Good day everyone and welcome to the Boot Barn Holdings' Fourth Quarter 2023 Earnings Call. As a reminder, this call is being recorded. Now, I'd like to turn the conference over to your host Mr. Mark Dedovesh, Vice President of Financial Planning. Please go ahead, sir.

Thank you. Good afternoon everyone. Thank you for joining us today to discuss Boot Barn's fourth quarter and fiscal 2023 earnings results. With me on today's call are Jim Conroy, President and Chief Executive Officer; Greg Hackman, Executive Vice President and Chief Operating Officer; and Jim Watkins, Chief Financial Officer. A copy of today's press release along with a supplemental financial presentation is available on the Investor Relations section of Boot Barn website at bootbarn.com. Shortly after we end this call, a recording of the call will be available as a replay for 30 days on the Investor Relations section of the company's website. I would like to remind you that certain statements we will make in this presentation are forward-looking statements. These forward-looking statements reflect Boot Barn's judgment and analysis only as of today and actual results may differ materially from current expectations based on a number of factors affecting Boot Barn's business. Accordingly, you should not place undue reliance on these forward-looking statements. For a more thorough discussion of the risks and uncertainties associated with the forward-looking statements to be made during this conference call and webcast, we refer you to the disclaimer regarding forward-looking statements that is included in our fourth quarter and fiscal 2023 earnings release, as well as our filings with the SEC referenced in that disclaimer. We do not undertake any obligation to update or alter any forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events, or otherwise. I will now turn the call over to Jim Conroy, Boot Barn's President and Chief Executive Officer. Jim?

Thank you, Mark and good afternoon. Thank you everyone for joining us. On this call, I'll review our fiscal 2023 and fourth quarter results, discuss the progress we have made across each of our four strategic initiatives, and provide an update on current business. Following my remarks, Jim Watkins will review our financial performance in more detail, and then we will open the call up for questions. Fiscal 2023 was a solid year for Boot Barn as we achieved record sales, opened 45 new stores, and continue to expand product margin. I am proud of the entire Boot Barn team for driving these results and for holding on to the outsized gains from the prior year. Fiscal 2023 total sales grew 11.4% on top of 67% growth in the prior year, driven primarily by strong sales from new stores opened over the past 12 months. Consolidated same-store sales were flat to the prior year, which was comprised of 1.8% retail store same-store sales growth and a 10% decline online. The stores comp is notable as we cycled a 57% comp growth in the store last year. Similarly, while our online business declined, that business is cycling two very strong years of 39% and 24% comp growth in fiscal 2022 and fiscal 2021, respectively. Given the extraordinary revenue increase last year, we are quite pleased with these results. In addition to the sales performance, we were able to grow our product margin for the year by 30 basis points, primarily through growth in our exclusive brand penetration. This margin expansion was offset by 100 basis points of freight headwinds, resulting in a net 70 basis point reduction in merchandise margin. To put our sales and margin results in perspective, over the past five years, Boot Barn revenue has more than doubled,…

Thank you, Jim. In the fourth quarter, net sales increased 11% to $426 million. As Jim mentioned, our sales performance benefited from new stores opened over the past 12 months and the sales contribution from the 53rd week, partially offset by a same-store sales decline of 5.5%. Gross profit increased 5% to $156 million or 36.6% of sales compared to gross profit of $149 million or 38.8% of sales in the prior year period. The 220 basis point decrease in gross profit rate resulted from a 120 basis point decline in merchandise margin rate and a 100 basis points -- and 100 basis points of deleverage in buying, occupancy and distribution center costs. The decline in merchandise margin rate was driven by a 140 basis point headwind from higher freight expense, partially offset by 30 basis points of product margin expansion resulting from growth in exclusive brand penetration. Lower than expected freight expense was the primary driver of the beat to guidance on the merchandise margin line. As sales slowed during the quarter, we sold fewer high freight inventory items through the P&L compared to our expectations, resulting in lower freight expense. Looking forward, we expect freight expense to be a benefit to fiscal year 2024 merchandise margin of approximately 100 basis points, recapturing the 100 basis point headwind from fiscal 2023. Selling, general, and administrative expenses for the quarter were $93 million or 21.9% of sales compared to $86 million or 22.6% of sales in the prior year period. We leveraged SG&A expense primarily as a result of lower incentive-based compensation, marketing expenses, and leverage from the 14th week. Income from operations was $63 million or 14.7% of sales in the quarter compared to $62 million or 16.3% of sales in the prior year period. Net income was $46…

Thank you, Jim. We are pleased with our fiscal 2023 results and believe we are well positioned to continue our growth. During fiscal 2023, we accelerated new store openings with the 45 new stores across the country, through product margin for the seventh consecutive year and expanded the penetration of exclusive brands by a record 570 basis points. With new stores continuing to well exceed our financial targets and our growing store footprint, providing even greater integration with our digital channel, we are confident the business is on course to deliver profitable market share gains and increased shareholder value. I'm very proud of the entire team across the country, I want to thank you all for your continued hard work and execution. I also would like to take a brief moment to publicly express my gratitude to Greg Hackman, who will be retiring this summer. Greg has had a significant impact on the growth of the company and on the personal development of executives. Thank you, Greg, for all that you have done for Boot Barn, for your team and for me personally. Now, I would like to open the call to take your questions. Shamali?

Thank you. And at this time, we will be conducting a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Matthew Boss with JPMorgan. Please proceed with your question.

Great. Thanks. So maybe, Jim, as we think about FY 2024 comps, and I think, guided down 5.5% at the midpoint. Two questions. So, can you speak to trends that you're seeing today across your existing legacy customers versus new customers that you've acquired, just the general trend across both? And then as we think about the guide in terms of the first quarter of 2024 relative to the back half, if you could just help us bottoms-up build same-store sales as the year progresses 1Q relative to assumptions baked into the back half? I think that would really help.

Sure, I'll take the first piece of it. It's hard to split out the comp between new and legacy customers. I wouldn't read much into a slightly negative comp after we cycled last year's 53.7%, even if we give a little bit of that back, it's not like there's this massive exodus of customers from our database. In fact, we called out ongoing growth in our customer count. And if we look at our stores, specifically, our stores were up 57% last year and still positive in fiscal 2023. So, I think what might be happening if you think about what many other companies are calling out with some softness in March and April, it may just be sort of the natural downdraft that we're seeing in retail. And while some very marquee companies have called out softer business in the spring, companies that we have a great deal of respect for, they weren't even cycling the numbers that we were cycling. So, the fact that we're down just slightly when the rest of the world of retail seems to be down just like. And our LOI compares are sort of higher than everybody else, we honestly are not worried about sort of a slow decline for the next several years. I think this could just be a small -- for a transitory amount of time.

And Matt, I'll take the second part. The -- in guiding the year, we used the last few months of sales volume and projected the sales for the balance of the year using the historical weekly sales penetration. And so as that flows out through the year, the second quarter stores are going to -- the comp is going to look similar to the first quarter stores comp with e-com improving to run flat in that second quarter. As we get to Q3 and Q4, the stores get better, but they're still projected to be down in that mid-single-digit range, better than what we'll see in Q1 and Q2, but still not positive and e-comm improved to a plus mid-single-digit.

Great. And then maybe just a follow-up. As we think about the profitability side, could you just speak or elaborate to promotional behavior that you're seeing today within your own business? Or what you're seeing in the larger Western wear industry? Or just what gives you confidence in the 150 basis points of merchandise margin expansion in FY 2024 despite the -- it sounds like a little bit of a softer demand backdrop?

Sure, I would say that the Western industry's promotional tenor is similar to pre-pandemic times, right, with a relatively modest amount of sales and promotions across the industry, perhaps more promotional than two years ago when sales were strong across the industry. But nothing really out of the question or out of the ordinary. And maybe the follow-up point to that is, regardless of what the rest of the industry does, we never really chase a promotion or a sale or a reduction in prices across -- from any of our competitors. We think the Boot Barn proposition goes far beyond sort of a short-term reduction in price. And when we look at the health of our inventory, we see no reason to make any significant reductions to move through product. So, we're going to continue with our full price selling philosophy. We're going to continue to drive exclusive brands. We get a nice tailwind for this year. So, we're looking forward to, I guess, an eighth consecutive year of margin expansion.

And Matt, just to add on to that, the 150 basis points of merch margin expansion does include the 100 basis points of freight tailwind for the year. So, it is 50 basis points of product margin that we're guiding to and with exclusive brand penetration growth of 400 basis points for the year, that's when driving a lot of that product margin expansion.

Great. Best of luck.

Thanks Matt.

Our next question comes from the line of Steven Zaccone with Citi. Please proceed with your question.

Great. Good afternoon. Thanks for taking my question. I wanted to follow-up on Matt's question about same-store sales. What have you seen from a category performance thus far in the first quarter? And can you talk about your expectations from a category perspective for the year? And then just also, how do we think about ticket versus transaction performance within the guidance range?

Sure. On the second part, I guess we don't really outline our guidance in traffic versus ticket, but we expect to see continued pressure probably low single-digit in traffic or average transactions per store with a higher ticket for most of the year. At some point, we'll cycle the increases that we had or the inflationary price increases we took last year. In terms of category by category, it's -- some of the businesses that are less discretionary, more staple-type products are continue to do better. What men's Western apparel has seen a slight sequential improvement from the fourth quarter into the first quarter, men's Western boots roughly flat for the first quarter-to-date. The businesses that are down in any significant way are -- continue to be more discretionary purchases, at least in general. So, Lady's boots and ladies apparel continue to be softer. Ladies apparel is down, call it, 12 points or so. Ladies western boots is high single-digit declines. I always feel obligated to remind the call that the ladies business is up against just enormous growth numbers in both boots and apparel. If I look at Q4, ladies apparel, just as an example, in Q4, it was up against an 83% growth last year and a 43% growth the prior year. So, if we wind up giving 10 or 15 points of that back, internally within the four walls of the company, we won't get that fussed over that, right? We just grew at 40% and then 80% on top of that. So, giving a little bit of a back is almost expected. And when we put it all together, if we end up with a modest decline in same-store sales, coming off of the years and most recent couple of years, I think we should feel pretty good about that.

Just to follow-up on that comment. What gives you confidence that it's not fashion risk to the business, right? Like some of the discretionary categories are slowing now, do you think that potentially fashion is working against you, whereas last year, maybe a couple of years, it's worked for you?

Well, actually, I would say it is fashion working against us. I mean we've seen some really upsized growth in the ladies business. Now, being mindful of the fact that we're overly generalizing and there's a tremendous amount of our ladies categories that are basic product for women that are working, riding horses, et cetera. But there is sort of a layer on top of that that we believe was helping us from a fashion sense in the last couple of years. If you go back several quarters, we said it was probably an 8% help. We haven't quantified it, but that 8% help has probably turned against us. I would point you to page 12 in the supplemental deck that would point to how small the fashion component is within our assortment and how it's sort of diluted down or really dominated by the more functional product. The second thing I feel obligated to call out is, historically, there's been a lot of dialogue around our outsized growth being driven by fashion or television shows or something. And one of the things we tried to do this quarter is to validate whether that's true or not. So, there's not a tremendous amount of publicly available data, but there are for companies that sell product that we sell. And if there was this massive fashion trend or macro cycle based on a television show, you'd see everybody seeing that same growth. And again, if you go back to that same document, I just pointed you to on page 10, you'll see that the growth we experienced just far outpaces anything that anybody else has seen in the industry, which I think speaks mostly to the execution of the people with at Boot Barn, not some sort of artificial transitory piece of fashion.

Okay. Thanks for the detail. I'll cede the floor.

Thanks Steve.

Our next question is -- I'm sorry. Our next question comes from the line of Peter Keith with Piper Sandler. Please proceed with your question.

Hey, thanks. Good afternoon everyone. I wanted to look at the recent store growth that you have. So you've accelerated up to kind of mid-teens unit growth this past year and expect that to continue. The stores are coming out pretty strong out of the gate, but historically, your new stores have comped double digit in year two. What are you expecting from a maturation angle from this most recent batch of openings the last 12 to 18 months?

Yes, you're right. The stores have gotten out of the gate extremely quickly. The first year performance has been a little bit more in line with sort of the chain comp. So, when we're comping slightly positive last year, they were comping slightly positive. We haven't seen a great waterfall for those recent openings. I do think there's been a lot of other sort of macro things moving around. So, we'll see what happens as we continue to open up stores over the next couple of years. But we continue to be very enthusiastic about the new store openings, pipeline that we have. We're on pace now for opening up a store a week, so that will be about 100 stores over the next two years and add, call it, $350 million worth of revenue and the flow through along with that. So, we're excited about the growth prospects going forward.

Okay, great. And then just looking back at the falloff in comp trend that happened in March and particularly at retail. I guess there's been a debate that I've had with investors in recent weeks around the weather impact and all of the rain out West. Do you think that actually impacted demand, either positively or negatively at all in the last two months?

Well, as you know, we tend to not use weather very often as a reason or rationale for much of anything. So, I think over periods of time, of course, it normalizes. I do think if your question is specifically around California, the challenge that we're seeing in California was we have gone from drought to torrential downpours. And we often talk about it as the impact it will have on a particular customer. But in the extremes that we've seen, the impact that it's having is on the farming industry. So, during the drought, we had a more difficult agricultural market in the Central Valley, for example, which is one of our strongholds of stores. And then as the rain started to come, we thought that would help that market. It's unclear what that will be going forward because they've had so much rain that we've seen farmland now flooded. So, those businesses, we have two specific districts in California that are being impacted and they're down, call it, 15% or so, and they're very high-volume districts. But we'll get through that, whether that's in two months or six months will be on the other side of the weather. And those businesses, as you know well, Peter, have been perennial strongholds and just real great growth drivers for us for five or more years coming into this period, and the team will pick up from -- once the weather passes, and we're pretty certain we'll start to see growth there again.

Okay, very good. Thank you very much.

Thanks Peter.

Our next question comes from the line of Max Rakhlenko with TD Cowen. Please proceed with your question.

Hey, thanks a lot guys. So, first, can you speak to your new customer counts on a same-store basis compared to where you were pre pandemic? Are your new shoppers behaving similar or showing any differences versus the legacy shoppers? And then just your confidence in being able to hold on to them when the Western cycle does inevitably slow?

Max, can you repeat the first part of your first question, it cut out on us?

Sorry about that. Just your customer accounts on a same-store basis because you typically speak to it overall, and obviously, you've grown a lot of stores. So, just curious what they look like on a same-store basis.

I'm not sure had that number specifically at hand. I guess what we could point you to is new stores grew 15%. And of course, the customer count in new stores on average would be less than a legacy store. And our B Rewarded customer count grew 22%. So, we've seen more customers just mathematically on an average store basis at bare minimum on the delta between those two different numbers. On the second piece, yes. I think -- again, there's been a lot of conversation around all the help that fashion trends have given us. The businesses that we would consider fashionable right now are undoubtedly headwinds to our comp and were in the fourth quarter for sure. So, I'm not sure there's a big shift that will be seen. And candidly, I kind of come back to the comments I made earlier, a lot of the other companies in our space didn't see the growth that we saw that you would have expected if it was a Western wear trend across retail. Again, I would point you to point to page 10, where our growth sort of considerably outpaced, the only four companies we can get data on from a public company standpoint, and these are great companies, extremely well run, great partners to us, but we certainly were able to outpace whatever underlying fashion cycle there was. But that whatever fashion cycle, there may have been is no longer here. We're certainly up against these outsized growth rates, particularly in ladies apparel, which has a portion of that that is fashion.

Got it, okay. And then what do you attribute the acceleration in exclusive brand mix in 4Q? And then it looks like that you raised your exclusive brand penetration growth for 2024 for the first time in a while. So, just is there anything that you're seeing differently? Are the shoppers may be behaving a little bit differently? Thanks a lot.

I think our new stores just continue to build -- I'm sorry, our new brands continue to build momentum. Historically, we had six brands, then we launched 4 brands in the last 18 months or so. And when we launch a new brand, it starts off small to medium sized and then continues to get more traction and is added into more categories. So, that part of the business will continue to grow. We expect it to grow again this year. It has exceeded all of our expectations that we had five years ago and two years ago and last year. Customers are really responding to them. And they've -- they're just great complements to the third-party brands that we have out there. So, most of our big brands and the names that you would know, that our third-party brands, continue to see growth with us. And the exclusive brands are, in general, taking share from secondary or tertiary or certainly non-strategic brands out there. So, we're excited to see that part of the business continue to grow. You can only buy that product at Boot Barn. It's financially accretive, of course, as you well know. So, we'll continue to build that business and work it into the assortment to a point where we ultimately say, yes, we've hit a ceiling in a particular category and then we'll slow down, but I don't see that happening for a few years.

Sorry. Just on that last point, does the ceiling change at all? Or is it sort of similar as what you thought a year or two years or three years ago?

I think the ceiling has continued to be increased, if you will -- 10 years ago, and I know that was in your question. But 10 years ago, we thought, well, maybe something we could give a 20% and could we do that and still maintain a compelling assortment and a house of brands commitment to our customers and then we kind of marched right through the 20%. Then candidly, what happened was COVID hit and that challenged supply chain. So, it gave us a unplanned experiment where we had access to exclusive brands and less access to third-party brands. And that really resulted in a very nice increase in our exclusive brand penetration. At the same time, sales were growing 50%, 55%. So, when we put those two facts together, we say, well, look, we can double the business in three years and grow exclusive brands. We certainly don't see them as a detriment to topline growth. If you -- if I really had to answer that question, I have to go -- and I won't do this on the public call, I promised I'd have to go category by category because there are certain departments or certain parts of our business that are dominated by a brand or two and others that have much less national brand strength where the ceiling would be higher. So, -- and as a company, our ceiling would be composite number of rolling up all those departments.

Got it. Its very helpful. Thanks a lot guys and best regards.

Thank you.

Our next question comes from the line of Jonathan Komp with Baird. Please proceed with your question.

Yes, hi. Good afternoon. I wanted to just ask a broader question. The whole increase in unit volumes that you've seen in the past few years. It looks like you're embedding about 4.4 million mature store unit volumes for the year ahead. Just any change in your confidence in holding that level? And then as you think about the build for this year based on the weekly sales trends, any perspective you can provide? Does that give enough room if unemployment starts to tick up or how have you factored in any sort of macro sensitivity?

So, for the folks on the call, Jon is alluding to a slide in the supplemental presentation, page 11, which is similar -- slightly different but similar to a slide that we've used in the past. That says, look, we've had a step-up in the average sales per store and it's now been 24 months. And while we're down slightly from a comp basis that 4.6 has gone to 4.4 that triangulates to roughly a negative five comp. We expect that business to stay in the 4.4-ish range going forward, which is kind of this bar chart and the same-store sales guide that's out there. Could it be better than that? It probably. I think we are trying to keep an eye on what's happening from a macro standpoint, some of the softness in the discretionary categories, some of the things that the sort of mega cap retailers are calling out who have insight into a much broader portion of the population. So, we're trying to keep a little bit. If you look at our guide, our guide is more conservative than our current quarter and I think that's the gap.

Yes, thank you. That's helpful. And then maybe question just on the margin profile. It looks like you're rebasing this year around 12% operating margin, give or take. Any perspective you can share just quantifying how much additional expense that includes from the step-up in unit growth and the distribution center? And then as we think out to 2025 and beyond, is it realistic to think you get back to your long-term earnings algorithm after the reset this year?

Yes, Jon, just walking you through some of the move out of the occupancy deleverage and the negative same-store sales guide for the year is worth around 60 basis points. If you look at the acceleration of getting us from ramping up the new store growth from 10% to 15% is a step-up that cost us about 50 basis points on that occupancy deleverage. The Kansas City distribution center is about 35 basis points of that deleverage. And that's one where once we get that up to full run rate, we're expecting to see some relief from freight expenses. We're shipping from the center of the country now. So, again, as we get to fiscal 2025, that will be full run rate in helping us. We've got some remodels that we're doing to get some of our stores, approximately 30 to 35 stores brand right. And so that's in there, that's a step-up from last year that's costing us about 20 basis points. And then there's a lapping of the 53rd week is about 15 basis points. So, I think just from a margin perspective, those are some of the things that are dragging this year, and that's outlined in that leverage point slide that we put together. As we turn to the following year, whether we get back to the kind of the algorithm, assuming the topline recovers and gets back to the growth that we've outlined of the low to mid-single-digit same-store sales growth, the expectation would be to continue at 15% new unit growth into the future. And so that's a little bit more of a drag on occupancy, at least initially until we can get that full run rate but there's no reason to think that we wouldn't get back to that algorithm.

If I could just add to the commentary around the algorithm, I think we often use the algorithm term as an abbreviation for our same-store sales growth. If we went through the original algorithm, it assumed 10% new unit growth with new stores doing $1.7 million, and we're at 15% unit growth with new stores doing double that. It assumed exclusive brands would grow 250 basis points a year. Over the last two years, they've grown five basis points a year.

500.

Right, 500 basis points a year. Thank you, our 10 points of contribution. So, we really wildly exceeded the algorithm. And if you look at EPS, three years ago, we were at $2 this year, we're guiding to $5. The algorithm would at 20% EPS growth, we're sort of wildly over 20% EPS growth. So, getting back to the algorithm would be a slowdown, if you look at multiple year period an acceleration other than the most recent year's comp. So, I do want to make sure that everybody on the call doesn't lose sight of the multiple levers we have to grow this business and how we're overachieving on all of them other than comps for the last few quarters.

That's really helpful. And I guess what I'm asking is, do you see a multiyear earnings reset after the strength you've delivered? Or is there any reason that you can't get back to nice growth with 2024 being the new base here?

I'll take that. So, Jim Watkins doesn't feel obligated to give about a 2025 guide as we just have everybody digesting their 2024 guide. I think if we look to next year, the two things we have a pretty high degree of confidence in is we'll open 52 stores or maybe slightly more because we'll try to keep the 15% growth. And we expect to continue to see exclusive brands continue to build, whether that's two and a half or three points or four points. The same-store sales piece is a little bit more or perhaps a lot more murky, right? We've had incredible growth over the last couple of years. We've given a little bit of it back now. My intuition tells me that we'll be back to low single-digits, mid-single-digits for fiscal 2025, but want a whole lot better in 12 months when we're putting out that guide. But if you're thinking about where the risk is, where the beta is, we do have 100 stores upcoming in the next 24 months that will generate $350 million of sales and $100 million worth of EBIT regardless of what the comp is. And maybe will be slightly lower than that or slightly higher than that, but the new store engine is really building momentum. And if you look at our total sales growth, that's where we're continuing to see total sales growth for this upcoming year. Because despite the fact that we're comping down 5% or slightly better than that or guiding to that for this year, we're still seeing total sales growing. And despite a minus 4.5% comp, we're still assuming we're going to get to a $5 EPS number. So, again, we feel pretty good about how we're positioned right now.

Yes, that’s really helpful. Thanks for walking through all of that. Best of luck.

Thanks Jon.

Thanks Jon.

Our next question comes from the line of Janine Stichter with BTIG. Please proceed with your question.

Hi everyone. I want to ask about the e-commerce business. It seems like it's a bit weaker for longer than we would have expected. So, just wanted to understand if there's anything you might change there in terms of the strategy that's still a case of kind of prioritizing the stores business and prioritizing profitability of e-commerce? Or could anything potentially change there in the strategy with maybe the advertising dollars? And then along those lines, just wanted to get your confidence in it turning flat in Q2.

So, the second part is also on e-com?

Yes.

Yes. No change. I mean similar to how we don't chase promotions in our retail stores, we don't think spending more marketing online is going to be EBIT accretive. We certainly could spend more and grow topline and have it be EBITDA eroding, but that's just we tend to focus, as you well know, Janine, the profitability of the business and on growing earnings and not sort of a short-term boost to the e-commerce channel. In terms of the cycling of negative numbers, I think we've been pretty consistent that it would be in the second quarter fiscal 2024, where we would see that business turn positive. So, we haven't been surprised. If we've been surprised at all, the one thing we don't split out often is the difference between bootbarn.com and sheplers.com. And the bootbarn.com.com business is already back to flag as being dragged down by sheplers.com, which while that might be disappointing when people look at -- when investors look at a negative e-commerce, that business isn't sort of our marquee brand. It's not strategic to us other than it's a -- it gives us the ability to be price competitive if we ever had to be. So, I think we're going to continue to operate that business as we have been. I think our degree of confidence that it will turn positive by mid to late second quarter is still pretty good. And we are -- we continue to focus that part of the organization on building out capabilities for customers across channels, and it's -- they've done some just incredible work. The amount of shipments that are not now shipped from our stores versus a couple of years ago is just incredible, it's about a third of our e-commerce business now being shipped from stores, which gives us the ability to put the best product that you could possibly imagine in all of our stores, build the in-store shopping experience. And if it doesn't sell, we can move the markdowns through the e-commerce channel. So, I can't say enough about how well the digital team has been doing and I certainly don't want to spend unprofitable advertising dollars to boost the sales line.

Okay, perfect. And then a follow-up on the freight. I know you said 100 basis points fit this year. I think over the last few years, you've lost over two basis points from freight headwinds. Should we expect that you get some of that in fiscal 2025? Or is there just kind of a the sense that you're not getting it all back, is that how you're thinking about it? Thank you.

It's a great question, Janine. I think it's really going to come down to what where freight rates stabilize. We're seeing container costs that are back to pre-COVID levels. Again, I think nine to 12 months from now or even six months from now, we'll probably have a better idea we get some of that back in the following year in fiscal 2025, but we feel comfortable guiding 100 basis points of recovery for what we gave back last year, and then we'll just have to see how the macro settles in.

Great, thanks very much and best of luck.

Thank you, Janine.

Our next question comes from the line of Jason Haas with Bank of America. Please proceed with your question.

Hey, good afternoon and thanks for taking my questions. I was curious if you could talk about how new stores are performing in your newer markets, particularly in the Northeast. I know that there's maybe some concern that the concept wouldn't resonate with customers in the Northeast. So, maybe you could tell us how those stores have been performing lately?

Sure. Sure. They're outperforming our new store model for sure. Historically, we thought a new store could do $1.7 million or $2 million, and we've updated that to $3.5 billion. And that $3.5 million has proven to be true in legacy markets like Texas and California as well as markets like Pennsylvania, Virginia, Maryland, New York, New Jersey. And while it may seem to conventional wisdom, we are seeing new stores in that part of the country, selling Western product in equal proportion to the rest of the country. So, it's not like we open up a store on Long Island, and it's selling all jeans and work boots, its selling cowboy boots and cowboy hats and we'll be on par with the new store model on page eight of the sorry -- on page -- it's in the deck someplace.

Seven.

Page seven, sorry. So, the -- in summary, we're quite pleased with new store openings in our new markets. And then while there's some concern often about, well, what's the downside risk of opening up new stores, but we have 352 stores today and either zero or one or two lose money. So, the downside risk is pretty low for us. So, we're going to continue to expand the footprint across the country. That will continue to give us more economies of scale, continue to build the brand and has a high degree of certainty that we'll get between $3 million and $4 million of additional revenue for every new unit that we open.

That's great. Thank you. And then as a follow-up, I was looking at the 2.5% leverage point for SG&A in fiscal 2024. Is that a good leverage point to think about for like fiscal 2025 and beyond? Or is it less than that because there's more investments in 2024 -- in fiscal 2024?

I think that is a good number to use going forward. If that changes [Technical Difficulty], we'll update you on that, but it's what we've been at historically, maybe it's a little bit higher, but it's in line with where we've been. And expenses is something that we're constantly taking a look at and trying to improve on and maintain our cost-conscious culture here at Boot Barn. And so we'll continue to chip away at ways that we can save some of those costs. But at the same time, we're going to continue to invest in the business and things that will provide us growth and into the future. So we'll keep you updated on that, Jason.

Great. Thank you.

Thank you.

Our next question comes from the line of Dylan Carden with William Blair. Please proceed with your question.

Thank you. Just kind of getting back to the long-term margin conversation. Another way of asking that question maybe to kind of use numbers you've given, you've doubled the business over, however many years, it's been four or so years. At which point, you've added 500 basis points of merchandise margin, I think, largely through private label penetration. At that point in your history, you were kind of a 33%-ish gross margin business. I know there's a lot of puts and takes between freight and deleverage on occupancy. But just simple math gets you to 38%, 39% gross margin. Is that kind of the structural level of that line item at this point, all else being equal? I know you're guiding to 36.5%. I get the guidance. But yes, behind the hood, I guess?

Yes. In fiscal 2022, we did get to 38.6% against the year. I think it is returning to same-store sales growth and leveraging some more of those buying and occupancy and distribution center costs and marching back towards that 38% and towards 39% is what we have in our sites and how we're planning the business internally.

Excellent. And then there was sort of an offhand comment on remodels. I think you said 35 remodels in the current year or maybe you did them last year. Is that something -- is that a number that's bigger than what has been historically? I know you're kind of putting more into the boxes to warrant maybe some retrofitting. But is that something going forward to -- is that going to increase, accelerate, drive comp? Any comment on that?

Yes. So, the -- we'll do a certain number of relocations within a market, and that will drive some comp sales and typically drives a pretty nice comp tailwind for us. When we do remodels, we'll often expand the size. And if we can get a bigger box than out of it, then we'll see some growth. A lot of the remodels that we're looking at now are the stores that have been in the chain for 10 years or so and need or longer in need a refresh. And so there's not necessarily a comp lift that we plan in those stores, but it's something we need to do to get them brand right and looking nice into the future and functioning the way that we need them to. As far as whether that's a new number, it is something that we started last year in a smaller degree. I would expect we'll continue to look at 35-ish stores as we go into the next couple of years as we try to get all those stores right. If you think about, we built over 150 stores over the last several years, those are all in great shape. But the other stores prior to that, a lot of those need some work. And so we're going to take those off.

You kind of answered my next question. So, as far as magnitude, round numbers, 150 stores, 35 a year kind of takes you four years or so to kind of work through those more or less what you're saying?

Yes, Yes, maybe a little longer. And the number, Dylan, this year at around $15 million in the budget for the year.

Awesome. All right. Thanks a lot guys.

Thanks Dylan.

Thanks Dylan.

Our next question comes from the line of Corey Tarlowe with Jefferies. Please proceed with your question.

Hi, good afternoon and thanks for taking my questions. And I don't know if Greg is around there, but congrats to Greg if he's there on his retirement announcement.

Thank you, Corey.

So you are. So, I wanted to ask on the distribution center that you built in Kansas City. Could you maybe just remind us, number one, about what your current distribution fleet looks like? And Jim, you mentioned that you're adding around 100 stores or so over the next two years, you added 45 in the last fiscal year. So, clearly, there's a lot of new stores that are ramping up. Do you feel like you now have the capacity built out to be able to support the new store growth ahead? And just remind us some of the benefits of this new DC that you built?

Sure. So, on the first piece, the current distribution center footprint, I'm going to oversimplify slightly. In Wichita, we have a fulfillment center that takes care of e-commerce predominantly. And historically, we've had a distribution center in California relatively close to the office that takes care of stores almost exclusively. So, a little bit of a blurred line for shipping some e-commerce there, but let's assume that the Fontana, California distribution center is stores only. That DC sort of was hitting capacity and we knew this was coming. So, we had a -- we had a multiyear plan to build the Kansas City distribution center. And what actually happened was our sales grew so fast that we pushed Fontana to, it's almost its breaking fee last year. And -- so Kansas City is coming online as originally scheduled, but our sales line is sort of way ahead of plan. That -- with those two distribution centers, Fontana and Kansas City that will service our store base, again, for simplicity's sake, split the country in half and Fontana will take care of the Western states and Kansas City will take care of the Eastern states. We should be good from a distribution center capacity standpoint for four or five years. If we use assumptions of 15% new unit growth and a low to mid-single-digit comp and exclusive brand penetration continuing to build, then that's the way we've modeled it. The next one would come on in call it, 2028 or 2029 or something like that. And it would be even further east to take care of the stores that have been built on the East Coast. The benefits are, well, one, we just needed capacity. Two, in this particular case, the Kansas City distribution center will be able to do some value-added services that are presently done in the stores now will be done in the D.C. which is a bit more efficient use of labor and have the store associates or store partners, as we call them, focused primarily on customer service and sales driving and that sort of end product floor-ready of course, because we'll have two distribution centers and will be closer to each of the stores, the freight expense outbound to our stores will be lower. It's probably we'll get there in a more timely fashion. And some of the other sort of familiar or typical benefit you get from having a network that's out closer to your end points or your stores in this case.

Got it. And then just the -- what's the financial impact associated with opening that distribution center? Is most of that in the review at this point? I think that there's some impact I believe that's embedded on the slide that you talked about in your prepared remarks as well in the guidance. Can you just remind us what that is?

Yes. So, we spent about $20 million on the distribution center throughout last year, getting it up and ready. We'll spend another $8 million in this coming year. And so we'll have the full expense of that capital is starting to depreciate through in this fiscal year and into next year and we'll see that in that buying occupancy and distribution center line. The labor is going to be coming online here shortly. And so that will be in that in the gross margin number also. And then there's some in SG&A a little bit related to the IT and supplies related to that facility.

Okay, great. And then just lastly from me on inventory. Sales are obviously projected to be up, comps are projected to be down, but it looks like inventory is also up. So, could you just maybe talk about how you feel about the relative positioning of your inventory at present? And maybe how you expect that to trend throughout the rest of the year?

Sure, Cory, it's Greg. I'll take that because that's part of my line of sight in my last month or so. So, of the 24% increase in inventory, a little more than half of that is related to the new units that we've added over the last year. So, that 15% unit growth as well as the new stores that we've got planned in kind of the first half of the year. And then about 30% of the growth is related to inventory in our distribution centers that supports our exclusive brand. So, again, as we grow brand penetration, we need to house more of that inventory in those two distribution centers. And then the balance of the growth is related to comp stores, right? And our comp store cost inventory dollars are up 8% year-over-year and our units are up about 3%, right? So, that delta 5% is the inflationary impact of last year's price increases. If we look at our inventory at the end of the year and we look at forward weeks of supply based on our guide, we've got about 30 weeks of supply, and that compares favorably to the pre-COVID years of fiscal 2021, 2020 and 2019 when those weeks of supply were 36, 34, and 32. And I'm looking at slide 13 of the supplemental deck. So, we feel very good about the inventory levels. And we feel very good about the quality of that inventory. As we look at, again, on that same slide on the right-hand side, we've grown merchandise margin for many, many years, and we've always kind of carried this level of inventory. So, I don't think anybody should be concerned about that 24% inventory growth.

Great. Thank you so much and best of luck.

Thanks.

Our next question comes from the line of Sam Poser with Williams Trading. Please proceed with your question.

Good afternoon. Thanks for taking my question. So, on the freight -- on the freight impact on gross margin, how much of the inventory that you currently have has that higher freight cost attached to it right now? How long is it going to take for that freight to roll through the inventory, so then you can take full benefit of the lower risk?

Yes. So, we turn our inventory twice a year, so it takes about six months to get that through the peak freight costs were coming in last summer and then they've been coming down since then. So, we're mostly through that, Sam. We thought we'd get through more of it in Q4, but we'll have a little bit coming into Q1, but we've guided Q1 flat so from a freight expense. So, I think we're mostly through that. We just thought we'd get through -- get some of that capitalized freight -- additional capitalized freight through the P&L in Q4 and with the sales on which just didn't happen.

And then you mentioned that in the fourth quarter, you reduced your marketing spend. My question is, when you look about the pieces of -- like what is your ROI on marketing when you look at the discretionary, especially in the women's part of the business? Is it that -- could you be doing more marketing and theoretically getting a disproportionate return on investment in the parts of the businesses that aren't working as well as others or even in the parts of the businesses that are working well, could you get them working better as by evolving marketing rather than cutting it when business gets tough, that [Indiscernible]?

I think that's the age old question around marketing, Sam. I mean it's -- if it were EBIT accretive and we could prove that out, we would certainly just spend more marketing, get more sales as long as the flow-through in the sales exceeded the marketing expense that we invested. Our marketing budget hovers around 3% of sales a year. We've grown from roughly $200 million to $1.8 billion in 10 years. So, I think the marketing is helping us grow at this current budget. I'm not sure doing more would be EBIT enhancing or just spending money to get an artificial lift some place, particularly online. We do know the ROI on our online marketing and essentially, what we do there is we spend to the point where the last dollar just about breaks even, at least sort of theoretically, that's how we think about it. I know a lot of companies spend way past that under the notion that the lifetime value is going to be higher, et cetera. I don't personally subscribe to that theory. So, we -- from a direct marketing, if you think about it, our digital marketing, we're pretty aggressive there. And if we get a higher return on net spend, we'll spend a bit more. And as the return to spend comes down, we'll ratchet back, always trying to, again, at least on a theoretical basis, have that last dollar be just above breakeven.

Just one last thing. Is -- like what percent -- like -- of that 3%, what portion of that is directed to the e-commerce business versus, call it, brand marketing sort of longer term efforts?

Roughly 10% is probably earmarked for digital marketing specifically. We're also hopeful that all of our marketing drives customers to both channels, of course. But in terms of the split between digital spend and traditional spend, we tend to believe pretty strongly in some of our traditional media channels and continue to invest there.

I didn't mean that. I meant against your e-commerce business, let's say, against that marketing against the e-commerce versus your overall brand marketing, not -- I mean, because you can do overall brand marketing digitally too. So, I'm really saying like of that sort of that part that you want to break even on, which is against your e-commerce business, how much -- what percent of the total spend is that?

I'd have to get back to you on a specific number. I mean, it's north of 10%.

All right. Thanks very much. Appreciate it.

Thanks Sam.

Our next question comes from the line of Jeremy Hamblin with Craig-Hallum Capital Group. Please proceed with your question.

Hi guys. This is Jack Cole on for Jeremy. Thanks for taking our questions. So, the guidance implies about 15% unit growth in 2024 or FY 2024. Can we assume that given your comments about of about one opening per week, you'll follow that run rate of about 10 to 12 openings per quarter? And then any color on average construction lead-times, that would be great?

Sure. Yes, I mean they're roughly phased at 13 a quarter and the lead time -- look, we're experiencing the same thing that other retailers that are adding a lot of stores are experiencing. I guess there aren't many other retailers doing this, but we kind of just manage it into the pipeline and we see stores that get delayed from time-to-time. We try to have some conservatism in the lead-times that a store will get developed. But sort of hats off to our real estate and construction department because we've been hitting our cadence of number pretty closely for a few years now. In fact, I think there's a page in the deck on that as well. You're right to call out that it's been consistently double digits for several quarters now. I feel very strongly that we'll hit at least 13 stores in the first quarter of this year. We opened two stores today actually. So, again, if you're trying to phase it or build a model, I would put them in roughly evenly throughout the year.

Great, that's great color. And then just kind of switching back to the inventory discussion. You guys noted you feel pretty comfortable with the inventory levels. Just drilling down a little deeper. Are there any specific categories where inventory is a little out of balance? Or just any color you could give category-wise?

Sure, Jack, it's Greg. The two categories we've talked about, and we're getting those into line, but they're still probably a bit heavier than we'd like is in the work boot business. That's a very functional area. The boots and the work boots don't tend to come in and out of cycles or anything like that. They tend to be evergreen, if you will. So, we don't have any concern about that and we're getting that in line. The other category was men's Western performance boots or rubber sole boots that we were a bit heavy, and we've continued to make really good progress on. And in both of those merchandise categories, we expect to be on kind of our merchandise plan based on our expected sales volumes by middle of this year.

Great. That’s all from me. Thanks for the color guys.

Thank you.

Our next question comes from the line of Jay Sole with UBS. Please proceed with your question.

Great. Thank you so much. Just curious about Bandit. Maybe, Jim, can you talk about what consumer experiences when they use Bandit? And then do you have other ideas in mind for how to use AI to enhance the business? Thank you.

So, it just rolled out this week. So, we don't have a lot of use cases yet, but it is pretty amazing. Probably, everybody in this call has experimented with ChatGPT at some point asking to do crazy silly things. But when you ask it for sort of styling advice or why is a composite toe different than a steel toe and it gives you sort of a explanation in well written pros, it's just -- it's remarkable. So, that's the consumer-facing piece. It's also going to be used to help sales associates or our sales partners drive more sales. And then if you think about the next several levels of what we can do with it, first, will the notion of it being available in the store drive store traffic, I don't know, maybe. Will it help drive conversion where otherwise somebody would walk out empty handed because now they can get sort of real-time counsel and perhaps even build their basket because they're getting increased advice saying, hey, this belt would go great with that jeans kind of thing? If you continue to extend it, if it is helpful for new store associates, we -- it helps us grow stores maybe even more quickly because now we can hire sales associates that have this great crutch because they can use their handheld device to at least appear like they have more knowledge and more experience. I can keep going, right? Then if we look at the logs of what they're typing into their handheld, we can understand where their knowledge shortfalls are. And there's probably 10 other use cases that I could go through, but we're so far over time that I'll stop. But needless to say, we're excited about this. We do feel like we're first to market, certainly within the Western industry, if not the retail market in general. We're not in a digital native company. We're an analog native company, but first to market with AI, look at that. But we're pretty excited about it.

Well, it sounds great. Thank you so much.

Thank you.

Our next question comes from the line of Mitch Kummetz with Seaport Research. Please proceed with your question.

Yes, thanks for taking my questions. Jim, on ladies boots and apparel, you referenced the tough multi-year comparisons. When do those get easier? And is that what you're looking for in terms of that business turning and starting to perform more in line with the chain as a whole? And I have a hopefully a quick follow-up.

I think we have another -- two quarters before we start to cycle negative business in the ladies side. And look, we're always looking for growth and that we have a rock-solid team of merchants on the ladies boots and apparel business. So, they're bringing in new vendors, they're expanding their assortment. They're also managing their inventory quite closely, so we don't get overextended in a sales environment that's up during that particular category. But we just had -- we had so much growth and perhaps even drove industry-wide retail trend towards Western based on the combination of our marketing and our product assortment that we're now up against that. And there's a time that you have to play a little defense and just be a little bit more prudent. But I think within the next six months or so, we'll see those businesses start to come back around.

Okay. And then on California and the weather, I think you mentioned that there were two districts in particular that were most severely impacted, including the Central Valley, where they comp down. I think you said mid-teens or down 15% in the quarter. I don't know how many stores that would be, but could you say what the impact that was on 4Q comp? Like was that as much as 100 basis points? And then also, can you say what's factored into the outlook going forward? I know there's been some talk about Zero Nevada snow melt that might make the Central Valley challenging through the summer and all that, so?

We called out two districts of 30. It's roughly 10% for store sales because they're bigger. Yes -- and yes, it's 8% of our total business or in those two districts or 10% of our store sales. And if they're down 15%, right, it's on and a half -- 150 basis points of comp erosion if you take a negative 15% on 10% of the business.

And those districts have been down for 12 months now, just the ag pressure that Jim was talking about related to the drought. And so as we begin to cycle that in the next quarter, we're modeling them to be less negative than what we've seen in the last months.

Okay. Thanks guys. Good luck.

Thanks Mitch.

And our next question comes from the line of John Lawrence with Benchmark Company. Please proceed with your question.

Thanks guys. I know it's running late. I'll be quick here. Jim, would you comment a little bit about the loyalty member, how big is that business now? What's the attributes of that guy that has a loyalty card? How long -- how much more is the shopping with you than average?

So, it's a great question. There's over 7 million, I think, 7.1 million. I think last year it was 5.8 million B Rewarded members. It's A little bit more than two-thirds of our sales dollars go through that program. So, we then get who's buying, how often, how much they're spending. They -- all the metrics you perhaps might expect, their average basket is higher, their frequency is more frequent. Presumably, they're more loyal to us and shopping competitors less frequently. And the stores just do a really great job of introducing customers to that program. And it's been a critical asset for Boot Barn now for a dozen years or even longer, certainly [Technical Difficulty]

Great. Good luck. Thanks and Greg, thanks for all the help.

You're welcome. Thank you.

And we have reached the end of the question-and-answer session. I will now turn the call back over to Jim Conroy for closing remarks.

Well, thank you, everyone, for joining the call today. I'm sorry, I went so long. We look forward to speaking with you all on our first quarter call. Take care.

And this concludes today's conference and you may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.