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Q3 2019 Earnings Call· Tue, Aug 27, 2019

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Philip Smith

Management

Good morning, and welcome to Scotiabank’s 2019 Third Quarter Results Presentation. My name is Philip Smith, Senior Vice President of Investor Relations. Presenting to you this morning are Brian Porter, Scotiabank’s President and Chief Executive Officer; Raj Viswanathan, our Chief Financial Officer; and Daniel Moore, our Chief Risk Officer. Also present to take your questions are the following Scotiabank executives: Dan Rees from Canadian Banking; Nacho Deschamps from International Banking; Jake Lawrence and James Neate from Global Banking and Markets and Glen Gowland from Global Wealth Management. Following our comments, we’ll be glad to take your questions. Before we start and on behalf of those speaking today, I will refer you to slide two of our presentation, which contains Scotiabank’s caution regarding forward-looking statements. With that, I will now turn the call over to Brian Porter.

Brian Porter

Management

Thank you, Phil, and good morning, everyone. I’ll start on slide four. Before I discuss our financial results for the quarter, I’d like to comment briefly on the macroeconomic environment across our footprint, and what it means for our businesses and our shareholders. There has been increasing focus by investors on the risk to the global economic growth and its impact on interest rates. While there are emerging risks, it is important to provide some context to recent market volatility. In Canada, our largest market, we are experiencing strong population growth, unemployment remains near 40 year lows, and we are experiencing wage growth of over 4%. Across our footprint in Latin America where we have been deploying capital, increasing our scale and enjoying double-digit earnings growth, GDP in most Pacific Alliance countries is forecast to grow approximately 3% this year and next year. Given market conditions, we remain positive in our business outlook. And we’ll continue to execute on our strategy while being mindful of emerging risks. The Bank has been active in redeploying capital through a series of acquisitions and divestitures to reposition the Bank’s geographic footprint, in line with our strategy of improving earnings quality and simplifying our operations. We are focused on our Americas footprint and the alignment across our six key markets of Canada, the U.S. and the Pacific Alliance countries, which contributes over 80% of the Bank’s earnings. The Bank is positioned for future growth to support our objectives. We saw continued progress in the third quarter. We formalized an agreement to reduce our banking interests in Thailand, which will result in a gain to shareholders and increase our Common Equity Tier 1 capital ratio by 25 basis points. We also announced the sale of our operations in Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands.…

Raj Viswanathan

Management

Thank you, Brian, and good morning, everyone. I’ll begin on slide six. All my comments that follow including the discussion of business line results will be on an adjusted basis that excludes acquisitions and divestiture related amounts. The most significant adjustment this quarter relates to the after tax loss on the announced divestiture of Puerto Rico of $402 million. The Bank delivered $2.5 billion in earnings and diluted EPS of $1.88 for the quarter, up 9% and 7%, respectively, compared to last year. Revenue increased 11% from last year or about 5% excluding the impact of acquisitions and IFRS 15 with strong growth in both net interest income and noninterest revenues. Net interest income was up 7%, driven mostly from the impact of acquisitions. Also contributing to the increase was growth in cars, auto, commercial loans and retail deposits in Canadian Banking and commercial and retail lending in International Banking. These increases were partly offset by lower contributions from asset/liability management activities and the negative impact of foreign currency translation. The core banking margin was slightly lower, 1 basis point versus last year, driven by lower margins in Global Banking and Markets and the impact of a flattening yield curve on our asset/liability management activities compared to last year. This was partly offset by higher margins in International Banking from the change in business mix driven by the acquisitions, and in Canadian Banking from prior rate increases by the Bank of Canada. Noninterest income grew 16% compared to last year with approximately half of this growth driven by acquisitions. The remaining growth was driven by higher banking, wealth management and trading revenues, gains from investments and income from associated corporations. This was partly offset by lower revenues in Global Banking and Markets, primarily from lower underwriting fees and the impact…

Daniel Moore

Management

Thank you, Raj. And I will begin my remarks on slide 13. Our credit quality is high and our underlying credit performance remains stable. The evidence of this is as follows: Stability in our delinquency rates, with improvement in our Canadian Banking business quarter-over-quarter and across most product categories; improving GIL ratios across the Bank. And as Brian mentioned, this will further improve once the announced divestitures of Puerto Rico and El Salvador are completed. Stability in our net write-off ratios is 50 basis points and strong loan loss provision coverage of nine quarters. So, on an all-bank basis, total PCLs of $713 million were down slightly from last quarter, but up 32% year-over-year. Looking deeper this number, roughly two-thirds of the year-over-year increase was due to volume growth and the impact of our acquisitions. Higher provisions on impaired loans compared to last year were primarily driven by retail provisions that were in line with asset growth, as well as the impact of acquisitions. Provisions on performing loans were a recovery, mostly reflecting improving credit quality this quarter, as well as more favorable macroeconomic factors across our diversified portfolio compared to last quarter. The total PCL ratio was 48 basis points, improving by 3 basis points quarter-over-quarter but up 8 basis points year-over-year. Our PCL ratio on impaired loans was 52 basis points, which is up 11 basis points from last year and just slightly above the historical average of 46 basis points. These changes reflect the impact of growth in International Banking. So, we remain confident in our portfolio quality. And given underlying credit quality trends, we expect our impaired PCL ratio to remain stable. Turning now to slide 14. You can see the recent trends in loss ratios for each of our businesses. And on impaired loan basis,…

Brian Porter

Management

Thank you, Daniel. We are pleased with this quarter’s results, which represent a marked improvement from results earlier in the year. We delivered strong EPS growth, our recent acquisitions are contributing ahead of expectations, and we made significant progress towards our geographic repositioning while building capital and improving our risk profile. We are delivering a stronger second half performance in 2019, as I indicated last quarter. Mindful of the lower interest rate environment and emerging macroeconomic risks, we are focused on prioritizing our investment spend, investing effectively, and targeting further productivity improvements. The Bank’s steadily improving capital position provides us with optionality for capital deployment across our high-quality and diversified footprint. With that, I’ll now turn the call over to Raj.

Raj Viswanathan

Management

Thanks, Brian. We’ll now be pleased to take your questions. Please limit yourself to one question and then rejoin the queue to allow everyone the opportunity to participate in the call. We’ll return to make a few closing remarks after the Q&A session. Operator, can we have the first question on the phone, please?

Operator

Operator

Yes. And our first question comes from Steve Theriault with Eight Capital.

Steve Theriault

Analyst

Thanks very much. Lots of focus on margins this quarter. Raj, last quarter, you talked about sustainability of that 4.5% international margin plus or minus 10 basis points. We’re here in Q3, we’re down to 445. You broke out some of that impact. Maybe you could talk a little bit about your outlook. Does that 450 still hold in terms of a boggy as we start to think about next year and your outlook relative to Pacific Alliance and other relevant geographies?

Raj Viswanathan

Management

Sure, Steve. I will start and then Nacho will probably provide some color as well. As you know the all-bank NIM was down only 1 basis point because the Canadian Banking NIM expansion plays a very big part in the all-bank NIM because of the price of the Canadian Bank rather than say, International Banking. So, put it in perspective, International Banking’s NIM reduction which we saw this quarter and down to 445, the year-over-year decline actually benefited the Bank as a whole, simply because of the high margin assets that International Banking has and the portfolio mix. So, that’s to put it just in context. Like I mentioned in my speaking notes that yes, we had indicated plus or minus 10 basis points to 450 after we did the Chile acquisition this time last year. And it’s about 5 basis points below that 450 mark. We expect it to be in the range. But, I’d probably pass it on to Nacho to provide some more color.

Nacho Deschamps

Analyst

Yes. Good morning. We expect it to be in that range, 450 plus-minus 10 bps. Last quarter, it was 8 bps above; this quarter, it’s 5 bps below. This quarter in particular, this lower margin was driven by some margin compression in Mexico, some business mix, wholesale growing faster than retail and also a faster growth of other earning assets as we position ourselves well for lower interest rates. But overall, I remain confident on this range, so 4.5% with plus-minus 10 bps going forward for International Banking.

Steve Theriault

Analyst

And the noise from Mexico this quarter, was that -- in terms of higher cost of funds, was that just competition or was there something else there?

Nacho Deschamps

Analyst

Well, I think there are several things in this quarter. First, we’re comparing a soft quarter in Q3 ‘19 in Mexico with a very strong Q3 ‘18 quarter, really a record year in Mexico. Last quarter, business was strong, but also we had tax benefit last year. So, if you exclude that, Mexico is really flat year-over-year in earnings. And that’s driven, as you say, mostly by margin compression. The market overall, the cost of funds in the market has increased around 40 bps. That’s a matter of term deposit growing faster than checking and savings accounts. And in our case, on the lending side, also corporate short-term growing faster than retail, also other earning assets growing faster than loans. But, we continue to see Mexico -- we continue to see opportunities for us in Mexico and for our customers. As you know, Mexico is an 18% ROE operation. We have significantly improved this with our technology transformation, more than 1,000 bps efficiency improvement. Also, I would say it’s important to highlight that Mexico is 6% of the Bank earnings and the other three Pacific Alliance countries are growing earnings 18% year-over-year. So, overall, we will compensate for a softer Mexico. And I remain confident on our medium-term target of 9% plus earnings -- plus growth in earnings for International Banking.

Steve Theriault

Analyst

Thanks for that color. That’s helpful.

Raj Viswanathan

Management

Operator, can we have the next question on the phone, please?

Operator

Operator

We’ll hear from Robert Sedran with CIBC Capital Markets.

Robert Sedran

Analyst

Hi. Good morning. Brian, you mentioned in your prepared remarks that the renovation is almost finished, I guess. But, now that the capital ratio has been rebuilt, and it’s a couple of years since the big flurry of acquisition activity, are you starting to think again about deepening and adding to the existing footprint, especially in the International Banking side, or is the focus still more on protecting capital and buying back some shares?

Brian Porter

Management

Thank you for the question, Rob. I think, obviously there is a variety of things we can do with capital. We can pay it out in cash dividends, we can repurchase shares, we can build our businesses organically or we can purchase a business. And the reality is we’ve done a mix of all four of these things in the past. In terms of -- we’re very pleased with our integration in Chile and our wealth integrations, as I highlighted in my remarks. Those are going very well and delivering above the metrics that we set out for the financial community. So, we’ve repurchased 10 million shares this year. And we think our stock is very inexpensive here. And in terms of capital going forward, I think, you can think of us repurchasing approximately 4 million shares a quarter. And, our Common Equity Tier 1 ratio, I think that as a management team, we’re comfortable with it around 11.5%, Rob.

Operator

Operator

We’ll now hear from Meny Grauman with Cormark Securities.

Meny Grauman

Analyst

Can you just remind us about what do you expect the loss earnings stream from Thailand to be, and then how much of that EPS impact do you expect to the offset by buybacks in 2020?

Raj Viswanathan

Management

Sure. I’ll go with that, Meny, and see if I can provide some color and restate some of the messages we’ve had in the past. So, Thanachart Bank, as you know, has got a lot of moving parts. We still have two subsidiaries which are yet to be sold. And then, we have rate interest [ph] of about 6% in the combined bank. So, with that context, Thanachart Bank, if you look back on an average, contributes between $250 million to $300 million of NIAT. For the year, we have slightly higher earnings, this particular year in 2019, as I mentioned in the previous call, it can be lumpy, some of the movements that happen in the Thanachart Bank. But I think as a run rate, $300 million is probably a right number to use. And that is approximately a little over $0.20 on the EPS. As you mentioned, some of it is buybacks to contribute to offsetting some of the EPS impact in 2020. We’ll provide a more wholesome update I would suggest in the investor day or in the Q4 call when we go through, but those are probably the numbers here, I think you can use looking forward.

Meny Grauman

Analyst

Okay. And then, just a follow-up. You talked about acquisitions expected to contribute $250 million in earnings in ‘19 and then $400 million in 2020. Can you just help triangulate that in terms of the previous guidance, especially for 2020 of $0.15, and what’s driving the delta here, what’s the reason for an increased estimate?

Raj Viswanathan

Management

Sure, Meny. It’s Raj again. I’ll go again on that. So, in our previous guidance we have provided that all the acquisitions, which is the wealth, as well as our international acquisitions, will be neutral to the EPS in 2019. Based on the numbers we’ve seen for three quarters and what we estimate for Q4, we think it will be a slightly positive contribution to the 2019 EPS, roughly about $0.02. And like you pointed out, 2020, we’d indicated approximately $0.15 to the diluted adjusted EPS. We think it’s going to be slightly higher than that. A lot of it is driven by better performance, not necessarily in Chile, which we talk about a lot, but our wealth acquisitions are doing better than we have previously estimated and what we have put in our models, and we did the acquisition. The acquisition costs are tracking to exactly where we thought it will be; it’s actually couple of million dollars off which is great when the number is over $250 million. But, it’s more the revenue synergies. And certainly, we talked about Chile, for example, how two banks with 7% market share is adding up to greater than 14%. So, it’s coming through. And we are very optimistic about how these acquisitions will contribute to our NIAT in 2020 as well. And that’s why we think it’s going to be greater than $0.15.

Operator

Operator

We’ll hear from Doug Young with Desjardins Capital Markets.

Doug Young

Analyst

Just maybe going back, Brian, to one of the comments you made in your opening remarks. You said repositioning of the geographic footprint is substantially completed. Can you maybe flush out a little bit more about what else are you thinking on that front?

Brian Porter

Management

Well, not a whole lot. As I chose my words carefully, we are largely done. There might be a couple other small properties that are immaterial to the Bank from a P&L standpoint. But we’re very pleased with what we’ve accomplished, the results. And it’s not just -- I know that equity analysts are going to focus on loss NIAT, and that’s obviously important, and we’re focused on that as well too. But, we also think of this from an operational risk standpoint, a country risk standpoint, geopolitical risk, and we’ve reduced this for the Bank significantly. So, in Raj’s comments and my comments, we speak about just Puerto Rico and El Salvador, the sale of those two smaller jurisdictions, is a reduction of GILs of 10% for the overall Bank. So, that’s significant. Operational risk is really important, given our footprint. So, you’re not going to see anything else of any consequence. Anything else that gets done is -- it’s going to be immaterial, or what I would describe as housekeeping, Doug. But, we’re pleased with our accomplishments and the status of our footprint today.

Doug Young

Analyst

And if I can sneak just one in for Nacho. It looks like you mentioned Peru -- or as Mexico earnings were down and you gave a description of that, it looks like Peru was -- and I guess, it was growing from an earnings perspective but not as much as I would have anticipated. I don’t know if there is some noise in the Peru results that you can kind of unpack as well?

Nacho Deschamps

Analyst

Yes. It’s a little bit difficult to see the year-over-year performance of Peru, basically because we have timing of recoveries between Q2 and Q3, and acquisition-related PCLs. But if you normalize this impact, Peru has had a very strong quarter, year-over-year earnings underlying are double-digit growth. And you can see that because revenues are growing 13% year-over-year and 10% Q-over-Q. Operating leverage was positive 1.5%. Even when Peru has had an efficiency ratio of 35% and loan growth came back after two soft years, 3% growth Q-over-Q, 11% deposit growth. So, I’m very confident that Peru will continue to grow double-digit comp going forward, especially because we expect economy of Peru also to strengthen, next year.

Operator

Operator

You’ll hear from Gabriel Dechaine with National Bank Financial.

Gabriel Dechaine

Analyst

Good morning. I just want to ask about Canada actually for Dan. It’s been a year where the operating leverage I think has been positive for the year, but that’s really a reflection of negative or slightly negative expense growth that’s offset a weaker top-line. I’m just wondering what your outlook is for the business into 2020? How sustainable these expense growth rates are? And what the plan is to get the top line moving again? And I’m looking at it, excluding real estate gains in the prior year. It’s positive revenue growth, but still a little bit on the low side.

Dan Rees

Analyst

Hi. It’s Dan here. Thanks, Gabriel, for the question. Our intent is to finish this year, fiscal ‘19 and fiscal ‘20 with positive operating leverage for the full year. And this quarter, we were particularly pleased to have met our productivity ratio target to the Street of 45%, a full year ahead of schedule. As you mentioned, expenses were a significant contributor to progress on both of those metrics, which leads me to a few comments about revenue. My number one priority in the Canadian Bank is to continue to grow the commercial bank at above average levels. And you saw good results from us this quarter. Retail revenue, however, requires more attention. In retail, we have more opportunity in credit cards and in insurance in select areas as well as in small business. And you’ll see us continue to tilt a little bit further towards deepening relationships with existing customers and redefining the opportunity around the household. We have lots of room to grow in terms of product market share gain where we have attractive risk-related returns and ROEs. So, my outlook for next year is to see higher retail revenue growth and continue to see full year positive operating leverage.

Gabriel Dechaine

Analyst

I know we’re limited in questions here. So, I’ll just sneak a housekeeping one. The IFRS 16 and securitization impact, for Raj, in Q1?

Raj Viswanathan

Management

Yes. Sure, Gabe. I’ll go with that. I think, the impact to us is expected to be between 15, no higher than 20 basis points, and that’s primarily related to IFRS 16 and securitization. We have limited impact on the counterparty credit risk changes that have happened, because we are one of the banks which are on what we call the IMM model. So, there shouldn’t be much impact on transition. And the capital plans contemplate that in 2020. And we expect to be at the levels that Brian mentioned earlier, in spite of this, which will impact our Q1 ratios.

Operator

Operator

Scott Chan with Canaccord Genuity. Go ahead, please.

Scott Chan

Analyst

Good morning. Brian, I just want to go back to the fiscal 2020 updated earnings adjusted accretion guidance. It looks like it’s kind of more than double the $0.15. And you talked about BBVA Chile being okay, but commented on wealth being better. And I’m assuming that’s kind of driving that variance. And within wealth, what is driving the variance? Is that asset retention, net sales or expense efficiencies? Maybe you can just maybe talk a bit through that for us.

Raj Viswanathan

Management

So, I’ll take that, Scott. It’s Raj. And I’ll see if I can give you some color about the numbers and how they work out. As you know, we issued stock against a couple of these acquisitions. So, when we talk about $0.15 and diluted EPS, they issued stock which is approximately 34 million shares plays into the calculation. The actual, if you just look at NIAT contribution of all the acquisitions, it will be double that; it will be over $0.30 of EPS. So, hypothetically, if we had bought it for cash, it will be $0.30 EPS contribution in 2020. But, we have the stock that we need to consider that we issue that reduces it to the $0.15 to slightly above $0.15, we think it will be for next year. As far as the acquisition contributions, the $250 million that Brian referenced in his comments is higher, like I mentioned, $0.02, probably to the 2019 EPS, in that range and higher than the $0.15. And that’s equally distributed. If I look at the wealth results right through till Q3, it’s about $75 million of NIAT contribution, which is $85 million we got from the International Banking acquisition. So, it’s kind of tracking along considering the capital that we deployed the split between wealth and the International business. And specifically on the wealth, it’s all the items that you mentioned. It is about synergies that we are achieving. And Glen might want to add some color attached to it, once I’m done. But it’s also got to do with AUM growth and the business performing better than what we had first estimated. Glen?

Glen Gowland

Analyst

Sure. And just to add to that. So, we’re seeing good organic growth across the business. So, if we look at the underlying businesses themselves, on the distribution side, very strong double-digit growth in our investment counsel business, our private banking businesses. On the asset management side, we’ve had outstanding investment results, as well as being in key areas. We’re closing in on a $1 billion in our liquid alternative launch. So, very strong growth across there. And then, as mentioned earlier on the acquisition side, client retention, any measure, expense revenue synergy all is going very well. But, I think as we look forward, we’ve got private banking and a number of the wealth services now across our footprint in our MD offices, as well as Jarislowsky Fraser. And those are really just building momentum. So, we would expect that to continue.

Operator

Operator

We’ll hear from Sohrab Movahedi with BMO Capital Markets.

Sohrab Movahedi

Analyst

Thanks. Nacho, just with the overall volume growth organically and with -- we’re going to lap the benefit of the BBVA Chile acquisition. But, when you just think about what Brian said, call it 3% plus or minus GDP growth in the Pacific Alliance region that you participate in. Do you think you are going to be able to maintain this organic, call it, high single digit, low double digit loan growth, given that NIM guidance of 450, plus or minus 10 basis points?

Nacho Deschamps

Analyst

Good morning, Sohrab. Yes, I’m quite confident. Loan growth in International Banking has been quite strong, 3% this quarter. And it’s interesting to even highlight Mexico, which is softer, but in terms of lending demand, this is 120 million people, large domestic market. We saw retail growth at 3% Q-over-Q and wholesale at 4% Q-over-Q. That is consistent also with what we are seeing in Peru, in Chile, in Colombia. So, overall, I’m confident that we will be able to continue growing assets in the Pacific Alliance countries at double-digit growth, going forward.

Sohrab Movahedi

Analyst

And Nacho, just to be clear, you are a top three bank in Chile, you are a top three bank in Peru. You still expect to be able to grow at a healthy rate in those geographies as well as Colombia and Mexico?

Nacho Deschamps

Analyst

Yes, definitely. I would say -- let me start with Chile. As Brian mentioned, we have one, 20 bps of combined market share of these new very large banks. And this is -- the asset growth in the market is at that pace and we expect to do even a little better than the market. And Peru is back. Peru, remember, the past two years, Peru was soft. The market had a hard time to grow for some quarters. Now, Peru is growing at solid double-digit earnings, and driven mainly by retail asset growth, but also corporate and commercial is coming back. So, we expect a better year for Peru in 2022.

Operator

Operator

We’ll hear from Mario Mendonca with TD Securities.

Mario Mendonca

Analyst

Good morning. Brian, you’ve made obviously a lot of big changes to the Bank. And I think you highlighted for us that you’re pleased with how it’s adjusted the risk profile of the Bank. And when I hear something like that, I immediately think of tradeoffs. What was the tradeoff in taking the risk profile of the Bank down the way you had over the last few years? What have you really given up or do you -- obviously, you’re pleased with the tradeoff, but what have you given up do you perceive?

Brian Porter

Management

Well, I think, if you look at -- thank you for the question, Mario. If you look at GBM for instance, the repositioning in that business at trade finance in Asia, changing our business model around the [indiscernible] business. So, those took some time and they took some effort and refocusing those businesses. But, it gives us a better risk profile. If you look at our RWA density over the last year, that’s improved, I think, I have at the top of my head, something like 8%. And we continue to make strides in that. And so, as I’ve said before, we’re mindful of economic conditions here. But, we haven’t reached for a business. And we’re downturn ready. And we’re not forecasting a recession by any measure. But, at some stage, the cycle will turn. And we’ll feel good about that from the perspective of our risk profile as much cleaner as a bank, operational risk is cleaner, all those things. So, you’ll forgo a little bit of net income along the way, but you’ll sleep better at night, to answer your question.

Mario Mendonca

Analyst

And do you feel like you’ve given up long-term growth potential for the Bank, like a few points as a result of this?

Brian Porter

Management

Not at all. If you go back to my remarks in our annual report four or five years ago, I outlined that we were going to increase our penetration in the P&C businesses and wealth management. And that’s not because we don’t like the capital markets business, we do, but we want the capital markets to deliver more consistency and predictability in terms of NIAT. And that’s exactly what we’ve done. Chile is a country we’re very comfortable operating in. And you’re seeing that in our accretion numbers of putting these two businesses together. So, it’s about consistency and predictability and high quality growth. And as the countries of Colombia, Peru and Chile are going to grow at 3% plus next year on any sort of global metric, that’s a really good number and it’s a good place for us to be, and we know how to execute.

Mario Mendonca

Analyst

And just finally, when you look at 2020, there are so many moving parts. I appreciate the difficulty it creates for us on the outlook looking again. Is there anything you can offer us? Does 2020 feel like a year when earnings, EPS growth -- there will be EPS growth or should we sort of see it as a transition because there’s ins and outs and really the growth resumes in 2021?

Brian Porter

Management

Well, I think in terms of our footprint, there will be growth in 2020. There is no question about that. I think, what you’re seeing is a divergence globally of the corporate economy and the retail economy, if I can use those words. And so, corporate spending might come off a bit here. You’re seeing that in the UK. But, the consumer is still strong. So, if you cut rates from 2 to 1.75 that might not mean a lot to a corporation, but it does to an individual. And so, the consumer -- and that’s why I made my opening comments, if you look at Canada, the unemployment rates are at a 40-year low, wages are growing at 4%, mortgage rates are inexpensive, on any historic basis, fuel prices, energy prices are low. It’s a sweet spot for the consumer. And not just here in Canada, in the U.S. you are seeing it, and globally. So, that’s why Nacho is positive about loan growth in the Pacific Alliance countries, both on a commercial corporate and retail basis. So, we’re optimistic about the growth profile of this Bank.

Mario Mendonca

Analyst

Okay. Thank you.

Raj Viswanathan

Management

All right. Thank you everyone for participating in our call today. We delivered solid third quarter results. And on behalf of the entire management team, we want to thank all our employees for their hard work. The Bank has made good progress towards strengthening our businesses and offering a superior customer experience. We remain focused on delivering against our differentiated strategy and achieving consistent, long-term growth. We look forward to speaking with all others again in November. Thank you very much.