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Baozun Inc. (BZUN)

Q2 2017 Earnings Call· Tue, Aug 22, 2017

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Operator

Operator

Good day, and welcome to the Baozun Inc. Second Quarter 2017 Earnings Conference Call. Today's conference is being recorded. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Ms. Caroline Dong, Investor Relations Officer. Please go ahead, ma'am.

Caroline Dong

Management

Thank you, operator, and hello, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. Baozun's earnings release was distributed earlier today and is available on our IR website at ir.baozun.com as well as on Global Newswire services. On the call today from Baozun are Mr. Vincent Qiu, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer; and Mr. Beck Chen, Chief Financial Officer. Mr. Qiu will review business operations and company highlights, followed by Mr. Chen, who will discuss financials and guidance. They will be available to answer your questions during the Q&A session that follows. Before we begin, I'd like to remind you that this conference call contains forward-looking statements within the meaning of Section 21E of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, as amended, and as defined in the U.S. Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These forward-looking statements can be identified by terminologies such as will, expects, anticipates, future, intends, plans, beliefs, estimates, targets, going forward, outlook and similar statements. Such statements are based upon management's current expectations and current market and operating conditions and relate to events that involve known or unknown risks, uncertainties and other factors, all of which are difficult to predict and many of which are beyond the company's control which may cause the company's current results -- actual results, performance or achievements to differ materially from those in the forward-looking statements. Further information regarding these and other risks, uncertainties or factors is included in the company's filings with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission. The company does not undertake any obligation to update any forward-looking statement as a result of new information, future events or otherwise, except as required under applicable law. It's now my pleasure to introduce our Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Mr. Vincent Qiu. Mr. Qiu, please go ahead.

Vincent Qiu

Management

Thank you, Caroline, and thanks, everyone, for joining our earnings call today. Total GMV increased by 64% year-over-year to RMB3.6 billion during the second quarter. Growth continues to be mainly driven by increases in sales from our existing online stores and the further optimization of our business model mix towards a non-distribution model. In the annual Chairman's letter released in April 2017, we've outlined the essential role technology plays in our strategy and the prospects for the coming years. Technology is the key to our success and rapid expansion of our business and increase the significant barrier to entry, scale our business and increase our immense competitive advantage. Since our founding, we have directed our focus towards anticipating and preparing for the future needs of our brand partners. We are investing heavily in our long-term competitive advantage by strengthening our proprietary technology infrastructure. Our corporate philosophy, which originally consisted of home brands to consumers, has now been updated to brand consumers and technologies. As the industry leader, this shift forms part of our drive to shape the market and to meet demand from more brands and merchants seeking personal e-commerce solutions and technologies in order to take advantage of the omnichannel shift that is taking place in the newly retailer Europe and China. To further strengthen our leadership position and expand the scale of our technological services and generate greater value for shareholders, we established an innovation center during the quarter, which will focus on enhancing our IT capabilities and help us shift the market by developing and standardizing new services such as cloud based operating platforms, big data analysis tools or brand ecommerce and the implementation of AI in brand ecommerce overtime in order to serve a wider variety of the brands with a broader array of services. We…

Beck Chen

Management

Thank you, Vincent. We are proud of our results this quarter, especially the strong performance from brands and our nondistribution model. We believe expanding our nondistribution model will greatly benefit our brand partners in Baozun. To further optimize our business model mix in transitioning more brands towards our nondistribution model, we finally concluded a discussion with a leading global electronics brand partner, who is also our largest brand partner in the distribution model, to transitioning its business from the distribution model towards the nondistribution model. Under the distribution model, we recognize revenue on gross basis as product sales revenues because we take ownership of the inventory. Under the consignment model, we only recognize revenue on net basis as services to revenue. The transition process for this electronics brand is expected to start in September this year, so our product sales revenue mix here is flat or negative year-over-year growth during the period stretching from the third quarter of 2017 to the third quarter of 2018. But our cost of products will also decrease accordingly and services revenue will continue growing fast during the same period. Therefore, at the end of the day, the transaction will enhance our gross margin while mitigating inventory risks. To provide more color on the scale of this shift, we expect this electronic brand business to contribute RMB850 million in total to our product sales revenue during the period stretching from the fourth quarter 2016 to the third quarter of 2017. This figure takes into account previous three quarters number and includes our latest forecast for the third quarter of 2017. And we believe this is a major milestone in our strategy and reflects our strong belief in transitioning our venues towards the more asset-light, lower-risk and higher-margin distribution business model. And we are confident that…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] And our first question will come from Eileen Deng of Deutsche Bank.

Eileen Deng

Analyst

First, congratulations on the strong result. My first question is regarding the third quarter guidance on service revenue. We see that it's 50% plus year-on-year growth. So I wonder what kind of non-distribution GMV growth behind that. And could management also talk about this non-distribution GMV growth for the second half of this year? And the second question is regarding the brand update. What kind of new brands have we added this quarter and any brands have we lost? And can management also talk about the brands decline in the second half of this year, maybe next year as well?

Vincent Qiu

Management

Eileen, so can you repeat the question? It seems that it's not so clear on our side.

Eileen Deng

Analyst

The first question is third quarter guidance on service revenue. What is the non-distribution GMV growth behind this? And also, could management comment on second half of this non-distribution GMV growth? Second question is, any brand update this quarter? Any new brands we added? What are the new brands have we added and any brands have we lost? And also the top line of the brands in the second half of this year and also next year.

Vincent Qiu

Management

Okay. So now I get it. So thank you for the question, Eileen. So for the first question, in terms of second half or third quarter non-distribution -- I mean, maybe asked non-distribution GMV growth expectation, we expect just like, I think, like last earnings call, we expect non-distribution model GMV will grow about 80% for the third quarter. And in terms of the new brand addition and pipeline, during this call, the newly added brands are mainly in the apparel category, and it's under our non-distribution model. So we are developing the non-distribution model and we put a lot of effort into expanding categories like fashion and apparel brands. So we value quality over quantity, like we said in the last time. And also, in terms of the pipeline, still apparel, sportswear, and also like what we call FMCG and mother and baby products line It's our mainly focus for the second half of this year and for next year as well.

Operator

Operator

And our next question will come from Monica Chen of Crédit Suisse.

Monica Chen

Analyst

I have two questions. First question is regarding our same-store sales growth for this quarter. Can management share any color for the same-store growth? And also what's the same-store growth by category? Also, we heard from one of our major e-commerce partner, they reported 49% year-over-year in their major online marketplace platform and also like 50% in home appliance and 57% year-over-year growth in FMCG. So comparing with our brand, so do we see also a similar growth trend? And which category do we see the fastest growth for this quarter? And then I have a follow-up.

Vincent Qiu

Management

Okay. So thank you for the question, Monica. In terms of the asset growth in Q2, our asset growth rate was 50% for the existing store of last year. And in terms of the growth rate of Q2, we are very satisfied with the overall growth results and the potential from the marketplaces. So in terms of the category, not only like those traditional strong categories of Baozun like electronics and -- I mean, and apparel products. Even like very established categories like appliances, we have seen a very strong growth, not only in GMV but also in margin as well. So we do believe, right now, as long as e-commerce is an essential part of the Chinese people here, so more and more people are very used to buying online, and more and more people are used to buying from those, established and global brand partners. So this is very good signal for us as well.

Monica Chen

Analyst

My second question is actually related to our technology investment. So we mentioned in this earnings press, we established innovation center during this quarter and we will continue to invest heavily in the area. So I want to understand, what is our budget for the technology investment for this year? And which kind of technology is our focus? So is that more towards digital marketing capability or like more a new technology to improve the procurement efficiency? I'll appreciate any color at it by the management.

Vincent Qiu

Management

Yes. As we mentioned, we established the innovation center this quarter, and we start to form out the team, including several of very good talents who have already joined us. The technology direction for the innovation center is quite clear. It is about to deliver a cutting-edge technology to serve today's modern retail era as long as the physical space is -- continuously turns to digital one, and everything, not only the front end facing the customer but also the back-end supply chain and also digital marketing, all this kind of services has been changed in the market. So we need a whole bundle of new technology to make that more efficient, more visible to other brands. So in technology, we are going to research and utilize. We will be quite focused on big data, SaaS and cloud-based computing also data mining and analysis, this kind of thing technologies. So yes, we -- our team is now very focusing on deliver things one by one, but it's our way to enable a better technical competency in the whole business.

Operator

Operator

And our next question will come from Binnie Wong of Merrill Lynch.

Binnie Wong

Analyst

Thank you Vincent and Beck for taking my questions, so I have two questions here. First is on the SaaS offering in September launch that we talked about later on in the year and also in Vincent's opening remarks and in press release about the establishing an innovation center to enhance our IT capabilities and technology services. So can you give us more color on that, on -- also on the software update? What type of customers are we going to be going after? And also, how do we expect that would be comparing to our existing business model in terms of like take rate or revenue contribution, the type of customers? That will be very helpful. And then my second question is that if we look at the first half of the year, right, GMV is around 62% already. So how should we think of like shimmy down the road on the -- for the rest of the year? And relating to that is that, I think, Beck mentioned that the service revenue will be increased by over 50% on the future outlook, and that's because of the change of one of the electronics brand service model that's reflected in the guidance. So there's a shift in business model. Are those initiated by the brand or is it by Baozun? If that is the case, by Baozun, then how do we convince like existing or any new brands to adopt a nondistribution model, which I think is more preferable, I guess, on our end? How do we do so?

Vincent Qiu

Management

Binnie, so I heard the second question. So can you repeat the first question?

Binnie Wong

Analyst

Sorry. My first question is on the SaaS offering. So -- well, the software launch, basically, we're talking about in the second half. And I guess, how -- like is this -- like the new software launch is, I guess, like a simplified version for brands online strategy. We standardize a lot of these processes, right? So and then, I guess, that is relation to Vincent's opening remark that we talk about the enhancement of our IT capabilities or expanding our scale of IT services. So I just want to have an update on the launches of the software and then also what type of customers are we targeting at. And in terms of the take rate or revenue or GMV contribution that we are thinking about. So I guess update on the stop -- Shopdog rate.

Beck Chen

Management

So let me just rephrase the question. It's -- the first question mainly about the Shopdog, right?

Binnie Wong

Analyst

Right, that's correct.

Beck Chen

Management

Okay. So now I get it. So okay, so let me address the question one by one. So first thing is basically around the Shopdog. So as you may know, Shopdog is our self-developed intelligent application to help brand partners closely integrate online and our brand stores in the self channels. So since this launched before the Double 11 last year, Shopdog has been adopted by more and more brands to execute their O2O strategies. And also, you may know there's right now in the whole e-commerce society of China, everybody is talking about new retail. So one of our largest global sportswear brand partners launched a trial run during the midyear campaign in June, so -- which was very successful test run, so prompting them to initiate a large-scale implementation of our Shopdog for the Double 11 campaign. And in the same time, as you may know, as you have in the news, Baozun Shopdog is already recommended as one of the solutions by Alibaba to all their merchants. And in the same time, we are establishing an omnichannel team, omnichannel center to not only to the -- targeted not only to implement the solution with our existing brands in our portfolio but also to provide the solutions and tools to other broader variety of clients, not only to the national brand but also most Chinese brands who have such kinds of new retail demand. So in the future, we believe Shopdog is more like standardized tools not only to improve, like you said, the take rate of our existing partners. Of course, it's value-added services and solutions to be provided to our existing brands, but also, it's a standardized product and tool, which we can enlarge our client base to provide to more variety of brand. So this…

Binnie Wong

Analyst

Okay, thank you Beck and Vincent, just one follow up on the SaaS launches. So how do you think they will compare to one of the global peers, right, like [Indiscernible] right, in terms of being they actually originated with this type of software? How do you think our SaaS will be comparing to them? And then also, what is the breadth of your model like and what type of brands, right, are we going after for thinking that those type of brands will be using or maybe we will teach them to use our -- the like SaaS platform -- the SaaS that we are launching?

Beck Chen

Management

Okay. So let me take the question. So first base, in the past, we have our own internal generated NEBULA System. So NEBULA System is a highly customized graphic nature to provide and host the ecommerce platform for leading global brands. Usually, they're kind of big brands. So right now, we are developing the SaaS platform which we call the Nebula 5.0 SaaS platform. It's currently going through the final phases of development. The Nebula 5.0 SaaS platform is a great use software framework with functional modules that targets more to medium brands by providing omni-channel solutions for online shopping. So we developed this platform based on over 10 years of experience in serving various kinds of global brands. But by standardizing common features and services needed to establish online stores, it will enable the potential brand partners to geographically and efficiently create off line brand -- official online brand stores to retail stores. So we already have a leading kitchen utensil brand signed up to get Nebula 5.0 cloud SaaS platform a test run by creating their China website in a shorter time during the fourth quarter of 2017. So the advantages of the Nebula SaaS when compared to the others and the previous versions of Nebula, so the first one is easily update so functional modules, which can be rolled out and applied quickly. Second, more standardized features. Third, less time and a lower cost for a broader variety of brand. And I would like to emphasize that, here, it's the brand, it's not merchant. So really, it's is targeted to brands not merchant. That's different.

Operator

Operator

And our next question will come from Nicky Ge of China Renaissance.

Nicky Ge

Analyst

I have two questions here. Number one is our GMV guidance for the full year. Given we have very strong top line in the second half, are we [indiscernible] yearly guidance? And the second question is for our take rate for new brands. How do we compare the take rate trends, especially the take rate for new brands versus the existing brands in the same category?

Beck Chen

Management

Okay. So I thank you for the question, Nicky. So in terms of the GMV guidance for the full year, as you may know, for the first half of the year, our total GMV is growing more than 60% on year-over-year basis, and we expect the GMV growth for the second half of this year will still be over 60% on a year-over-year basis. And in terms of the new brands commercial terms versus existing brands, in a broader way, we achieved better and higher commercial terms in the margins for the same category brands against the existing brands. This is mainly because, right now, Baozun is in a very leading position in the industry. As we have said in the earlier prepared remarks, our market share is growing, and our variety of solutions and services are growing. In some ways, we don't have enough and very close competitors, which makes us to have a better position to improve our commercial terms. That's it.

Operator

Operator

And we will take our next question from Billy Leung of Haitong International.

Billy Leung

Analyst

Vincent, Beck and Caroline, just on our technology investments focus again. Considering that we are focusing on AI big data, are we going to be working with partners such as Alibaba? Or is this investment on technology more an independent development by ourselves? And sorry if I missed the previous question, but will this technology investment have a material impact on our margins going forward?

Vincent Qiu

Management

There are some [indiscernible] talks about now our investment technology will cover the whole process from demand generating all the way to the demand fulfillment. So talking about the help the technology can provide to the margin, I think it's more about more services with certain packages and solutions we will develop based on the fundamentals of the technology platform. So in this case, of course, we can deliver more quality services and solutions to the brand, and in turn -- and in return, we can have better margin upon this kind of services provision. For the procurement part, of course, that is, I think, even bigger potential to work out. Because the whole process to fulfill the e-commerce order and customer demand is complicated, so we -- each of the nodes and process is your sort of big potential to save cost, make a better efficiency and better also the consumer experiences. So this kind of technology data, AI analysis, all this is serving with kind of purpose. For example, AI, we target to calculate the inventories before we work out any of the marketing plans so that we will make the whole phase much more efficient than yesterday. Thank you.

Billy Leung

Analyst

Okay, just a quick follow-up. Does management have any M&A plans in the near future?

Beck Chen

Management

We are open in this market, and if there's any kinds of capable, applicable opportunity, we will look.

Operator

Operator

And we will take our next question from Ryan Roberts of MCM Partners.

Ryan Roberts

Analyst

A couple of quick ones from me. Just, first, can you like give us an overview on how much of a drag Maikefeng was providing on the P&L previously? That's going to give us a sense of how that might shape up again after Q3, because I know that there's you mentioned earlier there's going to be a hit, about RMB10 million or so. Just kind of give us a sense of how that should shape up afterwards. And I have a follow-up after that.

Beck Chen

Management

All right. Are we talking about, Maikefeng, right? So...

Ryan Roberts

Analyst

Yes, yes.

Beck Chen

Management

So -- yes, yes, okay. So like I said, the onetime restructuring cost for MKF is around RMB10 million in Q3. And in terms of the previous number, for example, for Q1 and Q2, each quarter, the impact is like -- MKF is bringing about RMB5 million to RMB7 million on the -- to our operating -- actually it's an operating loss for MKF. So they have negative impact of around RMB5 million to RMB7 million each quarter to our financials.

Ryan Roberts

Analyst

Got you. Okay. And then kind of -- can I stay on the GMV just a bit? Just in terms of the overall effort to shift our distribution to nondistribution, that entire process, can you give us a sense of where we are along that path?

Beck Chen

Management

Ryan, can you repeat the question?

Ryan Roberts

Analyst

Yes. My question is, with the strategy to shift the GMV from distribution to nondistribution, can you kind of give us a sense of where we are in that entire process? You mentioned earlier you have a large electronics firm that your -- that has agreed to shift from distribution to non-distribution. And just kind of where we are, more generally speaking, in this entire plan.

Beck Chen

Management

Okay. So I think, more than one year ago, we started to transfer our business model more towards non-distribution model. It's by two ways. First way, for the new client addition, we are preparing to start from the non-distribution model. So most likely, when those new brands come onboard, they are working with us starting from the non-distribution model. So this is for the new brands. And for the existing, older brands, old brand partners, we evaluate the possibility of transferring the business model in terms of the background, in terms of the business nature, in terms of the brandings in their categories. So we initially discussing with targeted brands. So it's like a ongoing process that's going through lots of discussions. So right now, we have announced that we successfully completed discussion with the largest brand in our distribution model. So to transfer their business model to consignment model. So in this way, we typically expect after the third quarter of 2018, most likely, our major business transaction process is complete.

Operator

Operator

And we will take a question from Wendy Huang of Macquarie.

Wendy Huang

Analyst

I have three quick questions. First, can you give us your progress on the logistics side, i.e., the so-called [Foreign Language], and what's your CapEx budget for this? And second, can you give us update on your revenue related to the Tmall brand center merchants so that we can check on the concentration risk of your business? And third, can you give us update or disclosure on your cash flow or working capital, especially on the operating cash flow and the free cash flow?

Beck Chen

Management

Okay. So the first thing is about the progress in terms of logistics side. So we have said in the previous earnings call that we are preparing to purchase a logistics space in our central warehouse area. So right now, after six months -- it's a six month approval process by the local government. We successfully completed the majority of part. So hopefully, during this quarter, we can officially purchase the land, by us. So this is the first one, and this is only -- I think this is a limited case that we will purchase the land. And by this one, we think our whole operating expenses for this land warehouse can be improved, our operating efficiency can be improved for this land. But still, majority of our logistics space is leased for a long term. So we don't expect we have further large scale investment in the CapEx for logistics' end. For the second question, in terms of Q2, the -- in terms of just -- in terms of the Q2, revenues coming from Tmall platform is growing big. It's growing bigger compared to the same period of last year. And in the same time, we have seen a broad variety of demands and request to set up and establish, build-up the official brand site from the brand partners. So we expect, with those brands onboard and we establish their brand official site based on Nebula system in the second half of this year, our brand -- official brand size then is also growing as well, growing bigger as well. In terms of the third question about the operating cash flow. For Q2, our operating cash flow is positive over RMB60 million. So in the first -- even for the first half of this year, the operating cash flow is positive over RMB5 million versus a negative figure in the same period of last year. Yes, that's it. Thank you, Wendy.

Wendy Huang

Analyst

How about CapEx and free cash flow?

Beck Chen

Management

Like we said, so for the first half, we had some deposit for purchasing the land. So in terms of free cash flow, I think it's breakeven. And in terms of the third quarter, we need to pay like around RMB180 million for purchasing the land. So for the third quarter, it should be negative for the free cash for a while. But in the -- for the whole year base, we think we still have a large chunk to reinvest.

Operator

Operator

And that concludes today's question-and-answer session. I would now like to turn the call back over to Ms. Caroline Dong for any additional or closing remarks.

Caroline Dong

Management

Thank you, operator. In closing, on behalf of the entire Baozun management team, we'd like to thank you for your interest and participation in today's call. If you require any further information or have any interest in visiting us in China, please let me know. And thank you for joining us today. This concludes the call.

Operator

Operator

And ladies and gentlemen, once again, this does conclude today's conference. We thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.