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Welcome to the BP presentation for the financial community webcast and conference call. I now hand over to Jessica Mitchell, Head of Investor Relations.
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Welcome to the BP presentation for the financial community webcast and conference call. I now hand over to Jessica Mitchell, Head of Investor Relations.
Jessica Mitchell - Head-Group Investor Relations
Management
Hello, and welcome. This is BP's Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2015 Results Webcast and Conference Call. I'm Jess Mitchell, BP's Head of Investor Relations. And I'm here with our Group Chief Executive, Bob Dudley, and our Chief Financial Officer, Brian Gilvary. Also with us for the Q&A is the Chief Executive of our Upstream, Lamar McKay, and Tufan Erginbilgic, Chief Executive of our Downstream. Before we start I need to draw your attention to our cautionary statement. During today's presentation we will make forward-looking statements that refer to our estimates, plans, and expectations. Actual results and outcomes could differ materially due to factors we note on this slide and in our U.K. and SEC filings. Please refer to our annual report, stock exchange announcement, and SEC filings for more details. These documents are available on our website. Thank you. And now over to Bob.
Robert W. Dudley - Group Chief Executive
Management
Thanks, Jess. Welcome, everybody, and thank you for joining us. It already looks like another very turbulent year for our industry, so I'll start today by looking at that business environment. Then I'll look at how we are responding and building resilience in these tough conditions. I'll then give you the headlines from the full-year results. As usual, Brian will take you through the detail of our fourth quarter numbers and provide an update to the medium-term guidance we laid out in October. Then I'll come back to briefly update you on the ongoing work in our Upstream and Downstream businesses. At the end there will as always be time for your questions. So let's start with the oil price environment. Between September 2014 and the end of 2015, we saw the price of oil fall by over $60 per barrel. And as we enter 2016 the fundamentals that caused this are still in play, which means prices are likely to remain very volatile in the near term. However, the market is responding to these low oil prices. Globally, supply is leveling out, especially in the United States, where output is declining. Last year low prices led to a steep increase in demand of approximately 1.8 million barrels per day, which is double the average annual demand growth of the past 10 years. These trends suggest that supply may converge with levels of demand sometime in the second half of this year. And as we move further out, we expect demand may well start to exceed supply, which is an increasingly consistent view across a number of industry commentators and data sources, including our own outlook. Of course inventories that have built up in the meantime would also need to work their way into the market. As this all starts…
Robert W. Dudley - Group Chief Executive
Management
Thanks, Brian. Turning to our businesses and looking first at the Upstream. In a challenging external environment we achieved a number of significant milestones in 2015. In exploration we made a high value discovery at the Atoll well, offshore Egypt. We were awarded new blocks in the Gulf of Mexico and Egypt, as well as achieving access in Mexico through our joint venture partner, Pan American Energy. We saw three major project startups in 2015, the Kizomba Satellites Phase 2 and Greater Plutonio Phase 3 projects in Angola, and the Western Flank A project on the Australian North West Shelf. The In Salah Southern Fields project in Algeria is expected to start up during the first quarter. And we made final investment decisions, or FIDs, on four major projects, including our two West Nile Delta projects in Egypt. In operations 15 turnarounds were successfully completed. And the performance of our base assets continues to improve. In its first year operating as a separate entity our U.S. Lower 48 onshore business delivered material improvements in competitiveness and performance. Unit production costs in 2015 were around 7% lower year on year. And by the fourth quarter capital efficiency on BP operated wells had improved by 15% compared to 2014, benefiting from some real innovation in well designs and improved execution by the team. We continue to deliver on our Upstream cost agenda, where we are rightsizing our organization, reducing our third-party spend, and influencing our partners where we are not the operator. Our total Upstream workforce is now 20% smaller than it was in 2013, with 11% fewer employees and 48% fewer agency contractors. We are aiming for a total Upstream employee and agency head count below 20,000, compared to around 30,000 in 2013. This will mean a further workforce reduction of…
Operator
Operator
Jessica Mitchell - Head-Group Investor Relations
Operator
Thank you all again for joining the call. And we will take the first question from Oswald Clint of Bernstein. Are you there, Oswald?
Oswald Clint - Sanford C. Bernstein Ltd.
Analyst
Yes, I am, Jess. Thank you very much. Yes. Two questions please. The first one really just coming on the back of Brian's comments about supply and trading, seemed to come up quite a lot this particular quarter. I wonder, Brian, if you could just remind us what happened in the quarter? And maybe point to the magnitude of these supply and trading impacts in the fourth quarter please? And secondly, probably stepping back to the CapEx number, the $17 billion number. And whenever we think about your comments about keeping it under review, should we think of that as that there's a portion or an element of that as potentially unsanctioned projects that could be deferred or pushed into next year if necessary? Or is it really the – kind of the results of the competitive bidding that you expect through the year that would actually allow you to change that number if required? Thank you. Brian Gilvary - Group Chief Financial Officer & Executive Director: Oswald, so I'll just pick up on the first question. As I should really talk about 4Q in the context of the year for supply and trading. It was a very good year, strong year for supply and trading, both in the oil business, where we had the highest results we've seen for the year in quite some time, and a strong set of results in the Upstream business in terms of gas trading and marketing. 4Q discrete though was a weak quarter. It was actually just below break-even on the oil trading side. And it was trading somewhere around about the plan on the Upstream side. If you actually add 3Q and 4Q together in terms of the numbers, as you try and sort of quantify what that looks like, the average of those two quarters is pretty typical for plan. So actually what's happened is 3Q, particularly strong in both; 4Q, more like a plan result for the gas side and just below break-even on the oil side.
H. Lamar McKay - Chief Executive Officer-Upstream Business
Analyst
Maybe I could hit CapEx, Brian. This is Lamar. Hi, Oswald. At least on the Upstream side on CapEx, there is some room for deferral if we really need to. As you can imagine it's relatively tight, given where we are in the capital cycle. And we do understand and will count on some additional deflation as we go forward into the year. Now part of that is already locked in, part of it is being negotiated. And we have the ability to phase and scope things as we go through the year. So there's some flexibility there if prices stay where they are today for instance.
Oswald Clint - Sanford C. Bernstein Ltd.
Analyst
Perfect. Thank you both of you.
Jessica Mitchell - Head-Group Investor Relations
Operator
Thanks, Oswald. We will go now to Irene Himona of Soc Gén. Irene Himona - Société Générale SA (Broker): Thank you. Yes. Good afternoon. I had two questions, please. Firstly, in terms of the $3.4 billion controllable cash cost reduction in 2015, you've said before I believe that around half of these costs are in third-party activity. In which case could you please clarify what proportion of that cost reduction was due to industry cost deflation? And what do you assume behind your $7 billion target for deflation? And then the second question on the financial framework, the targeted 2017 organic cash flow at $60. I think, Brian, you mentioned in the current environment that could be a lower number. But surely it won't be as low as $30. So my question is in a worst-case scenario of $30 into 2017, can you give us a sense of the cash flow deficit which you would face, once you account for the increased cost cutting, lower CapEx, et cetera? Thank you.
Robert W. Dudley - Group Chief Executive
Management
Irene, Hi. This is Bob. Lamar, comment on the Upstream, and Tufan on the Downstream on the cash cost reductions.
H. Lamar McKay - Chief Executive Officer-Upstream Business
Analyst
Thanks, Bob. Irene, you can imagine it's not an exact science here. But we believe that the cost reductions that we've seen so far, and it probably will hold on the cash cost side, is about two-thirds self-help and one-third deflation. Just to give you a little context, in the Upstream the cash costs are about – and it moves around a little bit – but at about 30% internal cost, let's call that head count; about 30% operated by others; and then about 40% third-party. Obviously we're working on all those categories. So far most of it has been self-help. We do think some more deflation will come in as we affect more and more contracts and bid more and more services as they come out of contracts going forward. But right now two-thirds/one-third is probably about as good as I can say for the Upstream.
Robert W. Dudley - Group Chief Executive
Management
Irene, out of the $7 billion a portion of that is in the Downstream. And all of that we think is sustainable cost reductions. Tufan?
Tufan Erginbilgic - Chief Executive Officer-Downstream Operations
Analyst
Thanks, Bob. That's absolutely right. So we actually raised, Irene, our cost reduction target to $2.5 billion from $1.6 billion. And as Bob said, all of that is sustainable. In fact, if anything, we are still working in an inflationary environment. And out of that $2.5 billion it is – we actually brought it forward by one year. We are now saying not by 2018, but 2017 – end of 2017. It is very much front-end loaded. In fact, we talk about $1.9 billion underlying performance improvement last year in Downstream. A significant part of it is cost efficiencies. And they are all sustainable. But our programs on efficiencies, multiyear programs, so there is more to come this year and in 2017 as well.
Robert W. Dudley - Group Chief Executive
Management
Thanks, Irene. Brian Gilvary - Group Chief Financial Officer & Executive Director: And then, Irene, in terms of financial frame, I think what we can say from what we said in the third quarter is we are very confident now in terms of the balancing point for 2017, given that we've now seen the cost come out of the system this year. So remember the $3.4 billion. Within that number we've already also taken a $600 million cancellation charge for some rigs earlier this year. So the actual – if you look through that number, it's more like $4 billion. We are confident we can get the capital towards the lower end of the range now for this year. And we set ourselves a plan last year of around $50, of actually – it was actually at $50 a barrel. And we've actually reset for this year a plan that has oil prices in the first quarter roughly around where you see them trade today. So I think we've set up a realistic set of assumptions for this year. As Bob described what we'll see around supply and demand, we do think there will be a point this year which that oversupply will start to be eroded going forward. And in terms of balance point I think to the degree that the oil prices stay lower this year, and it takes more time for that oil price to recover, we will monitor the balance point as we go through this quarter by quarter, ultimately recognizing that it's our desire to get things back into balance. So I think it's premature at this point to say, well, what happens if it's $30 next year? Clearly we'll have a plan B and potentially a plan C if we get to that point. But for now we're confident in terms of the balance point at $60. We are confident in terms of the plans we'd have to balance below that, given what we can now see on the costs. And we've raised the cost number up to something close to $7 billion. So I think there's still an awful lot of flexibility in the financial frame to deal with pretty much all potential scenarios going forward. Irene Himona - Société Générale SA (Broker): Thank you very much.
Jessica Mitchell - Head-Group Investor Relations
Operator
Okay. Thank you. And turning now to the U.S. And we'll take a question from Doug Terreson of Evercore. Are you there, Doug?
Doug Terreson - Evercore ISI
Analyst
I am. Good morning, everybody, and congratulations to Lamar.
H. Lamar McKay - Chief Executive Officer-Upstream Business
Analyst
Thanks, Doug.
Doug Terreson - Evercore ISI
Analyst
Bob, on slides 27 and 28 you referred to the project portfolio. And you talked about the outlook for growth over the longer term. Simultaneously though, I mean considering that growth has come somewhat at the expense of returns during the past cycle – not just for BP, but for the other super majors too – I mean it makes me wonder whether emphasis should rebalance more towards value creation when considering that investors have responded with fairly low valuation for these companies in relation to the past couple of decades. So the question is whether or not you feel that the issues of structure and returns and growth need to be revisited in more assertive fashion given this outcome, if they're not already, during the downturn? And why or why not?
Robert W. Dudley - Group Chief Executive
Management
Well, Doug, thanks. You're right. Our industry has not done particularly well utilizing our capital in the last part of the cycle. We're going to be very, very efficient and careful with our scarce capital. We do see that with the projects we have either sanctioned today – which some of them are very large gas projects coming in with fixed prices that have already been negotiated. Those are going to be – increase the margins on the portfolio. We have decisions to make this year. We've seen some incredible costs come down, both by our own design work with partners on certain projects and also deflation. For example, the Mad Dog project in the Gulf of Mexico, which a few years ago looked like it was economic at $100 a barrel and cost $20 billion. We now look at that project, it's under $10 billion. And so we're going to be really careful about sanctioning these projects, as long as we see the potential for improved returns if we defer them, which is what we're doing now, which is I think the discipline we need. We do get the feedback from our shareholders that the dividend is very important. It's always been a little bit different in the U.K. versus the U.S. But we're hearing more and more from both sides of the Atlantic that the dividend is very important. So we're going to manage the framework to do that. I think what you described is in fact what we're doing with our capital. We'll be really careful with it.
Doug Terreson - Evercore ISI
Analyst
Okay. Thanks a lot. That's the right answer.
Robert W. Dudley - Group Chief Executive
Management
Yeah. Having said that, Doug, when you look at the projects we have out to 2020, there's very much the potential there to increase production from our portfolio by 800,000 barrels a day in new projects. The phasing may be a little bit different. And of course the base production declines. But I think we've got a – some people say we don't have growth prospects. I know we do. So yeah.
Doug Terreson - Evercore ISI
Analyst
Okay. Great. Thanks a lot.
Robert W. Dudley - Group Chief Executive
Management
Thanks, Doug.
Doug Terreson - Evercore ISI
Analyst
Yeah.
Jessica Mitchell - Head-Group Investor Relations
Operator
Back in the U.K. now, we'll take a question from Martijn Rats at Morgan Stanley. Martijn P. Rats - Morgan Stanley & Co. International Plc: Yeah, good afternoon. I wanted ask you about the disposal program. Because clearly sort of getting through this downturn requires the balance sheet to – sort of to be managed. And for the balance sheet to be managed, the gap between dividends and free cash flow needs to be partly funded through disposals. But it seems a very difficult time to do disposals. So I wanted to ask you about how you see your plans to successfully pull off a robust level of disposals over the next couple of quarters? If you could provide some visibility on that that would be helpful. Brian Gilvary - Group Chief Financial Officer & Executive Director: Yeah, thanks, Martijn. It's Brian. I'll just pick up on that. And it's a very good point in terms of the current market, given there are so many assets up for sale out there and more of quite low prices. And just to be clear, we're not in a situation where we have to sell assets. If the opportunities are there and the value is there – but we're not going to start selling below our whole value, just in terms to give you some confidence around that. We delivered the $10 billion that we said we would've announced over 2014 and 2015, so that's good in terms of progress. You'll also recall at the third quarter we talked about the financial frame in terms of operating cash balancing up dividends and capital. And that disposal proceeds would now, point forward be used in terms of the obligations around the long-term payments on the various Macondo settlements and other liabilities associated with Macondo.…
Jessica Mitchell - Head-Group Investor Relations
Operator
Thanks, Martijn. Another question from the U.S., Blake Fernandez of Howard Weil.
Blake Fernandez - Scotia Howard Weil
Analyst
Oh, thanks. Maybe the other side of the M&A conversation. You recently did a transaction in the Lower 48, which was the first time in a while. I was hoping maybe you can give an update on what opportunities you're seeing there in a depressed market? And maybe an opportunity to do some bolt-on going forward?
H. Lamar McKay - Chief Executive Officer-Upstream Business
Analyst
Blake, hi. Lamar. Yes. We did do a relatively small acquisition in 4Q in Lower 48. And it was a bolt-on, as some of Devon's assets. And we do see opportunities like that. But some of the valuations in certain basins – and Permian would be one that I would highlight – really still pretty high. And so where it makes sense and we can show an investment case where it's competitive with the other capital we're spending, we'll do that. But we are starting to see opportunities like that, as people re-juggle their capital. And some of those may fit us. And we look at those opportunistically obviously.
Blake Fernandez - Scotia Howard Weil
Analyst
Okay. Thanks, Lamar. The second question, Brian, this might be for you. But the DD&A guidance is fairly flat. I'm just kind of curious, as you begin to sanction more and more projects and maybe do some M&A in this depressed environment, at what point do you think we can maybe begin to see a rollover in that DD&A? And do you have any sense of order of magnitude? Brian Gilvary - Group Chief Financial Officer & Executive Director: Yeah, that's a great question. Look, well we actually looked at that, just in terms of giving you forward guidance going forward. We've still got capital rolling off in terms of depreciation. We still have projects coming on stream. But I think flat for this year is a reasonable assumption. And then we'll see where the capital gets to going forward in terms of the trajectory. But we do have a number projects still coming on. Therefore, the DD&A schedule kicks in. But I don't see any major uptick from here. It may start to drift off a little bit, depending on where we get to around deflation this year and next.
Blake Fernandez - Scotia Howard Weil
Analyst
Thanks much.
Jessica Mitchell - Head-Group Investor Relations
Operator
Next we'll take a question from Jon Rigby of UBS. Go ahead, Jon.
Jon Rigby - UBS Ltd.
Analyst
Thank you. Yeah, two questions. The first is just on – about the CapEx and disposals. Is it – because you've given us sort of long-term guidance to disposal levels, is it perhaps we're thinking about your actual CapEx as being a net number – i.e., less the $2 billion to $3 billion – as a level of net investment into the business that can sustain the business going forward, rather than the growth figure that you talk about? And the second question is really a query actually. Could you go a little bit more into detail on the tax charges? Both sort of to disaggregate how 4Q came about, and perhaps how that relates to 2016, assuming that 2016's operating environment looks quite like the fourth quarter of 2015? Thanks.
Robert W. Dudley - Group Chief Executive
Management
Jon, let me start, and then Brian. It's interesting you say that, because that's exactly how we managed 2015. It was CapEx and disposals, and sort of set our own framework around just that. So we will do that going forward. It's kind of hard to set the CapEx number now, because it actually is drifting downward further with deflation. But, Brian, comment on that and the tax? Brian Gilvary - Group Chief Financial Officer & Executive Director: Yeah. On the tax, Jon, there's a lot of moving parts in 2015. You had the North Sea tax changes in the second quarter that affected the tax charge that quarter. Not for cash but in terms of the overall charge we took. You also had the deferred taxes, which were a benefit for us in terms of where the dollar movements on the deferred tax balances that we have. And then of course you've got the mix of the earnings now coming through from very different looking portfolios in the Upstream than we had before. And then the loss in the Upstream in the fourth quarter, which triggered the credit. So an awful lot of moving parts through this year. What we've tried to do is cut through that and actually get you to an underlying effective tax rate, if you take out the big North Sea change, but keep the deferred tax movements in, of around 31% for the year. And looking forward into 2016, we would expect that effective tax rate to be lower, which is the guidance that we've given you. How low it is compared to where we are today is very much a function of the portfolio mix of assets that we have, particularly in the Upstream, and what those earnings look like. In the Downstream it's far more stable in terms of predictability going forward. But it will really be about the various points of the tax regimes in which we operate inside the Upstream and balance of those. But we are confident it will be lower than the 31% we've had for this year.
Jon Rigby - UBS Ltd.
Analyst
Thank you.
Jessica Mitchell - Head-Group Investor Relations
Operator
Okay. Turning now to Rob West of Redburn. Rob West - Redburn (Europe) Ltd.: ...taking my question. I'm going to have another one on tax rates if you can bear it. My question is if you strip out tax credits, if you assume you couldn't book any tax credits at all, what would be the cash tax rate relative to that 31%? And can you help me think about that as a metric, potentially come apart in a low price environment? And then secondly on the gearing, you always talk about it in terms of balance sheet gearing. But I wondered do you ever think about it in terms of net debt to cash flow or any other metrics? And how should we see the ceiling there, if you sort of broaden the gearing metrics you think about for where your comfortable going up to? Thank you. Brian Gilvary - Group Chief Financial Officer & Executive Director: Okay, Rob. Thank you. So the first answer is the long run average, if you look at our cash tax paid versus charged, typically runs at 5% to 7% below the effective tax rate. That's just a good rule of thumb if you look over the last 5 years or 7 years, as we've looked at it in terms of the actual tax paid. We're now into all sorts of other movements that have kicked in with this low oil price. But I think that's a pretty good estimate going forward, if you're looking for what the actual cash tax looks like, taking into account for the deferred tax credits that you have roll in. In terms of metrics I mean it's actually a very good point on the gearing point. It's one that we've just shown over a long, long time, since it's been part of the financial frame. The metric that we use internally, that we look at very closely and monitor and performance management, is really funds from operations. So free cash flow or cash flow from operations over our extended debt book, which is something the rating agencies look at as well. So we take on board the debt we're carrying, plus all of the leases for rigs and other activities. And then we look at that metric in terms of the actual cash we're generating over that extended piece. And we like to manage that in a certain range. But the gearing is more of a – it gives you an indicator. Actually right now in terms of debt we have a lot of capacity. But we're not about to try and start to use that, other than to be able to manage through this transition we've got into the new low price environment. Rob West - Redburn (Europe) Ltd.: Okay. Could I just make sure I heard you correctly? So you're saying in a sort of 30% to 40% tax environment, your cash tax rate will be lower than the P&L tax rate?
Robert W. Dudley - Group Chief Executive
Management
Correct. Rob West - Redburn (Europe) Ltd.: Okay. Thank you.
Jessica Mitchell - Head-Group Investor Relations
Operator
Right. I have a question from Jason Kenney come in via the web. What needs to happen for the U.S. Upstream to return to a quarterly profit? Is this possible in 2016?
H. Lamar McKay - Chief Executive Officer-Upstream Business
Analyst
Let me take that one. Jason, this is Lamar. A couple things need to happen. One is we need to of course continue to run the assets well, which by the way, the Gulf of Mexico has been running exceptionally well the last couple of years. That's got to continue. If I just take 4Q, which is sitting right in front of me, if you – exploration write offs were pretty high in the Gulf of Mexico with the Gila write-off. If I could put exploration write-offs to the side for a second and we run things pretty well, we need a little bit of price help, and the entire U.S. would return to profitability. So it's – at $40 a barrel it's very difficult. And 4Q the gas price for Lower 48 or anywhere in the U.S. was exceptionally low. So we do need a bit of price help. If that's going to happen in 2016, which Brian I think has outlaid our view and how terms – or prices could increase towards the back end of the year. Yeah, I think you could see it. But again we had quite high exploration write-offs this year. So the U.S. overall was negative $850 million (1:04:38).
Jessica Mitchell - Head-Group Investor Relations
Operator
Okay. Thanks, Lamar. And we'll take the next question from Asit Sen in the U.S. from CLSA.
Asit Sen - CLSA Americas LLC
Analyst
Thank you and good morning. Two questions, one on Upstream CapEx and a quick one for Tufan on Downstream. In this capital-constrained environment, Bob, just wondering if you could talk to two specific areas, Eagle Ford Shale and exploration. Eagle Ford Shale is material for BP. You have about 200,000 net acres there. Could you frame the thought process with respect to projected activity, volume trajectory this year in 2016 versus last year? And secondly, your comment on paring exploration spend, totally understandable in this environment. Could you quantify how you're thinking about calibrating this? Because historically you have been fairly active in reloading exploration pipeline.
Robert W. Dudley - Group Chief Executive
Management
Asit, thanks. I'll comment on exploration, and Lamar on the Eagle Ford. Our exploration – obviously we've got discretion in exploration. We have commitments out there. We'll meet those commencements. But our exploration spending is down from roughly $3.5 billion in 2013 down to about $1 billion now. Now that's still a lot of activity, but that's a significant reduction. That's the one thing I think that we can phase. And we'll just be very cautious and careful around that, just about the exploration and drilling spend. Lamar, on the Lower 48, the Eagle Ford?
H. Lamar McKay - Chief Executive Officer-Upstream Business
Analyst
Yeah. In the Eagle Ford you're quite right. We have a sizable position in the Eagle Ford in partnership with Lewis. Activity is slower there this – has been slower in 2015 than prior years. We are on a bit of the gassy side in the Eagle Ford. A fantastic asset with lots of well locations to go. But the activity has been attenuated. I don't have, Asit, right at the top of my head whether they – I think, thinking flat production probably is about right for that, rather than any major growth going forward for the next year or 2 years. But obviously we have to work the plans with Lewis and see where those investments and Dave Lawler's portfolio fit. But I think the Eagle Ford will be – at least our Eagle Ford will be attenuated a little bit here for the next couple years.
Robert W. Dudley - Group Chief Executive
Management
And a – all right. Asit, and a footnote on the exploration costs. I mean actually our deferral of exploration is a little bit like some the major projects. The drilling costs are coming down really fast. And so it's I think in our best interest to slow down a bit.
H. Lamar McKay - Chief Executive Officer-Upstream Business
Analyst
And can I add just maybe one point on renewal versus organic exploration. We are also working pretty hard to add unconventional resources into the hopper. And Oman is a great example, which is renewal. But it's not inside the exploration expenses or typical organic exploration. So when we think about renewal, it's organic exploration, it's unconventional access, it's Russia, and it's potentially bolt-on acquisitions if they are valuable to us.
Asit Sen - CLSA Americas LLC
Analyst
Thanks. Very helpful. And a quick one on Downstream. And thanks for the details on Downstream cash flow and EBITDA. Was wondering if Tufan could speak to 2016 CapEx outlook? Should we consider roughly $2 billion as a good run rate, trying to get to a free cash flow outlook here?
Tufan Erginbilgic - Chief Executive Officer-Downstream Operations
Analyst
I'm not sure – we actually give sort of segment CapEx numbers here. But I think I will say sort of we said $2 billion to $3 billion range I think in 3Q. And that is what you should expect, somewhere in that range. Obviously we will continue to calibrate that CapEx as we calibrate group CapEx in the context of the environment.
Asit Sen - CLSA Americas LLC
Analyst
Thank you.
Jessica Mitchell - Head-Group Investor Relations
Operator
All right. Back in the U.K. Theepan Jothilingam of Nomura.
Theepan Jothilingam - Nomura International Plc
Analyst
Yeah, thanks, Jess. Good afternoon, gentlemen. Two questions, please. Could you maybe talk about how important the credit rating is to BP? And if there was a downgrade, what that would cost you both sort of operationally and financially? And then secondly, just on business economic losses. I know you're not providing estimates going forward. But I was just wondering if you'd give us an update in terms of sort of the number of claims that were processed? What's been rejected? And what sort of remains in terms of just claims and numbers there? And maybe a profile there? Brian Gilvary - Group Chief Financial Officer & Executive Director: Yeah, Theepan, it's Brian. In terms of firstly credit rating. Obviously the whole sector has been on watch. And you saw the note last night around one of the agencies. We're currently sitting at a rating of A with both major agencies, one on negative outlook, one on positive outlook. But now seeing a likely downgrade. So from our perspective right now the average cost of borrowing for BP of our debt book is just over 2%. So I don't think a downgrade per se on that would have a significant impact, probably 10 basis points or 15 basis points on the portfolio. But also remember that we are carrying very high cash balances, which have served us well over the past 4 years or 5 years. And those balances will naturally roll down. So we wouldn't be expecting to renew all of our debt on a roll-forward basis. So I would say it would not have a significant impact from a financial frame perspective if that were to occur. And then in terms of bell claims right now where we are, is of the 146,000 total claims that have come into the PSC in terms of the court supervised settlement fund, we have 56% have been processed and 44% are still in progress. That leaves 64,000 claims. 82,000 have been processed, where 30,000 offers have been made and 52,000 cases have been rejected with no payment. So that gives you a summary of where we are that process. And we are working closely with the court supervised settlement fund in terms of a number of opportunities to try and progress issues with them and the Plaintiffs' Steering Committee in terms of moving that process forward.
Theepan Jothilingam - Nomura International Plc
Analyst
Thanks very much.
Jessica Mitchell - Head-Group Investor Relations
Operator
Okay. Next question from Fred Lucas of JPMorgan.
Fred Lucas - JPMorgan Securities Plc
Analyst
Afternoon, guys. Question for Brian. Could you clarify the oil price deck that you're now running for your ceiling test, your impairment test? I think last year it was a strip that run up to $97 Brent in 2020. So if you could talk us through that deck, both for oil and Henry Hub? And a follow-up question on the dividend for Bob. Bob, your stock is now yielding 8%. I hear everything you say about your resolve to sustain the dividend. But I just wondered if the market continues to bet against you and price your dividend very differently to how you think they should, does that affect your resolve in any way to sustain your dividend? And if I may, a question for Tufan please. Could you give some color on the outlook for gasoline margins please? Brian Gilvary - Group Chief Financial Officer & Executive Director: So, Fred, if I just pick up the first one, probably the easiest one, which is around the forward strip. We use for our impairment tests the 5-year forward strip. This year we did some – we ran calculations around the middle of December. We then reran those, given the whole curve moved in early January. So we ran them in the early part of January. So based on that assumption 2020 would've had an oil price of about $56 a barrel on the forward curve, because we use the 5-year forward curve. And that's a policy we've had in place for a long time. And that's basically the answer, where we are.
Fred Lucas - JPMorgan Securities Plc
Analyst
What do you use after the 5 years, Brian? Brian Gilvary - Group Chief Financial Officer & Executive Director: We then use our long-term assumptions. So by the time you get out to 2021, it would be whatever the $80 value is on a real basis from 2015.
Fred Lucas - JPMorgan Securities Plc
Analyst
$80 Brent? Brian Gilvary - Group Chief Financial Officer & Executive Director: Correct.
Fred Lucas - JPMorgan Securities Plc
Analyst
And Henry Hub? Brian Gilvary - Group Chief Financial Officer & Executive Director: It would be – so in terms of the 5-year strip of what we've used?
Fred Lucas - JPMorgan Securities Plc
Analyst
Yeah. Brian Gilvary - Group Chief Financial Officer & Executive Director: We've used a figure of $3.18 is what we've been using in 2020, although that's certainly on the conservative side. But it's what the 5-year strip gave us. And long, long-term we have an assumption of $5 real, and whatever that would translate to out in 2021.
Fred Lucas - JPMorgan Securities Plc
Analyst
Right. Thanks.
Robert W. Dudley - Group Chief Executive
Management
And, Fred, on the dividend I think it's worth putting some of the numbers in perspective. Last year we paid a dividend of $6.6 billion. We had $18.7 billion of CapEx, which is a lever there. We've got cash costs of $24 billion. Those are coming down. So we've got lots of things to work on here, as well as keeping the growth going. And then our gearing level. So as we look at the supply and demand going forward, this is a cycle. It – we think it will tighten up here. So it's not – I think it's – obviously we're not going to do something crazy here. But right now we think it's – the right thing is to maintain what we hear in the feedback from our shareholders around the dividend resolve. Brian Gilvary - Group Chief Financial Officer & Executive Director: I mean maybe, Fred, just to sort of supplement that. We came into the start of last year with a – what I believe is a realistic price assumption of $50 a barrel for our plans this year. And the imbalance we ended up running this year was $4.5 billion, which is in my view an incredibly strong result in terms of the imbalance, given we went from $100 a barrel down to $50 in pretty rapid order. We've now seen $3.5 billion of costs come out. We think we can take out $7 billion. We've moved the capital range from $24 billion to $26 billion down to $17 billion. I think what we're trying to say is we have a huge amount of flexibility within the existing frame. And we'll monitor it quarter by quarter. But we're not going to sort of hold a position that hell or high water, we're going to hold this position. It's in the round of all the other parts of the financial frame.
Fred Lucas - JPMorgan Securities Plc
Analyst
Okay. So from that do I hear you say that it doesn't matter therefore how the market prices your dividend in terms of how you view it? Brian Gilvary - Group Chief Financial Officer & Executive Director: I think what we focus on, Fred, is the things that we control internally. And we let the market set the yield.
Fred Lucas - JPMorgan Securities Plc
Analyst
Right. Okay.
Robert W. Dudley - Group Chief Executive
Management
And I would just add, as we look at the results that we put out in the fourth quarter, the operating cash flow of $5.8 billion. I think people seem to be looking past that, because it was a very healthy cash generation in the fourth quarter for us.
Fred Lucas - JPMorgan Securities Plc
Analyst
And given your confidence around that, your ability to get to that cash flow balance, could you not commit to pay $0.40 this year and at least that next, as indeed some other companies have done with their dividends? Brian Gilvary - Group Chief Financial Officer & Executive Director: Yeah, Fred, I think that's really a matter for the Board. And I think it'd be rather imprudent without talking to our investors about that first. So I don't think that's the sort of thing we'd talk about on a call. But that's really matter for the Board.
Fred Lucas - JPMorgan Securities Plc
Analyst
Okay.
Tufan Erginbilgic - Chief Executive Officer-Downstream Operations
Analyst
Fred, on the gasoline margins, I guess refining margins probably you are after there, here's how I see it. So last year actually refining surplus, capacity surplus was the lowest among if you look at last 5 years. So therefore we actually experienced slightly – relatively better margins last year. What you should expect in 2016, we expect 1.3 million barrels refining capacity coming into the market this year. And the demand expectation is 1.5 million barrels, but 0.3 million [barrels] of that will being NGL and biofuels. Therefore, you should take 1.24 million [barrels] refining. And also going into this year we have high gasoline and diesel stocks. So what you will see, refining capacity surplus will go up this year. But actually given the strong demand – because 1.5 million [barrels] is still very strong demand. Given the strong demand you should expect that refining margins will be lower than last year, but still well supported. And between gasoline and diesel, as was the case last year, given that low crude price environment is driving gasoline demand, you should expect sort of better gasoline cracks then diesel cracks. But one thing I will say, this is environment. So that what we do, really we have a very quality portfolio in refining. But actually we have a strategy to expand earnings potential of that portfolio. And last year in 2015 we more than doubled refining earnings at constant environment to 2014. And we have more performance improvement opportunity going forward. So that should tell you we are actually increasing the earnings at the constant environment in refining.
Fred Lucas - JPMorgan Securities Plc
Analyst
Sure. Very clear. Thanks, Tufan.
Jessica Mitchell - Head-Group Investor Relations
Operator
Okay. Thank you, Fred. And we'll go to Pavel Molchanov at Raymond James in the U.S. Pavel S. Molchanov - Raymond James & Associates, Inc.: Thanks for taking the question. You referenced the fact that Downstream would be the likely focus of your asset disposals this year. Are you concerned at all about becoming too much of an E&P company if you continue to monetize your refining assets? Brian Gilvary - Group Chief Financial Officer & Executive Director: Yeah, Pavel, that was really a backward looking statement. But actually during 2015 a lot of the disposals that we got away were in the Downstream. And looking forward there are still some parts of the Downstream inside there. But also some midstream assets in terms of pipelines and so on and terminals. So it's a mix going forward. And in terms of the balance of the portfolio that's something that we look at in terms of long-term strategy and where the company is heading. And actually it feels pretty good right now. It gets back to the whole point of integration of having a Downstream business.
Robert W. Dudley - Group Chief Executive
Management
Yeah. Having divested the $75 billion or so, of which 80% of it is Upstream, we do like the portfolio. We think it has a good balance. It's working well. We've got – I mean I'll say it's a good thing we divested 13 refineries in the last decade, because what we have now are very high-quality refineries and markets that are growing and emerging markets. Tufan, you want to...
Tufan Erginbilgic - Chief Executive Officer-Downstream Operations
Analyst
Just one thing to that. We are not actually divesting any assets we would like to keep in the portfolio. So these are non-core assets and totally in line with our strategy, totally in line with the strategy that I outlined. Not beyond that really. So these are strategic divestments other than chasing the cash. Pavel S. Molchanov - Raymond James & Associates, Inc.: And then just quickly on the balance sheet. 20% is your medium-term target for gearing. What is the absolute highest level that you would possibly be able to accept? Brian Gilvary - Group Chief Financial Officer & Executive Director: Yeah, Pavel, so we don't have a target of 20%. We just simply said we would manage it around 20%. It's likely to stay above 20%, while the oil price stays what it is, just be absolutely clear. We don't look at it in terms of gearing as a target. I could take you back during the crisis at Macondo in 2010, and our net debt rose to a figure of $35 billion, $36 billion. We are a long way away from that today. So we wouldn't really have gearing as the absolute metric. It's things like the amount of operating cash we're generating over the extended debt book is one of the sort of more key measures that we'd look at in terms of where we'd manage that.
Robert W. Dudley - Group Chief Executive
Management
And historically before the accident, Pavel, we ran the company with a financial framework with gearings between 20% and 30% for many years. We took it down to 10% to 20% following the accident to move through the uncertainties around that. I think most of those are fortunately resolved now. So we're at 21% at a time when we – you can compare that I think to historically. We're very comfortable at that level. Pavel S. Molchanov - Raymond James & Associates, Inc.: Got it.
Jessica Mitchell - Head-Group Investor Relations
Operator
Okay. Thanks, Pavel. Now a question from Aneek Haq of Exane.
Aneek Haq - Exane Ltd.
Analyst
Hi. Thank you very much, guys. I just wanted to ask – I guess one of the questions has been asked a couple of times. But maybe just in terms of laying out your priorities, you mentioned the dividend being important for shareholders. But if you were to prioritize the dividend, balance sheet, and sustaining your production in this weak environment, can you maybe just sort of put that, Bob, in terms of how you would see it? And then also a question for Lamar. It's the same question I asked last quarter as well. But just wanted an update on where you're seeing from a regional perspective the most success coming through from a deflationary perspective on operating and CapEx deflation?
Robert W. Dudley - Group Chief Executive
Management
Yeah, Aneek, thanks. Well the dividend and the balance sheet and sustaining production, we have really focused on getting off the production treadmill. So it's really value over volume. And the new projects coming on, some of them have much higher margins than our current portfolio. So we'll – focused on that. We certainly are and expect to see out to the end of the decade an increase in production, but that's actually not what we want to focus on. It is that cash flow that comes from all of our assets. So I look at the balance sheet today, it's a strong balance sheet. And the dividend works well with it. And I know it's all in the headlines about all of particularly European oil companies, can they maintain these dividends? It is very important to our shareholders. But we're not going to drive the company off of a cliff. I mean we'll be wise about this, and the Board will be wise as we go forward. It's just the balance sheet is strong. As long as it stays strong, it's a priority.
H. Lamar McKay - Chief Executive Officer-Upstream Business
Analyst
Aneek, this is Lamar. The areas that have responded quickest and most aggressively to the environment, similar to what we said last time. The Lower 48 moved first and hardest I think in terms of excess capacity. And that was matched in terms of percentages. And percentages, I'm talking 30% to 50% in lots of different services. It was matched globally with deep-water rigs and globally with some seismic – many seismic services. Now what we're seeing around the world, people are responding to what it looks like, a lower for longer set of circumstances. So it is adjusting pretty materially everywhere. Middle East was the slowest and has been the slowest to react. But it's even reacting there. So I think this is what we've seen in past cycles, where it takes a couple years before things start really stabilizing. And you can understand exactly where the deflationary curves are going. So folks are catching up to the Lower 48 I guess is the way to think about it. And as you go each year, more and more of the operators' portfolios are exposed to new contracts to negotiate. And so that's a – that helps in terms of resetting the price curve.
Aneek Haq - Exane Ltd.
Analyst
Thank you very much, guys.
Jessica Mitchell - Head-Group Investor Relations
Operator
Okay. And next Lydia Rainforth of Barclays. Go ahead, Lydia.
Lydia R. Rainforth - Barclays Capital Securities Ltd.
Analyst
Thanks, Jess, and good afternoon. Two questions if I could. The first one just going up that chart or map that you had on the long-term growth option. And clearly there is a lot of different options in a number of geographies I think post 2020. But what sort of growth rate do you think the portfolio is capable of supporting at that level? And sort of – and I know you talk about volume over – or value over volume developed. At what sort of level would you want BP to grow at if at all on that longer-term number? And then the second point, just come back to the cash flow from operations. And is there anything unusual in terms of the working cap move that we should be aware of going into 2016? Thank you.
Robert W. Dudley - Group Chief Executive
Management
Lydia, thanks. Both good questions. Start on the Upstream one, and then Lamar, and then Brian on the working capital. Long-term growth. You look at those, there are a lot of projects out there. And some of these projects are well underway. We do see a portfolio capable of seeing 800,000 barrels a day additional production from those projects by 2020. There may be – depending on phasing there may be better economics to delay some of them. We'll talk about that. We talked about the Mad Dog project as an example earlier. Right now it looks like we're being – we're able to keep the underlying decline of our assets at around a 2% level, which is very, very good. And it's because of the reliability of how we're running things. In longer term 3% to 5% would be more likely. But I think we're very capable of growing around those figures. Lamar?
H. Lamar McKay - Chief Executive Officer-Upstream Business
Analyst
Yeah. I'd just build on that. I think the 800,000 barrels a day out to 2020 is solid. And it's built as you say, Bob, correctly on a base that's performing well. Those projects for the vast majority of them are in execute. And so the bigger deferral decisions or phasing decisions that we're making affect the period post 2020. And we have – you ask kind of a theoretical question, what's the portfolio capable of growing? And I don't think we'd want to put a number of it, because I do think if you – I know we wear out Mad Dog as an example. But it is going to happen. And it is going to be from one case to the other super value accretive. Yet it may attenuate growth in the year 2020 from what it could've been. So we're looking at every single investment decision to make sure that we're optimizing value, hitting the market at the right time, making sure scope, scale, phasing is correct to optimize each investment. So I think we signaled growth through 2020 and beyond. And we called it different words – moderate, gentle. And I think we'll stick with that. Brian Gilvary - Group Chief Financial Officer & Executive Director: And, Lydia, on the last question in terms of working capital, we actually had all in by the end of the year a $300 million working capital build for the full year. So we might expect some of that to be released through next year. But just a lot of moving parts. And in the fourth quarter we had $1.5 billion release coming through those numbers, the $5.8 billion that Bob talked about. But for the year in terms of the $19.1 billion, or $20.3 billion excluding the Macondo payments. Overall it was a $300 million build this year. Nothing particularly that we'll expect that will move things around next year, other than the oil price itself and the flat price. And that obviously has an impact on the way up and on the way down in terms of where we go from here.
Robert W. Dudley - Group Chief Executive
Management
Before you take the next question, we are aware that there's a conference call with another big oil company that starts in about two minutes. So we recognize that some of you have to get off. And those that do thank you for joining us. But keep going, Jess.
Jessica Mitchell - Head-Group Investor Relations
Operator
Okay. So Guy Baber of Simmons. Are you still there, Guy? Guy Allen Baber - Simmons & Company International: I am. Thanks very much for taking the question. I wanted to start with a macro question here, and then I had a follow-up. But obviously you've highlighted previously balancing sources and uses of cash at $60 a barrel in 2017. And stating the obvious that the forward curve right now is about 30% below that price. So we understand the forward curve is far from a perfect indicator of price. But it's still a disconcerting gap. So can you just help us reconcile that gap, perhaps by highlighting in some more detail what fundamentally gives you the greatest confidence in a return to $60 in the next couple of years? And along with that with your global perspective can you update us on what you are seeing from a global demand growth perspective for oil? That underpins your expectation that you highlight on slide 6 for inventory draws by the end of this year?
Robert W. Dudley - Group Chief Executive
Management
Maybe I'll start on the global one, and then we'll get back to the balance point, Guy. Thank you for the question. We do see – last year increase in global demand for oil was up 1.8 million barrels. Put that in perspective – and that was one of the highest growth rates in about 10 years. Put that in perspective today, the world produces around 93 million barrels. Right now today it looks like there's about 1 million barrels surplus. We do see growth continuing in North America and China in particular for petroleum products. So we're estimating demand growth around 1.5 million [barrels]. So we see production falling in the U.S. There's other sources coming on. But we think that on a daily basis it will come into balance third quarter and fourth quarter. And you have a lot of stocks out there that need to be drawn. But I think the plugs on all those stock tanks and ships and swimming pools filled with oil will start to drain. And at some point after that sentiment will change. And that makes some assumptions about Chinese growth rate, U.S. growth rates. We're not negative on those growth rates. At these low prices we're seeing increases in demand in many places around the world. So that's our global reason why we think we're going to get back into balance this year, as we have so often in these cycles. Brian Gilvary - Group Chief Financial Officer & Executive Director: Yeah. And in terms of forward curve, you're quite right. The forward curve is somewhat lower than that figure. But of course when we set the plan at $50 last year, the forward curve would have told us $75, which I think would have been an incredibly imprudent thing to…
Robert W. Dudley - Group Chief Executive
Management
And with the oil price, Guy, I think it's important to remember this industry has a remarkable track record for readjusting its cost structures. And of course it did go up to the $100 per barrel world there for a while. And people thought maybe that's the new normal. But these are cycles. And back when it was $25 a barrel, the industry made money, at $40 a barrel, at $50 a barrel. So this industry moves fast. That's why you see the costs coming down in deflation. So even if it's not $60 next year, it's below $60, somewhere in the $50s, I think we can still balance things in 2017. Guy Allen Baber - Simmons & Company International: Thanks very much for that very comprehensive answer. And then on the final point that you made about the cost structure readjusting, you've highlighted that pre-FID major project breakevens are down 15% from a year ago. Do you have a target for incremental improvement on that front if low oil prices persist, consistent with your plan through the balance of this year? Just trying to get a sense of the incremental opportunity for ongoing major project improvement. What you might be saying a year from now, against a collapse in the commodity?
H. Lamar McKay - Chief Executive Officer-Upstream Business
Analyst
Guy, hi. This is Lamar. I do think there will be more deflation to come this year. And it will affect that aggregate 15% reduction that we've talked about. And we're seeing that flow through. So we don't have necessarily a target. But each project, project-by-project we are trying to optimize when – with our contractors, with our partners to optimize when and how we go to the market and try to evaluate what is the price, what is the cost, what is the benefit of doing it now versus trying to do something a little later. So I do think there will be more to come. But we're not targeting a particular number and then pressing the green light. So each project is different. Guy Allen Baber - Simmons & Company International: Fair enough. Thanks, Lamar.
Jessica Mitchell - Head-Group Investor Relations
Operator
Moving now to Biraj Borkhataria from RBC.
Biraj Borkhataria - RBC Europe Ltd.
Analyst
Hi. Thanks for taking my question. Two if I may. First one on the Lower 48. You've talked a lot about cost deflation. But when I look at the additional disclosure you have, the production cost per barrel was actually up Q-on-Q as well as CapEx. So I was wondering if you could provide any color on that. And whether there was a timing issue or anything else? And then second question is following up on the credit rating. Do you foresee any second derivative effects from having a credit rating downgrade? Such as an impact on your LNG trading arm or anything like that. Any color there would also be appreciated. Thanks.
H. Lamar McKay - Chief Executive Officer-Upstream Business
Analyst
Biraj, hi. This is Lamar. Yes, on Lower 48 4Q was up on CapEx and costs a bit. A couple things to say there. One, some of those rises are seasonal. Secondly, we did have the acquisition of the piece that I talked about in 4Q. And an interesting thing in 4 in – well throughout this year actually, and as we look year on year over the last three years, our costs, our company operating costs have come down over 20%. Whereas our operated by others costs have gone up by something on the order of 5% or 6% over that period. And they're still higher in 2015 than they were in 2014. So I suspect those will drop. So I think when I've been talking about the Lower 48 in recent quarterly discussions, I've been talking mostly about what we've been doing in self-help in our own business, which has come down as I say about 20%. The aggregate for 4Q – or for this year was 7%. So I think the team is on track. And we're now – just to give you a piece of context, we're now in terms of cost, equivalent or below our average costs of the operated by others portfolio.
Jessica Mitchell - Head-Group Investor Relations
Operator
Right. Biraj, I think you had a second part of your question was on – related to credit ratings. Would you mind just to repeat that?
Biraj Borkhataria - RBC Europe Ltd.
Analyst
Sure. Just following on from Theepan's question. So if there was to be a credit rating downgrade of one or two notches, would there be any impact on any other part of the business, outside of increased borrowing costs such as your LNG contracts? Brian Gilvary - Group Chief Financial Officer & Executive Director: No. Absolutely – no, no. There'd be no impact.
Biraj Borkhataria - RBC Europe Ltd.
Analyst
Okay. Thank you.
Jessica Mitchell - Head-Group Investor Relations
Operator
Thank you. And turning now to David Gamboa of Tudor Pickering Holt. David Gamboa - Tudor, Pickering, Holt & Co. International LLP: Hi. Good afternoon. Thanks for taking my questions. I just had one, probably a bit – if you could give a bit more detail on the Upstream spend for 2016? Talked about $1 billion in the exploration side of things. I was thinking about if you could probably give us a bit more detail on what you expect to spend on base expenditure and what on development? Just trying to get a sense on what do you need to spend in order to maintain that 3% to 5% decline in the long term. Thank you.
H. Lamar McKay - Chief Executive Officer-Upstream Business
Analyst
Thanks, David. This is Lamar. The exploration spend, as Bob said, will be probably just over $1 billion in 2016, similar to this year. The remainder of this spend – roughly, roughly – is half projects and half base and what we call wedge or in-fill. Within that base and wedge – within the base and the wedge categories there's – we haven't given exact breakdowns. But I think you could say about 40% of that is probably base, what we call base spend. And then the rest would be various in-fill programs and programs of – in and around the base field. So think of it as half projects, half base and wedge, with maybe about 40% in terms of maintaining the base underlying. David Gamboa - Tudor, Pickering, Holt & Co. International LLP: Okay. Thank you very much.
Jessica Mitchell - Head-Group Investor Relations
Operator
Moving next to Gordon Gray of HSBC. Go ahead, Gordon.
Gordon M. Gray - HSBC Bank Plc
Analyst
Thanks, good afternoon. Two quick ones if I could. One was in the past you've been talking pretty optimistically about your Gila discovery in the Gulf of Mexico. Obviously that's now the subject of a write-down in the charges today. Maybe talk us through a little bit what's changed there? And what you're seeing now that you didn't before? And secondly, in the impairment charge I see there was something of $1 billion-odd of impairment reversals. And I know you've run us through what your pricing assumptions are in here. Could you run us through that comment on the change in the discount rate? How you set that if you can? And roughly what impact that might've had on the impairments? Thanks.
Robert W. Dudley - Group Chief Executive
Management
Yeah. Good question, Gordon. Lamar? And then Brian.
H. Lamar McKay - Chief Executive Officer-Upstream Business
Analyst
On Gila. So we did – we have written off Gila. We have not relinquished the leases. So let me be clear there. But we have had well results that I think led us to that conclusion. That it was prudent to do this at this time. We're still looking of that area with our partners to understand which and how pieces could be developed and how we retain some of those assets. So it's a mix of environment and well results I would say.
Gordon M. Gray - HSBC Bank Plc
Analyst
Okay. Thanks. Brian Gilvary - Group Chief Financial Officer & Executive Director: And though in terms of discount rates, we moved our discount rate back to the pre-Macondo level that we held. It moved up by 1% over the last 5 years. We do a calculation each year to look at what the weighted average cost of capital is in terms of using it for that impairment test. And it moved back down to where it was pre-Macondo, back down by 1%.
Gordon M. Gray - HSBC Bank Plc
Analyst
Is it possible to say what sort of impact that had on the impairments overall or not? Brian Gilvary - Group Chief Financial Officer & Executive Director: That had a – that was part of the impact in terms of the write backs on the mostly North Sea.
Gordon M. Gray - HSBC Bank Plc
Analyst
Okay. Brian Gilvary - Group Chief Financial Officer & Executive Director: It was part of it. There's also some pieces around assumptions going forward, around decommissioning and so on. But effectively it was around the discount rate.
Gordon M. Gray - HSBC Bank Plc
Analyst
Great, thank you.
Jessica Mitchell - Head-Group Investor Relations
Operator
Okay. So we have a last couple of questions still. Thank you all for your patience. And we'll go next to Lucas Herrmann of Deutsche Bank.
Lucas O. Herrmann - Deutsche Bank AG
Analyst
Jess, thanks, and gentlemen, this afternoon. Thanks for all the time. A couple of quick ones. First, Brian, very simply if I look at cash flow through the final quarter, the oil price was an average of $44. It's not dissimilar to that what we're assuming anyway for the current year. The $5.8 billion of cash includes about $1.5 billion working capital benefit. If I think about 2016 and an oil price that isn't dissimilar, what's wrong with my just multiplying $4.3 billion by 4, and adding a bit for incremental operating cost savings that you should see through the course of the current year? That's question one. And question two, just trying to understand what's happening with some of the pension movements on the balance sheet in the context of both the long-term liability falling and the short-term surplus rising. Is there anything we should be aware of in terms of changes re the actual – re the valuation, whatever plan? Brian Gilvary - Group Chief Financial Officer & Executive Director: No, not on pension. Pension's actually incredibly well-funded. Remember you've got all the moving parts in there. You have the unfunded and the funded pensions inside there. And of course having closed the DAB scheme some years ago, that is actually more in a runoff position now in terms of where we are with that. So nothing you need to be aware of or concerned about, other than the requirements around IAS 19 that makes us actually look at this on a IAS 19 basis, which will be different from the way we look at it actuarial wise with the pension trustees.
Lucas O. Herrmann - Deutsche Bank AG
Analyst
Okay. Brian Gilvary - Group Chief Financial Officer & Executive Director: In terms of the first part, Lucas, because you and I have talked about this on many occasions, never take a quarter and times it by 4. Because if you took the first quarter of last year, which was of $1.8 billion and times that by 4, that would be equally wrong as taking your $4.3 billion now and times-ing that by 4. I think in terms of as you try to balance up 2015 into 2016, what it looks like. And let's just assume $44 or $45 a barrel for this year, the $44 that you just mentioned. You've got the balance of all the severance payments that were going out last year that don't hit us this year. The new severance payments coming in this year. The full year effects of all the cash costs coming out last year, which will be $4 billion, if you add back the rig cancellation costs. And the new costs going out this year. So there's an awful lot of moving parts inside that calculation. What I would say is I believe we will make good progress again this year like last year in terms of reducing the deficit in terms of the rebalancing the books. I'm confident that we'll get things back to balance as Bob described, provided we start to see the upward move in the oil price. And I'm not talking about a big upward more. Relatively modest from where we are today in terms of balancing the book for next year.
Lucas O. Herrmann - Deutsche Bank AG
Analyst
How much of that $4 billion benefit this year or a cost reduction this year did you actually see this year in cash? Brian Gilvary - Group Chief Financial Officer & Executive Director: A lot of that came through in the – well actually you saw it in the third quarter, is when we started to see it come through. But then of course you also have the severance payments going out, the RAFX (1:43:21) cash going out in the fourth quarter. And you'll continue to see that trend. So it's very difficult now to model until you see all the moving parts in terms of as people leave and severance and cash payments go with them, and costs come out of the system. So it will take about – from start to finish about 2.5 years to see the full benefits coming through. So middle 2017 you should probably see the full benefits.
Lucas O. Herrmann - Deutsche Bank AG
Analyst
Okay. Brian, Bob, everyone, thank you. I'll leave it there. Thanks for your time.
Robert W. Dudley - Group Chief Executive
Management
Thank you, Lucas.
Jessica Mitchell - Head-Group Investor Relations
Operator
Okay. Brendan Warn of BMO.
Brendan Warn - BMO Capital Markets Ltd.
Analyst
Yeah, look. I'll withdraw my question in consideration of time. Thanks, guys.
Jessica Mitchell - Head-Group Investor Relations
Operator
Thanks, Brendan. Next, Thomas Adolff of Credit Suisse. Are you still there, Thomas? Thomas Y. Adolff - Credit Suisse Securities (Europe) Ltd.: Yeah. I actually do have two questions. Thanks, Brendan. One for Bob and one for Lamar. So the first one I guess for Bob. Governments are short of cash and the industry is suffering. We know that. So I wonder what sort of discussions you're having with governments on fiscal terms, local content? And whether anything has actually also changed as far as receivables positions are concerned, especially linked to Angola, Egypt, Azerbaijan, Iraq? Second question for Lamar and actually going to slide 22 of your presentation. You're showing the cash flow break even analysis to 2017 and 2020. And I always wondered whether that actually assumes a CapEx profile that sees your reserve life shrink? And obviously, Lamar, we had this discussion in December of last year where you set the $17 billion to $19 billion assumes a reserve shrinkage. So and that kind of ties in pretty well with the charge you also showed at the Upstream day in December 2014. So what I wanted to know is if you were to assume the reserve life to be preserved, what sort of a through cycle cash flow breakeven do you see? And/or are you willing to let your reserve life shrink, because your reserve life looks more favorably versus your peers? Thank you.
Robert W. Dudley - Group Chief Executive
Management
Thomas, thank you. Good questions. I mean there are dynamics all over the world now with oil producing countries under some stress. I mean probably the biggest examples around out there, Nigeria, Venezuela. There is stress out there. Some of the countries that you mentioned, you mentioned four of them. And it's a mix. So for example, Egypt, it's the opposite. It's an oil-importing country. The country is actually doing better. And our receivables have come way down in Egypt to about the lowest level they've been in decades right now. You've got Angola, which is clearly under some stress. Devaluations of currency there. Not that much sovereign debts. We do have our investments are governed by PSAs. They're good legal and commercial foundations for us and the other IOCs. And yes, it's stressful. And we've got to be really thoughtful there about our workforce, how we reduce the workforce. Do we add stress in the country or not? So we're working through that very carefully. Azerbaijan. It's a history of a great relationship in Azerbaijan, over 20 years or so. Again it's a PSA. The Azeri government has provided strong commitment to us in the past with our existing projects, stability of the PSAs. And of course we're investing a lot in the Shah Deniz project. It's a massive project to develop the gas to take it into Europe. And that project is ahead of schedule and under budget right now. So we're working with them. They are a country that has a sovereign credit outlook that is not bad. But they're very progressive. They're starting work with the IMF, and they devalued their currency. So working through that as a partner with the government. Iraq. I think Iraq is clearly a country stressed. Their production is up. I think they're going to be thoughtful and careful about the amount they want us to spend there, because it's – basically the capital we invest comes back to us pretty quickly with a per barrel fee. And the liftings, where we get paid, kind of sometimes they're ahead, sometimes they're behind. But I think Iraq is dealing with their problems carefully. So but this is one of the things. As we sit in Europe and/or North America and think the world is all stable, there's a lot of regions around the world that do have these stresses, including inside the U.K. and including regions inside the U.S. So we're very, very mindful of it. But I think we're managing that well.
H. Lamar McKay - Chief Executive Officer-Upstream Business
Analyst
Thomas, let me hit reserve replacement and capital and things like that. At these levels that Brian has outlined and going forward – of course so many things depend on what the price is going to be and what deflation is going to be and how we lock all that in. But let's just use $17 billion and $19 billion going forward. At constant prices might be a way to think about it. We do think we can grow the segment. As you know and we have talked before, there is a period of time – this is lumpy, these reserve replacement periods. And we are fortunate to have a relatively high R to P. And if you look at total proved reserves, those have been relatively weak over the last couple years, including this year – or 2015. Proved, undeveloped into proved has been relatively stronger. And we do have FIDs and extensions to existing PSAs that we think will be coming. And it will be lumpy. And the proved developed reserves – sorry, total proved reserves I believe will improve in the relatively near future. And we still have some work to do to pull on that R to P. So I think it's kind of all of the above, but we've modeled this over and over and over, looking at what we think we can do. And it points to the ability to grow 2020 and beyond. Thomas Y. Adolff - Credit Suisse Securities (Europe) Ltd.: Okay. Thank you very much.
Jessica Mitchell - Head-Group Investor Relations
Operator
Okay. Thanks, Thomas. And Chris Kuplent of Bank of America, are you with us still, Chris?
Christopher Kuplent - Bank of America Merrill Lynch
Analyst
Yes, I am. I'm sorry about that. I'll keep it very short hopefully. Quick first question, could you talk to us about how much of your $17 billion, $19 billion CapEx budget for 2016 and then for 2017 is actually today already committed? And how much room there still is for FIDs that are yet to be defined? And maybe if you could just give us the three most exciting FIDs as you see it that you are looking forward to announcing over that timeframe? And thirdly, I just wondered, I remember – just put me in my place here please. I remember after Q3 you had said you had sold $7.8 billion of assets. So I'm just wondering how you have closed the $10 billion to reconcile those two numbers. Thank you. Brian Gilvary - Group Chief Financial Officer & Executive Director: So maybe I'd just pick up the last point, Chris. We had announced the $7.8 billion at the end of 3Q. We've now announced $9.8 billion. So the $10 billion is covered. You may not have seen all the announcements around each of the individual assets, but they are pretty much complete now. As close as in terms of $9.8 billion versus the $10 billion. In terms of CapEx committed it depends on where we are each year. There's a number of projects in phase. Typically coming into a year we'd have about 80% of the capital would typically be committed. It's a function of where deflation ends up being this year. So I think it's too soon to say. And there's some flexibility with the overall program in terms of the ranges we set in place.
Robert W. Dudley - Group Chief Executive
Management
And I would just note, Chris, that once we FID a project, the cost of that project is not locked in. We're seeing some remarkable cost reductions in projects that are FID. The drilling costs in Egypt have come way down, fast drilling, pipe spending, all around the world. Steel costs are coming down even inside projects that have been FID.
H. Lamar McKay - Chief Executive Officer-Upstream Business
Analyst
Yeah, Chris, Lamar. There, it's not off or on. There are many things you can do with phasing of projects, phasing of spend to try to optimize the system that you got. And there are discretionary programs that we can choose – we may not want to, but we can choose to defer or delay if we need to. The other thing is you asked about FIDs and which ones are we looking forward to? We're not necessarily putting any sort of timeframe on these FIDs of any sort. But we're – Tangguh Train 3 potentially in the next little bit, Mad Dog Phase 2, other projects in Trinidad. We've got a whole list that we're working. And we're trying as I said earlier to optimize to make sure that those – effectively we build structural cost advantage into those if we possibly can when it's time to authorize them.
Christopher Kuplent - Bank of America Merrill Lynch
Analyst
That's great. Thank you very much.
Jessica Mitchell - Head-Group Investor Relations
Operator
Thanks, Chris. And lastly, Fred Lucas has been waiting with a follow-up question, which I think will be our last question if Fred is still with us.
Fred Lucas - JPMorgan Securities Plc
Analyst
Yes, indeed. Thanks, Jess. It will be brief. Brian, could you just tell us what the size of your base production is in kbopd? And what the average cash margin of that base was in 2015? And if I may what your reserve replacement ratio was in 2015, 51%, if you strip out Rosneft? Thank you. Brian Gilvary - Group Chief Financial Officer & Executive Director: The latter part you'll find when we file the 20-F and the annual report and accounts and we finalize that. So we don't typically give a split at this point in the process. That will come around early March when we file the 20-F and annual report and accounts. And I couldn't give you the cash margin for 2015. Lamar, unless there's somewhere...
H. Lamar McKay - Chief Executive Officer-Upstream Business
Analyst
No, not the cash margin. But, Fred, we only had – in terms of the volume we only had I think 12 mbd of major projects come on in last – in 2015. So the base is pretty much everything.
Fred Lucas - JPMorgan Securities Plc
Analyst
That's pretty much the whole thing. So we can therefore work out at $55 roughly where it was last year, what your reference base cash margin is, and then add that 35% or more out to 2020, is that right? Brian Gilvary - Group Chief Financial Officer & Executive Director: $52, Fred.
Fred Lucas - JPMorgan Securities Plc
Analyst
Yeah, holding the price constant, that is. Brian Gilvary - Group Chief Financial Officer & Executive Director: Yeah, yeah, correct.
Fred Lucas - JPMorgan Securities Plc
Analyst
Great. Great. Thanks, guys.
Jessica Mitchell - Head-Group Investor Relations
Operator
Okay. Thank you very much, everybody. I'll just hand over to Bob to close the call.
Robert W. Dudley - Group Chief Executive
Management
Great. Thanks, Jess. I had this visual image out there that everyone has two microphones, one in the right ear and one in the left ear, listening to two conference calls. So those of you are doing that, thank you. I will be brief. No one asked about organizational change. And I think I'm going to comment on it, because there has been some speculation in the press here in London. It's all about succession. Actually we had one of our senior executives, very good executive who has wanted to retire for some time, do that. We decided to do as a team what we're asking our teams to do all around, which is redistribute roles, not fill that role. And so therefore we've got lots to do with a small, very tight, capable management team. So Lamar is going to fill the role of deputy CEO, which we've had before in BP, and take on some of the things I'm doing, some of the things that other people are doing. Supply and trading will move to Brian. Alternative energies will move out and go to Dev Sanyal. So this is just going to make us all work more focused and make sure we in the headquarters don't generate work that doesn't need to be done by rationing our time. It's going to be a big help to me. And so this is not a succession point. A couple of things. My reaction to the reaction to our earnings. I mean everyone today is part of the red club everywhere on the screens. While we've been talking, the price of oil has been down as much – over 5%. Now it's down about 3.5%. We're down 8%, amazing to me. And what surprises me is people haven't seen the operating cash flow number, which is the metric that we're driving the business for. So and I think in terms of expectations, when numbers get down around zero, as is happening with a number of the oil companies now, percentages become wildly extreme of misses. And I think – really I think we missed expectations primarily due to greater exploration write-offs, just a couple there, and a little bit on trading. So I'm a little surprised at the market reaction to it. And again I know you've got lots to do. There's still quite a number of people. We've got as many as 500 people on still. Thank you very much for joining us. I think we're in for quite a year. But I'm absolutely clear we've got a plan. We know exactly what we need to execute on. The cost reductions coming through in Downstream and Upstream are going to make us a much stronger company. And the balance sheet is strong. So thank you all. Have a good earnings season, everybody.