Scott Malmanger
Management
Yes. thanks for the question, Aaron. So, we view these products as addressing two separate markets. So, the 5000 has embedded itself, not only in our core legacy customers, which is wild on fire; but also in other rural communities. So, as firefighters are buying the BKR 5000, we're finding that law enforcement within those communities, other fire departments are buying the same radio for their day-to-day operations. So, what was used primarily for going on mission for fighting fires is now becoming more of a mainstay radio. On the 9000, that radio is over twice as expensive as the 5000 and it addresses basically a different market. It's really targeted for those customers, who are looking at operating in multiple frequency bands, because they have to interoperate perhaps with the statewide system or an adjacent county system, and there's no guarantees on what frequency bands these systems would reside on. And again, these radios in 9000, in that particular case, that's their day-to-day radio. That's what they're using. So, although the 9000 can be used for wildland fire, it's really being purchased for day-to-day operations. And so, there will be some small overlap between the customer base, who are buying the 5000 and the 9000, but these are going to be different markets. So, if I look at -- so if I look going forward, the adoption rate of the 9000 is still to be determined. but if I looked at the adoption rate of the 5000 and just kind of break out the base customer base, it was still fairly significant, but it took about 18 months before it started to really gain some traction. And so, we expect something similar for the 9000, where the initial orders, which we've been seeing are small quantities, people testing the radio, and then as they build confidence in the radio, they'll start replacing their fleet with the 9000. And so, we'll see quarter-over-quarter increases in order volume through 2024, and then we're expecting a larger increase in 2025 as more and more of the people have confidence in the radio.