in our press release issued today or the investor presentation posted on the company's website. I'd like to remind everyone that this call will be available for replay later this evening. Webcast replay will also be available via the link provided in today's press release, as well as on the company's website. Additionally, we have posted an updated investor presentation to the company's site. Now I'd like to turn the call over to the CEO of Concrete Pumping Holdings, Bruce Young. Bruce?

Bruce Young

Management

Thank you, Cody, and good afternoon, everyone. We had another strong year in fiscal 2023, driven by the strength and diversification of our business. As a result, we were able to drive financial performance records for annual revenue, adjusted EBITDA, and net income. Looking at our full fiscal year of 2023, revenue increased 10% to $442 million, adjusted EBITDA increased 7% to $125 million, and net income increased 12% to $30 million. Each of our end markets contributes to this performance, particularly as residential construction remains strong and our expanded footprint enabled us to continue to win infrastructure projects. We also continue to execute on our debt reduction initiative, achieving our 3 times leverage ratio target at the end of the 2023 fiscal year. Shifting to our fourth quarter performance by end market, our business performed in line with expectations. In the infrastructure end market, our expanded US national footprint continued to drive strong results as we captured more revenue from public project investments. We continue to see more investment flowing to numerous projects where we operate and we plan to aggressively pursue these project opportunities with the belief that it has the potential to be a five-year plus tailwind for our business. During the fourth quarter, our residential end market remained stable due to the continued momentum in new residential housing construction, given not only the ongoing structural supply, demand imbalance in housing, but the fact that home builders have enticed a new home buyer with creative home design and financing options. With interest rates falling subsequent to quarter end and the projection of additional interest rate cuts in 2024, we expect residential housing projects to remain healthy for our business. In the commercial end market, we continue to experience momentum in larger commercial projects like distribution centers, warehouses,…

Iain Humphries

Management

Thanks, Bruce, and good afternoon, everybody. In the fourth quarter, revenue increased 5% to $120.2 million compared to $114.9 million in the same year ago quarter. The increase was mainly attributable to growth across each of our segments, as a result of organic growth from higher volumes in certain regions and improved pricing. Revenue in our US concrete pumping segment, mostly operating under the Brundage-Bone brand, increased 1% to $85 million compared to $84.3 million in the prior year quarter. For our UK operations, operating largely under the Camfaud brand, revenue improved 17% to $17.4 million compared to $14.9 million in the same year-ago quarter. When excluding the foreign exchange translation effects from the British pound, revenue for our UK operations increased approximately 10% in the fourth quarter, due primarily to pricing improvements. Revenue in our U.S. Concrete Waste Management Services segment operating under the Eco-Pan brand increased 15% to $18 million compared to $15.6 million in the prior year quarter. The strong organic increase in revenue was driven by increases in volume and sustained improvement in pricing. Returning to our consolidated results, gross margin in the fourth quarter was 40.7% compared to 42.3% in the same year-ago quarter, with the decreased margin mostly being related to the impact of labor inflation. General and administrative expenses in the fourth quarter were roughly flat at $29.6 million compared to $30.3 million in the same year ago quarter. As a percentage of revenue, G&A costs improved in the fourth quarter to 24.6% compared to 26.4% in the same year ago quarter. For the full year of 2023, when excluding the non-cash G&A expenses for amortization and stock-based compensation, G&A costs as a percentage of revenue were approximately 21%, which is consistent with the prior year. Net income available to common shareholders in…

Bruce Young

Management

Thanks, Iain. In summary, we are incredibly pleased with a record year of revenue and EBITDA accompanied by expansion in every segment. We anticipate ongoing growth in our residential and infrastructure end markets, particularly driven by infrastructure projects and a resilient backlog of residential work. On the cost side of the equation, we are focused on attracting and retaining the best talent in the industry, while reducing the impact from inflationary cost pressures through rate increases. As always, our focus remains on optimizing end market mix to continue to deliver strong top and bottom line growth. Looking ahead, we believe our end market diversity and mission critical service in the construction industry positions us well for continued growth. We expect to complement organic growth by continuing to evaluate opportunistic creative M&A, while strategically reducing our leverage. With that, I would now like to turn the call back over to the operator for Q&A. Camilla?

Operator

Operator

Thank you, sir. We will now be conducting a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Thank you. And our first question will come from the line of Brent Thielman with D.A. Davidson. Please proceed with your question.

Brent Thielman

Analyst

Hey, great. Thanks. Good afternoon. I guess, Bruce or Iain, first question is just the labor inflation. It still looks like it's presenting some compression in the margin on U.S. pumping. Is the proportion of lower margin revenue in that segment, I guess, still shrinking as new business sort of better reflects today's labor cost environment or we still sort of two or three quarters away from seeing some sort of an inflection in margins in that business group. Just be helpful to get your thoughts there.

Iain Humphries

Management

Yes, Brian, good question. Yes, I mean, in short, it is shrinking. So a couple of points on that. And this is obviously part of -- we mentioned cost initiatives in our prepared remarks. So the labor portion of that is certainly a big feature. I mean, as Bruce mentioned, about half of the inflation we've seen this year has been around labor, so it's certainly one of our key focuses. So the margin impact is certainly shrinking, but still some work to do, and those are a big part of the cost initiatives going forward.

Bruce Young

Management

Hi, Brent. I think what I would add to that is, it is shrinking now and it will continue to get better as we -- as the year plays out.

Brent Thielman

Analyst

Okay, that's great. I mean the outlook for revenue for 2024, I mean, does call for reasonably healthy growth. I mean, just in light of kind of the moving pieces of the market. And I guess, also the fact that you did see some moderation in US pumping growth this quarter, maybe relative to what you've seen in terms of growth rates there. So I guess, Bruce, can you just sort of bridge what you anticipate for this new fiscal year, the confidence that you see some re-acceleration in growth in U.S. pumping?

Bruce Young

Management

Yes, and as you know, because we operate under so many different geographies, that it'll be different in different markets. But what we're seeing is and what we're working very hard on is getting rates up in markets where we can and maybe it's different end markets, different customers, different sizes of equipment, things that we've been able to analyze that we need to do a little bit better on. We think we'll drive that. And we also see some opportunities and some fairly large projects that we're on to now that will be impactful to our revenues growing over the next year. But it's always the same. It's just holding our share, gaining share, kind of winning the battles in the trenches.

Brent Thielman

Analyst

And Bruce, so those large project is ones that you've effectively been awarded or you've got a high level of confidence you're going to be attached to those?

Bruce Young

Management

Yes, some that we're currently on, some that we expect to be awarded to us, and others that we'll be bidding shortly.

Brent Thielman

Analyst

Okay. And just my last question. I mean, nice work getting into the 3 times this year. I guess any further thoughts on where you want to be in 2024 with the balance sheet leverage?

Iain Humphries

Management

Yes. I mean, obviously, the starting point, as you know, Brent, for us is the free cash flow number. And so again, we're coming out with what we think is quite a strong indication of free cash flow. But consistent with the things, we're always looking for the best opportunity to create the most shareholder value. So we'll continue to allocate from a capital allocation perspective that free cash flow into the growth of the business in the areas that have the most value. A lot of it, obviously, in Eco-Pan is organic, but we also have the inorganic M&A opportunities if the values are right. So there's a number of options, we think, from that free cash flow number to keep on doing the things that we have been doing.

Brent Thielman

Analyst

Got it. Okay. I'll pass it on. Thank you.

Bruce Young

Management

Thanks, Brent.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question will come from the line of Andy Whitman with Baird. Please proceed with your question.

Andy Wittmann

Analyst

Great and good afternoon, guys. Thank you for taking my questions. I guess, I just wanted to start with a question on the revenue outlook here for 2024. I guess, the implied growth right there is about 5% to almost 11%. I just wanted to kind of understand what's in the low and the high end of the range. Is it fair to think of the low end being basically all price and flatish volumes and then volumes positive to get to the high end? Iain, is that one way of thinking about it? Is that the correct way of thinking about it? How are you thinking about it?

Iain Humphries

Management

Yes, I think that's fair, Andy. I think you're right on. I mean, obviously, we're doing continued rate recalibration, as we mentioned. But you're right. On the low end, there is an assumption of flatter volume. And as we get to that midpoint, I mean, as you know, the split between volume and pricing can be somewhat equal. So if we talk just around the midpoint, it's let's say 3% or 5% on the volume, 3% or 5% on the price. And obviously that'll flex based on the volume piece. So I think you're thinking about it right.

Andy Wittmann

Analyst

Okay, that makes sense. So then I guess just on the implicit EBITDA margins in the 2024 guidance, I wanted to dig in that. I mean they're basically implied down a couple hundred basis points and heard the commentary on labor, heard you guys say that you're expecting that challenge to continue here into 2024. But I'm just wondering, is there more to it that we should be thinking about? Is there -- is the competition competing differently as the growth opportunities broadly speaking are maybe not as robust? And is that a factor that goes into the margins or maybe Bruce, what are the other considerations we should be thinking about that's implicit in that margin rate for 2024?

Bruce Young

Management

Yes, I think the biggest thing is the competitive environment that we're in. We talked about this on our last call where there's not a lot of discipline. We're competing against family offices for the most part that don't have the confidence in themselves to get rates up ahead of inflation. And so -- and we know, and because we've always had to do this as the largest players, kind of drive that and get out in front of that. And so we're finding creative ways to get out in front of that. But there is some concern about how that will play out through the year.

Andy Wittmann

Analyst

Got it. Okay, That's helpful perspective. And then I guess maybe my last question here is just on the commercial side, just wondering if you wanted to give some commentary about what you're seeing there. Obviously this has been the toughest spot. That's not new, but are there green shoots to be seen here or are you seeing delays at all on some of the projects that you are kind of eyeing down or even cancellations? Certainly to the peak rates in the case that you made in your prepared remarks seems like it's directionally positive. I'm just wondering what you're seeing on the ground in terms of the movement of these commercial, including the light commercial jobs through the bid to build process.

Bruce Young

Management

Yes, so things haven't changed a lot. From the last quarter, the larger projects are going. There's still some concern about the light commercial. That activity, we don't see -- it doesn't create a backlog like what we get on the larger projects where we know about them, six, eight months, a year in advance. The lighter commercial ones, sometimes it's just two or three months. So we don't have as much visibility, but we do believe as interest rates lighten up and demand becomes greater that we'll see that increase.

Andy Wittmann

Analyst

Okay. Thank you for the context. I appreciate it. Have a good evening.

Bruce Young

Management

Thanks, Andy.

Iain Humphries

Management

Thanks, Andy.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Luke McFadden with William Blair. Please proceed with your question.

Luke McFadden

Analyst · William Blair. Please proceed with your question.

Hey, Bruce and Iain. Thanks so much for taking our questions tonight. Maybe just one here. I know you kind of mentioned just in terms of -- on the commercial side, the ABI index, it's kind of been in negative territory for a while now. I think the hope is that we start to see that improve somewhat as we move through 2024. But just curious kind of how you guys think about your non-residential construction business and I think the hope is that it improves but maybe if that's from your perspective more front-end weighted versus back-end weighted, just any takes there would be helpful. Thanks so much.

Bruce Young

Management

Yes, thanks, Luke. I think the ABI is where our concern with light commercial is at, where it was doing quite well until a few months ago, or at least even, and now it's gone back. We do have some concerns that that will affect light commercial. The larger projects, they seem to be going, but we expect that that will improve over the next few months and then we'll see light commercial pick up in the second half of the year.

Andy Wittmann

Analyst · William Blair. Please proceed with your question.

Great. And Just one more on our end here. Residential was again, a bright spot in the quarter. In November, we saw new single-family homes jump up again. Can you discuss any of the nuances around what you saw in the residential market during the fourth quarter and in particular, any geographies that were particularly strong. I know the mountain region was strong for you last quarter, but anything specific there?

Bruce Young

Management

Yes, it's the same story. The home builders have done a really good job of making homes affordable and the supply demand has been in our favor for that. And we see that picking up into this year. And we expect residential could be even much better as the year plays out as interest rates come back down.

Andy Wittmann

Analyst · William Blair. Please proceed with your question.

Great, thanks so much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Stanley Elliott with Stifel. Please proceed with your question.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · Stifel. Please proceed with your question.

Hey guys, this is Andrew on for Stanley. Thank you for taking my question. I was wondering if you could talk about M&A a little bit more. It seems like the appetite is certainly there, given the balance sheet. But what is the landscape looking like as we enter the new year, and where are the opportunities?

Bruce Young

Management

Yes, so we're very interested in doing good M&A deals. And the challenge that we've seen with inflation, many of the small competitors haven't done a very good job of getting their rates up with inflation. So their cash flow margins are down substantially. And the value of their assets are either holding strong or going up in value with the increased cost of new assets. And so, it's been difficult for us to buy them at the right values. We think that will start shifting during the year, but we always have an appetite for that. We've created a balance sheet that puts us in a good position for that, and we'll just be thoughtful about doing the right deals.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · Stifel. Please proceed with your question.

And then related to the UK pumping segment, how are you thinking about growth this year? And do you have any concerns about the delays or cancellations in the high-speed rail project over there?

Bruce Young

Management

Not at this time. We feel really good about our workload for the UK going into 2024. The HS2 project that we're currently on or the portions that we're on, they're locked in. And so, we expect that to continue strong throughout this year. And we're finding a lot of other infrastructure dollars that are being spent in the UK as well on other types of projects that are helping that growth. Now the commercial markets in the UK are a little flattish, very similar to the US, but the growth potential on the infrastructure work is really the great opportunity we have in the UK for 2024.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · Stifel. Please proceed with your question.

Thank you.

Bruce Young

Management

Thanks, Andrew.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our next question will come from the line of Steven Fisher with UBS. Please proceed with your question.

Steven Fisher

Analyst

Thanks, good afternoon. I apologize, I missed the first part of the call, so not sure if you covered this or not, but in terms of the drivers of the commercial softness, it sounds like how much of that is financing availability, and perhaps actual level creating a challenge versus any other factors? I think last quarter you had said it was a little bit more challenging for some of like smaller warehouses and things to get financing. So how much is that still a factor? Has that intensified? Is it weakened? Maybe talk about that a little bit, please.

Iain Humphries

Management

Yes, it seems like it stayed fairly close to the same quarter-over-quarter for us. We watched that fairly closely. We do anticipate as rates come down that should get easier for those projects to get funded. And we expect to see some positive impact from that in the second half of the year.

Steven Fisher

Analyst

Okay. And then I guess just in terms of seasonality in the near term, obviously, we're in a well through your first quarter. So anything to call out about what's been happening over the last couple of months? Curious how these rate increases that you're trying to put through, how those have been received, and just anything for modeling purposes we should be aware of in terms of near-term seasonality?

Bruce Young

Management

Yes, Steve, good question. I mean typically the seasonality is going to be quite consistent as we go through Q1 through Q4. What we expect actually is maybe a slightly stronger second half than the first half. With the expected change in rates, we'll see some of those light commercial projects come online. So where we're usually as you know sort of 45-55, we think it might be 54-56 with a stronger back half the year just with that impact.

Steven Fisher

Analyst

Okay. And how have the rate increases been accepted by the marketplace?

Iain Humphries

Management

Yes. As you know, rate increases are always challenging, especially in a market that we're dealing in today. We're having good success. We do believe we provide a great service. We're a great teammate to our customers and it's really on us and our sales team to go out and prove out that value.

Steven Fisher

Analyst

Okay. Thank you very much.

Bruce Young

Management

Thanks, Steve.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. At this time, this concludes our question-and-answer session. I would now like to turn the call back over to Mr. Young for closing remarks.

Bruce Young

Management

Thank you, Camilla. We'd like to thank everyone for listening to today's call, and we look forward to speaking with you when we report our first quarter fiscal 2024 results in March. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today's teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.