James O'Leary
Analyst · ROTH Capital Partners
Sure. I'm glad you asked. And if you don't mind, at the risk of filibustering a little bit, we'll give you the background and why we thought it was worth mentioning. Only thing, not to correct you, but we have been talking about defense pretty extensively in NobelClad. But you're right, first time we mentioned it at DynaEnergetics -- no apologies necessary. But -- so we have been spending a lot of time turning over stones, looking at capabilities, all under the auspices of diversification. And as you know and most of our shareholders know, in the perforation segment, we're one of the more -- in fact, I think we're one of the few fully integrated manufacturers of systems. And when we looked at where we would have other applications, geothermal is one, which we've talked about and defense, particularly, and you're right, it's the detonators, it's for drones. It's less for people like Teledyne or some of the established primes than it is for something that there's an article every single day in one of the mainstream newspapers. I think there's one today on -- in the Wall Street Journal about unconventional warfare, drones, both aerial and maritime drones. And that is something that we think we have some unique capabilities for. They are not perfect. They don't fit like hand in glove yet, but it has been worth us spending the time. And the reason we mentioned it, particularly in Dyna, is it actually wasn't a small number. It wasn't material the way you think about it in the 10-Q, 10-K aspect. But it was about $0.75 million. And we thought we should call it out for 2 reasons. Number one, when you're doing your modeling, I back your margins off a little bit. It was -- this was kind of a bluebird that flew in the window. So when you kind of extrapolate the margins for DynaEnergetics, 50 to 100 basis points, I bring them down a little bit because we don't have anything in the guidance for defense. And we're really debating whether or not we put anything in the budget for next year, which obviously, we'll talk about quarter-to-quarter when we're into 2027. But the reason we thought it was worth mentioning, number one, we don't want you modeling it and coming up with a number that's going to make you look silly at the end of the day. And this is more -- you've been around this company and the stock a lot longer than I have. When you look at the history of DMC Global, both for DynaEnergetics and NobelClad, every couple of years, something comes up out of the blue where it could end up being meaningful. We don't want people to be surprised to think we're working on things and we don't leave any breadcrumbs or Easter eggs around. When you look at the history of Dyna, with DynaStage, NobelClad has many of these, if you go back a decade or so, where our applications and our capabilities are so unique and eclectic. Every now and then something comes out of the blue, and it's a real positive surprise. We've had a lot of negative surprises in the last couple of years. So we thought we should call out one of the positive surprises. Again, nothing that we can scope, nothing that we can give you the hard numbers on. But again, it was meaningful enough where we don't want it distorting your guidance, and we're excited about it. It's just -- you said it's early. We're not even in the second half of the first inning. So it's very early, but we're working hard at it. And the one thing we called out specifically the NobelClad backlog for our applications in naval, particularly submarines, the backlog we've got there is meaningful. And the only thing that keeps it from being bigger, and again, it's not a next quarter or hopefully, it is a next year thing, but still too early. Between the Hanwha Yard in Philadelphia, the Anduril investment in Maryland, the first 2 meaningful investments in naval capabilities as far as building submarines and ships have been in the last 2 years. So that's one is probably more tangible and we're equally excited about. But hopefully, we can turn these opportunities into something meaningful for our investors.