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Q2 2015 Earnings Call· Fri, Jul 24, 2015

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Operator

Operator

Welcome to the Popular, Inc. Second Quarter 2015 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions]. I would now like to turn the conference over to Brett Scheiner, Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead, sir.

Brett Scheiner

Analyst

Good morning. Thank you for joining us on today's call. Today, I am joined by our Chairman and CEO, Richard Carrion and our CRO, Lidio Soriano, who will review our second quarter results and then answer your questions. They will be joined in the Q&A session by other members of our management team. Before we start, I would like to remind you that on today's call, we may make forward-looking statements that are based on management's current expectations and are subject to risks and uncertainties. Factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from these forward-looking statements are set forth within today's earnings press release and are detailed in our SEC filings, our financial quarterly release and supplements. You may find today's press release and our SEC filings on our webpage at www.popular.com. I will now turn the call over to Mr. Richard Carrion.

Richard Carrion

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill. Please go ahead

Good morning and thank you all for joining the call. I would like to first address the highlight and key events of the second quarter that will present an update on the assets deposits that we acquired in the Doral transaction and provide our thoughts regarding the fiscal and economic situation for Puerto Rico. Carlos will comment on the quarter's financial results and Lidio will provide an update on our credit trends and metrics. Please turn to the second slide, in the second quarter Popular earned adjusted net income of 90 million, flat to last quarter and up 4 million from last year's second quarter. We continue to generate strong revenues with capital levels well above peer average. Tangible book value was $41.75 up from $36.33 last quarter due mostly this quarter's partial reversal of the allowance against our U.S. deferred tax asset reflecting the improved profitability and outlook of our U.S. operations. Our net interest margin were 4.67% decreased slightly from last quarter's 12.67% as a full quarter's contribution from our acquired Doral assets was partially offset by higher levels of liquidity. We must note however that net interest income increased $19 million sequentially. Our spreads remain strong relative to peers where our Puerto Rico net interest margin of 4.92%. Total NPLs this quarter of 806 million including covered loans were down a 129 million from last quarter's 935 million. NPL inflows decreased 31 million when compared to the previous quarter driven by lower mortgage and commercial inflows in Puerto Rico. Non-covered NPLs were 576 million or 2.6% of non-covered loans down 89 million from last quarter. Our net charge off excluding write-downs were 46 million or 89 basis points up slightly from last quarter's 36 million or 72 basis points on higher commercial charge off and below trend…

Lidio Soriano

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill. Please go ahead

Thank you, Carlos, and good morning. While operating in a challenging economic environment, we are pleased to report that asset quality continues to improve during the second quarter as non-performing assets, non-performing loans, and NPR inflows improved over the previous quarters. This quarter's net charge-off of $46 million or 9 basis points, up from last quarter are in line with our trends in 2014. In addition to improved credit metrics and strong capital levels, we continue to feel confident with our exposures and risk profile. Please turn to Slide 7. This slide compares and contrasts what will our portfolio mix prior to the financial crisis. The key methods is the changes in our portfolio compositions, coupled with changes in underwriting parameters, less to a lower risk profile and better credit performance. In the U.S. we no longer have a supply consumer and mortgage business, our U.S. bank is now a community and niche lender with a much lower risk profile. In Puerto Rico, our commercial and consortia exposure excluding loans we classify to one cover during the second quarter decrease from 55% over total loan book to 38%. Structural lending has decreased 94% and now at $77 million. On the bottom of the slide, we also set the commercial portfolio and include net charge-off distribution by segment since 2008. The important message for the table is our commercial mix has significantly improved by reducing expansion through asset class with historically high losses. In the retail portfolio, mortgage exposures are now 65%, up from 45% in 2007. In addition to a marginally improved risk profile, our recently published disclosures [ph] stress test provides us with additional comfort. The stress test we did in June incorporates a severe adverse in Puerto Rico in which the unemployment rate is up 20.4%, and economic…

Richard Carrion

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill. Please go ahead

Thank you, Lidio. Please turn to Slide 11. Before we open the line to questions, let me conclude today's remark by reviewing the actions we are taking to drive shareholder value. Our healthy revenue generation uniquely positions us to benefit from an eventual economic recovery of Puerto Rico and yields reasonable returns, while the leading market position of our Puerto Rico franchise to allow us to earn above average margins. Notwithstanding ongoing stability in our main credit quality indicators in Puerto Rico, we remain attentive to fiscal and economic trends. Popular's credit risk profile is meaningfully different from the one with which we entered this credit cycle which together with our strong capital position improves our outlook. We are driving shareholder value as we remain focused on creating revenue opportunities while effectively managing credit, our capital, and our overhead costs. We have started the year with continuous stability in both revenue and credit metrics and are encouraged by the organic growth in the first half of the year from our restructured U.S. business. Our acquisition of the Doral assets and assumed deposits will further enhance our ability to grow earnings in an otherwise sluggish macro environment in our main market. We continue to benefit from our EVERTEC ownership, our stake in Banco BHD Leon, the second largest bank in the Dominican Republic, and the improved performance of our U.S. operations. We are certainly aware that Puerto Rico has been very much in the press lately, and we're monitoring event flows. Given the fiscal and economic challenges we face on the island, we will focus our attention on understanding the situation and its potential risk while acting to minimize their impact. Nonetheless, we will continue to seek opportunities in the current environment. While the Puerto Rico economy has been soft, in the past 12 months we have with the approval of our regulators, we take close to $1 billion to credit MOUs which restructured our U.S. balance sheet and back office and purchased $1.7 billion of loans in the Doral transaction. Our story is to a large extent linked to Puerto Rico, its economy and future. We are aware of that and remain committed to working to improve the island's prospects. But Popular is also a story of a solid organization that has navigated through a complex environment and has emerged as a stronger, better capitalized, and more diversified institution. We're encouraged by the progress we're seeing in our U.S. operation, and by the strength of our Puerto Rico franchise which has been demonstrated in the past few years. We look forward to reporting on our progress in the next few months. And with that I'd like to open the call for questions. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you, sir. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Brian Clock of Woods [ph]. Please go ahead.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Hey, good morning gentlemen.

Richard Carrion

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill. Please go ahead

Good morning, Brian. How are you?

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Good, thanks. So I guess my first question is really about the capital plan and I guess probably what kind of color you can give to what timing or what expectations you might have of getting some sort of feedback from the Fed on your capital plan. It just seems like when – from an outsider's perspective you look at your deep bad results and with the Puerto Rico franchise you've got a strong core earnings power, pre-tax pre-provision earnings to absorb a lot of those losses. You do have purchase accounting marks and other things to absorb some of the losses. I look at the credit quality today, I look at the – even whatever thing in the news with Puerto Rico, there is the NPL formations that are pretty low today and it keeps going down, so how to feel like where the capital we've got core pre-tax, pre-provision earnings power in Puerto Rico, it seems like there could be an opportunity to ask for buyback with your capital plan. Rick, maybe you can just let us know what your thoughts are, and if there is any way to know when you could find out any answer on your capital plan this year?

Richard Carrion

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill. Please go ahead

First of all we agree a 100% with your position and we like to tell you that – you think with over. At any rate, look we submitted it in April, there has been a looking at it that let us know when they are done, we are – we think that will happen this quarter, specifically sometime in September and there is not much we can do, it's their cost and they determine when they respond. We agree with that being said.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay, that's fair enough. And just a quick follow-up, on the prep exposure, I guess can you maybe kind of give us your thoughts on your decision to move with the help of sale, does that mean they actually do have something that's actually a signed contract or it's just been moved?

Richard Carrion

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill. Please go ahead

We do have something, it's the waiting, it needs to get approved by our loan syndicate, the lawyers are doing their thing. And we just made the decision that we'd rather be out of it, we are less than 10% of that syndicate and less than 1% of prep, so we really don't – we just prefer to be out there. So as you saw, we brought it down by 40%, last December we had written down pretty close to that. I think we have written down by 30% in change. So we have the full write-off this quarter.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

And then just I guess quickly on that one too and I'll get back in the queue. So was there any indication there then it seems like there are lot of things and deadlines for around the September 15 and that would almost seem to be positive so I was wondering by the decision is so ahead of that.

Richard Carrion

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill. Please go ahead

Well, you know, we rather have it out of non-performing and in fact, we have – I hope they sort the things out by September but we're not playing a meaningful part in these discussions so we rather have an earning asset.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay, fair enough. Thanks for your time.

Richard Carrion

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill. Please go ahead

You know, we've got some money on the table.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay, thanks for your time. I appreciate it.

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from Alex Twerdahl of Sandler O'Neill. Please go ahead.

Alex Twerdahl

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill. Please go ahead

Hey, good morning guys.

Richard Carrion

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill. Please go ahead

Hi, good morning.

Alex Twerdahl

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill. Please go ahead

I just want to ask a little bit more about the DFAS process and your assumptions in the severely adverse scenario. Would you have had any sort of government default or government austerity built into that severely adverse scenario given that the situation in the island is kind of, I mean, even with the governments comments three weeks ago it's really kind of largely unchanged from what it's been for the last two years and we kind of knew what the governments liquidity was like, etcetera, etcetera. So would you have included any sort of austerity or government default or anything like that in the DFAS plan?

Richard Carrion

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill. Please go ahead

I'll let Lidio tackle that one.

Lidio Soriano

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill. Please go ahead

As discussed today, and we may probably multiple weeks ago, our scenario of Puerto Rico incorporates the very severe scenario in which the unemployment goals speaks off 20.4% and economic activity goes down to 6.3% in the first calendar year, this is an ideal scenario. And you can imagine there would be a lot of effective in the island potentially including a government shutdown.

Alex Twerdahl

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill. Please go ahead

Okay, thank you for that. And then just to extend upon Brian's question on the capital plan, you filed in April, obviously a lot changed in terms of mentality on the island and from investors and probably assuming regulators as well over the past couple of weeks. Would there be any need to file a update at capital plan following the governors comments a couple of weeks ago, either at the request the regulators are not bullish [ph]?

Richard Carrion

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill. Please go ahead

No, not really. In the first half we have mentioned that I think our stress test scenarios will be severely adverse, are much worse than what we expect would happen in case of a partial shutdown.

Alex Twerdahl

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill. Please go ahead

Okay, great.

Richard Carrion

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill. Please go ahead

That's a result of what within – what is in the severely adverse scenario.

Alex Twerdahl

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill. Please go ahead

Okay, great. And then just my final question, of the municipal exposure on the island, do you have specific reserves associated with those exposures and would you be willing to share with us what those were or if they changed since the end of March?

Richard Carrion

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill. Please go ahead

No, on the municipal exposures, we don't have any specific reserves in part. Bear in mind, the municipalities have three different sources of revenues which are independent of the central government; the property tax, the municipal license tax, and 1% of the sales tax. So we feel much better about those expulsions.

Alex Twerdahl

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill. Please go ahead

Okay, great. Thanks for taking my questions.

Richard Carrion

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill. Please go ahead

Absolutely.

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from Ken Zerbe of Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Ken Zerbe

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead

Great, thank you. First question, just on the DTA recovery, if I heard you right, I think I heard you say that you're going to have a zero tax rate in the U.S. for the rest of the year but I guess I was under the impression that when you get the DTA back, you actually start booking whatever 35% tax rate. What's the difference?

Richard Carrion

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead

I'll let Carlos handle that, this is one of the rules that the account – go ahead. Carlos Vázquez: Yes, this is where the reversal of EBITDA is considered discreet event and therefore you measure it for 2016 forward. The impact in 2015 has just blended to the effective rate for the remainder of the year, that's why you won't see a spike in the effective tax rate in 2015 where we would expect that in 2016.

Ken Zerbe

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead

Got it, Okay. Alright, I'll bill NOL, that's totally fine. And then from – just on the FDIC the commercial loss here that it expires, it looks like it expired at the end of the quarter, probably didn't see any – presumably any impact from the exploration in the quarter. So when you look ahead to third quarter, like from a margin perspective, anything else like what but actually margin in particular, but what will change going forward because of this?

Richard Carrion

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead

Two things, one is we did had an additional $10 million. It's there in the last – in this quarter to adjust the BIA. The technically – the other stage does not end now because it has a three year provision for any recovery. So technically, the commercial is not over. We don't expect any meaningful impact on them in the sense that the loan will continue to yield, the impact on them as the loan will start to yield run in loss, it will be impacted, it is an asset that is – that will diminish overtime but we don't expect any meaningful impact on over the next few quarters.

Ken Zerbe

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead

Got it, okay. And just on them broadly speaking is the 454 kind of decent run rate to assume going into third quarter or do you maybe – you can write in guidance.

Richard Carrion

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead

We have it in the press and I don't want to start now. Our earning is pretty strong and particularly in our quarterly cooperation, you've seen it fluctuates two to three basis points over the last couple of quarters, we don't see anything very meaningful to that.

Ken Zerbe

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead

Great. Okay, that helps. Thank you.

Richard Carrion

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead

Okay.

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from Jeff of Woods [ph]. Please go ahead.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Hi, thanks for taking my questions. I was just wondering if you could go into a little bit more detail or give the back on for the release of the valuation allowance this quarter, just given the economic headwinds, the fiscal reality on the island, why do you think that now is the time to make that release?

Richard Carrion

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill. Please go ahead

I'll let Carlos take it but if I remind, this is the U.S. operation, not Puerto Rico, and this is mostly driven by the accounts. We're not really – it's an accounting thing for us, we're not getting any cash or reinstating capitals is not a fact that this is more accounting rules than anything else. I'll let Carlos add some more color, he can go on, and it's his birthday [ph]. Carlos Vázquez: This is – we look at the present profitability and the outlook for continuous properly for our U.S. business, we make adjustments on – that will allow us to reverse some of the allowance to get DTA, some calculations attached to it and then reverse it accordingly. As Richard mentioned, this is mostly an accounting decision as oppose to a better decision, and something that we will continue to review on an ongoing basis. You want to add something?

Richard Carrion

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill. Please go ahead

Yes, I just want to confirm that the Puerto Rico scenario does not impact the U.S. taxable income or tax structure and it's really separate, there are two decisions that are individual to those geographies.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay, thank you for that. And then as it relates to just the Puerto Rican direct government exposure, I know you've answered some questions on that but can you just give us – can you clarify whether on the chart in the presentation, are those exposures listed at face value, market value, or some other metric, and I guess can you give us sort of the average mark on the Puerto Rican exposures?

Richard Carrion

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill. Please go ahead

Well, I think on the securities, I think it's roughly 20% is the mark-for-mark from our book value. The securities under there are – the central government securities are at market. And then the only other mark there is on that loan which is a $75 million loan we took a 40% hit on it so that has reached at $45 million, so that's net of our market.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

And that means securities are mainly – at book value which is if I heard correctly – I'm sorry, couldn't hear that, that's at par on the service?

Richard Carrion

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill. Please go ahead

The central government securities are at market value, and the municipality securities are at basically on cost basis, they are at health maturity.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay, thank you for that. I appreciate the time.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Taylor Brodarick of Guggenheim. Please go ahead.

Taylor Brodarick

Analyst · Guggenheim. Please go ahead

Great, thanks. I think everybody has covered most of mine, Carlos, quickly, would you just say again the tax guidance, I didn't catch that at the beginning. Carlos Vázquez: We're happy to do that, let me see through my pages here. It's going to be – for the rest of this year the low end of 29%, and for 2015 the high end of that range.

Taylor Brodarick

Analyst · Guggenheim. Please go ahead

Perfect, thank you. And I guess just, looking at business activity, have you found that your capital position just to relative strength compared to your competitors is attracting significantly more customers than maybe in the past, is there more of a dislocation occurring since the governors comments a couple of weeks ago?

Richard Carrion

Analyst · Guggenheim. Please go ahead

We haven't seen any unusual movements, we leave the process of a strong but we haven't seen any unusual movements one way or the other. The government deposits are higher than they were at the beginning of the year and other case the positive general have been strong but not being very good.

Taylor Brodarick

Analyst · Guggenheim. Please go ahead

Okay, great. And thank you for your comments in the capital plan, I appreciate it.

Operator

Operator

And our next question is a follow-up from Brian Clark of Woods [ph]. Please go ahead.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Thanks gentlemen, I just wanted to follow-up on an earlier question that was asked about the municipal exposure. So when I look at Slide 3, the $430 million which is most of your municipal exposures in the form of blown which – correct me, neither loans, these are not mark-to-market, right?

Richard Carrion

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill. Please go ahead

These are credit loans that [indiscernible].

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Right. And can you remind us so I think if you guys – and we've talked about before you guys have managed the operating accounts for a lot of these municipalities and I think you have probably the – I would say the stronger municipalities that you went to, I guess maybe just a little color on those municipalities.

Richard Carrion

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill. Please go ahead

Yes, it's definitely not a random walk in the municipalities, we do lose trust at the municipalities, we have had relationship with them for a long time. There are 78 municipalities where we go, we maintain 10 of them, and we look up at other statements, how well they are managed and the normal thing we would look at it and create a relationship. We specifically have their operating income.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

And in some way, I mean, actually you have more information and what you get from some of your commercial customers having this loans to municipalities. Is that right?

Richard Carrion

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill. Please go ahead

Yes, we feel very comfortable with that, absolutely.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay, thanks for your time guys.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question is a follow-up from Alex Twerdahl of Sandler O'Neill. Please go ahead.

Alex Twerdahl

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill. Please go ahead

Hey, just one other question here. I wanted to ask Carlos is there any change in your P&L or any expected change in the coming quarters as the island switches towards the VAT tax and also is that business taxes implemented? Carlos Vázquez: It will be a general increase in our operating expenses on a quarterly basis is not significant.

Alex Twerdahl

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill. Please go ahead

Okay.

Richard Carrion

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill. Please go ahead

We've estimated that, it doesn't seem to be a major issue.

Alex Twerdahl

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill. Please go ahead

Okay. So that would be encoded in the guidance for expenses the $305 million per quarter going forward?

Richard Carrion

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill. Please go ahead

Yes.

Alex Twerdahl

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill. Please go ahead

Great, thank you.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question is a follow-up from Jeff Wolver at Woods [ph]. Please go ahead.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Hi, thanks. I was just wondering if you can give a little bit more color on the deposit side of things, how much of your deposits are related to government entities or municipalities? And as a side question, given that the recent regulation and the driving more of those deposits towards the GDB, government development bank, are you seeing an impact here to your deposits there?

Richard Carrion

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill. Please go ahead

Again, most of these deposits are an operating account but we don't think that we provide services that we don't think that other bank or certainly the government bank would provide to them. The reason I excluded from Doslu [ph] that are being to drive those deposits back, mostly operating accounts very little in the way of the five months. So we feel it behaves – as I said, there are higher words to be endorsed and the end of the last year. So we haven't felt any impact from that.

Alex Twerdahl

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill. Please go ahead

Great, thank you very much.

Richard Carrion

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill. Please go ahead

Okay.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Seeing no further questions, this concludes the second quarter Popular Inc. conference call. You may now disconnect your lines at this time, and have a wonderful day.

Richard Carrion

Analyst · Sandler O'Neill. Please go ahead

Thank you.