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Babcock & Wilcox Enterprises, Inc. (BW)

Q3 2023 Earnings Call· Thu, Nov 9, 2023

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Operator

Operator

Good evening. My name is Hannah and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions]. Thank you. Sharyn, you may begin your conference call.

Sharyn Brooks

Analyst

Thank you, Hannah. And thanks to everyone for joining us on Babcock & Wilcox Enterprises' Third Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. I'm Sharyn Brooks, Director of Communications. Joining the call today are Kenny Young B&W Chairman and Chief Executive Officer and Lou Salamone, Chief Financial Officer to discuss our third quarter results. During this call, certain statements we make will be forward-looking. These statements are subject to risks and uncertainties, including those set forth in our Safe Harbor provision for forward-looking statements that can be found at the end of our earnings press release, and also in our Form 10-Q that will be filed today and our Form 10-K that is on file with the SEC and provide further detail about the risks related to our business. Additionally, except as required by law, we undertake no obligation to update any forward-looking statement. We also provide non-GAAP information regarding certain of our historical and targeted results to supplement the results provided in accordance with GAAP. This information should not be considered superior to or as a substitute for the comparable GAAP measures. A reconciliation of historical non-GAAP measures can be found in our third quarter earnings release published this afternoon and in our company overview presentation that will be filed on Form 8-K this afternoon and posted on the Investor Relations section of our website at babcock.com. I will now turn the call over to Kenny.

Kenny Young

Analyst

Thanks, Sharyn. And thanks to everyone for joining us today. Well as you can tell by our earnings release, it's been a busy third quarter for Babcock & Wilcox. I'd like to start the call today by first reviewing our third quarter performance on a continued operations basis accounting for the announced reclassification of our solar business, as well as the latest advancements across our Bright Lube and Climate bright initiatives. I'll also discuss our announced strategic business realignment and the rationale behind that decision as well as details related to our 2023 and 2024 financial targets, which are based primarily on the strong performance of our aftermarket parts and services businesses, before turning the call over to Lou. Let me start by highlighting the broad-based activities that drove revenue growth across all business segments during the quarter. Revenue for the third quarter was $239 million, which is 13% improvement compared to the prior year and our third consecutive quarter of revenue expansion on a year-over-year basis. Our top-line improvement was led by thermal revenues then increased approximately 17% when compared to the third quarter of 2022 followed by renewable more specifically our renewable services as well as environmental revenues increasing 11% and 4% respectively. Our aftermarket parts and services business and thermal and renewable typically our higher margin businesses continue to perform above our internal expectations. Consolidated adjusted EBITDA from continuing operations for the quarter was also impressive at $20 million, an improvement of $7 million or 54% when compared to the same period last year. This is inclusive of roughly $2 million in expenses for Bright Lube and Climate Bright in Q3 2023. While product mix was a large factor in the adjusted EBITDA performance for the quarter attributable to the higher margin nature of our aftermarket businesses,…

Lou Salamone

Analyst

Thanks, Kenny. I'm pleased to review our third quarter results and our recent commitment for the refinancing of our senior credit facility. Further details of which can be found on our 10-Q that is on file with the SEC. I'd also like to call your attention to the fact that I will be referring to amounts of our continuing operations. Our third quarter consolidated revenues were $239.4 million, which is a 13% improvement compared to the third quarter of 2022. This is primarily attributable to higher volumes in our renewable segment due to the B&W Renewable Services operations, as well as the thermal segment volume, which increased due to higher levels of construction and parts activity. Our net operating income for the third quarter of 2023 was $5.5 million, compared to an operating loss of $2.7 million in the third quarter of 2022. Our adjusted EBITDA was $20 million, as compared to $13 million in the third quarter of 2022. Bookings in the third quarter of 2023 were $198 million, and the ending backlog at the end of the quarter, third quarter of 2023 was $507 million. Our net loss per share in the third quarter was $0.18 as compared to a loss per share of $0.15 in the third quarter of 2022. As Kenny mentioned, we've reclassified the solar business out of continuing operations. As a result will have taken an impairment charge of about $56.6 million and recognize contract losses of $47.9 million, which include future estimated losses, both of which are reported in discontinued operations. We're pursuing potential recoveries of certain of these amounts, up to $40 million. And there is no assurance that these amounts will be recovered. Accordingly, such recoveries have not been recognized in the financial statements. I'll now turn to our third quarter…

Kenny Young

Analyst

Thanks, Lou. While I closing, while Q3 wasn't without challenges, man included several strategic decisions to improve the fundamentals of our business. We are extremely excited about the growth opportunities ahead of us. With increasing commercial interest in our core and new technologies and global demand for our baseload power generation our market outlook remains robust, and we see the momentum and booking activity accelerating into 2024 and beyond. Finally, as always, I'd like to recognize the efforts of our employees as they continue to drive our success as an organization worldwide. With the outstanding support of our extremely talented and experienced employees and the continued confidence of our customers, we're driving innovation and supporting the global transition to sustainable solutions. And we're focused on delivering strong profitable growth for our shareholders. We are entering a new phase and as we execute our strategic business realignment, and we look forward to the transformation that will enhance overall margins and improve cash flows generation for the company. I'll now turn the call back over to Hannah, who will assist with any questions, Hannah?

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our first question is from the line of Aaron Spychalla with Craig-Hallum. You may proceed.

Aaron Spychalla

Analyst

Yeah, good afternoon, Kenny and Lou, thanks for taking the questions

Kenny Young

Analyst

Hey, Aaron. No problem.

Aaron Spychalla

Analyst

Thanks, first for me on the guidance. Appreciate some of the color there. Can you can you just talk a little bit more about the exclusion of kind of Bright Lube and Climate Bright there. What those investments might look like as we think about 2024 and then maybe just elaborate a little bit you talked about some kind of project level financing and other things that you're pursuing there.

Kenny Young

Analyst

Sure, now be happy to. So I would think about Bright Lube and Climate Bright from a broader company expense standpoint to be, I don't know, under $10 million, but 5 to 7, perhaps somewhere in that neighborhood and just to give some transparency there. From a B&W standpoint, obviously, the project financing that we're referring to will going at the project level, versus an impact necessarily to B&W. So there'll be a timing and depending on how that project financing is set up, and the exact structure of ownership of those particular projects, how the revenue will flow back and forth to B&W, as we've mentioned in the past. But from an expense perspective, rough order of magnitude, that's how we're thinking about Bright Loop and Climate Bright.

Aaron Spychalla

Analyst

All right, thanks for that. And then second, just on the backlog. Can you talk a little bit, can you just give a little more color on some of those projects, sounds like maybe just slipping into 2024 of any of those been lost? Or is it just kind of more of a project timing, and then you kind of talked about accelerating momentum? Just maybe some of the areas that you're looking for as we head into '24?

Kenny Young

Analyst

Yeah, well, actually, I would -- even though we're in November here, we're talking about Q3 on this call. I would say some of those are slipping more into Q4, maybe into 2024. It just depends as we work through this negotiations on a few projects that we're trying to complete on that. As referenced in my comments, some of those delays are referred to, is increasing some scope and activity potentially for B&W as few of the projects, we're looking to larger upgrades and enhancements. And some of our customers are now trying to ascertain how they can extend out the life of these plants longer than maybe they had anticipated. So it's caused us to or caused them to relook at some of the scope in a positive way as it relates to B&W and so we're excited about that. But -- so those negotiations continued. But hopefully, and we have full intent to get those books still in Q4. But one or two of those may slip out into 2024, as well. But it's more of a timing, I think, just from a negotiations aspect. And as the customers read, look at their approach to some of these technologies and the lifespan of the plants, which in the long run bodes well for us as an aftermarket provider. So that's how we look at it. I think worldwide, obviously, some newbuild opportunities, in particular, I would say in renewable energy, waste energy. Some of those are delayed a little bit because of the interest rate increases and timing of capital expenditures. But not for any other reason. So there's a few that will probably extend into next year, overall. But for us as we talked about on the business, as reducing the overhead associated with large newbuild, which this is an opportunity for us to do that, we also see potentially increasing opportunities around licensing and licensing and some of our waste to energy technologies and with -- in support of some of the new direction that we want to take in the company. So we'll balance that as we transition more towards licensing and less on specific large new build opportunities.

Aaron Spychalla

Analyst

Understood. Thanks for taking the questions. I'll turn it over.

Operator

Operator

Thank you, Mr. Spychalla. Our next question is from line of Brent Thielman, D.A. Davidson. You may proceed.

Brent Thielman

Analyst

Hey, thanks. Good afternoon. Hey, can you -- well, I just wanted to confirm the 2024 ebida target is 100 to 110 ex-Bright Lube and Climate Bright?

Kenny Young

Analyst

That's correct. Yep.

Brent Thielman

Analyst

Okay. And I just -- again, another clarification, I think you said $5 million to $7 million against that potentially in costs just in support of Bright Lube and Climate Bright. Is that the right sort of baseline?

Kenny Young

Analyst

Yeah, that I think that's say below 10, but somewhere in that range. I think it's a good number, if it will tweak and very little bit depending on the project financing and how we, we deal with that on these projects as they continue to advance and the timing of some of the state funding that we're anticipating, as well as other SPB level and investors that would be investing in those projects. So there's just an element of that tiny piece and how the revenue flow between the project's back to BW would take place, which could plus or minus those expenses from a EBITDA standpoint. But and it's a little early to predict precisely how that will work and the timing of that. But we see that pathway unfolding. So just give you some range. That's kind of how we're thinking about it.

Brent Thielman

Analyst

Okay, that's helpful. And I guess, I mean, particularly in regard to some of these moves to boost the cash flow of the business. Can you talk about what sort of your expectations are assuming kind of this 2024 EBITDA target range, should get some benefits from this overall strategic realignment. I assume there's less drag from certain operations as a function of this. How should we think about that '24 EBITDA converting into cash flow?

Lou Salamone

Analyst

Yeah, Brent, from our standpoint, the emphasis on the thermal business, and what we're now what we also called power business, which generate much more cash flow than newbuild projects. We should start seeing a better conversion that we've had in the past, from adjusted EBITDA to the cash. Some of that cash will be used, as Kenny talked about, to continue to expand our Bright Lube penetration. But we should be able to convert a much higher percentage than we've converted and have positive cash flow coming into the second quarter of next year. Conversion rate would probably be -- I'll be a little bit broad on that because of CapEx, but the conversion rate would probably be in the 60% range with respect to cash.

Brent Thielman

Analyst

Starting 2Q is that Bright Lube.

Lou Salamone

Analyst

Yeah, I'd say middle of Q2, we'll start seeing that. Plus Q1, as you know, Brent Q1 is always a slow quarter for us, as well as others in this industry.

Brent Thielman

Analyst

Yeah. Okay, and then I guess, just in regard to some of the financing, that you've done here recently. Maybe your thoughts, next steps just related to the capital structure that you may or may not need to take, I guess in order to sort of support the ongoing kind of financing commitments you've got out there support the growth of that company's support Bright Lube. Do you feel like the capital structures in place? You can do all that at that stage?

Lou Salamone

Analyst

Yeah, I think the committed financing that we talked about earlier, for the $150 million for the senior credit facility, which will be both what I'll call the letters of credit facility, and the revolver certainly helps our capital structure, as does the lower interest rate. And as Kenny mentioned, we're kind of looking at some of the strategic areas that may not fit with our new direction, and that may generate some cash.

Kenny Young

Analyst

Yeah, I'll add -- yeah if I'll add to that, just real quick though. But that $100 million to $110 million EBITDA range, it's important to note and try to emphasize this that we were lessening, if you will, the reliance on large newbuild projects as it relates to that target. That that doesn't mean that we won't be entering into certain projects, if it makes sense for us to enter into. We're trying to obviously allow those to be more upside to that target, rather than a necessity in order to achieve the target. So tried to be a little more conservative on that approach with putting that guidance or targets out there.

Brent Thielman

Analyst

Okay, great. Thank you, Kenny.

Kenny Young

Analyst

Yeah.

Operator

Operator

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Our next question is from Rob Brown with Lake Street Capital Markets. You may proceed.

Rob Brown

Analyst

Good afternoon. I just want to clarify a little bit more on your comments on the realignment and the and not sort of pursuing these larger projects. Sort of what kind of the -- assuming the waste energy, but are you are you then no bidding projects? Or how do you sort of go to market with that and have you changed your focus there?

Kenny Young

Analyst

Yeah, it's not as complicated as it sounds. We were simply twofold and I'll explain it further. We have certain opportunities in certain parts on waste energy particular international opportunities require certain security package levels. The certain security packages, i.e. LCs letters of credit, as it relates to us come with high interest rates, right. So a lot of in waste energy, the margins are not as high on newbuild, clearly not as high as our aftermarket parts and services on renewable services. But those letters of credit and the interest associated with the really compresses the margins, plus, you know, additional risks. So, as we look at going forward two aspects, there are opportunities and projects that we're in discussions and negotiations on regarding waste energy, specifically, that would have higher margin potential or targets associated with them, that are well above and beyond the interest expense associated with the letters of credits. So those are positive ones are opportunities for us to pursue that. But we want to remove the reliance of that in our forecasts so that they're more upside rather than a necessity, if that makes sense. But secondarily, we do see an expansion opportunity on licensing, we have been licensing our waste energy technology in several markets, and that typically comes at even higher gross margins, and significantly lower amounts of letters of credit. So the interest rate expenses are, or the cost of that are much more attractive to us from a margin standpoint. So it's not necessarily a no bid or zero bid, it's just as we continue to focus will reduce the overhead down to match what we think is the hands one or two or three or whatever the projects that we think that are -- a stronger opportunity for us from a margin and cash flow standpoint, as we also increase the licensing model that we have, particularly around our waste energy technologies. So it's -- I don't know if that makes sense, but it's as simple as that sounds.

Rob Brown

Analyst

Okay, got it. Thank you. The Bright Lube pipeline, I know you've given pretty good color on it over your last analyst kind of update. But how is that pipeline kind of at this point? Are you seeing more projects come into it? Are you seeing what's the direction in terms of project certainty in some of those projects that we're waiting for some of the government supports and financing incentives?

Kenny Young

Analyst

Yeah. So we are excited about the opportunities in the pipeline building. When we announced the pipeline, we typically keep it to three year projects that we think will book in the next three years. So I guess, if we expanded that pipeline to total opportunities, you would see several more billions in those opportunities. And that's mainly run a Bright Lube as it relates to those larger projects. So our overall opportunities on Bright Lube keep growing around that. We have as a result of that, we keep expanding that organization going forward in Bright Loop and Climate Bright. We haven't got to a final decision on this yet. But we're debating and discussing whether or not we should move Bright Loop and Climate Bright maybe to a separate, at least discussion, not necessarily segment going into next year. But we're not at that point yet. But the short term aspect, the opportunity, as Lou mentioned, Ohio now is moving into a real project for us. The financing is coming into place, the offtake agreements are moving into definitive agreements for up to 10 years, take or pay on that hydrogen. Obviously, it's not a big plant, relatively speaking. But it's important because it puts in the ground commercial technology for us and moves it from where we were before. The state discussions that we're having with several states now continue, those applications are moving into a real status. Some of those will start to move into public domain soon, and you'll see further announcements on that. It might be a phased in approach on some of that funding coming from states. And we're -- we continue the discussions on the federal level as well too. The other aspects, again, it's kind of a circular piece, but the hydrogen…

Rob Brown

Analyst

Okay, great. Thank you for all the color. I'll turn it over.

Operator

Operator

Thank you, Mr. Brown. Our last question is on the line of Alex Rygiel with B. Riley. You may proceed.

Alex Rygiel

Analyst

Thanks. Good evening, Kenny and Lou, a lot going on here. So let's get into a couple of things. First, as it relates to the $30 million in annual cost savings. Can you comment on the timing of that? And how important is that in getting to your [Indiscernible] $100 million to $110 million next year?

Kenny Young

Analyst

Yeah, some of that is already started. And will help out a little bit in Q4 and clearly will kick in heavily into Q1 on that. Yeah -- so that process has already begun. Obviously, we're taking steps some of the timing of that may be more in Q1 than now. But they've been identified and those are in process to be implemented, I guess, that's way to describe it.

Alex Rygiel

Analyst

Excellent. And then there was a reference to strategic alternatives related to non-strategic assets. Is there any chance you could quantify kind of the possible value here that you could realize in making those?

Kenny Young

Analyst

No, great question, Alex, I wish I could, but I'll leave that out for the moment. But just wanted to say we're -- we look at various things from assets. Some of those are could be property locations and other things assets that no longer strategically that we need going forward. But -- and don't have a valuation or anything that we'd want to put out at this point in time.

Alex Rygiel

Analyst

Great, thank you very much.

Kenny Young

Analyst

Thanks, everyone.

Operator

Operator

That concludes the question-and-answer session. I would now like to turn the call over to Sharyn for any closing remarks.

Sharyn Brooks

Analyst

Thank you for joining us today. This concludes our conference call. A replay will be available for a limited time on our website later today.

Operator

Operator

That concludes today's call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect your lines.