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The Bank of Nova Scotia (BNS)

Q3 2016 Earnings Call· Tue, Aug 30, 2016

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Jake Lawrence

Management

And welcome to Scotiabank's 2016 Third Quarter Results Presentation. My name is Jake Lawrence. I am the Senior Vice President of Investor Relations for the Bank. Presenting to you this morning is Brian Porter, Scotiabank's President and Chief Executive Officer; Sean McGuckin, our Chief Financial Officer; and Stephen Hart, the Bank's Chief Risk Officer. Following this morning comments, we'll be glad to take your questions. Also in the room with us to join the Q&A session are Scotiabank's business line group heads, James O'Sullivan from Canadian Banking; Nacho Deschamps from International Banking; and Dieter Jentsch from Global Banking and Markets. Before we start the call and on behalf of those speaking today, I would like to refer you to Slide 2 of our presentation, which contains Scotiabank caution regarding forward-looking statements. And with that, I'll turn the call over to Brian Porter.

Brian Porter

Management

Thank you, Jake, and good morning everyone. I'll start on Slide 4. We are pleased to report our third quarter results to our shareholders. For Q3, the Bank delivered a strong quarter of both, financial and operating results. The Bank earned almost $2 billion, delivering diluted earnings per share of $1.54 and a 6% increase from last year. These strong results were supported by earnings growth across all three of our business lines each of which I'll touch on briefly. While we're Canada's International Bank, it is important to note that our Canadian banking business generates more than half of the Bank's earnings. The Canadian banking team under James O'Sullivan's leadership has done a very good job continuing to improve the customer experience, working to further optimize the business mix, and enhancing productivity. I'd like to highlight two proof points. To better serve customers we are developing greater digital capabilities to eliminate pain points and simplify onboarding experiences for our customers. For example; we are reducing online bank account openings to less than five minutes, and in constructing Canadian banking's balance sheet we are deepening relationships in a thoughtful and risk sensitive manner. As proof, we are growing our core deposit and payments businesses which have improved the returns we are able to generate for shareholders. This quarter's financial results provide evidence of Canadian banking’s success. Turning to international banking, I'm very pleased with the financial and operating momentum we see in the business, particularly in the Pacific Alliance countries of Mexico, Peru, Chile and Colombia. Over a year ago we indicated that the financial performance of international banking would improve, and it has. International banking has earned at least $500 million in four consecutive quarters. These strong earnings performances for our combination, excellent volume growth, primarily in the Pacific…

Sean McGuckin

Management

Thanks, Brian. I will begin on Slide 6, which shows our key financial performance metrics for the current quarter and comparative periods. As Brian mentioned, Q3 diluted earnings per share was $1.54, up 6% year-over-year. The quarter had strong personal and commercial banking as well as wholesale results. Provisions for credit losses improved from the peak level reported last quarter and progress on expense management continues to be good. Revenue growth was strong, up 8% from Q3 last year, with solid asset growth in Canadian Banking, International Banking, as well as corporate lending. Revenues were positively impacted by acquisitions, stronger trading and banking revenues as well as higher underwriting and advisory fees; partially offsetting was lower revenues from investments and associates. Our core banking margin was 2.38%, down 2 basis points year-over-year. Higher margins in our business lines were more than offset by lower contributions from asset liability management activities and the mix impact of higher volumes of lower yielding investment securities; overall, across the Bank, a good expense management performance in Q3. Continued investments and strategic initiatives contributed to a 5% increase in expenses including higher technology and professional costs. The Q3 productivity ratio was 52.8%, reflecting an improvement of 160 basis points year-over-year. In regards to the restructuring charge we announced last quarter to drive efficiency improvements, the expected benefits have started to accrue in Q3 and amounted to approximately $25 million. The $25 million benefit was only a small contributor to the strong 3.3% operating leverage this quarter. It is still early days but as we look to 2017 and beyond, we expect our savings in this efficiency initiative to track on plan for 200 basis points to 250 basis points improvement in productivity for 2019. Moving to capital on Slide 7, as mentioned the Bank continues…

Stephen Hart

Management

Thanks, Sean, and good morning. We remain comfortable with the underlying fundamentals of the Bank's risk portfolios and performance continues to remain within our expectations. As noted last quarter, we expected the Bank's loss rate in Q2 to reflect the peak level of losses for the year and that remains unchanged. A key driver of the loan losses last quarter were elevated levels of energy-related PCLs, which have decreased materially quarter-over-quarter. Excluding the collective allowance increase last quarter, our PCL ratio improved by 12 basis points quarter-over-quarter to 47. Overall, our retail credit performance in both Canada and international is performing as expected and is generally stable. In Canada, we are seeing some regional weakness in Alberta, but that is being offset by strength in our other markets such as Ontario and BC. Similarly in the international, the Bank operates across a diverse number of portfolios across different geographies. Some books are performing better than others, but overall, credit quality remains good. Looking at our corporate and commercial loan books, we continue to see some energy-related provisions, but the portfolio continues to perform well. I'll have more to say on the energy portfolio specifically in a minute. Now looking at credit metrics, gross-impaired loans were up 5% quarter-over-quarter. The increase was driven by foreign exchange, as well as higher retail volumes of both Canada and international, as well as some on our global banking and markets exposure in the U.S. and Asia. Our net impaired loans as the percentage of our portfolio increased 2 basis points quarter-over-quarter. Net formations amounted to $788 million, down from the $982 million in the prior quarter. The improvement was driven primarily by lower formations in international, commercial and global banking and markets. Looking at our market risk which remains low, our average one-day all-bank…

Brian Porter

Management

Thank you, Stephen. Before we open the call for questions, I'd like to highlight some of the key takeaways from our presentation and comment on the outlook for Scotia Bank. As Stephen covered, we are comfortable with our risk positions and overall credit quality. With regards to our energy exposures, we have been consistent in stating that losses will be manageable and we are confident that losses in this sector have peaked. In terms of our businesses as demonstrated by this quarter's results and year-to-date performance, we have good momentum in our Canadian and international banking businesses that we expect to continue through next quarter and into 2017. We were also encouraged by the improved results in global banking and markets for this quarter. With respect to our strategic agenda, we are continuing to make good progress. The restructuring charge announced last quarter will support investments to reduce structural cost and improve the customer experience, making us an even better bank. As we indicated, we expect to realize annual run rate expense savings of $350 million in 2017, growing to $550 million in 2018 and growing to over $750 million in 2019 from current expense levels. As a result, these initiatives are expected to drive a productivity ratio improvement of 200 to 250 basis points for 2019, providing a very good return for our shareholders. We also continue to transform the Bank digitally, making investments to redesign and streamline processes. In closing, we are pleased with our results this quarter. As we executed on strategy, we are delivering improved financial results and growing business momentum – all of which position us well moving forward. I'll turn the call back to Sean for the Q&A.

Sean McGuckin

Management

Thanks, Brian. That concludes our prepared remarks. We'll now be pleased to take your questions. As the usual, please limit yourself to one question and then rejoin the queue to allow everyone the opportunity to participate in the call. Operator, can we have the first question on the phone please?

Operator

Operator

Thank you. The first question comes from Robert Sedran of CIBC World Markets. Please go ahead.

Robert Sedran

Analyst

Hi, good morning. Sean, when I look on Slide 9 on the international banking margin, it's almost the perfectly symmetrical V in a couple of consecutive material increases in that margin. When you think about business mix evolution and you think about monetary policy, should we continue to expect that upswing, or is there a level at which you think it’s going to stabilize?

Sean McGuckin

Management

Yes. The asset mix continues to play out. We continue to see good growth in retail and commercial, the retail spreads generally have a better margin than commercial spread. The recent rate hikes will have a very modest increase to the margins. So overall, we'd expect margins to be at this level to slightly improving as time progresses.

Robert Sedran

Analyst

Okay. And just quickly on the global banking line, I know that we often talk about this margin, but is the margin benefit there at all related to some of the risk-weighted asset, mitigation that helped the capital ratio this quarter or is it something totally different?

Brian Porter

Management

The margin was largely impacted by our deposit growth and the continuing growth on ancillary revenue. That really helped our margin this quarter.

Robert Sedran

Analyst

Okay, thank you.

Sean McGuckin

Management

Next question, please.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from Gabriel Dechaine of Canaccord Genuity. Please go ahead.

Gabriel Dechaine

Analyst

Hi, good morning. I just want to ask a question about the hot topic of residential mortgages. Your growth is 3% year-over-year in the Canadian business and that's relatively low and I think at this stage, a lot of investors have actually viewed that as a positive. My question is are there some element of restraint on your part? And if so, why? Is it because spreads are unattractive or is it the risk profile you don't like? What's behind that trend?

Stephen Hart

Management

Thanks, Gabriel. There is an element of choice, certainly. I think as we construct our balance sheet in a thoughtful and risk-sensitive way, our goal, I think is clear. We've said for over a year now that we want to not close, but certainly narrow the gap at our margin compared to our peers. So we're deliberately focusing on some asset classes more than others and very clearly, we're focused on deposits as well. On mortgages, we've had low single-digit growth in balances now for some time. It's clear that it exceeded some market share, but as I said at the outset, that is very much a choice. We feel very strongly that if we execute our strategy of investing in customer experience, shifting our business mix and improving our productivity ratio, we can continue to deliver earnings growth in the range of 6% to 9% medium term and that's what we seek to do.

Gabriel Dechaine

Analyst

Your ceding share sounds mainly like your margin appetite I guess or preservation strategy. Not so much that you worry about something going bump in the night in Vancouver or something like that?

Stephen Hart

Management

I think that's right, but look we never look at returns without looking at risk at the same time. So it's…

Gabriel Dechaine

Analyst

It kind of go hand-in-hand.

Stephen Hart

Management

But I think you've said this fair.

Gabriel Dechaine

Analyst

Okay. And just a quick one for Sean here; If I look over the past four quarters, the difference between the PCLs excluding the net acquisition base to benefit and the actual reported PCL, is about $150 million over the past four quarters. Is that going to drop pretty significantly next year?

Sean McGuckin

Management

That will start trending down in future quarters. The higher credit mark we're seeing this year is also often to offset some of the integration cost which we really don't call out.

Gabriel Dechaine

Analyst

Got you.

Sean McGuckin

Management

So just two pieces to that equation in terms of the net benefit.

Gabriel Dechaine

Analyst

Are they fairly equivalent?

Sean McGuckin

Management

No. I'd say the integration cost may be 30% to 40% of what we're seeing on credit mark.

Gabriel Dechaine

Analyst

Okay, thank you.

Sean McGuckin

Management

Next question, please.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from John Aiken of Barclays. Please go ahead.

John Aiken

Analyst

Good morning. Stephen, in the MD&A there's a lot of talk on Canadian commercial and yet when I'm trying to go through the sub-pack, I wasn't able to figure out exactly where this was coming from. Is this largely related to Alberta, broadly based along business segments or am I missing something here?

Stephen Hart

Management

I'm sorry. I'm trying to find the reference in the MD&A.

John Aiken

Analyst

Yes. Just in terms of Canadian operative - provision for credit losses. You talked about the inflation on the consumer side, but you also talked about commercial.

Stephen Hart

Management

Yes. Well, commercial, quite frankly, was fairly modest, it's actually well below its historic average right now. In fact we had one account in the oil field services and the rest were a little smattering here and there – not really related to Alberta specifically.

John Aiken

Analyst

So Stephen, I guess where I'm going at is, I know we're at low levels at this stage in the game. Is this at a leading edge, or is this just the anomaly of where something popped up in the quarter?

Stephen Hart

Management

No, I don't think there's any - the trend is actually quite positive. The rest of the portfolio on commercial, Canadian commercial is very strong, actually. As I said, we are watching the oil field services side and it could be a couple small bumps along the way on that but we see it very positively going forward.

John Aiken

Analyst

Great, thanks. I'll re-queue.

Sean McGuckin

Management

Next question, please.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from Meny Grauman of Cormark Securities. Please go ahead.

Meny Grauman

Analyst

Hi, good morning. Just to follow-up on Gab's question, there is lot of talk recently, we're talking about growth in uninsured mortgages, specifically in BC&F. I looked at your performance for the quarter, down 17% year-over-year. Just hoping you could explain what's driving that decline?

Sean McGuckin

Management

Well, sorry -- what's the minus 17%?

Meny Grauman

Analyst

The growth in uninsured BC mortgages?

Brian Porter

Management

Okay. Let me make a few comments on the -- our mortgage plus overall. What I say Meny is, let's look at it first from a portfolio perspective. We did a very large bulk insurance deal in Q2. So 59% of our overall book now is insured, and the loan to value on the balance is 50%. If you look at this business from an originations perspective, the growth as Sean said is sub-3% year-over-year and if you -- it's near zero frankly if you include Tangerine. From an operational perspective, newly originated uninsured mortgages are very stable long-term values at about 63%. My point is, I think we're being prudent. I think we're being vigilant in this market but we're not overly concerned. We believe we’ve constructed a very, very solid mortgage book here but clearly, given that our strategy is to shift our business mix, we've made a deliberate choice to do less mortgages and more of other asset classes.

Meny Grauman

Analyst

Thanks for that. And then if I could just shift gears and ask a broader question about the international business about Mexico specifically. US election is coming up and just wondering how you view risk of the U.S. election to your business in Mexico? And I won’t mention any candidates but do you see an impact on potential outcome of the U.S. election that will be negative to your Mexican business?

Nacho Deschamps

Analyst

Well, in any election there is some kind of disruption and as you know, as you said you mentioned there can be volatility before the U.S. election but we don't see really anything material. We see our business growing in Mexico very strongly, both in terms of loans, in terms of deposits, this was particularly a strong quarter. We are growing 19% in Mexico in constant terms in loans and 23% in deposits. So there can be some volatility, some noise in the media but we don't see any structural impact.

Meny Grauman

Analyst

Thank you.

Brian Porter

Management

Next question, please.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from Mario Mendonca of TD Securities. Please go ahead.

Mario Mendonca

Analyst

Good morning. Question first for Sean, you referred to the seasonal -- or the seasonal effects on loan growth in international. I think your comment was, you'd expect that growth to resume going into 2017. So I just want to make sure I understand what you're saying here. Are you suggesting that the seasonal factors could lead to a further decline in Q4 so you're really guiding to 2017 recovery?

Sean McGuckin

Management

No. I was saying that as we get beyond Q3, as we've normally seen that asset growth picks up again in the fourth quarter and we -- we were seeing that already. The approval was bit slower in Q3 because of the election, as we had mentioned. We're seeing good pickup in the loan growth area in the last couple of months which will come to in Q4 but maybe I will let Nacho talk about the pipeline as well going forward.

Nacho Deschamps

Analyst

Yes, I agree Sean, it was really very tactical in the quarter. We are already, we have a strong pipeline. We have already seen lending demand growing in Peru after the election. And overall, for the Pacific Alliance countries we see a growth -- double digit growth as our trend in the following quarter. So this is just a very specific evolution during the quarter, basically based in Peru. But we expect very strong growth to continue in the Pacific Alliance countries currently growing 15% in year-over-year loans and that should be the trend we should see in the following quarters.

Mario Mendonca

Analyst

Guys, just wanted to make sure that you weren't providing us any specific commentary on the short-term with reference to 2017, it wasn't a special reference then?

Nacho Deschamps

Analyst

No, its Q4 -- going into Q4 and into '17 continuing the good year-over-year trends we've seen for this year.

Mario Mendonca

Analyst

Just touch quickly on that Bulk insurance. I recognize that it was a Q2 thing. When a bank like Scotia makes such a big change, and the numbers were huge. I mean they were large compared to what we've seen from other banks. You're certainly not the only bank though. What I'm trying to get a handle on is, what are the implications of making that change beyond just changing the risk profile of the Bank? Does it reflects the -- or matches or improves the capital ratio somewhat but not materially because there is not a lot of capital on insured mortgages. Are there any other financial implications either from a marginal perspective or anything as you can have?

Brian Porter

Management

No it really, I think Sean has got some higher benefit for capital, some benefit for liquidity in terms of creating liquid assets. It should not have any meaningful impact on margin, it's just a cost efficient way to enhance our capital and our liquidity positions.

Mario Mendonca

Analyst

On the mortgage front, either as it relates to insurance or covered bonds or anything that would suggest you that margins in the mortgage business could deteriorate somewhat in 2017 or would you just refer us to the trade environment which are the normal factors?

Brian Porter

Management

I think the later. I mean the mortgage market, as you know Mario, it has been intensely competitive for quite some time now and quite frankly, we don't expect that to change.

Mario Mendonca

Analyst

On the regulatory front, the insurance front, that would worry you -- it's just the macro environment that we've got, that would always face to us?

Brian Porter

Management

Precisely.

Mario Mendonca

Analyst

Thank you.

Brian Porter

Management

Next question, please.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from Sohrab Movahedi of BMO. Please go ahead.

Sohrab Movahedi

Analyst

Thank you. Quick question for just to follow-up under James, can you talk about what your decline rate on mortgage approval has been or mortgage applications has been let's say over the last year? More -- I don't need to know the exact number but how the trend has been, is it declining more?

James O'Sullivan

Analyst

Yes, I would say, generally and that would be true across the portfolio overall. So Sohrab if I think about -- look, the first thing I'd say is, in macro kind of markets like this, the most important thing for us to do is work with our customers or existing customers. That's job one, and we've certainly been doing that since early in 2015. But we have been taking progressive actions across a number of portfolios. So those would include -- if you'd expect, I think exceptions, tightening of originations, reduced pre-approvals. But I do want to highlight it's also included internally heightened focus and investment in collections, more segmentation, more analytics and we've added resources and people to deal with the macroeconomic environment as we see it.

Sohrab Movahedi

Analyst

Okay, thank you. And just a quickie for Brian, any updates on the standard chart file?

Brian Porter

Management

No, nothing really to report, it's -- as I've discussed before, we probably see this Standard [ph] chart as an investment and we'll proceed accordingly. Timing isn't really working on our favor right now but you'll hear from us when we think the market conditions turnaround.

Sohrab Movahedi

Analyst

Thank you very much.

Brian Porter

Management

You're welcome. Next question, please.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from Peter Routledge of National Bank Financial. Please go ahead.

Peter Routledge

Analyst

Hi, I wanted to ask question about the U.S. money market reforms due in October to really to be in full force in October. And I know Scotia is active in that space for some of its funding. So can you talk about what the short-term implications just are for Scotia in terms of managing that transition? And then whether the longer-term funding cost implications?

Sean McGuckin

Management

I'll take that call -- that question. As we have been shifting our wholesale funding, as you have noticed our wholesale funding is down significantly on a year-over-year basis, we've targeted better retail and commercial corporate deposit growth and that's playing out nicely which allows us to reduce our wholesale funding. So as the U.S. money market funds become less available, at times and nicely with our overgrowing reduction in wholesale funding, we've had reductions, close to about $20 billion so far last year that we've managed through. We're now getting to a point where we think the rate of reduction will slow but we have been terming out our wholesale funding to better position our liquidity metrics and we don't see it being a much of a challenge going forward on the remaining bit of the U.S. money markets trending lower.

Peter Routledge

Analyst

Since you sort of term out more, you don't expect any pressure in the core margin?

Sean McGuckin

Management

No, as I said we've been doing that and had some impact over the past year.

Peter Routledge

Analyst

But it doesn't show -- I mean in your own data it doesn't show up you're not seeing real deterioration?

Sean McGuckin

Management

No, we're earning to it. I know as James talks about business mix changes on the corporate lending side we're seeing good assets goals there to help our institute and as well, so we're not seeing as a major headwind at this point.

Peter Routledge

Analyst

And your business mix changes aren't driven by the rising cost of funding?

Sean McGuckin

Management

No, but it helps improve the margin which helps offset the either cost of terming up some of our funding [ph], so it goes hand-in-hand.

Peter Routledge

Analyst

Okay, thank you.

Sean McGuckin

Management

Any more questions on the call?

Operator

Operator

There are no further questions at this time.

Sean McGuckin

Management

All right. Okay, thank you very much for participating. We look forward to hearing you again in Q4. Thank you.