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Broadwind, Inc. (BWEN)

Q3 2017 Earnings Call· Tue, Oct 31, 2017

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Operator

Operator

Good morning and welcome to the Broadwind Energy Third Quarter 2017 Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in a listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions] After today's presentation there will be an opportunity to ask questions. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Joni Konstantelos, Director of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Joni Konstantelos

Analyst

Thank you, Dennis. Good morning and welcome to Broadwind Energy's third quarter 2017 earnings conference call. With me today are Broadwind's President and CEO, Stephanie Kushner; and Broadwind's Vice President and CFO, Jason Bonfigt. This morning's earnings news release is available on our website at bwen.com. Before we begin today, I would like to caution you that this call will include some forward-looking statements regarding our plans and market outlook, and also we'll reference some non-GAAP financial measures. Actual results may differ materially from these forward-looking statements. Please refer to our SEC filings and consider the incorporated risks and uncertainties disclosed there, including our Form 8-K and the attached news release filed with the SEC this morning and our Form 10-Q, which will be filed later today. We assume no obligation to update any forward-looking statements or information. Having said that, I will turn the call over to Stephanie Kushner.

Stephanie Kushner

Analyst · ROTH Capital Partners. Please go ahead

Good morning and thank you. We reported reduced revenues of $30 million for the quarter, as we experienced the sharp drop at power production volumes caused by a reduction in second half demand from our largest customer. Sales for both gearing and process systems grew which partially compensated for the tower weakness. Although the fourth quarter is even more challenging, our tower revenue will begin to normalize beginning after the first of the year. In gearing, we continue to see strong demand from oil and gas customers, primarily for frac gearings. But there are early signs of other parts of the industry are coming back as well. And mining is clearly on a recovery path. So, we expect that to represent a growing part of our bookings going forward. We shipped $700 million in gearing and reported positive EBITDA for that segment, which fell short of positive operating income due to additional maintenance, tooling and training costs to support the ramp up. We will make further progress in the fourth quarter. Process systems achieved profitability in the quarter on $6 million of sales. Red Wolf results were accretive, but the business is being impacted by weaker than expected sales into the gas turbine after market. Therefore we are not likely to pay an earn out just to the sellers for at least the first year. We've been managing our costs proactively during the tower weakness and reduced our manufacturing overhead and operating expenses by another $1.1 million sequentially. Our liquidity remains sound as we navigate through this challenging period. We successfully reduced our working capital during the quarter, which reduced the borrowings on our line of credit to $8 million. We had $12 million of availability on the line at quarter end. Tower bookings continued very low in the quarter…

Jason Bonfigt

Analyst · Cowen & Company. Please go ahead

Thank you, Stephanie. Turning to Slide 8, sales for the quarter were $29.6 million in line with our guidance 30% lower than prior year, primarily driven by a 63% decrease in tower sold. A result of our tower customers reduced purchases in order to draw down a component in inventories. Partially offsetting the tower segment decline with additional sales associated with the Red Wolf acquisition and continues to strength the end markets where our gearing segment participates in. Leading up to Q3, we had a favorable sales comparisons that were primarily driven by the tower demand to support the PTC qualification factors. However the lower tower production levels moved our year-to-date comparison down approximately 3% versus the prior year. Gross profit margins reduced to 3.4% from 12.5% last year primarily result of low tower facility capacity utilization. And we had an operating loss of $1.8 million in the quarter and a $900,000 of EBITDA. Both well below previous quarter run rates, but in line with the guidance we outlined last quarter. The EBITDA result included the release of the $1.4 million contingent earn out liability related to the Red Wolf acquisition which was based on our most recent EBITDA forecast being below earn out threshold levels. Conversely we had several unfavorable items that we are classifying as our other shift impacts or other non-recurring items. These included approximately $250,000 of tower material written off due to a discontinued tower design, $300,000 of adjustments related to increases in expected claims costs associated with the previous period self-insured workers' compensation programs. And the residual impact of the self-insured healthcare insurance associated with the reduction in workforce. Lastly we incurred an additional $300,000 to $400,000 of gearing and ramp up costs related to supporting the order growth we've have seen in 2017. Year-to-date…

Stephanie Kushner

Analyst · ROTH Capital Partners. Please go ahead

Our first quarter outlook is for very weak tower revenue and total Broadwind revenue of $20 million. At this curtailed production rate, we expect an EBITDA loss of $2 million to $3 million. Our visibility improves after the beginning of the year when revenue should begin to normalize. We should see sales back in the $30 million range in the first quarter and then above $ 40 million by the second quarter. This would have been a very difficult second half for Broadwind and our vulnerability to a change in production schedule for our largest customer reinforces for us the urgency we have to expand and diversify our customer base at every level of the business. In towers, we expect to add 1 to 2 customers next year. In gearing, we've done a nice job of diversifying and it's showing up in our numbers. Our commercial focus there is also to broaden our participation across industries. And our process systems business needs to grow outside of the gas turbine market and beyond our dominant customer. I'd be reporting back on the progress during the upcoming quarters. Looking ahead we are focused on achieving consistent profitability in gears and a $9 million to $10 million quarterly revenue run rate. And in process systems, we are launching a new cable product this quarter and also continuing to focus on customer and product diversification opportunities. We expect to enter 2018 with the wind that are back for all three business segments. I look forward to being able to report a return to profitability in the middle of next year. Thank you. I'll turn it over to Denise to moderate questions.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] The first question will come from Justin Clare of ROTH Capital Partners. Please go ahead.

Justin Clare

Analyst · ROTH Capital Partners. Please go ahead

Hi, everyone. Thanks for taking my questions.

Stephanie Kushner

Analyst · ROTH Capital Partners. Please go ahead

Good morning, Justin.

Justin Clare

Analyst · ROTH Capital Partners. Please go ahead

Good morning. So, first half we saw that Siemens Gamesa announced the turbine order for over 780 megawatts or 300 towers for the U.S. market today. Can you just update us on your discussions that are ongoing with the company post merger? And whether you expect to be able to supply the towers for this order, what the potential is there?

Stephanie Kushner

Analyst · ROTH Capital Partners. Please go ahead

Certainly, the information for and our visibility have improved very significantly over the last several weeks. And although I can't say exactly how many of those towers we will be building certainly, backwards that's good news and many of those projects we've been discussing.

Justin Clare

Analyst · ROTH Capital Partners. Please go ahead

Okay, great. And then maybe turning to pricing, it appears that pricing declines for wind turbines in the U.S. may have recently accelerated. And Siemens, Gamesa also did announce write down of inventory as a result of pricing pressure. I don't know, if you could just talk about the pricing environment for towers, whether you are seeing an increased pressure from customers?

Stephanie Kushner

Analyst · ROTH Capital Partners. Please go ahead

Yes. We began seeing increased pricing pressure probably earlier this year and something that we focused and then working on frankly for more than a year and that is two things. One, improving our production processes and our efficiencies and also working with our customers on the design of their towers to improve the manufacturability. So, we are working in both areas, our hope is to offset much or much or even all of the pricing pressure. And but definitely we are partnering with our customers, so that everybody wins what is a weaker pricing environment.

Justin Clare

Analyst · ROTH Capital Partners. Please go ahead

Okay. Got it. And then, as we look into 2018, you are expecting revenue growth in Q1 and Q2, can you share how much of that revenue growth is expected to be from the tower segment? Thank you.

Stephanie Kushner

Analyst · ROTH Capital Partners. Please go ahead

We are just working on our operating plan right now. So, it maybe a little bit premature. I think I did talk about -- we think hearing will -- should go into the year and progress in that $9 million to $10 million quarterly level. So, we are starting to get some traction with our other welded fabrication. But, as you could imagine that much of an increase -- so, a lot of that increase is going to come from the tower business.

Justin Clare

Analyst · ROTH Capital Partners. Please go ahead

Okay, great. Thanks very much. I will pass it on.

Stephanie Kushner

Analyst · ROTH Capital Partners. Please go ahead

Thanks.

Operator

Operator

The next question will come from Jeff Osborne of Cowen & Company. Please go ahead.

Jeff Osborne

Analyst · Cowen & Company. Please go ahead

Hey, good morning, Stephanie. Couple of questions. The OpEx run rate, first of all, where was the $1.4 million, the reversal of the earn out, where is that in the income statement? Is that an offset to SG&A, we should think about much higher level of SG&A going forward?

Jason Bonfigt

Analyst · Cowen & Company. Please go ahead

Yes. Jeff that's flowing through SG&A under our corporate segment reporting.

Jeff Osborne

Analyst · Cowen & Company. Please go ahead

Got you. So, there was that, and then, if I heard you right there was couple of hundred thousand dollars of extra training expenses as well that you had this quarter that probably isn't repeatable in the coming quarters, is that right?

Stephanie Kushner

Analyst · Cowen & Company. Please go ahead

That would have been in fixed over head because that was labor related.

Jeff Osborne

Analyst · Cowen & Company. Please go ahead

That was in accounting.

Stephanie Kushner

Analyst · Cowen & Company. Please go ahead

Yes.

Jeff Osborne

Analyst · Cowen & Company. Please go ahead

Okay. And then, I guess just following up on the last question from Ron. How do we think about, I guess the visibility something you still working on the operating plan, Stephanie but I guess what gives you the confidence that towers will return in Q1 and Q2 versus just for argument sake the middle of next year. Is it the improved discussions you had with your lead customer that gives you that line of site or something else?

Stephanie Kushner

Analyst · Cowen & Company. Please go ahead

Yes. We are starting to get visibility into production planning and operational expectations for 2018 and that's what have had given us that comfort.

Jeff Osborne

Analyst · Cowen & Company. Please go ahead

Got it. And then, I found it intriguing that you mentioned one or two new customers as a goal for next year, certainly diversification would help. I guess what's the strategy and plan [indiscernible] there, I heard you talk about a prototype unit this quarter which is encouraging. But, I guess what's the evaluation process of that prototype and how quickly it can lead to greater level of orders?

Stephanie Kushner

Analyst · Cowen & Company. Please go ahead

Jeff, over the years Broadwind has sold towers for just about every turbine customer, every turbine manufacturers. So, for us it's about the communication, the bidding process and the dialogue with those potential customers.

Jeff Osborne

Analyst · Cowen & Company. Please go ahead

And then, how long would that prototype take, how long would your customer evaluate that? Is that something that maybe in six months, you could see actual firm orders for, if they are pleased with the prototype?

Stephanie Kushner

Analyst · Cowen & Company. Please go ahead

It is probably too soon to say. I think we have more to say on that probably at the next quarter.

Jeff Osborne

Analyst · Cowen & Company. Please go ahead

Okay. And then, the last question I had, if you don't mind, just on back on Red Wolf, I guess just how do you gauge the reduced activity at Red Wolf's historic primary customer versus potential just for argument sake lost market share or some other variable there. Is there a way that you've gotten visibility from them that, hey, things are a bit slow and you still are primary partner as we have these after market components that you could serve?

Stephanie Kushner

Analyst · Cowen & Company. Please go ahead

Yes. We spent a lot of time digging into that to understand. And we know the majority of the downturn is linked to lower activity in their part, although to be fair, we can see one area of that where there is a new competitor in that is taking some market share from us. But, I think it's something on the order of -- well, I don't know the number, I forgot. But, it's probably a quarter of the reduction.

Jeff Osborne

Analyst · Cowen & Company. Please go ahead

Got it.

Stephanie Kushner

Analyst · Cowen & Company. Please go ahead

On the other hand, high areas where we are starting to make inroads and pull back share ourself. So, I think there is -- some normal market dynamics going on there.

Jeff Osborne

Analyst · Cowen & Company. Please go ahead

Got it. Thank you. Appreciate it.

Stephanie Kushner

Analyst · Cowen & Company. Please go ahead

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] The next question will come from Chris Morgan of Macquarie. Please go ahead.

Chris Morgan

Analyst · Macquarie. Please go ahead

Hey, Stephanie, congrats on the [Technical Difficulty].

Stephanie Kushner

Analyst · Macquarie. Please go ahead

How Chris, how are you?

Chris Morgan

Analyst · Macquarie. Please go ahead

Good. You had mentioned that the Red Wolf customer and product diversification might be going over a bit more slowly than previously planned? Could you please provide a little bit more color on that front, so it has the products you are hoping [indiscernible] by now that maybe you aren't quite yet?

Stephanie Kushner

Analyst · Macquarie. Please go ahead

Probably the -- we are proceeding on couple of fronts. One is, to do work with other gas turbine customers and we have discussions ongoing but that is not yet translated into a new order flow. And then, the other one is tower internals because the market has been weak, it's been a tough time to start picking up business, but again, we are persistent, we know that's not a very well served market. So, we expect to see some traction in the next year or so.

Chris Morgan

Analyst · Macquarie. Please go ahead

Okay. Now, do you have a sense of how much the tower demand [Technical Difficulty]

Stephanie Kushner

Analyst · Macquarie. Please go ahead

I'm sorry, you cut out -- you are cutting in now.

Chris Morgan

Analyst · Macquarie. Please go ahead

Okay. Do you have a sense of how much of the tower demand weakness is due to idiosyncrasy choose with a key customer versus the general industry weakness?

Stephanie Kushner

Analyst · Macquarie. Please go ahead

Well, I think maybe you can see, one of the graphs we showed you there was definitely a dip, there is definitely a dip in built this year. And also, there was some buy ahead as a result of the PTC qualification. So, we have trouble -- and then, on top of that our two largest customers merged. So, it's hard for us to separate those into pieces, but all three have contributed to some of our difficulties this year.

Chris Morgan

Analyst · Macquarie. Please go ahead

Okay. And then, on CNG, you had mentioned that diesel, gas spread there, whether is there any other color you could provide on progress and improving your CNG?

Stephanie Kushner

Analyst · Macquarie. Please go ahead

On improving our…

Chris Morgan

Analyst · Macquarie. Please go ahead

CNG product line.

Stephanie Kushner

Analyst · Macquarie. Please go ahead

I mean, we are definitely -- we are having a tough time with that product line because we are relatively a new entrant and the actual CNG station activity is down probably 80% from where it was when we entered the market. Well, we think we have got a good product and we've captured a couple of customers, it's just the level of activity is just not what we would have expected again in large part because of the economics.

Chris Morgan

Analyst · Macquarie. Please go ahead

Thanks Stephanie. I will jump back in the queue.

Stephanie Kushner

Analyst · Macquarie. Please go ahead

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And at this time, we will conclude the question-and-answer session. I would like to hand the conference back over to Stephanie Kushner for any closing remarks.

Stephanie Kushner

Analyst · ROTH Capital Partners. Please go ahead

Thanks Denise. And thanks your interest. This was a tough quarter for towers. But, I'm happy to report some solid progress on our other segments. We expect Q4 to be our low point. But, then for our revenue to normalize beginning in 2018 and we expect 2018 to be a stronger year for all three segments. Thank you again.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, the conference has concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect your lines.