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Q1 2020 Earnings Call· Thu, May 7, 2020

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Operator

Operator

Thank you for joining us for the BioTelemetry First Quarter 2020 Earnings Conference Call. Certain statements during the conference call and question-and-answer period to follow may relate to future events and expectations and as such constitute forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities and Litigation Act of 1995.Such statements involve known and unknown risks, uncertainties and other factors which may cause the actual results, performance or achievements of the company in the future to be materially different from the statements that the company’s executives may make today. These risks are described in detail in our public filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including our latest periodic report on Form 10-K or 10-Q. We assume no duty to update these statements.During this call, we will present both GAAP and non-GAAP financial measures. A reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP measures is included in today’s earnings press release, which is distributed and available to the public through the Investor Information section of the BioTelemetry website at gobio.com.At this time all participants have been placed on a listen-only mode. This will be opened for question and comments following the presentation.It is now my pleasure to turn the floor over to your host, Mr. Joseph Capper, President and CEO of BioTelemetry. Sir, you may begin.

Joseph Capper

Management

Thank you, operator and good afternoon, everyone. I’m Joe Capper, President and CEO of BioTelemetry. With me for today’s call is Heather Getz, our Chief Financial Officer. Well, the world certainly has changed quite a bit since our last call just a few months ago.First, let me say that I hope and pray that you and your families are staying safe and healthy. I usually wait until the close of these calls to thank the BioTelemetry family for the outstanding support they provide to our many patients, doctors, pharmaceutical and commercial partners that depend on our services.Since there is nothing else, I will say on this call that is, that will be nearly as important, I need to say it now. Team BioTelemetry, you are amazing. It is in times of great duress that the real character of an individual comes out. And because of the way you reacted to the challenges of COVID-19, I can say without a doubt that our company is filled with people of extraordinary character.That intangible quality certainly helps explain how we have become the best in the business. It is truly impressive how quickly you adapt to the challenges of the day. I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart. The pride you take in the important work you do does not go unnoticed. I have never been prouder to lead our exceptional company.In an effort to be responsive to what’s top of mind for the investment community, we will start with comments about our first quarter performance, because it’s important that you understand just how great the company was performing prior to the outbreak. We will then share details that will hopefully help answer the question investors and analysts are trying to figure out these days. What is the near…

Heather Getz

Management

Thank you, Joe and good afternoon, everyone. As Joe just announced, we started 2020 with our 31st consecutive quarter of year-over-year revenue growth, and our highest quarterly revenue in the company’s history.Total revenue grew 9%, reaching $113 million and within our guidance range, even with a significant drop in March volumes due to COVID-19. This growth resulted from revenue increases in all of our business lines. Healthcare revenue increased $7.7 million or 9% to $95.7 million, driven by patient volume growth of over 75% in Extended Holter service lines, as well as the addition of Geneva’s revenue from the monitoring of implantable cardiac devices.Our Research revenue increased 7% to $13.8 million, benefiting from new studies utilizing our ePatch extended-wear Holter device and the acceleration of certain imaging studies. Lastly, our other revenue increased 17% to $3.5 million, resulting from partnerships in our digital Population Health business.Moving to gross profit. Our margin for the first quarter was 62.4% versus 62.3% in the prior year period. While we saw a higher margin in our Research segment due to efficiencies created by automation put in place later in 2019. That benefit was offset by decreases in our healthcare segment, largely due to inefficiencies caused by the drop off in volume later in March.Our first quarter adjusted EBITDA was $29.5 million, an increase of $600,000 representing a 26.1% return on revenue. The increase in our adjusted EBITDA dollars was primarily due to the increased revenue partially offset by the impact of investments we are making in technology and our sales organization.Our EBITDA margin percentage decreased slightly compared to the prior year period due to the increased investments, as well as the impact of the acquisition of Geneva, which is at an early growth stage and is, as a result, currently carries a lower EBITDA…

Joseph Capper

Operator

Thanks, Heather. As you have just heard, we had an excellent quarter, especially in light of the challenges posed by the coronavirus outbreak. We started 2020 strong out of the gate, poised to shatter expectations. When the crisis hit, we made adjustments necessary to scale back our operating cost structure without dramatically changing our capabilities.As mentioned earlier, these modifications coupled with our excellent financial position allow us to remain EBITDA positive even if the reopening is slower than expected. Under a far more likely scenario, April will be our most challenging month with growth in May and June, and then into the second half of the year.Naturally, our focus is to guide the company through this crisis as effectively as possible. However, because we did not need to make major alterations to our business structure, we are well positioned for a medical downturn and ready to meet a spike in demand in the event of a rapid recovery. We’re also in position to leverage our excellent financial condition in order to advance business development opportunities geared towards accelerating our strategic plan.Before I close, I would again like to sincerely thank those of you who helped deliver our 31st consecutive growth quarter. And on behalf of the entire BioTelemetry team, we want to extend our deepest gratitude to the many healthcare providers around the country who are on the frontlines battling the coronavirus each day and to all of the other critical workers putting themselves at risk to perform their jobs. Thank you all.With that, we’ll now pause and open the call to your questions. Operator, we are ready for our first question.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our first question will come from the line of Brooks O’Neil from Lake Street Capital Markets. You may begin. Brooks O’Neil: Thank you. Good afternoon. Congratulations on your rapid pivot here. That sounds great, guys.

Joseph Capper

Operator

Thanks, Brooks. Brooks your comment really broken up. I’m not sure if it’s the line rolling or it’s your phone? Brooks O’Neil: It’s probably just me, Joe you know I’m getting little low. But anyway, can you hear me better now?

Joseph Capper

Operator

A little better, yeah. Brooks O’Neil: All right. So you provide an interesting scenario for [technical difficulty] could Heather just give us a sense for what the gross margins might look like under the scenario you kind of laid out?

Heather Getz

Management

So I think what I heard you say, Brooks was you were asking for on gross margin in the scenario that Joe –

Joseph Capper

Operator

Worst case scenario with gross margin. I don’t know – Brooks O’Neil: Correct.

Heather Getz

Management

Yeah. Yeah so what I will tell you is that, we would expect due to you know, we have a certain amount of fixed expenses. While we did adjust our operating structure in Q2, you are going to see a decline in our gross margin. I can’t give you an exact perspective of that, because I don’t know what the volume is going to be. Brooks O’Neil: Sure, I get that. Okay, that’s helpful. So one question I had is, Joe, again talked a little bit about population health as you, I hope remember, I’m very excited about the opportunity there. How scalable do you believe your population health platform is today? And what would it take to see that really take off in the current environment?

Joseph Capper

Operator

It’s a relatively small business for us today, Brooks. And I think I spoke a little bit about this on the past – in the past calls. We’re excited about it, because of the size of the market and because of some of the inherent capabilities we have in the business, which we believe are leverageable into that market.We do however, admit that it would take a pretty significant investment to sort of ramp it up and catch up with maybe some other folks that you’re familiar with. And we don’t feel like we are in a position to do that. We’re talking about a really significant investment, which would require us to lower our operating margins quite a bit.So our approach has been, look to leverage other relationships we have as an organization to kind of flank and find other ways into the market without such a huge investment. So, you know, not the way you’d love to do it. But it’s certainly going to be more of an incremental approach.I’d love to rip the band aid off and spend a lot of money and go after the market, but I just don’t think our investor base would, I don’t think our investor base is actually looking for that from us. We have a [technical difficulty] is very profitable, it grows we have a leadership position in it. We know that we have double-digit growth in front of us in that core business. So we think we can take advantage of that, and to build out this other business that we’re talking about. Brooks O’Neil: Yeah. So you talked a little bit in your prepared remarks about the explosive growth of telemedicine, which we see and hear about pretty much everywhere, which is great. But we also continue to be very, very excited about the potential of remote patient monitoring.When I think about your Cardiac Monitoring business, it’s a little bit more short-term than some of the other sort of chronic monitoring needs we see in the marketplace. How do you think about the opportunity for BioTelemetry to go after some of those, you know, more chronic patient monitoring needs in the market?

Joseph Capper

Operator

It’s a good question. Remote cardiac monitoring, our traditional core business is more acute. It’s transactional. And you’re right, the bigger dollars in the healthcare $0.80 on every $1 is being spent in chronic market. And now you’re starting to see remote monitoring applications applied in those markets.And so, again, we think we have a – the good news, we have a channel, right, we have a sales channel, we have a distribution channel into the healthcare market that’s established, that we can leverage. And that’s some of the areas that we’re working on.And the other important thing is cardiac disease is comorbid, with a lot of these other chronics that we’re talking about. So it does open up opportunities, congestive heart failure, it’s the same channel that you would sell into. So you’re right, that the bigger dollars longer-term will be in those chronic markets. And that’s really what we’re attempting to do.Our strategy is all about leveraging what we’ve built and, you know, again, we’re one of the few companies out there that had demonstrated a Remote Patient Monitoring business that can be both scalable and profitable. So we think we’ve got some good core competencies there to leverage in some of these other sectors. Brooks O’Neil: That’s perfect. Thank you very much. And keep it up I know it’s going to be challenging. I think you guys are up to it.

Joseph Capper

Operator

Thanks.

Operator

Operator

And our next question will come from the line of Kaila Krum from SunTrust. You may begin.

David Rescott

Analyst

Hey, this is David Rescott on for Kaila. Can you guys hear me all right?

Heather Getz

Management

You’re fine, David.

David Rescott

Analyst

Hey, sorry I had some technical difficulties at the beginning of the call. So I apologize if I’m about to ask those kind of repetitive what you’ve gone over. But first, I want to start on the top line of revenue kind of came in at the lower end of guidance that you issued at the end of February, which was great, obviously given you know, the effects of COVID so far.And you know at that time, even about two full months of revenue under the belt. So I was wondering if you could you know, provide some commentary first around the trends in the first two months of the year that led to the 13% growth I think you mentioned.And second to that, you know, around the dynamics that play out specifically within March that enabled you to hit that low end of guidance versus what potentially could have been or could have brought you up toward the upper end again, in the pre-COVID world. And then – and so far, how that’s playing out in April?And then maybe specifically, you know, around MCOT, you know, any color around how revenue is traditionally recognized and, you know, given a 30-day device, whether or not you know, some of the revenue that you recognize at the end of March could have been patients who initially had visited a clinic or had gone to a hospital to visit a cardiologist at the beginning of March and February? And then really what those implications would be then for how trends play out in Q2?

Joseph Capper

Operator

So, let me try to get to most of that, if I leave anything out, feel free to jump back you know, ask me. But so January and February were really strong. And what we saw even through the first two weeks of March, so call it, two and a half – almost two and a half months into the quarter before we saw the drop off was that we were trending well above expectations.We would have finished the quarter somewhere around $117 million to $118 million in revs. So we lost about $4 million or $5 million in that last two and a half weeks, which makes sense. So we were trend – if you break it down by week, we lost, you know, probably 20% to 30% of the last two and a half weeks something along those lines.So, again, the business was extremely healthy. It was coming from MCOT, nearly double-digits, it was coming from extended-wear Holter, high double-digits close to triple-digits, and it was coming from the Geneva platform. And then Research performed better than we had expected.Remember from the last call, we talked about Research being in flat to maybe even down as we cycled through the backlog, they performed well and we saw a little bit of uptick in a Pop Health business. So everything was kind of you know, firing on all cylinders I mean look like a great start to a great year, and then obviously that happened, right.So as we come into April, the business in the first two weeks of April, all of our Cardiac Monitoring business dropped the layoff, so first two weeks of April, it stayed pretty low and then we started to see a little bit of an uptick in the third week, fourth week of April. So we started to see a build back up.If you just take the April average, and apply that to on a per day average, you apply that business to May and June, that was that worst case scenario that I kind of talked about. Realistically, we anticipate the business continuing to build back up. If you break down within remote cardiac monitoring, the four modalities that we offer are MCOT, then Holter, an extended-wear Holter.The MCOT has experienced the least decline and that’s probably because it is the only real connected solution available, and as patients need to be monitored and evaluated outside the four walls of a hospital, it becomes more important that they are connected, right. And I think that that’s an interesting data point, because that’s the future, right. The future is patients are going to be connected.So, again, we saw a drop off on all four modalities, the least amount of drop off, and the fastest recovery has been with MCOT. I think that was most of your question. Was there anything else I left out, David?

David Rescott

Analyst

Just around kind of, well you know specifically for MCOT when and how you guys you know, recognize revenue for MCOT. So just thinking about, you know, when patients who potentially have been or who came into the clinic or came into the hospital and were, you know, prescribed a MCOT patch, if that, you know, kind of plays out or you recognize that revenue of, you know, 30 days after that, you know, so therefore, anything that kind of came in toward the end of the month of February or March could have you know, potentially been from, you know, a patient that was previously seen in the hospital you know, at the end of February?

Heather Getz

Management

Yeah. So it’s not any different than any other quarter and the fact that our volumes started to drop off at the end of March. So the numbers that Joe’s talking about our actual patient starts coming in the door. It’s – and the rebound that we’ve seen has happened in concert.So from a revenue perspective, there is revenue that gets deferred into the next quarter or the next period, if a patient comes on service, and is still on service at the end of the month. But I don’t think that you can read anything special into our numbers in the quarter given what’s occurred.

David Rescott

Analyst

Okay, great. Yeah that’s really helpful. And so, I know you mentioned and you touched on a little bit around kind of how MCOTs for COVID patients, you know, have been used more, you know, given the increased risk of the QT prolongation. So I was wondering you know, you guys mentioned that there was kind of a stronger growth there or less off of a decline in the MCOT business specifically.So I was wondering if you could either tease out or kind of quantify, you know what type of benefit or net benefit maybe you saw from increased usage on actual COVID patients versus what was kind of the overall downtrend in MCOT prescriptions in general just due to the overall drop in physician visits?

Joseph Capper

Operator

Yeah, the use of MCOT in the COVID-19 monitoring program that we talked about is relatively small, and it’s in certain regions of the country that had a high concentration of COVID-19 patients. And the intent there was to be able to dose hydroxychloroquine, monitor the patient for potential for QT prolongation, and not have them lying in a hospital bed. So there is not a lot of volume. A really good program really critical for those places that needed it, but doesn’t really move the needle one way or the other.

David Rescott

Analyst

Okay, thanks. And then just the last one and maybe you guys have mentioned this, you know, in a row in the call in Geneva, I know you’ve previously guided to hiring reps and bringing on rep this year as part of, you know, growing that business. And I just wondered, you know, if there’s any update as far as how the hiring process has done as far as building out that I think maybe you mentioned you’re trying to build out to 12 reps, so direct rep for Geneva.So wondering if there’s any update there, and then also kind of, you know, how the growth in that business has been just given, you know, the effects of COVID and whether or not you’re able to still get into new accounts and still able to kind of drive that business and I think our checks so far have, you know, demonstrated that is something that would be definitely a useful business to or a useful service toward cardiologists?

Joseph Capper

Operator

Yeah. So the sales thing, we did two things. We took – we assigned sales responsibility to the remote cardiac monitoring sales team, which is, you know, north of 100 folks, we, for the firsthand I’m starting again one, they have responsibility to sell that product they have quoted, they have commissions assigned to it.The other thing we did was put in place a dedicated sales professional one per each of our 12 regions to drive that sole responsibility is to drive that sales process. And I want to say, we have 10 or 12 of them something along those lines. We have 12 in total, but I think all the two of them are filled.The Geneva sale has been going better than we had anticipated. If you remember, you may recall that at the outset, we talked about potential doubling in revenue year-over-year March 1st, we annualized the first year owning the company and we surpassed that objective on a run rate basis, we have more than doubled that business.We are bringing – early on in the year, we were signing accounts on at a higher rate. Obviously, that’s slowed down – new account activation has slowed down a little bit. But we’re able to pull through more patients in the same account.So we haven’t really seen a slowdown in that business. Remember, this is at-home monitoring, the current revenue. So we don’t anticipate a slowdown, it may be slightly slower growth through the next couple of months. But even that I think will be minimal. The team has done a really good job building a funnel.And once they’re able – and we have activated new accounts, we just can’t do it at quite the rate, very difficult to do when accounts are closed. So pulling through the patients actually has been an area where the team has done a good job growing the business.

David Rescott

Analyst

Okay, thank you. That’s it for me. Thanks for taking our questions.

Heather Getz

Management

Thanks, David.

David Rescott

Analyst

Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Jayson Bedford from Raymond James.You may begin.

Jayson Bedford

Analyst

Hi, good afternoon and congrats on the terrible revenue growth in the first quarter. And I hope everyone is healthy. So I do have a few questions maybe just to pick up on the last line of questioning, Joe the up 45% quarter-on-quarter on Geneva. Is it just due to new center ads and then I don’t know if this is appropriate, but is there a way to kind of update us on kind of where you are in terms of the number of centers, et cetera?

Joseph Capper

Operator

No, we haven’t put up the number of centers and it’s really not a great metric, because you can have accounts that are varying in size. And but we haven’t put this out either, but the key metric for us is really new patient activations and that’s trending better than expected.And actually to the last question. We talked about the first quarter being better than anticipated, and maybe not as many new accounts activated in March. But March patients – excuse me, April patients were actually higher than March. So we did see even a step up as we moved into the second quarter.

Jayson Bedford

Analyst

Okay –

Joseph Capper

Operator

So really – that the key – a long winded, the key metric there’s new patient activation, there will be a time when we probably start to publicize that.

Heather Getz

Management

Yes.

Jayson Bedford

Analyst

Okay. And I guess in terms of the revenue model with Geneva. Is it more subscription-based that just kind of builds each quarter meaning, once you have activated a patient, that revenue kind of recurs either every month, every quarter, you had a new one on that just kind of builds on top of that, correct?

Joseph Capper

Operator

Yeah, I mean, it’s a recurring, typical recurring model stuff like that. The challenges keeping patients compliant or adhering to, you know, the overly protocol. So keeping them doing what they need to do – they’re supposed to do. And then obviously you have patient attrition. That split – you’ve got the right idea. Three, it’s a recurring revenue model.

Jayson Bedford

Analyst

Okay. And just for clarification, I think the comment was if May and June looks similar to April, that’s your kind of worst case scenario down 30% from 1Q. Is that that total revenue or just the healthcare services line ex-Geneva, ex-Research?

Joseph Capper

Operator

That was total revenue.

Jayson Bedford

Analyst

Total, okay.

Joseph Capper

Operator

Yeah, so total revenue. Then the other businesses where assuming they stay stable in this scenario, we assume they stay relatively stable. Research even actually drops just a little bit. The other businesses stay kind of where they are. And then Geneva would do what it’s doing.Within healthcare, the remote patient monitor – the Remote Cardiac Monitoring, MCOT, Research, Holter, extended-wear Holter on a volume basis, on a per day average, they would be the exact same in May and June, as we saw on average in April, and that’s important point, because the back half of April was better than the first part of April.So, look Heather hates when I say this, because it sounds like you know, like you just hate when I say it. So it’s – yeah, I would I can see this is as a highly unlikely worst case scenario. But I think we want you to hear it, just in case, A and B probably more important point is, we’re still profitable at that level. We’re still running at EBITDA positive, cash positive business at that level.

Jayson Bedford

Analyst

Right, but I guess the silver lining here is that trends in this back half of April seem to tick up and I think that’s similar to most companies that we’ve spoken to. Okay and then Research up 7% in the quarter. I guess my impression coming into the year that that line would be kind of flattish. The up 7% is that something that can be sustained?

Joseph Capper

Operator

Well we’re not forecasting that at this point, you know, we came in a year, we said we would be flat to down a little bit. We had a better than anticipated first quarter. Second quarter I think we’re forecasting that slightly down you know over the year.We did have a couple of really good bookings months in the first part of the year. A lot of times you don’t see that until the following year, 2021. So it depends on how those studies start. So our biggest concern frankly with that business taken is, we have delayed starts. We haven’t seen it yet. But you never know.

Heather Getz

Management

And we also didn’t factor in any of these one-off studies that may be done in response to COVID that might be quick tips. This is really based on the backlog that we saw coming into the year.

Jayson Bedford

Analyst

Okay, I’ll get back in queue. Thank you.

Joseph Capper

Operator

Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next line will be from Mitra Ramgopal from Sidoti. You may begin.

Mitra Ramgopal

Analyst

Yes. Hi, good afternoon. Thanks for taking the questions. I was just wondering first, if you can give us a sense of some maybe the incremental costs or expenses you expensed as a result of having to comply with COVID-19 from a safety PP standpoint, et cetera?

Joseph Capper

Operator

Not a whole lot, Mitra. So we’re kind of fortunate as we went into this, right. We’re a healthcare services platform. So we’re highly dependent on human resources. We always had the capability to work remotely. Some of our employees work a portion of their time remotely under ordinary time, because Geneva businesses almost all virtual.So it’s a pretty flexible business model. We were able to flex to a higher percentage of our people upwards of 90% of our folks working from home. The only people that really are coming into any of our locations are ones that they kind of have to, there are some job functions where they need to be on site to access certain technology and obviously like our distribution centers, folks have to be on location to pick, pack and check boxes.So it was kind of an easy transition for us, because of the way we’re set up. And, you know, even our cost structure, a decent amount of its tied to product and monitoring time, so we’re able to flex the business pretty smoothly.

Mitra Ramgopal

Analyst

Okay you know that’s great. And then I know obviously, as a result of COVID-19, you had talked about the QT prolongation, as it related to some of the drugs being used, et cetera. Just I’m wondering in light of the increased visibility you’ve gotten from that I think you mentioned a few largest institutions et cetera, that contacted you got a request from a number and lot of places et cetera. If this would sort of help just some increasing the potential for greater reimbursement coverage for MCOT going forward.

Joseph Capper

Operator

You lift the god dear. I’d be happy if it just protects us on the downside. And look, if nothing else, once again prove that there is a critical need for real time, because this is you know – this is some patients you can put on an extended-wear Holter. These are patients that you really need real time monitoring for. You know patients that are at risk for sudden death if they have QT prolongation. In US, the doctor has to intervene and adjust medication.So if you’re putting them on an extended-wear Holter and you’re sending them home, it’s not – you’re not monitoring, you’re recording a result and hopefully you’re going to download it at some later point. But it’s not real critical care. And I think this, again, reinforce the need in some scenarios to have a patient wired and connected and eyes on that patient.In the very first patient we monitored, we found an arrhythmia that was non-COVID related. Never would have found that if that patient wasn’t on this pattern.

Mitra Ramgopal

Analyst

Okay, no that’s helpful. Thanks. And then finally I know, obviously, you’re trying to rationalize your costs. And again, the volumes, et cetera, not predictable, given the environment, but I know you also want to continue to go to business and you certainly as you mentioned, you have the capital, the cash, et cetera on hand. So just trying to get a sense of the balance you’re trying to achieve as you look to obviously add salespeople, et cetera and invest in the business while also trying to monitor your costs in this environment.

Joseph Capper

Operator

Well, look with the first couple of weeks into this, we were into, you know, like most companies where is this thing going to bottom out, because just really good to know. So everything was on the table. And then we instituted changes as we saw necessary. Again, we’re fortunate that we have such a flexible business model that we’ll highly uplift with a lot of cash in the bank. I mean we’re on the cash flow positive.So all those things are helpful. Once we saw where the business sort of stabilize in mid-April, you know, then we could – then I guess choosing three changes about that, right. You start to think, okay, we can carry this excess cost for a period of time, we don’t need to cut at any deeper, and then that’ll position us better relative to others when we come out of this. So if there’s a rapid recovery, we believe we’re incredibly well positioned for that.

Mitra Ramgopal

Analyst

Okay, thanks again for taking the questions.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And our next question will come from the line of Gene Mannheimer from Dougherty. You may begin.

Gene Mannheimer

Analyst

Thanks, good afternoon and congrats on the good quarter in spite of the circumstances here. You know, certainly the last couple of months, we’ve seen a kind of a surge in telehealth visits, decline in in-person visits. So my question is, can your device orders from telehealth replace the decline in in-person visits that we’re experiencing or said differently, in your models, are you assuming that the patient volumes do not quite come back to the way they were pre-COVID?

Joseph Capper

Operator

It doesn’t matter to us one way or the other, Gene. The patient is – it is the telehealth visit, doctor prescribes a product, we ship it to the patient, we activate the patient remotely, our infrastructure is completely set up for that. That’s the way the business grew up. So we’re incredibly flexible from that standpoint.

Gene Mannheimer

Analyst

Okay. So you’re saying that a cardiologist can prescribe a patch or a monitor you know, without seeing the patient, just based on a workup over the telephone?

Joseph Capper

Operator

That’s correct. As long as they’re meeting their requirements on their end, it doesn’t affect us one way or the other.

Gene Mannheimer

Analyst

Got you. Good, excellent. Heather, what’s your – thank you for that, Joe. What’s your view how long your NOLs will last?

Heather Getz

Management

Well, it kind of depends on how could things come back. Obviously, you know, our expectation is that that’ll last well into 2021 at this point, depending on you know, what things look like, it could go further.

Gene Mannheimer

Analyst

Okay, got you. Very good, thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And I’m not showing any further questions at this time. I’d like to turn the call over to the speakers for any remarks.

Joseph Capper

Operator

Thanks, operator and thanks to everyone for your continued support and interest in the company. Take care of yourselves and we’ll speak to you next quarter. Operator, that concludes today’s call.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today’s conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.