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Q2 2013 Earnings Call· Tue, Jul 30, 2013

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Operator

Operator

Welcome to the BP Presentation to the Financial Community Webcast and Conference Call. I now hand over to Jessica Mitchell, Head of Investor Relations.

Jessica Mitchell

Management

Hello, and welcome, everyone. This is BP's Second Quarter 2013 Results Webcast and Conference Call. I'm Jessica Mitchell, BP's Head of Investor Relations, and I'm here with our Group Chief Executive, Bob Dudley; and our Chief Financial Officer, Brian Gilvary. Also with us for the Q&A is the Chief Executive of our Upstream, Lamar McKay; and Iain Conn, Chief Executive of Refining and Marketing. Before we start, I need to draw your attention to our cautionary statement. During today's presentation, we will make forward-looking statements that refer to our estimates, plans and expectations. Actual results and outcomes could differ materially due to factors that we note on this slide and in our U.K. and SEC filings. Please refer to our Annual Report, stock exchange announcement and SEC filings for more details. These documents are available on our website. Thank you. And now, over to Bob.

Robert W. Dudley

Management

Thank you, Jess, and good afternoon or good morning, everyone, depending on where you are. Thank you for joining us. In today's presentation, we will, of course, take you through our second quarter results, but we will also update you on our key areas of activity. Our 2Q results reflect a variety of factors, some positive, some negative, which Brian will take you through in detail, the largest negative figures being the drop in crude prices from 1Q to 2Q. Looking underneath the quarterly numbers, we continue to benefit from the strong ramp-up of production in our new upstream projects and steady operational performance in the downstream. So I believe we are making solid progress where it really matters despite the more challenging environment. After hearing from Brian, I will review the status of the legal proceedings in the U.S. and also state a few words about the developments in Rosneft. I'll then take a look at our progress for the changes underway to reposition BP for the future. It's a future that we believe will make BP distinctive through having a more focused, lower-risk footprint, a leading position in deepwater, a unique position in Russia, highly disciplined capital investment in a growing high-quality upstream project pipeline and a downstream that is a strong generator of cash. And finally, there will be time for all of us to respond to your questions. Before handing over to Brian, here's a brief look at what we've done in the year-to-date, focusing on the strategic progress to achieve our 10-point plan to 2014 that we laid out in 2011 and that will deliver shareholder value into the longer term. As we have consistently said to you, this is based around creating a safer, stronger company that delivers value by playing to our distinctive…

Brian Gilvary

Management

Thank you, Bob. Starting with an overview of the second quarter financial results. Underlying replacement cost profit in the second quarter was $2.7 billion, down 24% on the same period a year ago and 36% lower than the first quarter of 2013. Compared to a year ago, the result reflected lower liquids realizations, offset by higher gas realizations, lower upstream volumes due to the impact of the divestment program, continued steady performance in the downstream and a lower contribution from Russia with our share of Rosneft income, impacted by the ruble depreciation and the duty tax lag effect in a period of falling oil prices. Also impacting the quarter relative to a year ago was a smaller positive consolidation adjustment to eliminate unrealized profits on lower volumes of equity crude in inventory at the end of the quarter and a significantly higher effective tax rate, largely due to the impact of the stronger dollar against the basket of currencies. Second quarter operating cash flow was $5.4 billion. Turning to the highlights at a segment level. For the upstream, the underlying second quarter replacement cost profit before interest and tax was $4.3 billion compared with $4.4 billion a year ago and $5.7 billion in the first quarter. The result versus a year ago reflects lower production due to divestments, lower liquids realizations and higher noncash costs for exploration write-offs and DD&A, partly offset by the benefits of higher gas realizations and an increase in underlying production volumes. Reported production, excluding Russia, decreased by around 1.5% compared to the same period last year, primarily due to divestments. Underlying volumes in the second quarter, after adjusting for divestments and entitlement effects, increased by around 4.4%. This reflects new major project volumes in Angola, the North Sea and the Gulf of Mexico and improved…

Robert W. Dudley

Management

Thanks, Brian. And I hope you heard our message of operating cash generation and capital discipline as fundamental to our strategy for the decade. And we'll take any specific questions on the numbers shortly, but before that, let me say a little bit more about our business progress so far in 2013. Let me turn to an update of the status of legal proceedings in the United States. The first phase of the MDL 2179 trial commenced on the 25th of February in New Orleans, focusing on the causes of the accident and allocation of fault among the defendants. The trial completed on the 17th of April, parties submitted post-trial briefs and proposed findings, and that briefing was completed on the 12th of July. We do not have an indication for when the court will issue a ruling on the Phase 1 issues. While the final decision rests with the courts, we believe that the accident was the result of multiple causes involving multiple parties. Meanwhile, we are continuing to prepare for the second phase of the trial, which is currently scheduled to begin on the 30th of September. This phase will involve 2 main issues: Source control, including attempts to stop the flow of oil from the well; and the quantity of oil spilled into the Gulf of Mexico. We expect this phase will last 1 month. The penalty phase, in which the court will hear evidence regarding the penalty factors set out in the Clean Water Act, will be the next trial phase. The U.S. government, BP and Anadarko will be parties in this phase, and we anticipate that this will not occur until sometime in 2014. The proposed class action securities litigation on behalf of the American Depositary share purchases, which is part of MDL 2185, is…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]

Jessica Mitchell

Management

We'll take the first question from Alastair Syme at Citi.

Alastair Roderick Syme - Citigroup Inc, Research Division

Analyst

Two quick questions. Firstly, on the 2014 cash flow target of $30 billion to $31 billion. I think I know the answer to this, but just to confirm, we are talking in average for the year and not an exit rate for 2014. And secondly, can I just ask on the uncertainties on the PSC settlement, and how your conversations go with the auditors around signing off those uncertainties and how you think about those uncertainties with respect to the pace of your buyback program going forward?

Robert W. Dudley

Management

Thanks, Alastair. Yes, the $30 billion to $31 billion in operating cash flow is the overall total for 2014 that we're impacting. So it's not an exit rate, it's actually the total for the year. And then, let me turn it over to Brian on the second piece.

Brian Gilvary

Management

Yes, Alastair, we do have -- I mean, we happen right back to 2Q 2010, we do an assessment at the end of each quarter around our best estimates of the future projections of exposures around the various aspects of liabilities that we have around deepwater rise. And our auditors look at those assessments each quarter and sign off that they are -- comfortable that they are the best estimates in terms of the processes that we go through. You'll recall that during 1Q, we backed out any future estimates of business, economic loss claims, given the way in which the agreement was being interpreted. We simply could not estimate what those claims would look like on a going-forward basis. So therefore, we reversed the provision out at 1Q. And then what you would have seen this quarter is we booked now on a quarterly basis and so we can make an estimate, and we won't be able to make an estimate around business economic loss claims until at which time we have a ruling for the Fifth Circuit of appeal. But effectively, we'll now just take those claims on a quarterly basis. And you saw the charge this quarter was $900 million, and that sits within the trust funds so there's actually no charge to P&L.

Alastair Roderick Syme - Citigroup Inc, Research Division

Analyst

Can I just clarify, as a supplement, would you expect any -- the additional claims to fall into 2014 cash flow? Or would it impact cash flow beyond...

Brian Gilvary

Management

Well, if you think about all the cash associated with this settlement, comes after trust fund, and the trust fund is currently sitting with a balance of $8.2 billion of cash, of which, just around $1.3 billion, $1.35 billion is set aside for the fishery settlement within the fund. So there is $6.9 billion of cash that will be sourced in terms of any future claims from the trust fund itself. So I would anticipate no impact on BP's operating cash flow in 2014.

Jessica Mitchell

Management

We'll take the next question from Kim Fustier at CSFB. Kim Fustier - Crédit Suisse AG, Research Division: The first one is a follow-up. On your cash flow guidance for 2014, your annualized cash flow in the first 6 months of this year is $19 billion at 108 Brent, and I'm aware that you had a large working capital outflow in the first quarter and have not yet received a dividend from Rosneft, but could you please help us understand how you're going to bridge the gap between these 2 numbers, $19 billion and $31 billion to $32 billion?

Brian Gilvary

Management

Yes, Kim, you're right, those numbers are correct. And you'll recall from the first quarter call, we had a $4 billion seasonal build in working capital in the first quarter. That will certainly unwind by the end of the year. So there's an additional $4 billion in terms of the first half number that you can have back in. And then there was a build of just shy of $1 billion associated with the working capital movements in the first quarter this year. So that's actually up to $5 billion you can actually have back that you would expect to see you reversed through the second half of the year. And therefore, you wouldn't see those -- so as a full year effect, you would see the benefits of that come through in 2014. Kim Fustier - Crédit Suisse AG, Research Division: Great. And my second question is just to come back to the business economic loss claims. Are you able to say what proportion of the outstanding claims already filed are linked to the business economic loss claims and of those you've already paid, again, how many were related to the business economic losses?

Brian Gilvary

Management

Yes. Kim, so in total, on the CSSP, the total eligibility notices for business economic loss claims has amounted to $2.5 billion. We would challenge $1.3 billion of that. We do not believe it comes under the remake [ph] of the agreement that we signed. And of the current eligibility notices not yet paid is $1 billion within that $2.5 billion. And right now, we are appealing $800 million of that $1 billion. So it gives you an order of magnitude of the -- of what we're dealing with.

Jessica Mitchell

Management

We'll take the next question from the U.S., Robert Kessler of Tudor, Pickering. Robert A. Kessler - Tudor, Pickering, Holt & Co. Securities, Inc., Research Division: Can I just go back to the point about 2014 cash flows not being impacted by any spillover from the trust fund. And I guess, I get the point that there's still remaining cash balance in the trust fund. But if I understand your financials correctly, then of the $20 billion, $19.7 billion is effectively spoken for and the incremental charge from here would go to BP's balance sheet. How, as it goes to BP's balance sheet, does it not then ultimately translate into BP's statement of cash flows?

Brian Gilvary

Management

Yes, Robert, you're right. But I would not anticipate that, that would happen in terms of cash outflows until certainly beyond 2014. But right now, there is what we call headroom of $300 million, not yet allocated within the $42.4 billion provision. So to the degree that there may be charges through this quarter that would take us over that, we'll book that to the P&L, but we wouldn't anticipate cash flowing out certainly until 2015 or 2016. Robert A. Kessler - Tudor, Pickering, Holt & Co. Securities, Inc., Research Division: And you chewed up over $1 billion of headroom in 2Q...

Brian Gilvary

Management

No. In 2Q, it was $1.4 billion of headroom. The additional charge was $900 million for business economic loss claims in the quarter and a further charge of $500 million associated with the administration of the CSSP fund. Robert A. Kessler - Tudor, Pickering, Holt & Co. Securities, Inc., Research Division: So do you think the headroom will last beyond 3Q?

Brian Gilvary

Management

It's purely a function of what we see coming through now as business economic loss claim through the quarter. But I would certainly anticipate that, that headroom would get used up this quarter. Robert A. Kessler - Tudor, Pickering, Holt & Co. Securities, Inc., Research Division: Okay. And then on Whiting, I appreciate the extra chart on timing for when the coking units come on. Can I get a little specificity around the link to the bars here? I mean, if I had to guess, maybe it's around the end of the third quarter when you have the full conversion capability running, but are you willing to confirm that verbally?

Robert W. Dudley

Management

So we've got with us here today Iain Conn, who heads the downstream, along with Lamar McKay, who leads the upstream. I'm going to ask Iain to tackle that one.

Iain C. Conn

Analyst

Robert, yes, I mean, just the first unit, as you know, came on stream at the end of the second quarter, and that's now running at about 225,000 barrels a day. We've got 3 more units, as you can see from that chart. The sulphur recovery complex, which comes up in 2 parts: one in 3Q and one with the coker in the middle of 4Q, let me say; and the gas oil hydrotreater is due up about the end of 3Q, and the coker, middle of 4Q. And most of these unit -- all of these units are now nearing mechanical completion. So we're on track for those dates at this present time.

Jessica Mitchell

Management

Now we'll go to Fred Lucas from JPMorgan. Frederick Lucas - JP Morgan Chase & Co, Research Division: Just one question. I appreciate your comment about BP's ability to compartmentalize Macondo from the rest of the business. But are there any strategic moves you'd like to make within BP that you feel unable to do until you have greater clarity around the closure to Macondo?

Robert W. Dudley

Management

Yes, Fred, good question. I think what we've laid out strategically is focusing on the asset base, and we've got the portfolio. Having divested $38 billion now, we've got a portfolio we really like. So our efforts are very much focused on the exploration, the deepwater, the gas, the big fields and the downstream assets. So I don't feel that we are constrained. I think we're building the operational momentum now in lots of different ways. The upstream production now is up 4%. Quite frankly, I'm not sure we need the distraction of a big, strategic move somewhere. But if there are opportunistic acquisitions to deepen the projects we've got or others that sort of fit our asset portfolio, we certainly wouldn't hesitate to do that.

Jessica Mitchell

Management

So we'll take the next question from Hootan Yazhari of Bank of America Merrill Lynch.

Hootan Yazhari - BofA Merrill Lynch, Research Division

Analyst

Two questions, if I may. Going back to the PSC settlement, I just wanted to see what other defenses you have in your armory, should we see a failure in your appeal into the fourth -- into the Fifth Circuit court? And then also, going to the Gulf of Mexico, I just wanted to get just a point of clarity, you've mentioned that 3 turnarounds there are now complete. Should we now be expecting Gulf of Mexico volumes to start ramping up into the second half of the year in the absence of hurricanes? Or are we still waiting on other turnarounds, et cetera, to take place before we can really see the volumes there picking up?

Robert W. Dudley

Management

Yes. Hootan, I'll take the first one on the PSC settlement. I think -- we think the interpretation of the settlement has not been right. We're going to continue to pursue it. We're going to, obviously, wait and see some of the investigations that are going on of the settlement itself, and we've got a long list of legal options, of which we're planning various steps legally. So I can't comment on the outcome of that appeal. But we feel really strongly about the merits of our case, and we're going to defend our position vigorously. And let me ask Lamar to comment on the Gulf.

H. Lamar McKay

Analyst

Hootan, thanks, this is Lamar. Yes, we've got 3 turnarounds effectively complete, one more to go on December on Mad Dog. We'll start to see a turn in the Gulf of Mexico as we get to some of these new wells on production and hooked up, which will lead into increases in production from the Gulf more in 2014 and the back half of 2013. We are having pretty good performance, but as Bob noted, we've got one well owned in Na Kika and we've got more to come this year and next year in Na Kika, and then the performance in Thunder Horse and Atlanta should be coming up, especially as we get water injection going in Thunder Horse over the next couple of years.

Jessica Mitchell

Management

Going now to Alejandro Demichelis of Exane.

Alejandro Demichelis - Exane BNP Paribas, Research Division

Analyst

A couple of questions on the litigation front. On the PSC settlement, is there any chance that as you use up your headroom, the judge may force you to put some collateral against what you have here outstanding on those business claims?

Brian Gilvary

Management

Alejandro, the way in which the agreements are written is that in the event the fund is exhausted, then invoices and bills will come directly to BP. That's the way things are structured at the moment. I can't comment on what potential legal avenues may be pursued. But effectively, right now, the way the fund is set up is that once -- if and when the fund is exhausted, then bills will arrive at BP's door directly.

Alejandro Demichelis - Exane BNP Paribas, Research Division

Analyst

Okay, that's clear. And the second question in terms of your willingness to settle on the trial, I think, Bob, you commented on no company will be willing to settle on the terms that you all have seen on the PSC or the interpretation of the PSC, let's say. Would that change your willingness to settle on the trial as well?

Robert W. Dudley

Management

Well, Alejandro, we have said in the past that we would be willing to settle on fair and reasonable terms. But it's clear from the 2 settlements we've done so far that there's another element that is just vital, and that is closure. If we're going to settle, we have to have closure on issues. And when they keep getting opened up, then we're not inclined to settle whatsoever. So it doesn't mean it can't happen. But that's the issue, and that's what shareholders would need as well. And we're in no discussions on settling the trial.

Jessica Mitchell

Management

Turning now to Martijn Rats of Morgan Stanley.

Martijn Rats - Morgan Stanley, Research Division

Analyst

I have 2 questions, if I may. First of all, I wanted to ask you about Oman. At least on Wood Mack's modeling, the return on that project looks rather poor, and I doubt if you had the same assessment, you would go ahead with it. Nevertheless, there seems to be some good progress during the quarter. I was hoping you could say a little bit about the sort of return expectations, the gas price realizations you have negotiated to help us get some comfort on that particular project. And the other thing I wanted to ask you about is capital expenditure over the next couple of years. We've now seen a few companies, a small number so far, but BG has guided for CapEx down in 2015. Total has recently said that their CapEx will peak this year and fall next year. I know your guidance until the end of the decade is for broadly flat CapEx. But I was wondering if you could say a few words about the scope of sort of CapEx actually coming down in BP over the next few years.

Robert W. Dudley

Management

Right. Okay, Martijn, thanks. Well, first, on Oman, I think I'm not exactly sure what's in Wood Mack's models. But for us, of course, well, we've reached heads of agreement with the government of Oman in May, got a series of agreements to finalize here. It's an attractive project, and it's a very, very long, long-term project. There's also parts of it that Wood Mack wouldn't be able to relate to. There's some petrochemical pieces of it as well. So we think that when we get to the finalization of these agreements, I mean, obviously, I can't say anything about the gas price because that will be up to the government of Oman to talk about when they're ready. But I think that project is looking very good. We went through earlier this year, we looked at our own CapEx estimates for operating onshore. Some of our original estimates, which, quite frankly, we're bringing offshore standards in some of our cost estimates. We've gone and looked really how to do that safely and reliably in Oman. And I think we've got that in a good spot. It's a good project to be a very long-term project for BP. And on the CapEx guidance, we have 45 major projects between now and the end of the decade. And what we've been saying before is we want to pace them in a way that continues to build cash flow. And I think the $24 billion to $25 billion this year and then the $24 billion to $27 billion out through the end of the decade, given our size, is a very much mature and disciplined way to think about our CapEx framework. And so can't comment on the others. I know that our CapEx levels have been below, I think, for our size and some of the others. So we are comfortable with this $24 billion to $27 billion. We're going to have to work very hard to keep it within that disciplined framework, but that's the plan.

Jessica Mitchell

Management

And moving now to Irene Himona at Soc Gen.

Irene Himona - Societe Generale Cross Asset Research

Analyst

I had 2 questions, if I may. So firstly, Bob, you mentioned 5 FIDs to be taken in the rest of the year. In light of the delay to Mad Dog Phase 2 in April, can you talk a little bit about the level of industry cost inflation you face [ph] as you approach those FIDs, please? Secondly, in July, the EPA affirmed its debarring of BP. We thought last November that it was a temporary order. Can you just remind us, please, of the real consequences as it were, and whether you think that issue will go away at some stage? And my final question, on Rosneft. Obviously, deal completed in Q1. When would it be sort of realistic for investors to expect BP to move from being a financial investor in Rosneft to actually becoming a partner in specific industrial projects, I mean, should we give it a year, longer than that?

Robert W. Dudley

Management

Irene, good questions. I'm going to -- I'm also going to ask Lamar to comment on the Mad Dog decision, which I'll just preface by saying what we've done here, for example, the other project, we're in Browse in Australia, is I think what you would expect us to do as we refine capital cost and project designs. If they don't fit, we'll take a step back rather than committing and then going down the road, as they say in the U.S., on the road to Abilene with some big projects. So I think this is exactly what you'd like to see us do. We see sector inflation around 5% for a year for CapEx and OpEx. There's, obviously, some hotter places around the world. Maybe with that, I'll ask Lamar to comment further on this, why we think it's the right thing to do, and then I'll come back to the debarment and the Rosneft questions.

H. Lamar McKay

Analyst

Thanks, Bob. Just to restate, we are seeing a continued cost inflation, especially in the offshore, obviously, environment, some hotspots and subsea and other areas. But Mad Dog as an example, as Bob said, we want to make sure that the projects have the best economics that they can, and we've taken a decision to rethink and reshape that a bit with both our partners and our contractors. And it'll be -- I think it would -- the potential savings or efficiency could come 2 ways. One is to move to a slimmer sort of repeatable design that's been built before rather than a brand-new design in terms of what we were looking at earlier, and that we will back off the size just a tad probably to, in effect, get 90% of the benefit with maybe quite a bit less of that cost. So that's been reshaped, relooked, ran in good conversations with contractors and partners.

Robert W. Dudley

Management

Thanks, Lamar. On your second question on the temporary suspension, debarring us from future work in the U.S., just so people have the background. We had settled with the Department of Justice on the criminal side following the accident last December. And after we settle that, about 4 days later, the EPA came out and said that we would be debarred from future business. And effectively, what that means is -- the suspension, by the way, does not affect any existing contracts that BP has, the work we're doing on leases and our projects. What it does do is effectively suspends us from selling fuel to the U.S. Military, in addition, not bidding on new leases in the Gulf of Mexico; that's essentially what it comes down to. We've got a very, very large position in the Gulf of Mexico. We actually have more work to do in the Gulf than we can actually have the capability to do. So I think this is a matter of -- so the debarment, we didn't quite expect it, but that suspension isn't really changing our activities in the U.S. But this is, obviously, something we just need to work through all the details. And as you can imagine recently, we want to make sure we understand all of the details of a final settlement with the EPA, which has to do with bringing monitors in the company and on process safety and things like that. On Rosneft, so -- by the way, I would just note, I think that the duty lag effect, which has always been a factor with BP, with TNK-BP, you see it loud and clear this quarter with Rosneft, where the tax reference price is based on the first quarter, which was higher. So therefore, in the second…

Jessica Mitchell

Management

We will take the next question from Theepan Jothilingam of Nomura.

Theepan Jothilingam - Nomura Securities Co. Ltd., Research Division

Analyst

Three questions, please. Firstly, just a quick one on divestments. Can you just tell us what's left in terms of completion on the divestment program in terms of cash? Secondly, it seems to me you've built up a very material position in Brazil in the deepwater. Again, if you could talk about activity levels there, what you see is the long-term price? And then in terms of framework, I think there's a clear framework to 2014. On the call, you've talked about medium, long-term CapEx in terms of products. So I just want to know whether you're any closer to perhaps providing a framework of a cash flow growth beyond 2014?

Robert W. Dudley

Management

So, Theepan, on Brazil, I'll let Lamar comment, but we have built up a big exploration position. We like Brazil. You maybe want to comment on the different pieces of it, Lamar?

H. Lamar McKay

Analyst

Yes. Just real quickly, we've got 27 concessions in Brazil, 17 in the equatorial margin, and the rest in various other places, but some pre-salt in the Campos Basin. The general -- we've got 2 wells drilling now in Brazil. We will probably be, over the next several years, be drilling probably 2 to 3 exploratory wells per year over the next 2 to -- well, probably 3 years or so. And then we'll, obviously, we'll see what comes out of that as far as appraisal and additional activity. We have an active rig program in Brazil, both company and outside operated with partners, Petrobras and now, as well, Total.

Robert W. Dudley

Management

Theepan, on the divestments?

Brian Gilvary

Management

On the divestments, Theepan, we've received just shy of $36 billion of cash around the original $38 billion program, with the balance derived expected in the second half of this year.

Robert W. Dudley

Management

We do -- just so -- on divestments to think about, this is the framework going forward we are assuming, we like the portfolio management that we've done sort of in a big dose all at once. But we expect further divestments each year, $2 billion to $3 billion would not be unreasonable going forward.

Theepan Jothilingam - Nomura Securities Co. Ltd., Research Division

Analyst

And then in terms of cash flow growth beyond sort of '14, I mean, what -- as a shareholder in BP, if we're sort of looking at maintaining CapEx or a pretty firm framework there, what type of actual growth can I see in cash flow?

Robert W. Dudley

Management

Well, assuming certain oil price assumptions whatever, but you should see growth continuing on for '14 on. Brian?

Brian Gilvary

Management

Yes. I mean, Theepan, I mean I think we said to you back in December and again at 1Q results, the proposition beyond 2014 is within a tight capital framework, so the capital discipline in place, that will lead to free cash flow growth that will underpin a progressive dividend growth. We've not yet put a quantum on that, and we'll probably comfortably talk before that when we come to the marketplace, probably towards the end of this year or next year to put actual some quantification around that. But I think the key is, whilst 2014 gets delivered, which we anticipate will get delivered through next year on the operating cash flow, then probably the back end of this year, early next year, we'll start to think about actually putting targets out beyond 2014 that will probably take us out to 2017, 2018 in terms of free cash flow growth that would then underpin a progressive dividend growth.

Jessica Mitchell

Management

Can we take the next question from Jason Kenney at Santander.

Jason Kenney - Grupo Santander, Research Division

Analyst

So I've got 3 on Rosneft, essentially. So the first would be if you could quantify your ballpark net estimate for the Rosneft dividends in 2014, as you've got those included in your 50% CFFO target assumption for next year? The second would be, can you confirm the period covered by the $460 million dividend which comes in in August, presumably is for the period that you held 19.75%, but maybe on the back of that, is there a view on timing of future payments? Would we see another cash payment in calendar year this year? Or do we go into the early part of next year for the next cash payment? And then thirdly, I think Bob, you mentioned just briefly a minute ago, some kind of split out to the opportunity hit in Russia with $270 million of FX impact in the quarter. Does that dwarf the duty lag effect? Or did you mention a $300 million duty lag effect amount there? I suppose on the back half of that as well, I mean, is there anything you can do to mitigate FX changes at the extreme for what's happening in Russia because it is quite a material impact, of course?

Robert W. Dudley

Management

Yes, mixture there. Go ahead, Brian.

Brian Gilvary

Management

Yes, let me answer the first one, Jason, just around I think your -- what's our projected dividends for Rosneft in 2014. I mean, clearly, it's 19.75% or 25% of their earnings, whatever they're going to be. But in terms of planning around the 10-point plan, we backed out so it's more of a -- I'm not going to give you the number, but we backed out about $1.2 billion of what we were anticipating from TNK dividends in our target. Remember, the original target was $33 billion. We backed out over $1 billion for the lower dividend payout we expected out of Rosneft versus TNK-BP. And the dividend that we're expecting this year, actually which I think gets paid today or certainly this week, is $460 million of what we're anticipating in 2013. But we're within the range of risks of around the 2014 delivery of operating cash flow, we don't feel that there's any concerns around the Rosneft dividend.

Jason Kenney - Grupo Santander, Research Division

Analyst

So that $460 million is for the full year this year?

Brian Gilvary

Management

That is for this year, correct. And remember, we've only owned -- we only owned our 19.75% when the deal closed through March.

Jason Kenney - Grupo Santander, Research Division

Analyst

Okay, so there's no quarterly payment in the fourth quarter or anything else then from dividends from Rosneft this year?

Brian Gilvary

Management

Not that we're anticipating, no.

Robert W. Dudley

Management

Jason, what the policy has been in Russia that they pay dividends once a year based on 25% of net income on a previous year based on IFRS earnings. And I think you're right about the exchange rate. It, and there's another number of countries, Australia, India. There's a variety of countries which have big exchange rate changes and I don't know if that sort of thing is going to continue. I wouldn't -- do you have any plans, Brian?

Brian Gilvary

Management

No, I mean, I think we manage our exposure to ForEx, Jason. The issue around ForEx this quarter has really been around the effective tax rate. It's on the deferred taxes, so the fact that we're retaining effectively with the devaluation of the dollar that effectively saw higher one-off adjustment for deferred taxes. So we tend to manage our ForEx anyway in terms of future purchases. We manage that forward. This is just around deferred taxes as the major effect that you saw for the second quarter.

Robert W. Dudley

Management

And $12 billion in cash that we brought in following that transaction, we regard as more or less a 7- to 8-year acceleration of duty -- of dividends out of TNK-BP, by doing that.

Jessica Mitchell

Management

Right. Now to Jon Rigby of UBS.

Jon Rigby - UBS Investment Bank, Research Division

Analyst

A couple of questions. One on the downstream, then, I'm afraid, back on Macondo. On the downstream, there's been quite a lot of moving parts, I'm conscious. So I was wondering whether if we can just get a bit of color on the way that earnings progression is moving underlying? I kind of want to reference back to the original plan, which I think started in 2009, which had a couple of billion dollars of benefits of delivery to 2012, and then I think a touch more plus $1 billion from Whiting, if I'm not wrong. Can we just confirm where we are on that? And also potentially, can you give me some indication of perhaps what earnings have been lost with the 2 disposals, so we can kind of understand where the underlying performance is? And perhaps for Iain Conn, is there any way you can add a bit of color around that $1 billion you've talked about before in the context of the market conditions that you've experienced since the plan for the Whiting expansion? And then just on Macondo, you referenced the claims that had come in and those that you objected to. If we were to wind forward and those claims were coming in and they were coming directly to you rather than to the fund, in which you have no control clearly of cash going out, would you be of a mind to say, well, actually, we're not going to write the check for things that we don't think are appropriate? And would that actually end up putting you on a stronger position albeit, of course, you're further down the line, and how much cash you paid out from the fund?

Robert W. Dudley

Management

Okay, Iain.

Iain C. Conn

Analyst

Jon, I mean, firstly, the -- on the earnings progression, we indicated an improvement '09 to '12 of about $2 billion. It was not delivered last year because of the poorer trading result, which we indicated to you all. But now that we've seen a significant swing back into good trading performance, as indicated this year, that net '09 to '12 underlying performance has been effectively delivered. As far as the $1 billion from Whiting, we have indicated that. We have not given any further guidance beyond that $1 billion and I wouldn't do so, but the downstream is clearly providing its share of the growth out to 2014 within the 10-point plan. On the second part of your question, the earnings lost on disposals, I mean, we wouldn't and we don't indicate that on individual disposals. All I would say there is that the trade between selling Texas City and the Southwest Coast and building Whiting, in my view, is a good one. And on the $1 billion WRMP, when we announced the startup of the crude unit at the end of June, we indicated that it will be running when the whole system is up 80% heavy sour crude. We also indicated the 413,000 barrel-a-day capacity. And if you go back to the end of November when we did the Downstream Investor Day, we gave you a chart that sort of shows the shift of the amount of heavy sour we're going to be running previous to WRMP and post. With that information, and making some assumptions around tax rates and utilization rates, you can get a pretty good idea of the margin assumptions. And all I can tell you is that they -- we're not going to give you a specific number but they are reflective and probably slightly conservative relative to history and certainly, conservative relative to recent history.

Robert W. Dudley

Management

Jon, and your question about claims. It's really an interesting question you bring up. What I would just say is we do remain committed to paying all legitimate claims going forward.

Jessica Mitchell

Management

We'll take the next question from Oswald Clint of Bernstein. Oswald Clint - Sanford C. Bernstein & Co., LLC., Research Division: If I could just ask about the upstream kind of per barrel margin, so U.S. versus the rest of the world. And I'm assuming once we get through the turnaround in the Gulf of Mexico and we get the extra rig, could we expect the wide gap between the U.S. and the rest of the world to actually close as we go further into 2014? And then secondly, it was, I think, last year, you spoke about integrity spend through 2011, 2012, and expectations it should fall in 2013 and over the next couple of years. Can I just check if that's still on track?

Robert W. Dudley

Management

Yes, Oswald. Lamar?

H. Lamar McKay

Analyst

On margins in the U.S., 3 major areas in the upstream that obviously contribute to the margin structure of the entire U.S., and that's Alaska, Gulf of Mexico and North American gas. Gulf of Mexico and Alaska in 2Q, pretty good margins. North American gas, obviously with where the gas price is, margins have not been good. So your premise as Gulf of Mexico volumes come up over time, yes, the margin structure would improve on average and in aggregate in the U.S. because of the Gulf of Mexico's relative position will grow in the U.S. Yes, and then -- and Bob mentioned in the turnarounds that we've got 8 finished for this year, 13 more to do, so 21. We've come down, yes, from 47 in 2011, 30-something last year. So that rate of the amount of spending there, as well as the number of turnarounds is coming down. We are probably going to plane out here into the future somewhere just below where we are this year in amount -- in terms of turnarounds. That's not a bad proxy for overall maintenance and reliability spending.

Jessica Mitchell

Management

Back to the U.S. now, Stephen Simko of Morningstar.

Stephen Simko - Morningstar Inc., Research Division

Analyst

I just wanted to ask about Rosneft's brownfield optimization program going forward. If you can just talk about some of the details around that, as well maybe the capital intensity of brownfield incremental drilling relative to where it's been historically? And if you guys are expecting that to continue to trend northward maybe, over the next few years?

Robert W. Dudley

Management

Yes, Stephen. So Rosneft was able to stabilize its production in the brownfields in the second quarter. It was down -- it was actually down just a feather. It was down 0.02% quarter-on-quarter. They've been using lots of multi-stage frac-ing, horizontal drilling, waterflood management. They've got some fairly -- as did TNK-BP in those old assets, some artificial lift optimization and quite a bit of work across the entire portfolio and drilling sidetracks to go around bypassed oil. So overall, the drilling in the brownfield is up about 38% from a year ago. So that's -- I mean, there are lots of focus on it. And just like in TNK-BP, that's what you need to do because these brownfields do decline quite systematically. Of course, in Russia, it's a little bit like West Texas. So the fact that being able to level off to virtually flat is a very good thing. There's other things I could talk about, some of the work that they're doing on the greenfields as well, the old Suzun and Tagul fields that TNK-BP had, which are very close to Vankor, which is their big production area, which should -- Vankor production should go up to 2015 and then following that in '16, '17 will be Suzun and Tagul. That's a great example of industrial synergies because TNK-BP was planning to develop those and build a pipeline in the other direction. So they will go right into the facilities there. So -- I mean, their objective is to look at their capital programs and they've got to be able to optimize the quality of their capital in their plans and I can tell you, there's a lot of attention on it going inside of Rosneft.

Jessica Mitchell

Management

Right. Back to the U.K., and Rahim Karim from BarCap.

Rahim Karim - Barclays Capital, Research Division

Analyst

The first was just to go back to the Gulf of Mexico and their claims to CSP. Brian, I think you indicated that you were disputing about $1.3 billion of the $2.5 billion set aside for economic losses. I was just wondering what your take would be against reclaiming the money that's already been paid back. So you indicated about $800 million was yet to be paid, but would you intend to go back off the other $0.5 billion that has already been paid, should you get your way? And then the other question was just to go into the upstream and to talk a little bit about exploration spend. You gave a couple of useful charts and slides on the exploration program going forward in some of the basins that you've built. I'm just wondering if you could get help us think about how spend in that business should be evolving over the next few years and the context of the group's broader CapEx budget?

Brian Gilvary

Management

Thanks, Rahim. On the first question, I think around the BEL claims. Clearly, there's a lot of uncertainty around what will happen going forward in terms of being able to recover those claims. In the event that we get a favorable ruling from the Fifth Circuit, it's not entirely clear yet what we will be able to recover, and we've made it very clear, though, in terms of the big substantial payments, we will pursue those. We're not looking to take out the little guys that may end up with some payments below $25,000. But in terms of those big, substantial payments that we can see out there, we will, and we put plaintiffs lawyers on notice, that we will seek to recover those in the event that we have a favorable ruling.

Robert W. Dudley

Management

And there's a lot of money flowing to plaintiffs’ attorneys themselves, not for representing people, but for what is said to be reductions in their legal business. So we've been averaging $812,000 for plaintiffs’ attorney firm so far since the claims were opened. Last week, it was $1.5 million for plaintiffs’ attorney firms. I mean, one firm actually got $15 million. So we will absolutely, depending on rulings and of course, in the future, pursue these. It's just not right. Now on the upstream.

H. Lamar McKay

Analyst

Exploration spend. We've said before that our spend rate in exploration is going to roughly double from where it was in the last few years. We're -- and that would put it somewhere around $2.5 billion to $3 billion when you consider all exploration CapEx and G&G seismic and all exploration spend. We're going to be about at that number this year and plan on keeping it there.

Robert W. Dudley

Management

And in late 2010, and early 2011, we noted -- and part of our strategy was double our exploration spending. So it's gone up from about $1 billion to $2.3 billion. And you can see that with all the activity we have going on now.

Jessica Mitchell

Management

All right. Turning now to Lucas Herrmann of Deutsche.

Lucas Herrmann - Deutsche Bank AG, Research Division

Analyst

I want to ask this question, but it is uncomfortable, and it's about the internal consequences of effectively putting in place a contract which has been open to misinterpretation. Your shareholders clearly are going to suffer or clearly, are suffering a significant loss as a consequence or certainly, that's the way it appears. What happens in terms of internal review or review of legal procedure, or what happened with lawyers, that you've found yourself in this position to start with? That's the first question and then I'll come back.

Robert W. Dudley

Management

Okay, well, Lucas, first, we don't believe we made a bad decision on the agreements. We have some of the best American law firms who are working with us. The guiding principle that they were given was make sure that we reach finality to this, but we make sure that people who are legitimately damaged by the spill were paid. This was a decision that was made by the board on these settlements going forward. And this is not a time for BP to begin to finger-point at anyone. We have great external advisers, great American lawyers, thorough decisions were made inside. But when you cannot depend on both the spirit and the content of an agreement to be interpreted as clearly we meant it to be, and it gets reinterpreted, you should expect us, shareholders, to not worry about internal consequences but actually fight and fight really hard to make sure that this thing gets righted.

Lucas Herrmann - Deutsche Bank AG, Research Division

Analyst

Two others, if I might. Just having done a fair amount of work on Thunder Horse now, I wonder whether you have any further observations around reservoir, potential reservoir performance, whether you're less concerned about damage to reservoir than perhaps was the case 12 to 18 months ago? And finally, one for Brian, taxation. Brian, you're reluctant to give guidance now for the year. But to the extent that understand the move in deferred tax and the reason for the increase, yes, absent huge volatility and currency again, then why should you find yourself in a position that you can't actually guide?

Brian Gilvary

Management

Let me take that one firstly because -- so it's not that we can't guide. The guidance remains at 36% to 38% and actually beyond this year, it will remain at 36% to 38%. It seems still good guidance beyond 2013. The simple issue is that when you have a basket of currencies, some of which devalued by 12%, that realizes a one-off deferred taxation that's come through in the second quarter. I've got no idea what will happen in the third or fourth quarter this year, but I think 36% to 38% on today's portfolio is still good guidance beyond this year. The only issue is that if the exchange rates stay where they are through this year, we're probably going to trend something close to 39%, 34 -- 39% or 40% for the year, if exchange rates should stay where they are today. But then, of course, you've got other things that will happen, and I'll just give you one example. In the third quarter, we have a benefit coming through from the U.K. of around $155 million around the tax changes that were made last year and actually came into law this month around the tax outside the North Sea ring fence going from 23% to 20%. So frankly, 36% to 38% is still good beyond the end of this year. For this year, given this one-off effect that we've had, now to the degree that currency starts to strengthen through the second half of this year, we may be back towards 38% or in the range. But it was just premature to actually say where we think we're going to go for the rest of the year. So it wasn't any desire to avoid it. It was just simply given the move that we saw come through in the second quarter, we thought it was imprudent to come out and say the 36% to 38% is confirmed.

H. Lamar McKay

Analyst

And real quickly on Thunder Horse. We've been, as you may be aware, doing what I think is quality reservoir management and making sure that we don't get too far ahead of water injection in several of the reservoirs, we're drilling water injectors, we're going to be commissioning the water injection. In fact, there are expansions for both producers and additional water injectors to increase recovery from Thunder Horse. So no, I'm not more worried about Thunder Horse. In fact, there's a tremendous amount of potential there in Thunder Horse and we've got a lot of work to do to get it. But we've been managing the reservoir, I think, just right and we'll be getting water in the ground here pretty soon.

Lucas Herrmann - Deutsche Bank AG, Research Division

Analyst

Lamar, can those wells go back to delivering what they had historically?

H. Lamar McKay

Analyst

When we get reservoir pressure back in sensible ranges for that type of production, yes, they potentially could. And we do still have some big wells in Thunder Horse that when we -- we have manually choked back wells to manage the reservoirs. So yes, I mean, it's not going to be instantaneous but it will come back, yes.

Robert W. Dudley

Management

I think, Lamar, that some of this was during the moratorium that was put in place in the Gulf of Mexico. It's slowed back much of the injection-drilling that we had planned.

H. Lamar McKay

Analyst

Yes, we'd put a hole in our program, and we've got to manage the reservoir appropriately until we get those injectors in the systems working. But they will come back, yes.

Jessica Mitchell

Management

Thanks, Lucas. And we'll go now to Colin Smith of VTB.

Colin Smith - VTB Capital, Research Division

Analyst

On a completely different subject and perhaps in anticipation of Whiting coming on at full song, I wondered if you could talk a little bit about how you're positioned against doing renewable fields obligations and the RINs problems that have been developing in the U.S., particularly with respect to next year where the targets look impossible to meet?

Iain C. Conn

Analyst

This is Iain. I mean, we're quite well-positioned in the short term on RINs. We're actually net long RINs and so we've been able to trade into this spike recently and have done quite well out of it. I'm very pleased about that. Over time, we're going to see that position become more balanced and will be neutral against the RINs position in a couple of years' time. But certainly, I'm rather relieved that we don't have some of the RIN obligations attached to the Southwest coast in Texas City at the moment because that would have probably been quite costly in the first half.

Robert W. Dudley

Management

And Iain, it's fair. We produce ethanol. We make ethanol and bioethanol in Brazil, which is part of why we're able to be in the spot we're in.

Jessica Mitchell

Management

Okay, and now Peter Hutton of RBC. Peter?

Peter Hutton - RBC Capital Markets, LLC, Research Division

Analyst

I'll just keep it to Rosneft. I mean, this is an area of disappointment but I think it was because analysts really got it wrong. And these are very early days in terms of reporting and it's difficult to get some kind of visibility. One of the creators of value of the Rosneft participation is the sharing of best practice. And I think one of these areas is helping Rosneft to communicate. Bob, you mentioned that, in fact, they can -- the Rosneft results came through slightly better than the analysts had been interpreting for others, on the BP side, came through lower than consensus. Is there any discussion internally in BP or directly with your joint venture partners in Rosneft on how they might, together, improve the communication of the results and the trends to make sure that the misses that were experienced in this quarter are going to be minimized as we go forward, recognizing these are still early days? Because I think that's one of the areas. The other element is back to Macondo, I'm afraid. And I'm raising this because I think actually a lot people would share your genuine sense of frustration and principal [ph] on this, and I say that quite seriously. You mentioned in your report about examining all other available legal options. Are you able to comment at this stage what those might be at this stage?

Robert W. Dudley

Management

Yes, Peter. Thank you for your thoughtful comments on both of these things. Yes, the duty lag in Russia was -- it's even -- it wasn't always that easy with BP, with TNK-BP, because we would see these swings in TNK-BP as well and it really is the way the tax reference price being set early. So it sort of doesn't match up with the quarter. So we, over many years, have been through that frustration as well because sometimes they come in higher than we were expecting as well as lower. And I think we'll see some of that. I think -- I don't know if there's that many people who follow Rosneft yet, and I think that those who are going to take that up and follow it, probably ought to really look carefully both at the ForEx and the way this duty lag works. So what we have done, and I can't really speak for what Rosneft has done, but I understand that their CFO has just recently brought in or built a team of 5 or 6 people to work on Investor Relations. We've had discussions with them on the messaging and how that could be done and pointed them at some talent and expertise in exactly what you're saying. So this is -- I think, it's a great point. And I think we can't, obviously, disclose in advance. Our disclosing rules are pretty careful. But if you talk to our Investor Relations team, they can give you some guidance on how duty lag works and some things to look out for and expect, and that might help, Peter. So your point is understood. On Macondo, we, as a company, from the very beginning, and it's sort of in the DNA of the company, wanted to…

Jessica Mitchell

Management

Okay, and we'll take the last question from Iain Reid of Jefferies.

Iain Reid - Jefferies LLC, Research Division

Analyst

A couple of questions. It is possible to quantify what the impact on CapEx, kind of medium-term CapEx, your $24 billion to $27 billion is going to be due to the deferment of the Mad Dog Phase 2 and Browse projects? So I presume there's going to be $1 billion or so coming out of what you'd expect over the next couple of years? So any numbers on that will be helpful. And secondly, on India, does the gas price increase that's been proposed at the moment now eliminate the goodwill number you were talking about there of around $3 billion. Are you -- would that kind of bring you up to kind of full value in terms of what you paid for, for the asset now?

Robert W. Dudley

Management

Yes, Iain, both good questions. You want comment on the...

H. Lamar McKay

Analyst

Well, just on the shape of the CapEx. I don't think, given all the different projects that we're working on and the capital budget that we have, I don't think that you can plug-and-play quite that cleanly with things like Mad Dog. We'll phase things and work things such that we stay within our capital guidelines and still get the right projects done.

Robert W. Dudley

Management

Yes, I actually think, Iain, that if we wanted to, certainly, we could probably go out and spend over $30 billion on major projects, good major projects all at once. And I think what we've decided to do, based on the feedback from our investors, is to make sure that that's not the path we go down. So we have a very disciplined capital program, and we've phased these things and moved them back. And if Mad Dog is pushed back, and actually some of the things that Lamar and the team are looking at might actual accelerate production but it just might not be the same CapEx phasing, our options out there, this is the benefit of having lots of things in the portfolio. On India, for those of you who may not be aware, this pricing discussion by the government, they made a decision on the pricing of domestic gas, which will be effective from the 1st of April 2014, the details of the policy, they haven't been communicated in writing but they have been orally, and you would have read about them. And in moving towards an arm's length market to determine gas price, which is what's in the PSC there, and that would take the price of gas of what is around $4.20 to under the way the formula works, to $8.40, roughly doubling it starting in April of next year. And obviously, this is right. It's good. If India doesn't make changes like these, what we'll leave them is a declining gas domestic market and then they'll be importing lots of expensive LNG. So that's the policy behind what they've done, which is a very wise thing for them to do. And then that's how these new fields that we just discovered, for example, will be developed under this new environment. Now on the goodwill, I'm going to turn it over to Brian here.

Brian Gilvary

Management

Yes, so Iain, there's no change in the goodwill. The goodwill is actually held at the upstream level, so we don't actually hold it at the asset level, so it had no impact on that. And all I would simply say is, if you look at the combinations of the things that we've invested in India, it looks like a very good investment today, given what's happened in the last 2 years.

Robert W. Dudley

Management

And we're drilling another exploration right now in India as well, in addition to that discovery. So we've got a lot of activity going on there and then that will be followed by appraisal work on this recent discovery. Okay. So just a few closing remarks. Certainly, our results were below expectations for the quarter, post-tax. I would just note that pretax, both the upstream and the downstream came in pretty much right on what most of the consensus was. We have a lot going on in the company in the areas of exploration, new projects coming on. We have a very active quarter. Keep your eye in the exploration wells. Keep your eye on the projects, the 2 other upstream projects that are coming on, and the Whiting startups and commissioning in the second half of the year. We're managing our costs. I think you should think of BP as an oil company, an oil and gas company that has a momentum, that is doing the things that it laid out to do as a more streamlined company after these $38 billion sort of divestments. We've got a 4% year-on-year increase in upstream production, setting aside the divestments. And we're on track for our 2014 targets. And we'll have litigation going off to the side. We think we can continue to deliver what our shareholders have talked about, progressive dividends. We've still got the buyback program that we have in place today that will keep going for quite a while. And we're going to -- and we talk about it a lot inside, capital discipline. I think that's one of the things that when we travel around and talk to our shareholders, they paint the brush over all of the integrated oil and gas companies and they talk about capital. And we heard that loud and clear about 18 months ago of going through a re-phase of the portfolio, and capital discipline is the way we're going to get to these targets and objectives that we have. Have patience with the legal efforts. There are some very, very well-known examples in our industry and others where legal activities sort of rumble along for a very long time. That's not really what we wanted, but we're organized to be able to move with that as well. So ladies and gentlemen, thank you very much for your time with us this afternoon and/or this morning, for those of you in the U.S. And, please call Jess and the team if you need anything else.