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Broadwind, Inc. (BWEN)

Q3 2013 Earnings Call· Thu, Oct 31, 2013

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Operator

Operator

Hello, and welcome to the Quarter 3 2013 Broadwind Energy, Inc. Earnings Conference Call. My name is Sherry, and I will be your conference operator for today's call. [Operator Instructions] At this time, I'd like to turn the call over to Joni Konstantelos.

Joni Konstantelos

Analyst

Thank you. Good morning, and welcome to Broadwind Energy's Third Quarter 2013 Earnings Conference Call. With me today are Broadwind's President and CEO, Peter Duprey; and Broadwind's Executive Vice President and CFO, Stephanie Kushner. This morning's earnings news release is available on our website at www.bwen.com. Second slide, please. Before we begin today, I would like to caution you that this call will include some forward-looking statements regarding our plans and market outlook and also will reference some non-GAAP financial measures. Actual results may differ materially from these forward-looking statements. Please refer to our SEC filings and consider the incorporated risks and uncertainties disclosed there, including our Form 8-K and the attached news release filed with the SEC this morning, and our Form 10-Q, which will be filed later today. We assume no obligation to update any forward-looking statements or information. Having said that, I will turn the call over to our President and CEO, Pete Duprey.

Peter C. Duprey

Analyst · Macquarie

Thanks, Joni, and thanks, everyone, for joining the call. This morning, we reported our third quarter results. Overall, we had another solid quarter, beating our revenue and EBITDA estimates, booking $87 million in new orders and adding another $6 million of cash. Towers had their strongest revenue and EBITDA quarter on record. After quarter end, we booked another $106 million in tower orders. The Gearing segment, however, had a challenging quarter, and we're continuing to work through some of the market and operational challenges. I'll talk in more detail about this later in the call. In Services, we did see some recovery in Q3 from the first -- from a weak first half of the year, but sales continued to lag behind the prior year due to low turbine construction activity and lower gearbox repair activity. Turning to the market outlook. We expect the market to be strong in 2014 and '15. We are active in lobbying for a PTC extension that will continue to drive out cost to the point where wind can compete with fossil fuels without government subsidies. The oil sector remains strong in our Gearing business. This has offset some of the weakness in the natural gas sector. According to the U.S. Energy Information Administration, in 2013, the U.S. is expected to be the largest oil producer over both Saudi Arabia and Russia. In the natural gas market, 4 liquefaction terminals have been approved and are expected to go online between 2015 and 2019, which represents about 10% of the current supply in natural gas. This, with continued switching to natural gas as a transportation fuel and increased consumption for industrial purposes, should create upward pricing pressure on natural gas, resulting in wind being an even more attractive alternative. Turning to orders. Towers booked $70 million…

Stephanie K. Kushner

Analyst · Gabelli Asset Management

Thanks, Pete. Turning to Slide 7. On $62.4 million of revenue, our third quarter gross profit margin of 9.1% was a big improvement. This brings the year-to-date average gross margin to 7.6%. This is a stronger improvement than we'd forecast and reflects the outstanding operational result for Towers. Q3 operating expense is $6.9 million included the $1.5 million EPA fine. So you can see that excluding that item, we spent $5.4 million on $62 million in revenue or 8.7%. Both of these figures support our 2014 outlook for gross margin of 9% to 11% and operating expense of 9% to 10%. Our adjusted EBITDA was $2.6 million, including the effect of the EPA settlement, which was frankly higher than we'd expected. The higher charge was offset by the stronger tower results, enabling us to finish the quarter in line with our EBITDA guidance. The EPS loss of $0.18 was higher than guidance because of slightly higher restructuring expenses due to timing and slightly higher interest and other expense, as well as a $0.10 per share impact of the environmental charge. Turning to Slide 8. The graph on the left shows the year-to-date gross margin, excluding restructuring, of 7.6%, nearly double the run rate for 2012 and slightly above the 6% to 7% full year range that I suggested last quarter. The improvement is due to the strong performance of the Tower business and also because some of the restructuring activities we have completed, which have reduced our operating footprint by about 400,000 square feet. The margin was negatively impacted by weak performance from Gearing and Services, but these factors were more than offset by the strong Tower results. On the operating expense side, you can see that SG&A percent was flat with last year's, when you exclude the other components…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And our first question comes from Angie Storozynski of Macquarie.

Angie Storozynski - Macquarie Research

Analyst · Macquarie

So first of all, you mentioned that you're already getting orders for towers in 2015. Can you give us a sense about -- if there were not to be an extension of ITC past the end of this year, I mean, is there any contingency embedded in those tower contracts? Do you feel like the recent IRS interpretation of the start of construction will allow for projects to be added to -- wind farms to be added to 2015 and still qualify for the ITC if it were not to be extended?

Peter C. Duprey

Analyst · Macquarie

Yes, Angie. The Internal Revenue Service -- the treasury recently came out with clarification on the PTC extension, and not going into the details, they basically said as long as you start your project by the end of 2013 and finish it by the end of 2015, they're really not going to question whether or not you qualify for the PTC credit. So essentially, as a result of the change in the language around start of construction, we effectively got a 3-year extension. So I think that clarification helps. So we think that '14 and '15 are going to be very good years for the wind industry, and we're pretty active in lobbying Washington. And I think we're going to really try to get another extension and likely a lame-duck session in '14 that would hopefully give us another extension similar to what got passed in 2013, get another -- effectively, another 3-year extension and work like hell to drive costs out of the costs of wind energy to be able to better compete with fossil fuels.

Angie Storozynski - Macquarie Research

Analyst · Macquarie

Okay. And then secondly -- so did you see any response from your competitors in the Towers business? Is anybody coming back -- I mean, any manufacturing capacity coming back online to compete with you in the Towers business?

Peter C. Duprey

Analyst · Macquarie

Yes, they're basically -- a couple of main competitors, Trinity is obviously our main competitor. Their order rate was way up in the third quarter. But they're also, I think, leaving capacity open for tank cars, they have a fairly significant backlog in tank cars. We do know that Marmont, who traditionally has been in Québec, and they bought our tower facility in South Dakota, they're getting that facility up and running. It had a capacity of about 5 -- or I'm sorry, 150 towers. And I think they're adding to that. So they may be able to produce 300 towers a year. So I think -- we feel very comfortable that there's enough supply in that domestic market to have a very reasonable industry going forward. So we're not -- we don't see a lot of excess capacity right now. The one thing we are keeping an eye on is Korea and Indonesia to make sure that -- because they were not part of the trade case that we filed against Vietnam and China. So if -- our outlook might change a little bit if Korea were to start sending a lot of towers over into the U.S., but we don't see that at this time.

Angie Storozynski - Macquarie Research

Analyst · Macquarie

Okay. And then lastly, you're not giving up on your Services business, but it doesn't seem like you're getting any traction. And I mean, what needs to -- you think it's just more of a -- your distribution channels? Or do you think there needs to be a shift in the market that the OEMs and the wind farm operators still maintaining their facilities in-house?

Peter C. Duprey

Analyst · Macquarie

I would say that we underestimated for 2013 the dramatic dropoff in build rate. So I think Stephanie mentioned that basically 50 megawatts have been placed in-service in the first 3 quarters. So what most owner-operators did who had teams of people who supported construction and commissioning activities took those people and put them on nonroutine maintenance. So that impacted our business fairly dramatically. We are developing some new products, primarily around up-tower, gear servicing, enhancing our blade service offering; our DriveMAX programs and our BladeMAX programs. So I think the whole key to service industry is being able to help an owner-operator or an OEM drive costs out of servicing a turbine or helping them improve the performance of the turbine. We've got some products out on the market. And we're starting to get some traction on that. I'm not at the point where I want to give up on the Services business. It's been a tough year. I do think it's going to come back as -- there's going to be a lot of building going on next year. I think we can help a lot of customers and continue on some of our own internal R&D to develop value-added products for those customers.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Beth Lilly of Gabelli Asset Management.

Elizabeth Murphy Lilly - Gabelli Funds, LLC

Analyst · Gabelli Asset Management

It's Beth Lilly from Gabelli Asset Management. We've been called a lot of things but stable asset management, that's a new one. So Stephanie, I wanted -- on the call, you talked about the difference between tower orders and section count, and can you explain a little bit of the difference and what you mean by tower orders are going to be lower because the section counts are lower? Can you explain that to us?

Stephanie K. Kushner

Analyst · Gabelli Asset Management

I think what I was trying to say is in the fourth quarter, our -- both our towers and our sections, and maybe I was too -- maybe I was kind of vague about that, but both our towers and sections are going to be a little lower than they were in the third quarter because the third quarter, we benefited from the carryover of some sections that were actually produced before June 30, but then fell into the third quarter revenue. So I...

Peter C. Duprey

Analyst · Gabelli Asset Management

Let me take a step back to the -- a tower is really 3 sections, 3 to 5. but most of what we're producing now is a 3-section tower. So...

Elizabeth Murphy Lilly - Gabelli Funds, LLC

Analyst · Gabelli Asset Management

Okay. So to the extent that the section production is lower then that's going to make the Tower production lower, right? Because you put 3 sections together to make a tower.

Stephanie K. Kushner

Analyst · Gabelli Asset Management

Yes, typically, it's going to be the same relationship. I think one of the clarifications I was making was that year-to-year, the 2 didn't move in sync because we had last year some 5-section towers that we don't have now.

Elizabeth Murphy Lilly - Gabelli Funds, LLC

Analyst · Gabelli Asset Management

Okay. So if going forward, will we see -- just so I can understand this. Well, when you talk about section demand or section orders, that in essence, is going to be a sense of how strong tower orders are? Right. Okay.

Stephanie K. Kushner

Analyst · Gabelli Asset Management

So if we're going to produce 500 towers next year, which is our objective, it's going to be 1,500 sections.

Elizabeth Murphy Lilly - Gabelli Funds, LLC

Analyst · Gabelli Asset Management

Okay. And why do you break out the difference between section orders and tower orders?

Stephanie K. Kushner

Analyst · Gabelli Asset Management

Only reason is, when we look at our main activity driver internally, it's a section and there are time periods when we have more or fewer sections per tower, so on some of the metrics, if we were just to talk to you about towers would be confusing.

Peter C. Duprey

Analyst · Gabelli Asset Management

It'd be fine if everything was a 3-section tower, but if you throw a 5-section tower in there, then your metrics are off with just looking at towers.

Stephanie K. Kushner

Analyst · Gabelli Asset Management

Yes, like this quarter versus last quarter, our tower count was up 30%, but our section count was only up 18%.

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from Arthur Friedman of Friedman Asset Management.

Unknown Analyst

Analyst · Friedman Asset Management

I wanted to talk quickly about the Gearing turnaround with the process improvement. I just want to understand, is the process improvement about returning to the customer repaired gearboxes, what exactly is the process improvement? Or does it have to do with shipping out the tower, the completed towers?

Peter C. Duprey

Analyst · Friedman Asset Management

So the process -- well, we're doing process improvement in all of the businesses. I'll take the first part of your question is around gearing. So just as a little background, the company has been a long-term industrial gearbox manufacturer. In 2005, shifted predominantly to 2 main customers in the wind energy market, producing wind energy loose gearing. So that shift to really 2 main customers that might have represented 80% of the revenue, created a very different manufacturing environment than we're having today where we've shifted back to more of an industrial focus. And in making those shifts, I think we greatly disrupted the flow of the business. And as we're shifting back to both loose gearing for a larger set of customers and looking to do more completed gearboxes because the more value-add, the higher the margin. As we make those shifts, we've gone through some, I would say, hiccups. We've also at the same time been consolidating 2 manufacturing facilities that are within 3 miles of each other into one facility. So a lot of change going on. And I think that's -- as well as the market, as we've shifted into industrial gearing, we went into the gas market and we went into the mining market, both of which are a bit soft right now. So a lot of market change, a lot of operational changes. So this year, we, in essence, took what I would call almost a timeout and said, we're going to relook at all of our processes, relook at how we leverage systems and really build a business that's scalable for the future. So you hear me talk a lot about continuous improvement and Kaizen events, that's what that's about. So we're retooling our processes to take out waste, to improve on-time delivery, which we think is a competitive advantage. So a lot of work going on, on the process side. And we think it's an investment that will pay off in the future.

Unknown Analyst

Analyst · Friedman Asset Management

That clarifies, because I do process improvement as well. That's very interesting, that. Another question I have is, if you take out the $1.1 million fine wouldn't your net loss have just been $1.1 million?

Stephanie K. Kushner

Analyst · Friedman Asset Management

Well the fine was actually $1.5 million.

Unknown Analyst

Analyst · Friedman Asset Management

Right. But your loss from continuing operations is $2.6 million. So would that have reduced that to $1.1 million?

Stephanie K. Kushner

Analyst · Friedman Asset Management

That's right.

Unknown Analyst

Analyst · Friedman Asset Management

Right. Okay. So that's actually -- it sounds to me like you're really on the right track. I mean, that's almost even.

Stephanie K. Kushner

Analyst · Friedman Asset Management

Yes. Thanks for that comment. It was -- the fine was really $0.10 out of that $0.18.

Unknown Analyst

Analyst · Friedman Asset Management

Right, Right. Okay. I just wanted to point that out because I think that's a key factor. And the last question I have is, have you thought about -- I see what you're saying about the irregular maintenance. Is there any way you could develop some sort of a -- or do you have it now, a product offering of regular scheduled maintenance, sort of like what the air-conditioner and furnace people do where they try and sell you a regularly scheduled maintenance package. Do you have anything like that or thought about anything like that?

Peter C. Duprey

Analyst · Friedman Asset Management

Yes. That's usually what's called in the wind industry, O&M services. And we started going into O&M services, we found that there were a lot of players, a couple of guys in a truck and then the original equipment manufacturers were also operating O&M services. So it became a very competitive market. With our competency in gearboxes and drivetrains and blades, we felt that, that was a higher margin business, albeit a little more seasonal. And so -- but we still think that if we were to go into pure O&M, we just not likely to have the margins that we need. So I think we may take a few accounts that are maybe in our backyard as base revenue. But I think we still want to continue down the path of really this nonroutine maintenance around the gearbox. Now the other initiative we're starting to develop is really drivetrain services in adjacent markets like mining, oil and gas. Because where a lot of the wind farms are, there's a lot of exploration going on for oil, gas and -- so we think that our techs are trained really to do multiple types of drivetrains. So that's really kind of a growth opportunity as we look forward.

Operator

Operator

And then at this time, we have no further questions. I'll turn the call back to Pete Duprey for final remarks.

Peter C. Duprey

Analyst · Macquarie

Yes, I'd just like to wrap this up and say that I think Towers had an exceptional quarter. It's the best one on record. We are fully aware of the challenges in Gearing and Services, and we're spending a lot of time in those businesses. Overall, I think the quarter was solid. When you take the fine out, our EBITDA was $4.1 million, which, I think, was significant improvement over last year and over the previous quarter. I think we have the tools in place. The results that we reported to date in 2013 and our unwavering focus on operational execution, I'm confident we can achieve our milestone of profitability in 2014. And I really look forward to kind of wrapping up the year and talking more on our call in February about really our plans in more detail for 2014 and showing how we could deliver on our results in '13. So again, I'm actually looking forward to talking about that in the coming months. So thanks for joining the call, and we'll talk again in a few months.

Operator

Operator

Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. This concludes today's conference. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.