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Operator

Operator

Good morning, and welcome to Boston Properties' Fourth Quarter Earnings Call. This call is being recorded. [Operator Instructions]. At this time, I'd like to turn the conference over to Ms. Arista Joyner, Investor Relations Manager for Boston Properties. Please go ahead.

Arista Joyner

Analyst

Good morning, and welcome to Boston Properties Fourth Quarter Earnings Conference Call. The press release and supplemental package were distributed last night, as well as furnished on Form 8-K. In the supplemental package, the company has reconciled all non-GAAP financial measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measure in accordance with Reg G requirements. If you did not receive a copy, these documents are available in the Investor Relations section of our website at www.bostonproperties.com. An audio webcast of this call will be available for 12 months in the Investor Relations section of our website. At this time, we would like to inform you that certain statements made during this conference call, which are not historical, may constitute forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Although Boston Properties believes the expectations reflected in any forward-looking statements are based on reasonable assumptions, it can give no assurance that its expectations will be attained. Factors and risks that could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed or implied by forward-looking statements were detailed in Thursday's press release and from time to time, in the company's filings with the SEC. The company does not undertake a duty to update any forward-looking statements. Having said that, I'd like to welcome Mort Zuckerman, Executive Chairman; Owen Thomas, Chief Executive Officer; Doug Linde, President; and Mike LaBelle, Chief Financial Officer. During the question-and-answer portion of our call, Ray Ritchey, our Executive Vice President of Acquisitions and Development, and our regional management teams will be available to address any questions. I would now like to turn the call over to Mort Zuckerman for his remarks.

Mortimer Zuckerman

Analyst

Good morning, everybody. This is Mort Zuckerman. Let me spend a little bit of time talking about the economy – since we all work within that environment. The mood out there is really quite despondent. In the recent poll only 40% of Americans say they are satisfied with the economy, this erosion of support is because we are undergoing the weakest recovery from our recession since World War 2 and they have restored the benefits of a rebounding economy have not reached a significant percentage of Americans. In manufacturing we have 300,000 fewer jobs compared to when Obama took office and 1.5 million fewer total jobs than before the recession. Adjusted for inflation the average wage for an employee in America has increased by a mere 2% since Obama took office and half of that is because of increased hourly pay and the other half is because of increased hours. Ordinary folks are just not sharing the little wealth that has been created. Fortunately lower gas prices have put about $7.5 a week into the average wallet, but the President has lost much of his credibility interaction with the public and so is the Congress. The President is trying to shift all the next tax burdens as a tax on capital or wealth rather than on income or wages and the Republicans want to find ways to help the middle class primarily through a much stronger job market which they don’t believe will come out of the Obama approach. But it’s that kind of environment that is still the background for what we are all working in. A year ago 65% said the gap between the rich and everyone else had grown over the last ten years and 90% of Democrats and 45% of Republicans want to do something about…

Owen Thomas

Analyst

Okay. Good morning, everyone, it’s Owen Thomas. Thank you very much Mort. You and Ed Linde certainly built a remarkable franchise over the last 45 years and all of us have walked in properties are very grateful for all your successes on the company’s behalf and we look forward to continuing our work together with you as Chairman of the Board. This morning I want to address the economic and operating environment, our performance for the fourth quarter and provide an update on our capital strategy and related accomplishments. Let me start with the environment, Mort touched on some of this. We’ve all experienced rather significant and at least in my opinion unexpected volatility in a number of capital and commodity markets over the last quarter. As we all know oil prices have dropped to $45 a barrel -- basically dropped in half in just the last three months. European economies continue to suffer declining economic growth and inflation prompting strong action by the European Central Bank which initiated a new and aggressive QE program. Many other Central Banks around the world have and will continue to take comparable actions. China announced 7.4% GDP growth for 2014 its lowest level since 1990. Lower interest rates and slower growth outside the U.S have prompted a roughly a 15% rise in the trade weighted dollar over the last six months, and importantly lower interest rates around the world have sparked a reduction in our rates here in the U.S. The 10-year has dropped another 40 to 50 basis points in the last quarter to a level of around 1.8% today. U.S economic growth has remained reasonably robust; the forecast for this year or for 2014 is around 2.5%. You just saw our fourth quarter announcement of 2.6% and the unemployment rate which…

Douglas Linde

Analyst

Thanks, Owen. Good morning, everybody. Talking to you here from snowy Boston, where we've recovered from the blizzard of January 2015. We were – in fact, were closed on Tuesday, so we couldn't physically get here, there was a state of emergency. All the roads were closed. So we were unable to get our work out to you as we'd hoped. But we got it to you last night and here we are this morning. I'm going to organize my comments into three segments today. The current state of our operating markets, I'm going to give you a short update on our existing development pipeline. And then I'm going give – put a little bit more meat on the bones of our future development activities. Consistent with Owen's remarks on the overall US economy as we enter 2015, the overall health of the office markets, in our opinion is stronger today than it was 12 months ago. And why do I – why do we say this. Well, first and foremost, it's the demand from the technology and the life sciences businesses that's really driving things, and it continues to be very strong. In 2014, there was more capital deployed in the start-up ecosystem than in any year since 2000. Venture capital investing in 2014 was over $48 billion and included more first and second round investment than at any time since 2001. The Silicon Valley and New York City and Boston dominate the share of those investments. In 2014, the top 20 technology leases in San Francisco totaled almost 3.8 million square feet of demand. The average of the previous four years, which all were strong years, was 1.9 million square feet. In Massachusetts, we had 17 biotech IPOs in 2014 compared to 9 in 2013. And while the…

Michael LaBelle

Analyst

Great. Thanks, Dough. Appreciate it. Good morning, everybody. I’m going to start with the couple of comments on our capital markets activity. As Owen mentioned, we have successful closing of sales of Patriot's Park and the portfolio of sale of 45% interest in Atlantic Wharf, 100 Federal Street and 601 Lexington Avenue this quarter. The returns associated with these deals reflect the strong value creation that we can achieve through the development process, as well as the smart and disciplined acquisition strategy. The unleveraged IRRs we generated with these investments were strong and total 10% for Patriot's Park, which is over 16 year whole period and 15.5% for the portfolio sale. I do want to point that the $970 million gains on sale for the portfolio deal is reflected in our financial statement has an increase in our paid in capital account combined with the decrease in non-controlling interest and property partnerships to account for the debt assumed, and not as a simple gain on sale as you might expect. This accounting treatments stems from the fact that we have maintained operating control of the buildings and we will continue to consolidate them under GAAP. We were also active in the debt market this quarter. We refinanced our $150 million expiring mortgage loan on 901 New York Avenue. The old loan had an interest rate of 5.19% and the new 10-year mortgage loan which is for $225 million, it has a coupon of 3.61%. We locked the rate when 10-year treasury rates were in the 2% range and with rally in rate this we think we can price a new 10-year in the bond market today in the 3.8% to 3.25% area. This quarter we also regained $550 million of our unsecured notes that were set to expire in mid…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And our first question comes from Michael Bilerman with Citi.

Michael Bilerman

Analyst

It’s Michael. If we look at the residences at The Avenue sale, you had a comment about NOI support in your press release. Just wondering if you could share some details of what that entails with us

Owen Thomas

Analyst

Sure. So the weighted transaction restructured was exactly $196 million purchase price and to the extent that NOI is less than a particular number over the first I think six years of the property performance we effectively have agreed to make up the difference to the tune of a total of and a maximum amount of $6 million. So effectively for purposes of accounting we are only going to book $190 million sale and we have a $6 million receivable effectively there that will if we actually paid out then it will nothing will change if we don’t pay it out last $6 million of additional gain later over the period.

Michael Bilerman

Analyst

That's helpful. And then maybe just more generally, was wondering if you've seen any changes in the investment landscape across your sort of prime CBD market, especially from foreign buyers? And maybe as a secondary, that if the drop in crude oil prices has led to any more recent changes in that environment?

Owen Thomas

Analyst

Michael, it’s Owen, I’d say no. I think that I can’t point to a large number of significant trades there, but my expectation is that lower interest rate could make cap rates even more aggressive in our markets. And given that a number of sub and wealth funds are driven by oil revenues that is a very logical question you ask but I haven’t seen any tempering of enthusiasm from there, because of lower oil prices. So we expect that he interest in our core markets by offshore investors will continue into 2015.

Michael Bilerman

Analyst

Great, thanks guys.

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from Jamie Feldman with Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Jamie Feldman

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Good morning. I'm hoping you can talk a little bit more about your comments on New York City. I think you had said you are seeing a pickup in 99,000 square feet and larger leasing activity on Park Avenue. Financial Services firms, boutiques getting a little stronger there. So I guess just kind of big picture as we are thinking about the year ahead, how is Park Avenue stacking up versus some of the other submarkets? And what are tenants -- what is kind of tenant desiring now for like some of the -- for either downtown or for the Hudson Yards versus some of these more traditional submarkets?

Owen Thomas

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch

John, do you want to take the first crack at that?

John Francis Powers

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Sure. Yes James, New York is in terrific shape now and on every measure if you look at tourists, if you look at employment; if you look at the number of people living in the city pretty much every variable is positive. As it reflects the leasing market I think the text are commission very well and you are seeing some expansion on the Midtown south into downtown and also into Midtown particularly the western part. And as Doug said, the financial market on the high end is doing very well also. So the availability rate has dropped about a point and were looking forward to drop all this year.

Jamie Feldman

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Okay. Any thoughts on prospects for rent growth in Midtown over the next year?

John Francis Powers

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Well I think that we are going to continue to see more upward pressure on rent than balance pressure. The availability rate however historically is still fairly high for rate what I would call event spike or event pop, although you have seen that certainly in some sections of the City and Midtown south certainly on the high end market we have a lot of activity at the over $90 and over $100 number that Doug mentioned that carrier has been cracked in a way it hasn’t been since 2007. So I think that there is still going to be upward rent but perhaps not the rent spike until that availability rate drops down certainly to single digits.

Jamie Feldman

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Okay, and then just if you were to think about if the pendulum of demand, how maybe a year ago, Hudson Yards was very interesting to people, talking to brokers and some of the other companies, maybe that swung a little bit more towards traditional Midtown submarkets now, is that -- are you seeing that as well? Or it hasn't really changed?

John Francis Powers

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Well the Hudson Yards has been very attractive to the very large users that needed a block of space because finally you have got some space in Manhattan has been very difficult except of course downtown and most of the large, most of the deals done there have been through large organizations to set a land on very large blocks of space. The balance of Midtown has been very active and continues to be active. We’re seeing very good activity at 250 now, 510 is pretty much done. When we get a floor of the GM that went quickly. So, with regard to the occupants of the vacancy we’ve going to have at 399, we’re pretty optimistic on that, that’s the City space and the Morgan real space that were rolling it’s like 17. We are already working on that and we are already seeing good activity.

Jamie Feldman

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Okay. And then just a follow up for Michael LaBelle. Can you talk about the better G&A outlook what moved that?

Michael LaBelle

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch

So our G&A for 2014 was about $98 million, $99 million and there was still some costs in there from the transition of the CO that we had. So those costs are basically out of 2015. So 2015 now excludes those costs and has a kind of a general increase that we typically have for our competition.

Jamie Feldman

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Okay. All right….

Michael LaBelle

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch

So we basically did, we finalized all of our competition process over the last two weeks and we have put in what we actually have for raises and anticipated bonus accrual for 2015 in the numbers now.

Jamie Feldman

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Okay. All right, thank you.

Michael LaBelle

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch

I just want to make one more comment on New York City because I mean I did someone else that would put out a – what’s going on with City. And I want to relate it to what we did, so the reality of the situation in New York is that for large tenant demand there are three primary choices. There’s the renewal in place, there is the new construction on the far west side those have Hudson Yards or a Brookfield's project or there is the new construction and the huge availabilities downtown. The pricing opportunities on those two new constructions of areas are subsidized in some way shape or form how do you want to characterize it. And so, and recognizing that a large tenant with a 2017 to 2020 lease expiration in Manhattan have reason to look at those types of alternative, we made a decision that we were better off trying to cut those deals early at rents that we considered to be market rents for our space when we did that, which basically put our portfolio in the situation that we are now in which is the bulk of the availability that we have is in very small chunks of space in the higher portions of our buildings where we have the ability to achieve more premium rents than we might have had we allowed these various tenants to sign lease expirations that were going to bring them out of those buildings two or three or four years from now where we really didn’t know when we were going to get the space back, what their market conditions might be. So, that those big blocks of space still remain the city and they have an impact on large tenant leasing, but they don’t have that same impact on the single floor at a General Motors building or the single floor at a 510 Madison Avenue or a single floor at 399 or a single floor at 601. So we feel really good about how we have strategically positioned our portfolio in the context of what will likely happen in Midtown Manhattan and downtown Manhattan over the next three or four years.

Jamie Feldman

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Okay. And what do you consider the cut off when you say big buck?

Owen Thomas

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch

John, what your deal [ph] 250,000 square feet?

John Francis Powers

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Well, yes I would say 250 or more, most of the deals they have gone to the west side or gone downtown have been launched into that. I’d say probably the average size is more like 500, but certainly a 250,000 foot user has few choices in Midtown. There are -- in addition to what Doug said, there are a couple of choices on 6th Avenue, one or two and that was another price point, clearly our renewals were done at a higher price point than that also. But those are essentially the choices that rush tenants out Downtown, Westside something on 6th or stay in place.

Jamie Feldman

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch

And is there a pipeline at all of new 250,000 square foot plus users like anywhere new to the market that’s looking for that much space?

John Francis Powers

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Well there’s always new users but when you just shove them further in the future. So the 19s are pretty much done now and people are looking that 20s and 21s research [ph] prices. So those tenants are starting to get in the market interviewing brokers.

Jamie Feldman

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Okay. All right. Thanks for the added color.

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from Jed Reagan with Green Street Advisors.

Jed Reagan

Analyst · Green Street Advisors.

Good morning guys. How is the early law firm renewal process going so far versus your initial expectations, maybe if you were scoring yourself on your internal score card? And how much more of that program do you think you can complete in 2015?

Owen Thomas

Analyst · Green Street Advisors.

Can I jump in on the first one since we look at lot of these? We targeted and we’ve done four out of five and we’re still working on the last one.

Douglas Linde

Analyst · Green Street Advisors.

And in our other markets we had one on Boston which we completed and we have had three in Washington, D.C, one of them is done which I described one of them. We are in negotiation to complete and third one we made the decisions that rental desire to that kind we’re not comparable with where we thought the space would be allowed to be let by other tenant and so we chose to move on.

Owen Thomas

Analyst · Green Street Advisors.

And that doesn’t have an exploration of 2019 Doug.

Jed Reagan

Analyst · Green Street Advisors.

Okay. And the renewal in New York that had a role down was that unexpected roll down or did that come just you doesn’t landed that sooner than you’d initially thought?

Owen Thomas

Analyst · Green Street Advisors.

I’ll give you the specifics there was tenant that did at least 10 years ago and their rent was $135 a square foot and that’s above markets for they were in the building at 599 and we could resell them to at market rent.

Jed Reagan

Analyst · Green Street Advisors.

Okay. And then on the San Francisco option agreement, can you just talk about your expected timeline for moving through the permitting process on that? And if you were successful in permitting, do you feel like that's a project for this cycle potentially or are you more likely looking at a future cycle?

Owen Thomas

Analyst · Green Street Advisors.

I’m going to let Bob answer the question if the site were permitted today it would be just cycle project, but I think that the matter is that it’s not going to get permitted in short order. So Bob, you want to you sort of give a perspective on the permitting process.

Robert Pester

Analyst · Green Street Advisors.

Sure. This site falls within Central SoMa which is the master plan by the city right, that’s not expected to actually be in place until sometime in 2016. They say first quarter probably be beyond that. So it definitely is going to be next cycle project based Prop M allocation and the Central SoMa quarter plan.

Owen Thomas

Analyst · Green Street Advisors.

But this site is in the heart of where all the activity is right now. I mean, if this site were available today, we probably would have significant demand for the larger tenants because of – proximity to the central subway line and the configuration of the site and the fact that we can do a really large floor plate.

Jed Reagan

Analyst · Green Street Advisors.

Boston Properties' move their local offices to that building?

Owen Thomas

Analyst · Green Street Advisors.

I don’t think we have enough demand for the size of floors that this building would allow to have. So we’re probably better off, a more traditional size floor plate.

Jed Reagan

Analyst · Green Street Advisors.

Thanks a lot guys.

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from Brad Burke with Goldman Sachs.

Brad Burke

Analyst · Goldman Sachs.

Thank you. Good morning, guys. Doug, I wanted to know what you’re saying with construction cost and whether it’s more pronounced in any of your markets than the others. And when you talk about building to over 7%, are you expecting much in the way of cost inflation?

Douglas Linde

Analyst · Goldman Sachs.

Okay. Let me answer the question in the following way. As much deflation as there is in the overall economy right now in terms of impacts of oil prices and the impact of other commodities, it’s not being reflected in reductions in construction costs in our markets. And that’s largely due to two things. The first is that the overall amount of activity in our markets on a relative basis is probably higher today that’s it’s been at any time over the past five or six years, so there is more institutional, residential, as well as commercial development going on in New York City, in Washington, D.C, in Boston and in San Francisco than there has been in quite some time. The other thing that has occurred is that during the downturn there were a number of contractors who basically gave up and either went out of business because they decided it wasn’t profitable, or they were forced out of business, because they couldn’t make ends meet. So there are number of quality contractors that are around to do the kind of work that we need to have done has been reduced. And so there has been somewhere in the neighborhood of 3.5% to 4.5% annualized increases in construction budgeting over the past year or so. And that is what we are using as we plan our projects on a going forward and that’s all baked into our numbers. And we really don’t expect to see much in the way of a change in that. In fact in some of the cities, some of the larger projects like the potential casino that’s going to be built in Everett [ph] and the current casino that’s being constructed at National Harbor are major users of both materials and labor and given that the revenue models of those types of projects are such that time is particularly important. They are prepared pay whatever takes to get resources and that impacts the overall availability from a construction perspective in those markets as well. So we’re seeing it and we don’t expect for it to abate further.

Michael LaBelle

Analyst · Goldman Sachs.

Just add to that Brad. On the projects that we have underway which is $2.1 billion that I indicated and Owen indicated had a return of over 7%. The vast majority of the cost associated with those prices have been bought, because those projects are underway. We have GMPs on contracts in place for those projects. So we’re protected on those. The place where cost increases would have more of impact is the future stuff that Owen had mentioned and Doug had mentioned where we’re building that into our budget based upon the timing of when we think those projects are going to happen.

Brad Burke

Analyst · Goldman Sachs.

Okay. That’s helpful. And then…

Michael LaBelle

Analyst · Goldman Sachs.

Yes, just before and there is more [indiscernible] and Owen probably should talk about it, which is, I mean interest in our component and where people’s returns expectations are also sort of a part of this whole process.

Owen Thomas

Analyst · Goldman Sachs.

Yes. Well, look I think that given lower interest rates and lower return generally available in the world, I think that’s going to contribute to compression in the yields that investors are looking for in the development projects, and but that impacting land prices directly.

Brad Burke

Analyst · Goldman Sachs.

And with the 15 basis points decline that was same maybe more than that over the past couple of months. Are you seeing that yet and expectations and the pricing on assets or is it more anticipated?

Michael LaBelle

Analyst · Goldman Sachs.

I think we are seeing it. If you look at land price escalation that’s occurred in San Francisco, I mean, some of it is clearly due to above inflation levels of rent increases that’s driving some of it, but I think some of it definitely driving, is driven by returns. As we underwrite some of the sites that have been – that have sold they certainly are not being sold at least on our underwriting at 7% yield.

Brad Burke

Analyst · Goldman Sachs.

Okay. And then, Mike, as we are looking at the trajectory of FFO over the course of 2015, I think the full-year guidance is coming in line with what a lot of us were thinking about. The first quarter is lower, and I realize there are a lot of moving parts. But I was hoping you could help us think about FFO trajectory over the year, whether there's anything unusual in the first quarter beyond you had pointed out the normal seasonality with the hotel business and G&A? And I know you are expecting -- I think you had said $53 million to $63 million from those recently completed developments. But can you give us a sense of how much of that you are expecting in the first quarter?

Michael LaBelle

Analyst · Goldman Sachs.

So I would expect that our FFO would improve as the years goes on. As I mentioned in the core portfolio, we expect our occupancy to be at low point in the first quarter and will improve going forward. So I would expect to improve modestly throughout the year. And on the development side, you’re also talking about in the first quarter a contribution of that $53 million to $63 million are being similar in the $12 million to $18 million. And incrementally growing every quarter as we continue to lease up some of the projects like 250 where we’re doing leases on prebuilt that are coming in. The Avant every quarter we’re seeing probably 20 additional units being leased by the end of the first quarter that should be fully stabilized. And then at 535 Mission, we’re going to have lease up. And then in the fourth quarter, we’ve 601 Mass coming on line. So obviously that has an impact on our interest expense, because the capitalize interest for that goes off. But out of the quarter it’s going to paying on their 380,000 square foot lease starting in the fourth quarter. So you’ll see that come into development site.

Brad Burke

Analyst · Goldman Sachs.

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from Steve Sakwa with Evercore ISI.

Steve Sakwa

Analyst · Evercore ISI.

Thanks. Good morning. I guess two questions. One, I can appreciate the decline in interest rates is probably push-down return expectations for many sovereign wealth funds. I'm just wondering, has the strength of the dollar perhaps impacted just the actual demand that you are seeing? Or is it too early to maybe have an impact on the sales market?

Owen Thomas

Analyst · Evercore ISI.

Steve, I think it’s a good question and I would say, so far we haven’t seen the impact, not to suggest if this continue that we won’t see some impact. If anything I would say, the strengthening dollar has confirm that U.S. has an interesting areas of investment, because it’s added to the return for the investments that have already been made here by offshore investors. But I don’t see yet as an impact on capital flow.

Michael LaBelle

Analyst · Evercore ISI.

And just the other component of the capital flow as well as that – and it shouldn’t be discounted. It seems like the Canadians have continue to ramp up their interest in U.S. real estate. So we’ve seen CPP and Oxford and now SPQU all make pretty significant investments in fourth quarter or commitments in the fourth quarter to purchase high quality, well located Manhattan Inn and other CBD market real estate. And so the flow of funds from either Asia or Europe or the Middle East or Canada or the domestic pension fund market which is also has found its desire to expand its allocate, and the real estate doesn’t deal like it is flow down whether oil prices were $80 or $90 or $45 or $50 and when the Euro is was at $1.30 or $1.12.

Owen Thomas

Analyst · Evercore ISI.

The other aspect too is okay, you’re right, the dollars appreciated, but what’s your expectation for what is going to do from here. Everywhere else around the world as we talked about our going down, yet there is certainly a lot of discussion in the U.S. about when rates are going to be increase. So the positive expectation for the future dollar appreciation is also affect, I’m sure it’s being looked at.

Steve Sakwa

Analyst · Evercore ISI.

Okay. And I guess secondly, as it relates to development, I mean, I know that over the 40-plus years Mort's been building, you guys have generally had a relatively conservative stance towards development business. And Mort was able to navigate the waters in the kind of late 1980's, early 1990's. As we kind of move later into the cycle, are you guys thinking about development any differently? Or has the conservative stance you've always taken just something you could continue to do, or do you make any changes over the next couple of years?

Owen Thomas

Analyst · Evercore ISI.

I would say Steve that our pension for having strong pre-leasing commitments prior to commencing construction has really been a pretty consistent fanatic way of approaching development. And while it is true that in San Francisco we started 300,000 square foot building on spec, aside from that there really hasn’t been any other development of significance has been done without major pre-leasing effort. We continue to believe that we are pricing our development properties at a level that is a great in value for the tenants that are our customers. And we’re feeling pretty good above where we are from a business cycle perspective in those markets where we’re building new buildings and where those particular locations are. But we clearly – it’s been now six or seven years since we obviously had a “recessions” at least from statistical perspective. So we’re cognizant of what’s going on across the market and we’re also cognizant and as everyone here has described where our overall leasing efforts are on the developments that we’ve commenced. And there is a strong focus on making sure that those things get leased before we put ourselves in a position where we’re adding additional exposure to the portfolio.

Michael LaBelle

Analyst · Evercore ISI.

And I would add to that Steve if you – it’s certainly not going to always be the case and we do have landholdings in the company. But lot of what we’ve been doing lately our joint ventures with landholders, the transaction that we did talked about in San Francisco involves an option to purchase lands, that we’re also not employing at least in the some of deals, capital to purchase lands, at least upfront.

Steve Sakwa

Analyst · Evercore ISI.

Okay. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Richard Anderson with Mizuho Securities.

Richard Anderson

Analyst · Mizuho Securities.

Market in New York driven by the Princeton activity, what would say a normalized kind of mark-to-market would be when you look at your New York City, Manhattan portfolio today?

Owen Thomas

Analyst · Mizuho Securities.

And this is a first part of your question, but I think I’ve answered this question in past quarters and I don’t the answer is changed, which is it is highly dependent on the building. So as we look at the portfolio, the largest exposure we have from a positive mark-to-market is at 76 [ph] Fifth Avenue, the General Motors building, where we had and we talked about this when we purchased the building back in 2008 where we had close to a 1 million square feet of that, almost 2 million square foot building that was let it at rents in the mid to low 80s. And so, there’s enormous mark-to-market that dwarves everything else. The deals that we’ve been doing at 601 Lexington Avenue under margin have been a positive mark-to-market, not a significant one. As 599 has been a negative mark-to-market on the transaction we’ve done recently with these law firms because most of those yields were done in that 2005, 2006 time frame when market had been exposed to a pretty significant spike. And then everything that we’ve done in, a smaller building 510 Madison, 540 Madison and he pre-builts and the other deals that we’ve done in 250, at this point today, very positive mark-to-market.

Richard Anderson

Analyst · Mizuho Securities.

Okay.

Owen Thomas

Analyst · Mizuho Securities.

Not a 20% but – so if we did a deal in 2011 at $95 a square foot at 510 Madison Avenue that business probably $150 a square foot today, that kind of mark-to-market, but we’re not going to see that for while.

Richard Anderson

Analyst · Mizuho Securities.

Okay. Regarding the resident sale, understand you guys are thinking for 2015 that your dispositions will be primarily driven by non-core type of assets to make up the 750 for this year. Is residence a non-core asset to you because its non-office or was that just the price you just couldn’t refuse?

Douglas Linde

Analyst · Mizuho Securities.

Yes. So the categories for the sales are as you suggest non-core, there are also assets where we think it’s an interesting price. The Avant is a new asset. It’s in a great location. It is residential but I wouldn’t necessarily say we considered non-core for that reason. The issue is we got or the attractiveness to shareholders as we received the 4.1% cap rate on a Class A asset that’s on a 54 year remaining ground lease and we thought that was attractive.

Richard Anderson

Analyst · Mizuho Securities.

And what about….

Douglas Linde

Analyst · Mizuho Securities.

And I also just before you go on – I just say this, the following about our residential business. So we are a developer. We are not an owner manager in the residential world. We don’t have the portfolio size to be great at operating residential. We don’t have the portfolio size to be creating a business that strategic from the perspective of, well, there’s a need to have a certain massive units to sort of maintain an operating platform. So we look at the residential business as a way to utilize our development prowess to create a lot of value. In infill locations, in our market. And so to the extent that we don’t deemed there to be strong overall growth in those assets, overall foreseeable point in the future and someone, as Owen said, offers us a terrific price, we’re going to sell those buildings. So it’s very different than the way we think about our Midtown Manhattan office or our Back Bay officer portfolio or Reston, Virginia office portfolio which have a lot of continuity and operating leverage about them that creates them to be “strategic” as oppose “non-core”.

Richard Anderson

Analyst · Mizuho Securities.

Is Princeton long term non-core?

Douglas Linde

Analyst · Mizuho Securities.

Princeton is a terrific portfolio that is well run now by our New York City region. It’s no longer a region in itself which made a lot of sense and created some synergies from an operating expense perspective which has you’re seeing the flowing through our G&A to some degrees. And as long as we continue to believe that this Princeton market will continue to expand from a user perspective and we are seeing marginal to positive rental rate growth and we still have the ability to develop buildings which allow us to create assets that are yielding significantly higher than what we could sell assets for to some third-party, we’re continue to look at as a important portion of the company’s portfolio.

Owen Thomas

Analyst · Mizuho Securities.

And they also I think Princeton, you have to differentiate between Carnegie Center and Tower Center which are different assets and as Doug suggested we’re seeing positive leasing momentum at Carnegie Center, we were investing in the buildings. We started to build-to-suite and we have options on additional development land.

Richard Anderson

Analyst · Mizuho Securities.

Last question at Salesforce you mentioned conversations going on? Are any of those conversations with Salesforce to take on more space?

Douglas Linde

Analyst · Mizuho Securities.

We’re not going to comment on any particular conversation with any particular tenant, it’s not appropriate.

Richard Anderson

Analyst · Mizuho Securities.

Okay. We got it. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from Alexander Goldfarb with Sandler O'Neill.

Alexander Goldfarb

Analyst

Good morning. Two questions. The first one, Doug, you sort of opened the door on the worst-kept secret in New York. So, if there is any color that you can provide at this point on the Naval Yards. And in the Forbes article, it mentioned a partnership with We work in San Francisco and maybe Boston. If you could just provide a little bit more color on that?

Douglas Linde

Analyst

So Alex, unfortunately, we’re not – like I said, we’re not in a position of talking about what we’re doing in the outer boroughs of New York, so we can’t comment on what other peoples have written. But we hope that we’ll be able to announce something sooner rather than later. We did a release. We were in straight lease with work in San Francisco at [indiscernible] condition. And at this point that’s the only transaction that we currently have in our portfolio with that organization.

Alexander Goldfarb

Analyst

Okay. And then the second question is, going again to the declining – sorry, to the strengthening dollar, declining foreign currency. Does where the dollar has gone versus the pound, does it make you guys possibly want to reconsider looking at London or you've firmly sworn off that market and are only looking domestically?

Owen Thomas

Analyst

Alex I don’t think the dollar pound moments are driving any thinking we’re having about investing in London.

Alexander Goldfarb

Analyst

Okay. So you’re only looking domestically, you’re not – you put London off, it’s not in the strategic view anymore?

Owen Thomas

Analyst

That’s not what I said. I said we’re not making investment decisions in London or elsewhere based on currency fluctuations.

Alexander Goldfarb

Analyst

Okay. I appreciate that clarification, Owen. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Brendan Maiorana with Wells Fargo.

Brendan Maiorana

Analyst · Wells Fargo.

Thanks. Good morning. Mike LaBelle, I apologize because I'm splitting hairs here, but you mentioned average occupancy for the year at 91%. I think last quarter you said 91% to 92%. So I'm not sure if that's actually a change or just 91% is still within the range. And I think you previously expected to end – have a year-end occupancy around 93%. Does that projection still hold?

Michael LaBelle

Analyst · Wells Fargo.

I think we have – we did bring it down a little bit. We did say, 91% and 92% last quarter. We still hope to increase our occupancy getting to the 93%, I think will be pretty thought to be honest with you based upon where we’re think we’re going to be in the first quarter, and the fact there are lot of space that we’re getting back in Boston which is again the majority of this, its highly marketable but it’s going to take a little bit of a time to lease and its going to take – somebody is going to have to build that space. So, we do not anticipate that, that space is going to be occupied in 2015, it’s going to be 2016 and later. So I would agree that we brought it down a little bit and we think it’s going to average around 91%. It should end above 91%.

Brendan Maiorana

Analyst · Wells Fargo.

Okay. That’s helpful. And then Doug you mentioned in Boston, you mentioned at the base of Hancock good activity there. I think you also have 200,000 or 300,000 square feet at the Tower that Mike alluded leasing there. Can you just shed some color on how conversations with perspective tenants are going for the top of the building?

Douglas Linde

Analyst · Wells Fargo.

It’s some of the best place in Boston we are as we know we like the sort of commonly say baking the cake before we try and serve it at the base of the building with our new rebranding and our new identification of 120 Clarendon Street sort of that new address for those larger floors at the base of the building and we continue to sent proposals on that base at a pretty significant pace. I think the space at the top of the building, right now it’s a little bit challenging to have conservations because this space is currently occupied by tenant that’s going to moving to the low rise, and when you tour the space its fully occupied with an installation that was build 10 years. It’s not what somebody sort of things about when they want to be in the kind of space that the Hancock will offer you. And so it’s a little bit of a challenge but we also try and bring people to the floor to bottom below them which are just fantastic. But back to the market for that space will be slower than we think the market will be for the space at the base of the buildings that have an attractive value that the place has with the market.

Brendan Maiorana

Analyst · Wells Fargo.

Yes I think you guys is it April when they moved down, so kind of your expectations on leasing that, do you think it’s maybe a 12 month process to get that leased not a tenant in the space, but just kind of leased?

Owen Thomas

Analyst · Wells Fargo.

I hope we are leasing people who aren’t listening because we had with them or the lease environment where our projections are at different ends. Our view is that the space is going to get leased really, really quickly; our revenue recognition is going to be a different story. So our view is that we’re going to have really good strong leasing on the space in calendar year 2015, some of those leases may have started for 2016 or later just because of the realities of when these expirations occur in the market place. We just don’t know if we’re going to – if we do the space on our [Indiscernible] leasing will probably be a little bit slower but the revenue recognition will be quicker and if we do a larger block of space that revenue recognition will probably be a little bit slower but the leasing and will be quicker.

Brendan Maiorana

Analyst · Wells Fargo.

Sure, okay thanks for the time.

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from Vance Edelson with Morgan Stanley

Vance Edelson

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

Good morning. First back on 425 Fourth Street regardless of entitlement timing which your provided some color on, how good do you feel about the process itself and the Prop M allocation if you had to rate it somewhere between a slam dunk and very challenging?

Owen Thomas

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

Bob, you want to take that one....

Robert Pester

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

Yes there is a queue of 10 million square feet of space to seek in Prop M allocation. I mean this is a fantastic site; it’s a great location the city is going to look to the transportation quarter or in the benefits of being on the transportation corridor. But it’s going to take some time I mean this is not something that’s going to happen very quickly, it’s going to take several years to get approved.

Vance Edelson

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

Okay it makes sense. And then related to that can you share with us anything or on the potential magnitude of the project what it would be if you got all your wishes that you have put for us on the entitlement, could you ballpark the potential investment?

Robert Pester

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

It will be approximately 7… go ahead Doug.

Douglas Linde

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

Yes we’re really – I mean basically we don’t like to get in front of the jurisdictions that we’re dealing with, so the current Central [Indiscernible] plan allows for around 750,000 square feet of space, residential office and retail, where at this point is unclear what the right plan should be for the property vis-à-vis is what we think where the market wants the space to be designed and what the city would like to see happen there. And those two conversations that are going to take place over the next “months and years”. Big picture, construction cost for new development in San Francisco are probably including land the whole on the armadillo are well in excess of $800 a square foot.

Vance Edelson

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

Okay thanks for that. And then shifting gears could you comment on how important New York Street level retail is going to be for Boston properties going forward, is rental growth there something you are optimistic about and therefore is that a presence you’d like to perhaps grow overtime?

Owen Thomas

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

I think we’ve had this topic of conversation before and I want to make sure I’m consistent with what I have said before. We have a terrific portfolio of retail space with high opportunities for value creation in our existing buildings in Midtown Manhattan namely at General Motors building and at 601 Lexington Avenue and potentially at 399. That’s where the focus of our investment is going to be, so if the question was sort of way to say are we going to be doing what Renado and SL Green and others have done in terms of going after Street we feel Condominium interest in and around the City of New York, I think the answer is at this point we’re busy doing our own portfolio and looking for larger scale opportunities to put development dollars to work.

Vance Edelson

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

Okay. And yes, you did get the just of the question. And then lastly on G&A it sounds like you have a pretty good forecast and process, what are the main variables that could push it to the high or low end of the new guidance range which is understandably fairly healthy at this point in the year, and do you think there is any chance you could exceed or come in below the range?

Owen Thomas

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

I think that one of the wildcards in that is that always capitalized wages, and given our development pipeline I think we view that our development team and construction and leasing teams are going to be very, very busy doing transactions. So we have estimated that they are going to be and that’s going to benefit that G&A. I think we are comfortable with the range that we have provided certainly, so I would be very surprised if you see something outside of that range. And the other tricky piece of this is that our – if we do a joint venture we don’t necessarily have the ability to recognize that capitalize wage expense. So if some of these properties turn out to be JVs versus wholly owned assets that they can skew the numbers not insignificantly by hundreds of thousands of millions of dollars on any one project in the year.

Vance Edelson

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

Okay. I’ll leave it there, thanks very much.

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from Ian Wiseman with Credit Suisse.

Ian Wiseman

Analyst · Credit Suisse.

Good morning. Just two questions, first on Salesforce Tower where would you guys expect to end the year with additional leasing in 2015?

Owen Thomas

Analyst · Credit Suisse.

Ian, I would say that we expect to end the year not to similar to where we are today unless a large non-traditional lease expiration driven transaction occurs. So our view is that as we get to the end of 2015 that’s when we are going to be in the heart of the procurement of leasing conversations with existing lease expirations here with tenants, but that doesn’t mean we won’t have another other type of transactions from a user who is looking for big block of space and says, -- there aren’t any big block of space so we are tantalized by the opportunity to be in Salesforce Tower and we engage in a conversation with them early on that. So that could happen, but it’s not really part of our expectations. In the first quarter of 2016 we would hope that we will have some additional leases done.

Ian Wiseman

Analyst · Credit Suisse.

Got you. And just one last question, just as I think about potential refinancing down the road you’ve got about $2.7 billion of debt on three buildings maturing I think in as I said 2017 at a 5.7% [ph] rate the ten years below 17% today. How should we think about sort of fast tracking some of that refinancing early on and how much capital you think you can pull out of those buildings?

Owen Thomas

Analyst · Credit Suisse.

Well I think that as I mentioned on my notes, this is something we are clearly evaluating. I mean one of the things we are watching is what’s going to happen to the 10-year over the next three months, six months, nine months, and we are watching it very closely because we clearly have the opportunity to try to do a financing early. Now there is a significant prepayment penalty associated with repaying this debt early. And if you were to do the analysis some of these debts in 2017 if you did it early your breakeven point is 75 basis points to 125 basis points on the 10-year from now until mid 2017. And if you look at the forward curve it’s telling you it’s going to be 50 or 70 basis points higher than that. So it’s hard to make the decision at this moment in time to go and do that – pay that kind of prepayment penalty, however I think as we need to focus on, think about how we can hedge that risk. So you – thinking about interest rate hedges and as we get closer and our view of interest rates may change you may see us in 2015 take some of that financing off the table and do something early.

Ian Wiseman

Analyst · Credit Suisse.

Ex the prepayment penalty, just where do you think you can get financing for those buildings today?

Owen Thomas

Analyst · Credit Suisse.

In terms of size?

Ian Wiseman

Analyst · Credit Suisse.

Well just rate.

Owen Thomas

Analyst · Credit Suisse.

Well we do a ten year bond today at three and eight three and a quarter something like that. Mortgage is not that dissimilar maybe it’s 3.5%, maybe a little bit higher some of the Life Insurance companies are trying to hang on the floor rates, so some of those floors are in the mid high threes and once you start getting them competing I think that sometimes that goes away and then the CMBS market is also a very effective financing source right now. So on the mortgage side because with 5 million in Lex, which is expiring and one of those explorations in GM building, both of those are probably going to be secured mortgages, ones JVs and one had a lot of mortgage tax to be paid that has time [ph] so we would look at that life company or the CMBS market which again is probably in the mid three somewhere. That’s a significant savings from the weighted average coupon of 5.8% today. The reason I gave 5.8% is we also have a more use on [Indiscernible] that is coming due in 2016 that we should be able to improve the rate on that as well.

Ian Wiseman

Analyst · Credit Suisse.

Got you. Thank you very much.

Owen Thomas

Analyst · Credit Suisse.

Yes.

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from Vincent Chao with Deutsche Bank

Vincent Chao

Analyst · Deutsche Bank

Hey good morning everyone. Just a final question, I hope, on sort of capital flows and whatnot. Given the comments about foreign buying demand, at least not seeing any change in it today, and also your comments about cap rates continuing to -- or potentially continuing to compress on the back of the 10-year, has that caused any material shift in those types of buyer's appetite for assets beyond just the core gateways? And then maybe a corollary to that, the acquisition market has been tough for you guys for a long time. Have any other markets outside of your current core become more interesting to you recently?

Owen Thomas

Analyst · Deutsche Bank

So the first question is given that how cap rates are coming down, our sovereign wealth funds or offshore buyers looking at non-core markets are taking more risk. My view of that is I don’t think I think the perimeter is probably staying pretty much the same. I think core gateway cities is still a primary focus for offshore investors. That being said I do there is a little bit of a trend for some of these groups to go up the risk curve. So I think you are seeing here particularly in New York there have been a number of Chinese investors who have gotten involved in development projects. So I think if there is a I don’t think it’s a change but I think if there is somewhat of a trend as you might see more offshore buyers moving up the risk spectrum in their real estate investing in core markets. And then on your second question is, does the aggressive pricing in our core markets today lead us to look at transactions or acquisitions outside of the core markets? As we have mentioned in the past there are a small handful of other cities and areas that are interesting to us because they have certainly they have a strong creative tendency which is driving a lot of growth in the office business today and also these market demonstrate value creation for real estate and office in particular over a long period of time. So we are consistently and constantly looking at that type of thing, but the issue is the pricing that we described in our core market isn’t substantially different in these new markets I mean the offshore investors are also very active in a number of these places. So I don’t think we would do that because pricing is really substantially different.

Vincent Chao

Analyst · Deutsche Bank

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And our final question comes from Ross Nussbaum with UBS.

Ross Nussbaum

Analyst

Douglas Linde

Analyst

This is Doug. I think the stated operating philosophy that we have had since the great financial distress of 2008 was that we should make sure that our dividend is appropriately sized vis-à-vis the taxable income. And that to the extent that our taxable income should be going up, we would be increasing our ordinary dividend. And one of the things that happen when you sell what was the number Mike?

Michael Walsh

Analyst

$73 billion.

Douglas Linde

Analyst

$0.72 a share of earnings on your taxable income doesn’t go up as large as much as it might. So it gives push into a return of capital based upon the gains on sale, which I guess are we consider to be a very good thing. So it’s retarded the overall growth in our taxable income and to the extent that that is no longer part of our operating strategy from a capital recycling perspective the dividend is going to go up. Overtime if you look back, Mike what is it ten years? The average dividend yield for the company has been I think over 4%. So relative to where other dividends are and certainly in our space we think we have a pretty healthy dividend, it just comes in a little bit of bulkier manner as opposed to a constant recurring dividend yield that’s been paid out on a quarterly basis.

Ross Nussbaum

Analyst

And as you pointed out…

Douglas Linde

Analyst

Yes and I think we’ve had special dividends in like five of the last ten years. So if you look at that together with the regular dividend than our dividend yield is significantly higher than otherwise.

Ross Nussbaum

Analyst

Yes and that all makes perfect sense. And if I had been a shareholder for the bulk of that period certainly I would have been rewarded for it, but I am thinking in terms of if I may potential shareholder looking at buying the stock can I rely on getting those special dividends kind of every other year, every three years or what I like to have little bit more security or higher recurring dividend or a better balance between those two in the future.

Douglas Linde

Analyst

If we don’t sell you will have a higher dividend because the earnings will be significantly higher, but if we continue to sell you will continue to get dividend in the form of a return of capital or gain on sell.

Michael LaBelle

Analyst

And as the cash flow comes in on your developments, the $2.1 billion that is going to be delivering between 2015 and 2018 I mean that goes right into our taxable income as those cash flows come in, so that will be its nature increase our taxable income and require an increase in our dividend overtime. I mean such if during that period of time we think that sales are the right strategy, then we might have specials.

Ross Nussbaum

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

At this time, I would like to turn the call back over to management for any additional remarks.

Owen Thomas

Analyst

Okay. Well that concludes our remarks and Q&A as hopefully we were able to demonstrate, we’ve made terrific progress executing our business, we increased our guidance for the year despite announcing a significant asset sale and we thank you all for your attention.

Operator

Operator

And this concludes today's Boston Properties conference call. Thank you, again, for attending, and have a good day.