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Bank of Marin Bancorp (BMRC)

Q3 2023 Earnings Call· Mon, Oct 23, 2023

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, everyone. Welcome to the Bank of Marin Bancorp's Q3 2023 Earnings Call. [Operator Instructions] I will now turn the call over to Yahaira Garcia-Perea.

Yahaira Garcia-Perea

Analyst

Good morning, and thank you for joining Bank of Marin Bancorp's earnings call for the third quarter ended September 30, 2023. I'm Yahaira Garcia-Perea, Marketing and Corporate Communications Manager for Bank of Marin. During the presentation, all participants will be in a listen-only mode. After the call, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. Joining us on the call today are Tim Myers, President and CEO; and Tani Girton, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Our earnings press release and supplementary presentation which we issued this morning can be found in the Investor Relations portion of our website at bankofmarin.com where this call is also being webcast. Closed captioning is available during the live webcast as well as on the webcast replay. Before we get started, I want to note that we will be discussing some non-GAAP financial measures. Please refer to the reconciliation table in our earnings press release for both GAAP and non-GAAP measures. Additionally, the discussion on this call is based on information we know as of Friday, October 20, 2023, and may contain forward-looking statements that involve risks and uncertainties. Actual results may differ materially from those set forth in such statements. For a discussion on these risks and uncertainties, please review the forward-looking statements disclosures in our earnings press release as well as our SEC filings. Following our prepared remarks, Tim, Tani and our Chief Credit Officer, Misako Stewart will be available to answer your questions. And now, I'd like to turn the call over to Tim Myers.

Tim Myers

Analyst

Thank you, Yahaira. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to our third quarter earnings call. Our improved third quarter results reflect meaningful progress that we made to reposition our balance sheet out of borrowings and securities and into deposits and cash to expand our net interest margin, increase our liquidity diversification and improve our interest-free risk position. We generated 16% sequential growth in net income while maintaining comparable loan balances, strong credit quality and well-managed expenses. We further strengthened our core deposit franchise during the quarter by engaging new customers and deepening ties with existing clients through exceptional service and our local market expertise. These efforts led to strong deposit growth for the second consecutive quarter, including growth and non-interest-bearing deposits which continue to represent 48% of our total deposits. Notably, during the quarter, we added more than 1,200 new accounts, 38% of which were with new clients. While deposit costs increased in the quarter, the pace of increase slowed dramatically from the second quarter as we continued to effectively manage our deposit costs in an ongoing competitive environment. Interest-bearing deposit costs increased 31 basis points between June and September compared to 77 basis points between March and June. Historically, our overall cost of funds has trended well below pure averages, reflecting our long-term approach to customer engagement, which emphasizes building connections with a full suite of products and services rather than competing on price alone. We continue to work hard at improving our net interest margin by executing on our balance sheet initiatives, which not only include raising deposits and building our loan pipeline, but also reallocating part of our investment portfolio to cash and applying fair value hedges to other securities. Those actions enabled us to expand net interest margin by 3 basis points from the second quarter. We…

Tani Girton

Analyst

Thanks, Tim. Good morning, everyone. First, I'll start with some key highlights for the quarter. We generated net income of $5.3 million in the third quarter or $0.33 per diluted share up from $4.6 million or $0.28 in the second quarter. As Tim noted, the increase was driven by a 3 basis point increase in our tax equivalent net interest margin to 2.48% from 2.45% in the prior quarter due primarily to higher rates on interest-bearing cash balances generated from security sales and the addition of $102 million fair value hedges in the form of interest rate swaps. We recorded a $425,000 provision for credit losses on loans in the quarter compared to $500,000 in the prior quarter. The provision was due primarily to increases in qualitative factors related to trends in adversely graded nonowner-occupied commercial real estate loans and the potential impact of higher interest rates and other external factors on both our nonowner-occupied commercial real estate and construction portfolios. Non-interest income totaled $2.6 million for the third quarter down $141,000 from the second quarter. The modest decline was primarily due to a decrease in debit card interchange income. The sale of $82.7 million investment securities generated a loss of $2.8 million and that loss was offset by a gain on the sale of our remaining 10,439 vis-à-vis shares, which had a zero carrying value. Non-interest expenses of $19.7 million in the quarter were down $918,000 from $20.7 million last quarter. Contributing to the reduction was a $675,000 decrease in salaries and benefits related to decreases in accrued incentive and profit-sharing expenses and 401(k) contributions. Additionally, our annual charitable contributions grant program normally occurs in the second quarter, resulting in another $618,000 reduction quarter-over-quarter. Finally, FDIC insurance costs declined $197,000 due to a second quarter catch-up adjustment for the…

Tim Myers

Analyst

Thank you, Tani. In conclusion, we continue to build upon our valuable core deposit franchise in the third quarter. Emphasizing our relationship-based banking model to increase deposits while maintaining an attractive deposit mix and healthy liquidity levels. We also proactively managed our balance sheet enabling us to expand our net interest margin in the quarter. We bolstered our commercial banking team and are attracting new clients that are seeking financing to pursue new opportunities and expansion plans and we are deepening our relationships with existing clients. This is enabling our lending teams to build a strong pipeline that we believe will lead to loan growth, increased interest income and ongoing margin and earnings improvement. Finally, I want to thank everyone on today's call for your interest and your support. We will now open the call to your questions.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Jeffrey Rulis from D.A. Davidson. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Jeff Rulis

Analyst

Good morning.

Tim Myers

Analyst

Good morning, Jeff.

Tani Girton

Analyst

Good morning, Jeff.

Jeff Rulis

Analyst

Hoping to get an update on - I think you've identified a couple of months ago, that the percent of loans that we're repricing in the next 12 months, I think it was around 30%. Has that meaningfully changed as of today?

Tim Myers

Analyst

No. There's a slide in the deck on Page 17 on - in the investor presentation on the total, but that's - I'll let Tani go into some of the details on that.

Tani Girton

Analyst

Yes. So Jeff, the 29% in - when we discuss that in the context of our interest rate risk and where our net interest margin is headed, that includes prepayment projections, whereas what you can see on Page 17 in the deck or the presentation, if you add up the first two columns in the loan repricing schedule, that 17% there are no prepayment rates applied to that.

Jeff Rulis

Analyst

Got it. Okay. And as you both kind of talked about the puts and takes of the bigger picture on margin, it sounds more positive than not. High-level margin conversation, the outlook here is to continue to scratch out some expansion or kind of how do you see it as those deposit costs kind of held it big?

Tani Girton

Analyst

Yes, exactly. So we had talked about that on the last call. And I think for some of the factors, what we expected was what actually transpired. But again, that was absent any loan growth and also any change in deposits. Obviously, we had more growth in deposits and also the rates on the deposits went up. So that's where you would have gotten the differential. So as we look forward from today with a static balance sheet. So similar expectations, obviously not quite as much lift, if we don't make any changes associated, you know, last time we worked in the changes associated with the security sales, excuse me, and the interest rate swaps. This time, we have not done any of those as of yet this quarter. So, if you just look at a straight static balance sheet, with no changes in market rates, no changes in deposit rates, you know, that ranges from two to five basis points in lift on average margin in a quarter.

Tim Myers

Analyst

Yes. I would say, Jeff, from a, less sterile standpoint, analytically and Tani's right as we are seeing that pace of deposit cost decelerate. When you look at the deposit campaign we did, this last quarter versus the prior quarter, the weighted average cost on that was very, very similar, almost identical. And the yield on new loans coming on was 769 in the quarter. So, I think we mentioned in the script there that we have had an acceleration of loan closings. We had expected some last quarter, but those are materializing now. And so, if we get that loan growth on top of what Tani mentioned, we're optimistic we can continue to show that expansion barring any unforeseen circumstances there.

Jeff Rulis

Analyst

Great. I appreciate the color. If I could ask about the deposit side, and you talked about, I think you said 1,200 new accounts added and a large portion of those were new clients. What - if you could kind of range-bound, what the newer clients, where are they coming from? Is it from some of the struggles - or failed banks in your region? Or is it community banks? Is it larger banks? Do you get a sense for where those clients are coming from?

Tim Myers

Analyst

Yes, it's all the above. We are continuing to benefit from what happened with some of the banks that were taken over, but we're also getting accounts from just other large banks. I think the pros and the market drove people that direction, but fundamentally there's still a strong desire and love of the community banking model, or appreciation of that. And so, we continue to benefit from that. The bulk of it that we brought in, meaning not current account fluctuations, it was about $80 million or $81 million of that was interest bearing, but again that weighted average cost was 3.63% just for interest-bearing. So, we continue to get DDA. None of that was broker deposit activity and very little CD activity. So, it's just blocking and tackling deposit gathering. But it is across the board in terms of sources.

Tani Girton

Analyst

And I'd say you can see in the deck on Page 16, what the cost of deposits was in September versus June, but in general, the deceleration in the increase in cost of deposits is significant. It was about half this quarter versus what it was last quarter.

Jeff Rulis

Analyst

That's great. Thank you.

Tim Myers

Analyst

Thank you, Jeff.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of David Feaster from Raymond James. David, your line is open. Please go ahead.

David Feaster

Analyst

All right. Good morning, everybody.

Tim Myers

Analyst

Good morning, David.

Tani Girton

Analyst

Good morning, David.

David Feaster

Analyst

Maybe just following up on the margin discussion, you guys, that's assuming a static balance sheet, if I heard you correctly. And you guys have been, you've done a great job managing the balance sheet. I'm just curious, how you think about it going forward? We built cash balances this quarter. Are there any expectations to continue pruning the security book, pay down borrowing? You know, that would only be additive to the discussion, I would think, but I'm just curious, kind of how you think about managing the balance sheet going forward?

Tim Myers

Analyst

I'll talk high level, but Tani jump in, but we continue to look at that all the time. If we can sell securities, particularly fund into loan growth, obviously have a more definable earn back period that way. There's more clarity into that. We've been successful in paying down those borrowings. In fact, for a number of days during the quarter, we were, if you net from the cash, the $83 million from the prior security sales. If you net that from borrowings, we were negative $10 million for a while. We were sitting at zero. So, we've seen the ability to work that down. But your question is a great one we will continue to look at that. We're being sensitive to managing all the stakeholders here, shareholders, regulators, and want to maintain liquidity on the balance sheet. But we definitely want to look at what we can do, to fund loan growth and continue to reposition that NIM.

Tani Girton

Analyst

Yes, I would just add, - I think it's an exciting time if you see what the originations were at the beginning of Q4. You know, that's a time where we can really take some more action and do some redeployment on the balance sheet. So, I think there's possibly some opportunities coming up for us here.

David Feaster

Analyst

That's terrific. And maybe just following up on that point, could you talk about some of the dynamics that you're seeing on the loans side of the equation? Maybe just, first of all, I guess a pulse of your markets and how demand is trending, but just given some of the hires that you talked about and the commentary on, originations already exceeding the third quarter level. I'm just curious, where you're having success, where you're seeing opportunity to gain clients and new lending opportunities and how good risk, where are good risk adjusted returns at this point?

Tim Myers

Analyst

Sure, so we are seeing a mix with a higher weighting towards C&I right now. Certainly that comes with new hiring and focus. But we're also starting to see opportunities within CRE, meaning as prices have come down and rationalized and panic has abated, buyers, customers, prospects, looking to make purchases at those lower values, with those number all pencil out, we're seeing a mix of all of that. And it's also a good mix between new and existing customers. And you always want to see that kind of mix across all those things, type, borrower type, et cetera. So, it's been very encouraging. Some of it is stuff that was stuck in the pipeline for some time as, these things worked their way through the system. We are being very cautious. There's other factors out there that slowed our process down. A lot of it is just brand new customer referrals from some of the hiring we've done. So, I'm encouraged by the diversity of that.

David Feaster

Analyst

That's terrific. And the last one from me, you guys have done a great job managing expenses in a challenging revenue environment, still investing for growth. I'm just curious, how do you think about the expense trajectory going forward, some of the push and takes there, and how new hires, are you seeing more opportunity to invest and add new hires at this point? Where are they coming from? And just again, maybe some higher level commentary on the expense trajectory more broadly?

Tim Myers

Analyst

I'll start on the hiring and then let Tani talk about the expense front. We are seeing opportunities. We're in the process of trying to fill some open positions on the production lending side. We've benefited across the bank and the different divisions from some of the disruption in the market and been able to hire some really good people. But we continue to be reluctant to throw a lot of money at people that we can't really map out a road to return on that, meaning big team hires, et cetera. But we are trying to be very selective and the people we have hired are making a difference. So, we'll continue to look at that, but it will be in a pragmatic incremental approach.

Tani Girton

Analyst

And on the general expense side, I'd say that this quarter continues to be indicative. Fourth quarter is typically when all the true ups happen. But, the team has been really persistent about trying to make sure that we're doing our true ups as we go throughout the year. So you saw a few happen in the third quarter. The one thing that, could bounce around a little bit, the reciprocal deposit costs, did go up as the balances went up. Those balances went up at quarter end, they came down a little bit after quarter end. So, those deposit fees could fluctuate somewhat, but those have become a larger component of our other expense category.

David Feaster

Analyst

Okay that's helpful. Thanks everybody.

Tim Myers

Analyst

Thank you, David.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from the line of Woody Lay from KVW. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.

Woody Lay

Analyst

Hi, good morning, guys.

Tim Myers

Analyst

Good morning, Woody. How are you?

Woody Lay

Analyst

I'm good. I wanted to start on the deposit side. I mean, it was another good quarter of deposit growth. Excluding the normal seasonality, do you think that these trends can continue sort of in the near to medium term, or would you say most of the heavy lifting has been done at this point?

Tim Myers

Analyst

No. I think - sorry, can continue or should continue I think like a lot of these trends will decelerate. So if you looked at our new deposit gathering activity, that was $152 million, call it, in the prior quarter, $90 million this quarter. But we intend to continue that effort, and we want to continue the deposit mix. It's really the seasonality, I think, that's going to - that we see in the large depositor operating account fluctuations where we might see upward or downward trends affecting the results. But I think - the behavioral attributes that have allowed us to be successful should continue, and that ultimately leads to treasury management fee income growth that adds to lending opportunities, its behavior we want to continue I just think it will continue to decelerate. I just don't know at what pace.

Tani Girton

Analyst

Yes. And I would just add that those large depositor fluctuations, that's part and parcel of our business model and has been forever. But also the third quarter, what we did observe was sort of during the months of late July and August, we saw the activity go down a bit, because of vacations, not only people here but customers being on vacation. And we did see that activity start to pick up again towards the end - of the quarter. So as long as we stay engaged, I think we stand to continue the trend. But as Tim said, maybe not quite as heavy as in the second quarter.

Woody Lay

Analyst

Got it. That's great color. I wanted to get over to credit. And when I look at your office slide, it looks like the average occupancy rate ticked up for the - San Fran office portfolio. Do you think that sort of represents a positive trend? Or is that just sort of a quarter-over-quarter fluctuation that's not really representative of much?

Tim Myers

Analyst

I wouldn't read too much into that. We're actually seeing some - there is weakness in the market. What we are starting to see, what's interesting is activity per borrowers' landlords is increasing in terms of tenant investigation of taking down space. But right now, what you're seeing is a rationalization of the market, meaning our landlord is willing to accept what tenants can pay per market rents today. And so, we're seeing that ongoing negotiation. And so, I really unload to predict a run rate Woody based on that trend, because we are seeing a softening, people not renewing leases. And as the landlords look for new tenants, again, can they live with five, 10-year or seven, 10-year leases at today's current market rate. And there's a bit of a standoff there, and that will play itself out. But all those deals got good sponsorship and decent loan to values in some cases, excellent loan to values, which gives us flexibility for time. But as San Francisco is still a weak market right now for leasing up newer empty space.

Woody Lay

Analyst

Right. Thanks for that. And then last, I just wanted to follow-up on the special mention loan bucket. Were there any trends there in the third quarter? Any color there would be helpful?

Tim Myers

Analyst

We did exactly what I was just saying. So that's two of the properties we moved into there were properties in San Francisco, where tenants have chosen not to renew. We're pretty aggressive when we downgrade. So watch credits, for example, is a very transitory bucket for us. So, we're pretty aggressive in downgrading the special mention, if we think there's a threat to the primary source of repayment. But those are properties where one in particular, where the lease isn't up yet, tenant has said they're leaving, landlords looking for a new tenant. And again, you get back to that rationalization of accepting longer-term leases at current market rates. So, the increase in special mention or classified as similar - I'm sorry, credit side, is very similar to the amount that moved in the prior quarter. We just have a lot of transitory activity there. So, we'll aggressively downgrade when we see a threat to that primary source. But oftentimes, we can work out. But that goes back to the softness in San Francisco.

Woody Lay

Analyst

All right. Thanks for taking my questions.

Tim Myers

Analyst

Yes.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from the line of Andrew Terrell from Stephens. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.

Andrew Terrell

Analyst

Hi, good morning.

Tim Myers

Analyst

Good morning, Andrew.

Tani Girton

Analyst

Good morning.

Andrew Terrell

Analyst

If I could just follow-up on credit for a moment. The $3.8 million loan that you called out that went nonaccrual this quarter, it looks like it was acquired. Do you have just what the specific reserve or the mark is against that credit? And was this one that you had marked as PCB in the transaction originally or originally identified as being a potential problem loan?

Tim Myers

Analyst

I'm going to let Misako Stewart, our Chief Credit Officer, answer this question. So go ahead.

Misako Stewart

Analyst

Yes. There is no specific reserve for that particular loan, because we do still have adequate or sufficient loan-to-value coverage on that. And the loan did go into non-accrual, but since quarter end, they did bring the payment current. So actually, as of this date, the loan is current on payments. And - we're continuing to work with the borrower. The deal happens to be in an industry that we normally are not in. So it's kind of an isolated situation, and we're continuing to work with the borrower.

Andrew Terrell

Analyst

Okay. Great. I appreciate the color. And then a lot of banks have been giving some color this quarter around the reserve against their office portfolio. Is that something you guys have offhand that you could share?

Tani Girton

Analyst

A specific reserve, are you - is that what you're asking…

Andrew Terrell

Analyst

Yes, specific reserve against the office portfolio?

Tani Girton

Analyst

Yes. We don't have a specific reserve. However, we did make some adjustments in our Q factors and our qualitative factors under CECL to kind of increase the risk factor for our non-owner occupied real estate, which would include office. So that's kind of where the reserves would be coming from. But no individual reserve.

Andrew Terrell

Analyst

Okay. Understood. And then just I wanted to make sure I understood that the Page 13 of the presentation, the refinance slide correctly. And I appreciate the data. It's very helpful. For the four loans that are $11.6 million out maturing in the fourth quarter. I just want to make sure that the 128 debt service coverage is based on a 3.80 weighted average current rate, correct?

Tani Girton

Analyst

No, it's not. It's actually stressed to current market rate.

Andrew Terrell

Analyst

Okay. Understood. Okay. I appreciate it.

Tim Myers

Analyst

We may not - for everyone's benefit, we may not have done a good job selling that out, but those are the current rates we took current lease rates, current rent rules, current tenancy and said, could these loans or sensitize those to repricing at current market rates to see what our exposure was on that. And so, we did it in two buckets, loans coming due by way of maturity or loans that reprice because those are somewhat different risk buckets. But similar underlying risk factors is commuting cash flow when you reprice them at market rates. We wanted to demonstrate - for ourselves do that analysis and demonstrate that they have adequate debt coverage.

Tani Girton

Analyst

So that rate - there is indicative of how far those would have to move between their and the stressed rates to get to those debt service coverages. Right, right, right. It means that based on the current rate that they're paying on the debt coverage, would be much higher than what was indicated here, because the weighted average debt service ratio that you see on this page is stressed.

Andrew Terrell

Analyst

Understood. Okay. Yes, definitely still really strong, especially understanding that you've already stressed that debt service right there. Okay. Very good. And then just one last one from me. I wanted to get maybe updated thoughts. You've obviously got a really strong capital position maybe updated thoughts on the buyback, I think about $25 million outstanding. Just how you're thinking about that given where the stock is trading at right now?

Tim Myers

Analyst

Well, we continue to believe we'd love to do that based on the valuation. We think it's a great deal, obviously. Similar to my I answered, I think, David, on security sales and having ongoing conversations with different stakeholders, including the regulators about their appetite, given fears around potential credit losses. What that might mean, but it's something we remain keenly interested in. It's probably a matter of timing.

Andrew Terrell

Analyst

Okay. Thank you for taking all the questions.

Tim Myers

Analyst

Thank you, Andrew.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from the line of Matthew Clark from Piper Sandler. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.

Matthew Clark

Analyst

Thanks and good morning.

Tim Myers

Analyst

Good morning, Matthew.

Matthew Clark

Analyst

Just a few more all around the margin, just trying to fine-tune the forecast here. Loan yields were basically flat this quarter. Was there anything unusual there? And we see the repricing slide and we know about, new loan production coming on a lot higher. But maybe just any commentary around this latest quarter and then kind of the lift you might expect going forward?

Tim Myers

Analyst

I think some of the yields of loans paying off are a little bit higher, depending on the loan category. So the average yield of loans paying off of $6.2 million, that's a little bit high. And so there wasn't a huge rate differential. You had overall loan compression, albeit marginal. And I think that all affected an average yield. But that average yield of loans coming on at $769. If we can continue that trend, again that $620 million as high for loans coming off, that should expand or more differentiated.

Tani Girton

Analyst

Yes. And if you look at the yield on the quarter before loan fees, we had lift of 5 basis points there. And I think what happened in the loan fees and cost amortization is that if memory is serving correctly, we had some payoffs last quarter. So we had some fees that were associated with those that lifted the yield a bit.

Matthew Clark

Analyst

Got it. Okay. And then the trend in interest-bearing deposits you show on Slide 16, call it, 10, 11 basis points per month in terms of the rate of increase. And it sounds like you expect things to moderate. Do you happen to have, I guess you - yes, do you happen to have the spot rate at the end of September. I'm just trying to get a sense for - does that 10 basis point increase get cut in half going forward or not?

Tani Girton

Analyst

Yes. So we don't have the spot rate for September 30, but what we gave you was the month for the rate for the month of September, which was 100 basis points on the total cost versus 82% in the month of June. So a 28 basis point lift over the three months.

Matthew Clark

Analyst

Okay. Great. And then just any additional commentary around expenses for next year? How should we be thinking about growth? Is it - are we shooting for expenses to be flat on an operating basis? Or do you think there might be some modest growth?

Tim Myers

Analyst

Well, we have some investments we want to continue to make around efficiencies and digitalization. That being said, that investment has been slower this year. The branch closures we announced the savings this year because of accelerating TI costs was more minimal. But next year, that's a $1.4 million annualized savings. So we're doing our best to cover investments or any further increases in expenses with offsetting that with savings like that and we'll continue to do that. So we don't have any large expense things planned that would deviate too far from that. But we also caveat that, we want to be opportunistic with hiring and other things. And I say that with nothing in mind, but I think that's the general picture.

Tani Girton

Analyst

And we normally will plan for merit increases. And so that's going to give you an upward trend just in general.

Matthew Clark

Analyst

Yes, okay. Got it. Thank you.

Tim Myers

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from the line of Tim Coffey. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Tim Coffey

Analyst

Great. Thank you, Morning, everybody.

Tani Girton

Analyst

Good morning, Tim.

Tim Coffey

Analyst

Tim, if we can circle back to the San Francisco office book. How much of that is criticized or classified at this point?

Tani Girton

Analyst

We'll see here, let me do the math. So about of the $71 million, there's about 25% that's in the classified bucket. And then yes.

Tim Myers

Analyst

And that continues and has been skewed, Tim, by that large substandard that we downgraded two Decembers ago. So we've had the movement in there. We just mentioned into criticized, but that one large $17 million loan really contributes the bulk of that it has for some time.

Tani Girton

Analyst

It's one borrower. We're not seeing any deterioration, not any notable improvement, but no deterioration. There's good sponsorship behind it. So loan payments are being made as agreed, and we're continuing to work with the borrower.

Tim Coffey

Analyst

Okay. Okay. That's great. And then, Tim, as you talk to some of the commercial real estate investors and your bank. What's their temperature like right now? Are they still waiting for things to get worse and pick up better deals? Or do you see them getting more interested in being back in the market?

Tim Myers

Analyst

We're seeing interest pick up. I don't want to - we don't have a large enough portfolio to be statistically relevant there with my opinion, but we are seeing activity pick up, whether it's a North Face Sacramento, but we are seeing people interested at acquiring properties at what look like depressed or degraded prices, and that's creating opportunities. So and that rightsizes the credit risk, right, as we're doing those at higher returns. We're also funding loans that are rationalized appraised value in this environment. So I don't want to - I don't know if that's a trend yet, but it's becoming more visible.

Tim Coffey

Analyst

Okay. Well, that's positive relative to where we were earlier in this year. And then as you kind of go forward with your deposit for gathering strategies, do you have a target loan-to-deposit ratio you'd like to get to?

Tim Myers

Analyst

Well, I mean, we'd love it to be higher than it is, right? So we want to lend into this with the higher yields. And so we'd love to continue to raise deposits at manageable costs at a relationship deposits that will come down in cost over time and pay off the borrowings, et cetera. But we really want to grow the loans. And so if we can get back to a historical trend line for us on that, that's really where we'd like to be. But no one set number target.

Tani Girton

Analyst

Yes. We have a lot of headroom to go where - I mean, we used to talk about what would the cap be on that? And unlike a lot of the larger banks, we don't really have an appetite or haven't historically for getting loan-to-deposit ratios over even not only 100, but even 90 to 95. So.

Tim Coffey

Analyst

Great. Okay. Well, thank you very much for your time. Those were my questions.

Tim Myers

Analyst

Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

There are no further questions in the queue. I will now pass the call over to Tim Myers for closing remarks.

Tim Myers

Analyst

Thank you again, everyone, for your interest in joining us and the outstanding questions, and we look forward to talking to you again next quarter.